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Ljubljana School versus Zurich School (Re: Buddos Waterloo: Checkpoint McCune)

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Hi,

I even don't remember exactly why I landed
in comp.theory. A yes, because Rossy Boy,
was hooked on SIMD and didn't understand Hack.

But the Hack work, rather belongs to my
Alma Mater Zurich and my personal heros, Gutnecht
and Wirth, who wrote a one pass Modula

compiler during some christmas holidays,
back then when I was student. Not sure
whether the Ljubljana School can do that,

when I read this here:

Finite Algebraic Effects as dicts and such
https://www.philipzucker.com/bdd_term_alg_effects/

I only find gibberish like:
- “Data” is somehow less mysterious to me
   than “computation”.  [..] I don’t even
   know what “computation” really is

- In temporal logic, there is a logic CTL
   which talks about computation trees.

- Algerbaic (LoL) effects is almost a complete
   hackery abuse of the notion of arity
   and that’s neat.

- Then there are 10^10 etc vectors which
   show up if you discretize 3d/4d space. [..]
   or reinforcement learning.

- Etc..

WTF is this guy smoking? I mean he even
doesn't uses math notation, only posts
Python code fragments à go go,

possibly a Python brain damage.

But still less sever than Rossy Boys.

Bye

Ross Finlayson schrieb:
 > Hello, here I'll post some design notes and a panel discussion with some
 > chat-bots about making some sense of the "vector-wide scalar word"
 > and "character machines", on commodity hardware about ubiquitous 
operations.
 >
 >
 > It's considered at least tangentially relevant to comp.lang.c and
 > comp.lang.c++ because for example text is ubiquitous and the targets
 > would be low-level, while the higher-level languages would have a
 > same sort of patternry, and for example that libc and cstdlib are
 > standard, and as with regards to POSIX and Unicode and so on.
 >
 > Please feel free to excuse or ignore, or comment as freely.
 >
 > Thanks for reading.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Now toying around with a model finder,
> for some rewritng problems. Not bad, I
> didn't see that before on my computer:
> 
> ?- time(mccune([e*X=X,X^(-1)*X=e,X*(Y*Z)=(X*Y)*Z, c*d\=d*c], 6, _)).
> % Zeit 166.140 ms, GC 0.000 ms, Lips 18616 k
> true
> 
> ?- mccune([e*X=X,X^(-1)*X=e,X*(Y*Z)=(X*Y)*Z, c*d\=d*c], 6, R).
> R = [d-2, c-1, 5*2-3, 5*5-4, 4*3-2, 3*5-2, 3*2-5, 4*4-5, 2*4-3,
> 2*3-4, 3*4-1, 3*1-4, 5*3-1, 4*1-3, 1*5-3, 1*3-5, 2*1-5, 2*5-1,
> 5*1-2, 4*2-1, 1*4-2, 1*2-4, 5*0-5, 4*0-4, 4*5-0, 5^ -1-4, 5*4-0,
> 4^ -1-5, 3*0-3, 3*3-0, 3^ -1-3, 2*0-2, 2*2-0, 2^ -1-2, 1*0-1,
> 1*1-0, 1^ -1-1, 0^ -1-0, 0*5-5, 0*4-4, 0*3-3, 0*2-2,
> 0*1-1, 0*0-0, e-0]
> 
> But still not as good as Mc Cune, wo reported
> 0.010 seconds , so 10 ms (*). I guess I need to
> explore more heuristics. But will it include
> 
> union find? The payback of union find in such
> search examples is so low. If |D| = n is the
> domain size, then although |D x D| has size n^2,
> 
> the diagonal E_D, namely E_D = { (x,y) | x e D,
> y e D, x = y } has only size n. So the probability
> of a pair in certain problem domains, is around 1/n,
> 
> getting smaller and smaller with larger and larger n.
> 
> Bye
> 
> (*)
> https://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/AR/mace4/July-2005/doc/mace4.pdf
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is a nice example how the young generation
>> doesn't understand systems that were developed
>> 30 years ago:
>>
>> Example 1:
>> No clue that SWI-Prolog does have JIT indexes,
>> which explain mysterious differene between
>> cold and warm run.
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.13600
>>
>> Example 2:
>> No clue that subsumption could make a difference,
>> claims left recursion is fastest, with referene
>> to [TL10] and a bogus node argument.
>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.21291
>>
>> Maybe the Prolog eduction group should organize
>> a summer school about tabling?
>>
>> Sad news: It will not help to keep up with
>> the AI boom. Whats behind the AI boom and
>> computing transitive closures?
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Ok, thats noice:
>>>
>>> "On a GPU cluster, the ratio of high computing
>>> power to communication bandwidth makes scaling
>>> breadth-first search (BFS) on a scale-free
>>> graph extremely challenging."
>>>
>>> Scalable Breadth-First Search on a GPU Cluster
>>> Yuechao Pan, Roger Pearce, John D. Owens
>>> 2018 - Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
>>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03922
>>>
>>> Sniff, still passed the deadline Q1 2026 for
>>> my GigaLIPS Prolog. There were so many other
>>> improvements , more low hanging fruits to cover.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> P.S.: Wanna rent some GPUs?
>>>
>>> Cloud GPU Index
>>> Compare 2,542 GPU prices across 57 cloud providers
>>> https://getdeploying.com/gpus
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Well its called "artificial" intelligence.
>>>> Like "atificial" flowers made from plastic
>>>> try to share the look and feel of natural flowers,
>>>>
>>>> articial intelligence tries to share the
>>>> look and feel of natural intelligence.
>>>> AI is not really genetic engineering of
>>>>
>>>> bioforms, right? However, there is a research
>>>> frontier sometimes called biocomputing or
>>>> synthetic biology AI.
>>>>
>>>> Kunstblumen
>>>> https://www.xxxlutz.ch/kunstblumen-C22C8C1
>>>>
>>>> The convergence of AI and synthetic biology: the looming deluge
>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s44385-025-00021-1
>>>>
>>>> x schrieb:
>>>>> On 3/7/26 03:08, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Resolution of Erd˝os Problem #728
>>>>>> We provide a writeup of a resolution of Erd˝os
>>>>>> Problem #728; this is the first Erd˝os problem
>>>>>> (a problem proposed by Paul Erd˝os which has
>>>>>> been collected in the Erd˝os Problems website [3])
>>>>>> regarded as fully resolved autonomously by an AI
>>>>>> system. The system in question is a combination of
>>>>>> GPT-5.2 Pro by OpenAI and Aristotle by Harmonic,
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess there is something called 'logic' and then
>>>>> there is something called 'semantics'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it matter if words have meaning?  If the
>>>>> answer is no - then of course you can generate
>>>>> the look and feel of meaning through 'AI'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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