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Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect)

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First post2019-09-11 12:05 -0500
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  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 12:05 -0500
    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-11 18:37 +0100
      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 18:32 -0500
        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 01:15 +0100
          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 19:30 -0500
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) temakoutera62@gmail.com - 2019-09-11 17:32 -0700
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 01:38 +0100
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 01:49 +0100
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) George Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu> - 2019-09-14 18:22 -0700
              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 02:32 +0100
              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 21:19 -0500
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 03:29 +0100
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 21:41 -0500
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 04:19 +0100
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 22:46 -0500
                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 13:02 +0100
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 10:26 -0500
                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 00:21 +0100
                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 18:24 -0500
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 02:10 +0100
                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 20:41 -0500
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 03:34 +0100
                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 22:43 -0500
                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 23:12 -0600
                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 09:27 +0100
                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 14:26 +0100
                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 11:53 -0500
                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 03:55 +0100
                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 22:19 -0500
                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 21:23 -0600
                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 22:31 -0500
                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 22:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 23:21 -0500
                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 22:40 -0600
                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 00:27 -0500
                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 23:55 -0600
                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 00:59 -0500
                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 00:12 -0600
                                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 10:15 -0500
                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 09:35 -0600
                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 11:00 -0500
                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 10:14 -0600
                                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 11:26 -0500
                                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 10:42 -0600
                                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 13:10 -0500
                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 12:36 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 13:49 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 12:59 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 14:12 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 20:25 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 13:30 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 14:45 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 14:14 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 14:38 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 15:56 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 20:38 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 22:03 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 21:33 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 16:35 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 10:35 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 16:46 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 11:42 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 17:58 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 12:43 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 19:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 19:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 18:16 +0100
                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 18:12 +0100
                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 10:24 -0500
                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (NO GAPS) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 16:39 +0100
                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 18:05 +0100
                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Exfalso Quodlibet <exflaso.quodlibet@gmail.com> - 2019-09-17 20:41 -0700
                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 05:15 +0100
                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 23:32 -0500
                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 23:21 -0600
                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 18:42 +0100
                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 12:58 -0500
                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 19:05 +0100
                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-19 01:42 +0100
                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 20:46 -0500
                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 02:52 +0100
                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-19 22:24 +0100
                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 17:13 -0500
                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-20 01:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 19:49 -0500
                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-20 02:34 +0100
                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 20:54 -0500
                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-20 03:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-20 14:16 +0100
                                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-20 17:49 +0100
                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-20 07:16 -0500
                                                                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-20 21:37 +0100
                                                                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-20 15:53 -0500
                                                                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-21 00:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-21 09:45 -0500
                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-21 17:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2019-09-21 14:39 -0400
                                                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-22 13:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-23 19:50 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-24 02:27 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-24 15:22 -0500
                                                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-21 15:22 -0500
                                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (CONCISE RESTATEMENT) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 18:02 +0100
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 09:10 +0100
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 09:06 +0100
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:54 -0600
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 12:06 +0100
        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-12 01:42 +0100
          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 20:03 -0500
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 20:59 -0500
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-12 04:07 +0100
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 22:16 -0500
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-12 04:20 +0100
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-11 22:22 -0500
                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-12 16:33 +0100
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-12 11:14 -0500
                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-13 02:00 +0100
                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Deceptive Strawman by Ben peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-12 21:39 -0500
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Deceptive Strawman by Ben Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 16:38 +0100
                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Deceptive Strawman by Ben peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:48 -0500
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Deceptive Strawman by Ben Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 17:54 +0100
                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 00:51 -0500
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-14 17:23 +0100
                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 13:09 -0500
                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 19:28 +0100
                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 19:33 +0100
                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 14:27 -0500
                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 20:30 +0100
                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 14:41 -0500
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Exfalso Quodlibet <exflaso.quodlibet@gmail.com> - 2019-09-14 13:02 -0700
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-14 14:08 -0600
                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 21:18 +0100
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-14 14:25 -0600
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 16:03 -0500
                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:19 +0100
                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 15:45 -0500
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 21:55 +0100
                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 16:06 -0500
                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:20 +0100
                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 00:54 +0100
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Exfalso Quodlibet <exflaso.quodlibet@gmail.com> - 2019-09-14 14:07 -0700
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 21:14 +0100
                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 16:01 -0500
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:17 +0100
                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 00:47 +0100
                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 19:24 -0500
                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 02:20 +0100
                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 02:43 +0100
                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 21:33 -0500
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 04:09 +0100
                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 22:40 -0500
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:40 -0600
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 12:05 +0100
                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 12:33 +0100
                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 10:17 -0500
                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 09:26 -0600
                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 10:36 -0500
                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:50 +0100
                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:55 +0100
                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 10:06 -0600
                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 11:22 -0500
                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 10:38 -0600
                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 11:59 -0500
                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 11:10 -0600
                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 13:27 -0500
                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 12:34 -0600
                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 14:19 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 20:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 13:35 -0600
                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 14:51 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 21:02 +0100
                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 14:15 -0600
                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 16:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:00 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-16 15:29 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 18:14 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2019-09-16 23:34 -0600
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 08:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 14:25 -0600
                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 16:21 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:01 -0600
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 08:21 +0100
                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-16 15:46 -0700
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 18:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Me <invalid@invalid.de> - 2019-09-17 01:09 +0200
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-09-17 02:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 20:53 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 21:55 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-16 19:21 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 21:40 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-16 21:38 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 00:24 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 11:39 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 17:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-09-17 18:38 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 13:17 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-17 11:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (some concurrence). peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 13:29 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 08:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (Concurrence) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 11:20 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (Concurrence) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 17:31 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (Concurrence) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 10:56 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently (Concurrence) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-17 11:29 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-09-17 18:32 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Correction) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 12:49 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Correction) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-09-17 19:59 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Correction) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 14:09 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Correction) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 20:33 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-17 11:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 14:01 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 20:29 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 17:51 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 17:55 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 15:58 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 04:36 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 08:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Mike Terry Concurrence ] peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 11:46 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- (Mike Terry Concurrence ] Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 18:00 +0100
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-17 08:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 11:52 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 11:55 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 18:09 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-19 18:22 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-19 14:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-19 17:31 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ Keith Thompson Concurrence ] Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-20 14:11 +0100
                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 19:47 +0100
                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 18:16 +0100
                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 11:02 -0500
                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 18:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 01:49 +0100
                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 20:01 -0500
                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 03:25 +0100
                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 22:39 -0500
                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 14:26 +0100
                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 11:55 -0500
                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Python <python@invalid> - 2019-09-17 18:59 +0200
                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 04:01 +0100
                                                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 22:23 -0500
                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-18 05:19 +0100
                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-18 01:39 -0700
                                                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 09:59 -0500
                                                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-18 09:21 -0600
                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 10:41 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-18 13:55 -0700
                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 16:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 23:09 +0100
                                                                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 23:02 +0100
                                                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- [ CONCURRENCE ] peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-18 11:10 -0500
                                                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- APOLOGY clear yet? Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-18 18:39 +0100
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 12:15 +0100
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-12 10:37 -0500
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 16:56 +0100
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 00:27 -0500
                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 16:43 +0100
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:51 -0500
                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 18:12 +0100
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-12 09:05 -0600
              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-12 10:49 -0500
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-12 10:02 -0600
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 00:18 -0500
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-12 23:24 -0600
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 10:01 -0500
                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 09:13 -0600
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 09:56 -0600
                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:40 -0500
                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 11:03 -0600
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 12:48 -0500
                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 12:25 -0600
                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 22:35 -0600
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 16:42 -0500
                                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:54 +0100
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:28 -0500
                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 11:34 -0500
                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 18:05 +0100
                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE (Andy Goofed) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 18:00 -0500
                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE (Andy Goofed) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 02:04 +0100
                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE (Andy really did Goof) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 09:42 -0500
                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE (Andy really did Goof) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-16 09:13 -0600
                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE (Andy really did Goof) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:15 +0100
                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 01:26 +0100
                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 19:32 -0500
                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 19:36 -0500
                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 02:26 +0100
                                Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 02:54 +0100
                                  Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 21:38 -0500
                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 04:14 +0100
                                      Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 22:45 -0500
                                        Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-15 12:53 +0100
                                          Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-16 10:21 -0500
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-16 16:27 +0100
                                            Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-17 00:35 +0100
                                    Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 11:53 +0100
                              Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- COMPLETE Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 02:22 +0100
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-12 17:04 +0100
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 00:10 -0500
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-12 23:16 -0600
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 10:09 -0500
                        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 09:41 -0600
                          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:36 -0500
                            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 11:14 -0600
                              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 13:03 -0500
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 19:08 +0100
                                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-13 12:34 -0600
                                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 16:38 -0500
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:49 +0100
                                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-09-14 22:00 -0600
                    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 16:45 +0100
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-13 16:57 +0100
                      Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-13 11:55 -0500
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-14 02:30 +0100
              Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 00:53 -0500
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) BEN LIED !!! peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 00:55 -0500
                  Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) BEN LIED !!! peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-17 11:33 -0500
                Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-09-14 17:14 +0100
        Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) George Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu> - 2019-09-14 18:24 -0700
          Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) peteolcott <Here@Home> - 2019-09-14 21:25 -0500
            Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality) Fred <Fred@nowhere.invalid> - 2019-09-15 11:50 +0100
    Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect) George Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu> - 2019-09-11 20:55 -0700
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#210463 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-11 12:05 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (cardinality is incorrect)
Message-ID<er6dnc11p8XwtOTAnZ2dnUU7-d9QAAAA@giganews.com>
On 9/11/2019 2:31 AM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
> On 9/10/19 11:38 PM, peteolcott wrote:
>> The next real number after 3.0 is the geometric point on the number
>> line that is immediately adjacent to 3.0 on its right side. This geometric
>> point is an infinitesimally larger than 3.0: encoded as the first point in
>> the interval: (3,4]
> 
> And between 3.0 and your "next" number (xnext) to the right is another real number: (3.0+xnext) / 2.
> 

I specified a whole Infinitesimal number system:
Real_Part[Infinitesimal_Part] where the Infinitesimal_Part is the number
of geometric points offset from the real part.

0.0[1,∞] specifies the entire set of geometric points with a value
greater than zero on the number line which self-evidently corresponds
to the entire set of positive reals.

Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive integers.

Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott

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#210469

FromFred <Fred@nowhere.invalid>
Date2019-09-11 18:37 +0100
Message-ID<qlbbbs$j2j$2@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#210463
On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
> On 9/11/2019 2:31 AM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
>> On 9/10/19 11:38 PM, peteolcott wrote:
>>> The next real number after 3.0 is the geometric point on the number
>>> line that is immediately adjacent to 3.0 on its right side. This 
>>> geometric
>>> point is an infinitesimally larger than 3.0: encoded as the first 
>>> point in
>>> the interval: (3,4]
>>
>> And between 3.0 and your "next" number (xnext) to the right is another 
>> real number: (3.0+xnext) / 2.
>>
> 
> I specified a whole Infinitesimal number system:
> Real_Part[Infinitesimal_Part] where the Infinitesimal_Part is the number
> of geometric points offset from the real part.
> 
> 0.0[1,∞] specifies the entire set of geometric points with a value
> greater than zero on the number line which self-evidently corresponds
> to the entire set of positive reals.
> 
> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive 
> integers.

If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real numbers 
and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller cardinality than 
just the usual real numbers on their own.

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#210486 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-11 18:32 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<sqydnZDTcotlHuTAnZ2dnUU7-bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210469
On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
>> On 9/11/2019 2:31 AM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
>>> On 9/10/19 11:38 PM, peteolcott wrote:
>>>> The next real number after 3.0 is the geometric point on the number
>>>> line that is immediately adjacent to 3.0 on its right side. This geometric
>>>> point is an infinitesimally larger than 3.0: encoded as the first point in
>>>> the interval: (3,4]
>>>
>>> And between 3.0 and your "next" number (xnext) to the right is another real number: (3.0+xnext) / 2.
>>>
>>
>> I specified a whole Infinitesimal number system:
>> Real_Part[Infinitesimal_Part] where the Infinitesimal_Part is the number
>> of geometric points offset from the real part.
>>
>> 0.0[1,∞] specifies the entire set of geometric points with a value
>> greater than zero on the number line which self-evidently corresponds
>> to the entire set of positive reals.
>>
>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive integers.
> 
> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real numbers and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller cardinality than just the usual real numbers on their own.
> 
> 

My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers and
all of the geometric points on a number line.

We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
on a number line and the set of real numbers.

Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.


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#210491 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromFred <Fred@nowhere.invalid>
Date2019-09-12 01:15 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<qlc2na$lfm$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#210486
On 12/09/2019 00:32, peteolcott wrote:
> On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
>> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:


>>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive 
>>> integers.
>>
>> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real numbers 
>> and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller cardinality 
>> than just the usual real numbers on their own.
>>
>>
> 
> My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers and
> all of the geometric points on a number line.

A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are you 
referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't sound like 
a function of any kind.

> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
> on a number line and the set of real numbers.

Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of 
points on each of a finite number of lines.

> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
> 
> 

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#210494 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-11 19:30 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<pbWdnX3Y_uM1DOTAnZ2dnUU7-fednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210491
On 9/11/2019 7:15 PM, Fred wrote:
> On 12/09/2019 00:32, peteolcott wrote:
>> On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive integers.
>>>
>>> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real numbers and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller cardinality than just the usual real numbers on their own.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers and
>> all of the geometric points on a number line.
> 
> A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are you referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't sound like a function of any kind.
> 
>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
> 
> Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of points on each of a finite number of lines.

YOU ARE A JACKASS.

> 
>> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
>> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
>>
>>
> 


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#210498 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Fromtemakoutera62@gmail.com
Date2019-09-11 17:32 -0700
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<3092649b-ef36-408d-8663-ee968a67ab17@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#210494
Le jeudi 12 septembre 2019 02:30:38 UTC+2, peteolcott a écrit :
> On 9/11/2019 7:15 PM, Fred wrote:
> > On 12/09/2019 00:32, peteolcott wrote:
> >> On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
> >>> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive integers.
> >>>
> >>> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real numbers and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller cardinality than just the usual real numbers on their own.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers and
> >> all of the geometric points on a number line.
> > 
> > A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are you referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't sound like a function of any kind.
> > 
> >> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
> >> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
> > 
> > Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of points on each of a finite number of lines.
> 
> YOU ARE A JACKASS.
> 
> > 
> >> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
> >> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott All rights reserved
> 
> "Great spirits have always encountered violent
> opposition from mediocre minds." Albert Einstein

Can you, please, just address the issue of metaphor proving all your castles of pseudo-theoretical garbage wrong?

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#210500 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromFred <Fred@nowhere.invalid>
Date2019-09-12 01:38 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<qlc41e$j27$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#210494
On 12/09/2019 01:30, peteolcott wrote:
> On 9/11/2019 7:15 PM, Fred wrote:
>> On 12/09/2019 00:32, peteolcott wrote:
>>> On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
>>>> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive 
>>>>> integers.
>>>>
>>>> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real 
>>>> numbers and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller 
>>>> cardinality than just the usual real numbers on their own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers 
>>> and
>>> all of the geometric points on a number line.
>>
>> A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are 
>> you referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't 
>> sound like a function of any kind.
>>
>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>
>> Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number 
>> of points on each of a finite number of lines.
> 
> YOU ARE A JACKASS.

What makes you think that?  I'm just pointing out that writing of "the 
geometric points on a number line" is rather meaningless.  Which number 
line?

> 
>>
>>> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
>>> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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#210504 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromFred <Fred@nowhere.invalid>
Date2019-09-12 01:49 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<qlc4nf$hpt$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#210494
On 12/09/2019 01:30, peteolcott wrote:
> On 9/11/2019 7:15 PM, Fred wrote:
>> On 12/09/2019 00:32, peteolcott wrote:
>>> On 9/11/2019 12:37 PM, Fred wrote:
>>>> On 11/09/2019 18:05, peteolcott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Notice that this entire set is countable using the set of positive 
>>>>> integers.
>>>>
>>>> If your "infinitesimal number system" contains the usual real 
>>>> numbers and some other things as well, it cannot have a smaller 
>>>> cardinality than just the usual real numbers on their own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My infinitesimal number system forms a bijection between the integers 
>>> and
>>> all of the geometric points on a number line.
>>
>> A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are 
>> you referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't 
>> sound like a function of any kind.
>>
>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>
>> Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number 
>> of points on each of a finite number of lines.
> 
> YOU ARE A JACKASS.

A bijection is a function of a certain kind.  Just what function are you 
referring to above?  An "infinitesimal number system" doesn't sound like 
a function of any kind.  If you use big words like "bijection" without 
knowing what they mean, you are the one who will look like a jackass.
> 
>>
>>> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
>>> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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#210721 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromGeorge Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu>
Date2019-09-14 18:22 -0700
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<3ff89673-ea76-48d4-b6b5-424adede73ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#210494
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
> >> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
> >> on a number line and the set of real numbers.

True.

> > 
> > Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of points on each of a finite number of lines.

Of course there are, BUT HE *SAID*, *ON*A*NUMBER*LINE*, jackass.
He WASN'T TALKING ABOUT that.  NOt that "a number  line" is all that "geometric", but we do sort of know what he *meant*.


> YOU ARE A JACKASS.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.  Fred was being a jackass.

> >> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
> >> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.

No, not "therefore" -- most of the "geometric points" on a number line are NOT located at integers.

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#210726 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromFred <Fred@nowhere.invalid>
Date2019-09-15 02:32 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<qlk4b4$p9j$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#210721
On 15/09/2019 02:22, George Greene wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
> 
> True.
> 
>>>
>>> Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of points on each of a finite number of lines.
> 
> Of course there are, BUT HE *SAID*, *ON*A*NUMBER*LINE*, jackass.
> He WASN'T TALKING ABOUT that.  NOt that "a number  line" is all that "geometric", but we do sort of know what he *meant*.
> 
> 
>> YOU ARE A JACKASS.
> 
> A stopped clock is right twice a day.  Fred was being a jackass.

I'm struggling with "the number line".  Is it just another name for the 
real numbers with their algebraic and topological structure?

>>>> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
>>>> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
> 
> No, not "therefore" -- most of the "geometric points" on a number line are NOT located at integers.
> 

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#210729 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-14 21:19 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<sb-dnXxvgbALAuDAnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210721
On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
> 
> True.
> 

Someone corrected my on this.
Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.

>>>
>>> Do "we".  There are finite geometries which only have a finite number of points on each of a finite number of lines.
> 
> Of course there are, BUT HE *SAID*, *ON*A*NUMBER*LINE*, jackass.
> He WASN'T TALKING ABOUT that.  NOt that "a number  line" is all that "geometric", but we do sort of know what he *meant*.
> 
> 
>> YOU ARE A JACKASS.
> 
> A stopped clock is right twice a day.  Fred was being a jackass.
> 
>>>> Therefore the set of integers and the set of reals are the same size
>>>> and Cantor was wrong about cardinality.
> 
> No, not "therefore" -- most of the "geometric points" on a number line are NOT located at integers.
> 


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#210731 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-09-15 03:29 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<87y2yqe1h3.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#210729
peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:

> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>
>> True.
>
> Someone corrected my on this.
> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.

What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
"r".)

In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.

-- 
Ben.

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#210734 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-14 21:41 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<avydndcTqpdtOeDAnZ2dnUU7-cvNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210731
On 9/14/2019 9:29 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
> 
>> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>>
>>> True.
>>
>> Someone corrected my on this.
>> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.
> 
> What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
> corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
> pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
> "r".)
> 
> In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
> abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.
> 

OK great that makes things simpler. I was thinking that irrational numbers
were not real. My correction has been corrected, thanks.

-- 
Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott All rights reserved

"Great spirits have always encountered violent
opposition from mediocre minds." Albert Einstein

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#210737 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-09-15 04:19 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<87h85edz6i.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#210734
peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:

> On 9/14/2019 9:29 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>
>>> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>>>
>>>> True.
>>>
>>> Someone corrected my on this.
>>> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.
>>
>> What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
>> corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
>> pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
>> "r".)
>>
>> In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
>> abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.
>
> OK great that makes things simpler. I was thinking that irrational numbers
> were not real. My correction has been corrected, thanks.

Why do you believe me rather than whoever it was that told you
otherwise?  Any why do you believe me about this but not about other
things?

-- 
Ben.

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#210740 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-14 22:46 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<ubmdna5JRZqLKeDAnZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210737
On 9/14/2019 10:19 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
> 
>> On 9/14/2019 9:29 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>> Someone corrected my on this.
>>>> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.
>>>
>>> What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
>>> corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
>>> pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
>>> "r".)
>>>
>>> In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
>>> abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.
>>
>> OK great that makes things simpler. I was thinking that irrational numbers
>> were not real. My correction has been corrected, thanks.
> 
> Why do you believe me rather than whoever it was that told you
> otherwise?  

I looked it up.

> Any why do you believe me about this but not about other
> things?
> 

The other things are merely your conformity to common misconceptions.

-- 
Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott All rights reserved

"Great spirits have always encountered violent
opposition from mediocre minds." Albert Einstein

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#210755 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-09-15 13:02 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<87zhj5daxh.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#210740
peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:

> On 9/14/2019 10:19 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>
>>> On 9/14/2019 9:29 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone corrected my on this.
>>>>> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.
>>>>
>>>> What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
>>>> corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
>>>> pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
>>>> "r".)
>>>>
>>>> In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
>>>> abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.
>>>
>>> OK great that makes things simpler. I was thinking that irrational numbers
>>> were not real. My correction has been corrected, thanks.
>>
>> Why do you believe me rather than whoever it was that told you
>> otherwise?  
>
> I looked it up.

Ah.  And presumably what you found, despite being conventional wisdom,
did not cause you to think you might be wrong about anything you care
about.

>> Any why do you believe me about this but not about other
>> things?
>>
>
> The other things are merely your conformity to common misconceptions.

Such as pi being a real number?  Did you look up what an open interval
is?  The trouble is that that is a tad more complicated than pi ∈ R, so
you probably got lost after a few sentences.  But if you can press on
just a little bit you can also find out whether there is a first element
in (0, 1) just be looking it up.

-- 
Ben.

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#210803 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-16 10:26 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<OZydnYvqYuUsNOLAnZ2dnUU7-efNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210755
On 9/15/2019 7:02 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
> 
>> On 9/14/2019 10:19 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 9/14/2019 9:29 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/2019 8:22 PM, George Greene wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:30:38 PM UTC-4, peteolcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> We already know there is a bijection between all of the geometric points
>>>>>>>>>> on a number line and the set of real numbers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone corrected my on this.
>>>>>> Some of the numbers on the number line (like PI) are not Real numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> What criteria do you use to tell if you should take someone's
>>>>> corrections?  Because whoever it was got it wrong.  pi (if you mean the
>>>>> pi we all know and love) is a real number (written with a lower case
>>>>> "r".)
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, the two correspond exactly.  The real numbers are the algebraic
>>>>> abstraction of the concept of a continuous unbounded line.
>>>>
>>>> OK great that makes things simpler. I was thinking that irrational numbers
>>>> were not real. My correction has been corrected, thanks.
>>>
>>> Why do you believe me rather than whoever it was that told you
>>> otherwise?
>>
>> I looked it up.
> 
> Ah.  And presumably what you found, despite being conventional wisdom,
> did not cause you to think you might be wrong about anything you care
> about.
> 
>>> Any why do you believe me about this but not about other
>>> things?
>>>
>>
>> The other things are merely your conformity to common misconceptions.
> 
> Such as pi being a real number?  Did you look up what an open interval
> is?  The trouble is that that is a tad more complicated than pi ∈ R, so
> you probably got lost after a few sentences.  But if you can press on
> just a little bit you can also find out whether there is a first element
> in (0, 1) just be looking it up.
> 

https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Interval_and_segment
An interval (open interval) is a set of points on a line lying between two fixed
points A and B, where A and B themselves are considered not to belong to the interval.

This clearly specifies that there is a point immediately after A and before B.
These points don't magically disappear because there is no conventional way
to directly reference them.


-- 
Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott All rights reserved

"Great spirits have always encountered violent
opposition from mediocre minds." Albert Einstein

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#210855 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-09-17 00:21 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<871rwfddzq.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#210803
peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
<cut>
> https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Interval_and_segment
> An interval (open interval) is a set of points on a line lying between
> two fixed points A and B, where A and B themselves are considered not
> to belong to the interval.
>
> This clearly specifies that there is a point immediately after A and
> before B.

No it doesn't.  I don't think there is any way forward here because you
are simply reading things into that text that are not there.  Normally
I'd suggest you go and read about the development of the reals, but
that's a non-starter for you.

Another thing I'd suggest (to an actual student wanting to learn) would
be to consider why (0, 1) is called an /open/ interval.  When you learn
what an open set is, you'll learn why you are wrong.

What's actually going on is that you are thinking about a number line
that does not have the right properties.  This is the classic crank
problem: your number line and your intervals are not ours, but if you
were to say that the PO-interval (0, 1] has a first point, no one would
care.

> These points don't magically disappear because there is no conventional way
> to directly reference them.

There are, and always have been, conventional ways to directly reference
these non-existent numbers.  It's because even you have been able to
reference them that I, and others, have been able to tell you they don't
exist.  Here are just a few of the ways of referring to one such
non-extent number:

  the number immediately adjacent to 0 in [0, 1]
  the first number in (0, 1]
  min (0, 1]
  x ∈ (0, 1] s.t. ∀y ∈ (0, 1] x <= y

Neither naming nor defining things make them exist.

-- 
Ben.

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#210857 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

Frompeteolcott <Here@Home>
Date2019-09-16 18:24 -0500
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<rdedndyh8t0thB3AnZ2dnUU7-YudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#210855
On 9/16/2019 6:21 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
> <cut>
>> https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Interval_and_segment
>> An interval (open interval) is a set of points on a line lying between
>> two fixed points A and B, where A and B themselves are considered not
>> to belong to the interval.
>>
>> This clearly specifies that there is a point immediately after A and
>> before B.
> 
> No it doesn't.  I don't think there is any way forward here because you
> are simply reading things into that text that are not there.  Normally
> I'd suggest you go and read about the development of the reals, but
> that's a non-starter for you.


When we remove the beginning 0.5 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.5, 2.0]
with a first point of 0.5.

When we remove the beginning 0.1 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.1, 2.0]
with a first point of 0.1.

When we remove the beginning 0.0001 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.0001, 2.0]
with a first point of 0.0001.

So when we remove a single point from the beginning of [0.0, 1.0]
we end up with (0.0, 1.0] with beginning point that cannot be named.
WE DON'T END UP WITHOUT A BEGINNING POINT.

> 
> Another thing I'd suggest (to an actual student wanting to learn) would
> be to consider why (0, 1) is called an /open/ interval.  When you learn
> what an open set is, you'll learn why you are wrong.
> 
> What's actually going on is that you are thinking about a number line
> that does not have the right properties.  This is the classic crank
> problem: your number line and your intervals are not ours, but if you
> were to say that the PO-interval (0, 1] has a first point, no one would
> care.
> 
>> These points don't magically disappear because there is no conventional way
>> to directly reference them.
> 
> There are, and always have been, conventional ways to directly reference
> these non-existent numbers.  It's because even you have been able to
> reference them that I, and others, have been able to tell you they don't
> exist.  Here are just a few of the ways of referring to one such
> non-extent number:
> 
>    the number immediately adjacent to 0 in [0, 1]
>    the first number in (0, 1]
>    min (0, 1]
>    x ∈ (0, 1] s.t. ∀y ∈ (0, 1] x <= y
> 
> Neither naming nor defining things make them exist.
> 


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Copyright 2019 Pete Olcott All rights reserved

"Great spirits have always encountered violent
opposition from mediocre minds." Albert Einstein

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#210863 — Re: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-09-17 02:10 +0100
SubjectRe: Provably unprovable eliminates incompleteness (Cantor was wrong about cardinality)
Message-ID<87ef0fbudx.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#210857
peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:

> On 9/16/2019 6:21 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> peteolcott <Here@Home> writes:
>> <cut>
>>> https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Interval_and_segment
>>> An interval (open interval) is a set of points on a line lying between
>>> two fixed points A and B, where A and B themselves are considered not
>>> to belong to the interval.
>>>
>>> This clearly specifies that there is a point immediately after A and
>>> before B.
>>
>> No it doesn't.  I don't think there is any way forward here because you
>> are simply reading things into that text that are not there.  Normally
>> I'd suggest you go and read about the development of the reals, but
>> that's a non-starter for you.
>
> When we remove the beginning 0.5 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.5, 2.0]
> with a first point of 0.5.

You could be clearer, but you are not wrong:

  [0, 2] \ [0, 0.5) = [0.5, 2] with first point 0.5

but

  [0, 2] \ [0, 0.5] = (0.5, 2] with no first point.

> When we remove the beginning 0.1 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.1, 2.0]
> with a first point of 0.1.
>
> When we remove the beginning 0.0001 from [0.0, 2.0] we derive [0.0001, 2.0]
> with a first point of 0.0001.
>
> So when we remove a single point from the beginning of [0.0, 1.0]
> we end up with (0.0, 1.0] with beginning point that cannot be named.

No, you /can/ name it: min (0, 1].  It still does not exist.

> WE DON'T END UP WITHOUT A BEGINNING POINT.

How often will you say that?  I'll keep saying that you are wrong until
you learn what an open set is.

Note that I am talking about real intervals because that is the context
of the definition you cite above.  PO-points and PO-intervals are not
interesting to me.  Can you at least agree that for the real interval
(0, 1] there is no first number?

Despite prior experience, you might possible answer this question
because you seem to accept that, for reals at east, if x = min (0, 1]
then x/2 must be be in the real interval (0, 1] and yet less than min
(0, 1].  I say you accept this, because I've seen you claim that your
"points" are not subject to this argument.

-- 
Ben.

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