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Re: An afterthought about the Binary Tree

From wm <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de>
Newsgroups sci.logic
Subject Re: An afterthought about the Binary Tree
Date 2026-06-05 16:37 +0200
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Am 05.06.2026 um 10:44 schrieb Mikko:
> On 04/06/2026 23:52, WM wrote:

>> Simplest by showing the nonsense of Cantor's bijections.
>>
>> According to Cantor all positive fractions
>>
>>      1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ...
>>      2/1, 2/2, 2/3, 2/4, ...
>>      3/1, 3/2, 3/3, 3/4, ...
>>      4/1, 4/2, 4/3, 4/4, ...
>>      ...
>>
>> can be indexed by the Cantor function k = (m + n - 1)(m + n - 2)/2 + m 
>> which attaches the index k to the fraction m/n in Cantor's sequence
>>
>> 1/1, 1/2, 2/1, 1/3, 2/2, 3/1, 1/4, 2/3, 3/2, 4/1, 1/5, 2/4, 3/3, 4/2, 
>> 5/1, 1/6, 2/5, 3/4, ... .
> 
> Obviously, what Cantor did is doable.

But what he believed to have done is not.>
>> Its terms can be represented by matrices. When we attach all indeXes k 
>> = 1, 2, 3, ..., for clarity represented by X, to the integer fractions 
>> m/1 and indicate missing indexes by hOles O, then we get the matrix 
>> M(0) as starting position:
>>
>> XOOO...    XXOO...    XXOO...    XXXO...
>> XOOO...    OOOO...    XOOO...    XOOO...
>> XOOO...    XOOO...    OOOO...    OOOO...
>> XOOO...    XOOO...    XOOO...    OOOO...
>> ...         ...        ...        ...
>> M(0)       M(2)       M(3)        M(4)      ...
> 
> The description of the process is not clear. What does "missing index"
> mean?

"Missing index" is said of a fraction that has no index.>
>> M(1) is the same as M(0) because index 1 remains at 1/1.
> 
> Before explaining why M(1) is what it is you should tell us what it is.

I did above. But again: All indices 1, 2, 3, ... are used to index all 
unit fractions in the first column. No.one can claim that there are too 
few indices in the matrix. Then these indices are distributed according 
to Cantor's description. Most critics of this proof claim that the limit 
has other properties as the 
sequence.(https://www.reddit.com/r/AspectsOfTheInfinite/comments/1tc6v1l/proof_of_the_existence_of_dark_numbers/) 
but there is no limit in Cantor's theory but only the complete sequence.

Regards, WM

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