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What's wrong with "national health care"?

Started byDon Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
First post2017-05-13 15:10 -0700
Last post2017-05-26 13:43 -0700
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  What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 15:10 -0700
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-05-13 22:54 +0000
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 15:59 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 00:34 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:11 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 08:49 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 02:00 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 10:14 +0100
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 08:31 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 15:56 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 09:04 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 18:02 +0100
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 16:10 -0700
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 01:12 +0100
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 10:57 -0700
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-18 10:42 -0700
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 14:10 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:19 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 15:48 +0100
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:19 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:47 +0100
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:40 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 00:03 +0100
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:39 -0400
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 08:09 +0100
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-05-18 09:13 +0100
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 09:37 +0100
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 04:57 -0400
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 09:58 +0100
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-17 08:21 -0700
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:28 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 09:13 +0100
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 10:14 +0100
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 13:31 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 19:17 +0100
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 17:47 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 23:45 +0100
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-19 19:57 -0700
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 23:35 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-20 07:42 +0100
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-20 00:48 -0700
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-23 09:24 +0100
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 12:19 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-23 17:44 +0100
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 16:49 -0400
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-24 08:29 +1000
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 19:26 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-24 11:32 +1000
                                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 01:16 -0400
                                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-24 18:04 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-24 07:40 +0100
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-05-31 11:57 +0000
                                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 09:05 -0400
                                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-06-20 05:12 +0000
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 21:07 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-23 19:04 -0700
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 18:46 -0400
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-24 12:56 +0200
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 12:37 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-24 18:12 -0400
                                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-24 16:11 -0700
                                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-24 19:49 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-26 15:41 +0200
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 18:44 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 18:18 +0100
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 18:54 +0100
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 23:00 -0700
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 15:32 +0100
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-15 15:01 -0700
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 00:52 +0100
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-05-15 19:17 -0700
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-15 19:26 -0700
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 12:01 -0700
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 21:12 +0100
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 13:51 -0700
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-16 20:26 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:50 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 13:27 -0700
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 22:00 +0100
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-05-14 18:39 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 16:20 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:05 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 17:49 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-13 18:02 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 21:25 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:28 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-13 19:39 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:05 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-15 20:37 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 18:19 -0700
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-15 21:53 -0400
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 09:18 -0700
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-16 12:51 -0400
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-20 11:54 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-20 12:05 -0400
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-22 08:58 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-22 11:58 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-15 19:29 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 18:06 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 18:38 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 18:44 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-05-13 17:35 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 17:56 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 21:00 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 18:11 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 21:29 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 18:47 -0700
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 22:37 -0400
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 19:56 -0700
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 00:08 -0400
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-13 21:20 -0700
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 18:02 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 18:16 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 18:02 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 15:58 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-14 09:19 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 13:29 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:40 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 18:04 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-14 11:12 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 12:23 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-14 10:55 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-14 13:32 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 20:44 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:03 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-13 20:17 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 20:57 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 08:55 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-14 08:11 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 14:25 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 23:54 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 09:09 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:43 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 00:05 +0100
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-13 19:30 -0700
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-05-13 16:32 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:00 -0700
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-13 16:39 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:18 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-13 17:31 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:36 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-13 20:58 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:40 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 12:58 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:35 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:17 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-15 19:04 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 09:27 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-16 19:49 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:27 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:13 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-15 18:53 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 09:16 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-16 19:43 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:52 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-17 18:23 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 09:59 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:47 -0400
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-05-13 20:06 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 12:53 -0700
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 13:33 +1000
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 23:53 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 00:11 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:24 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-15 20:39 -0400
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-15 19:16 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 09:29 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:58 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-13 21:04 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 00:10 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 14:29 +1000
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 00:48 -0400
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 00:13 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-14 18:10 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-18 09:44 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-18 12:34 -0400
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-18 09:34 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-18 09:03 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-18 12:36 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 14:12 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-18 14:36 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-18 17:43 -0400
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-18 18:01 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-18 15:18 -0700
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-18 19:39 -0400
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 21:26 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-19 09:22 +0200
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 13:37 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-19 17:51 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-22 11:30 +0200
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 12:32 -0400
                                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-23 10:58 +0200
                                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 17:09 -0400
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-23 14:30 -0700
                                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-24 13:30 +0200
                                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 13:01 -0400
                                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-26 15:43 +0200
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 21:13 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-19 07:50 +1000
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-18 20:03 -0400
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 20:39 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-05-14 12:19 +0800
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-13 22:08 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 22:20 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-18 18:10 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 21:31 -0400
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 10:28 +0100
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 10:53 +0100
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 12:30 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:17 -0400
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 11:49 +0100
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-19 12:56 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-19 18:05 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-20 08:36 +0100
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-20 15:58 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-23 10:21 +0100
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-23 13:26 -0700
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 17:41 -0400
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-24 08:37 +1000
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 00:45 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 18:52 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-15 00:52 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 15:16 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-15 08:08 -0700
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:33 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 09:50 +0100
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 01:32 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 08:05 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:19 -0400
    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-05-25 08:57 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 11:49 -0400
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-25 18:04 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 13:15 -0400
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-26 09:15 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-26 09:28 +0100
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 04:40 -0400
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-05-31 06:19 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 18:08 -0700
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-25 18:30 -0400
      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-25 13:15 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-26 09:54 +0100
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-26 12:23 -0700
            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-26 13:44 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-26 13:47 -0700
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-06-24 00:18 +0000
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-06-24 00:24 +0000
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-24 09:20 -0700
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-24 12:38 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-06-24 12:11 -0700
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-24 13:04 -0700
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-06-29 14:20 +0100
                          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-29 15:37 -0700
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-06-30 11:05 +0100
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-06-30 08:13 -0700
                              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-30 12:26 -0400
                            Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-30 03:43 -0700
              Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 21:07 -0400
                Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-26 18:59 -0700
                  Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-26 22:17 -0400
                    Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 09:37 +0100
                      Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-27 09:30 -0400
                        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-27 18:23 -0700
        Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-05-26 08:47 -0400
          Re: What's wrong with "national health care"? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-26 13:43 -0700

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#460183

FromClifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-14 13:33 +1000
Message-ID<zeQRA.45516$3M3.6199@fx16.iad>
In reply to#460129
On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
> that you feel you ought to have?
>
> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
> would you change?

 From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.

We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.

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#460188

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-13 23:53 -0400
Message-ID<of8k64$gg8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#460183
On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>
>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>> would you change?
>
> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>
> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.

Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
cost of healthcare in the US.

-- 

Rick C

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#460192

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-14 00:11 -0400
Message-ID<j6mfhchobb2e6r3cg7eo9mfo742rkt0cfq@4ax.com>
In reply to#460188
On Sat, 13 May 2017 23:53:50 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>>
>>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>>> would you change?
>>
>> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>>
>> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>
>Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
>cost of healthcare in the US.

Utter bullshit.

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#460425

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-05-15 13:24 -0700
Message-ID<35a8b5cf-7669-4462-9178-0d54f8311efd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460188
On Sunday, 14 May 2017 04:53:51 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:

> > From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
> >
> > We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
> > are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
> > Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
> 
> Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
> cost of healthcare in the US.

Why then are so many drugs more than an order of magnitude more expensive in the US than elsewhere?


NT

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#460446

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-15 20:39 -0400
Message-ID<ugikhclusdr0f0c0ma45f80unf8ijfjhs6@4ax.com>
In reply to#460425
On Mon, 15 May 2017 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

>On Sunday, 14 May 2017 04:53:51 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>> On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
>
>> > From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>> >
>> > We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>> > are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>> > Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>> 
>> Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
>> cost of healthcare in the US.
>
>Why then are so many drugs more than an order of magnitude more expensive in the US than elsewhere?

They aren't.

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#460462

Frombill.sloman@ieee.org
Date2017-05-15 19:16 -0700
Message-ID<ea4ea100-8497-4258-939e-9420dd699e18@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460425
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:24:45 AM UTC+10, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 May 2017 04:53:51 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> > On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> 
> > > From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
> > >
> > > We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
> > > are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
> > > Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
> > 
> > Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
> > cost of healthcare in the US.
> 
> Why then are so many drugs more than an order of magnitude more expensive in the US than elsewhere?

That's got very little to do with the legal system, and everything to do with US big pharma lobbying the legislators to get competition banned from the system, or to have it work in ways that discourages small suppliers to break in.

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2467992

Medicare's drug price negotiations are crippled.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/companies-that-would-be-impacted-by-medicare-negotiating-drug-prices-2017-3?r=US&IR=T

It's an interesting insight into the way American business exploits the  - notionally - free market.

Adam Smith nailed it in 1776.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/420123-people-of-the-same-trade-seldom-meet-together-even-for

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney 

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#460528

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-05-16 09:29 -0700
Message-ID<73fa11e8-f4a0-41fa-a572-f2113e325b63@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460462
On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 03:16:34 UTC+1, bill....@ieee.org  wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:24:45 AM UTC+10, tabby wrote:
> > On Sunday, 14 May 2017 04:53:51 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> > > On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> > 
> > > > From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
> > > >
> > > > We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
> > > > are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
> > > > Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
> > > 
> > > Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the 
> > > cost of healthcare in the US.
> > 
> > Why then are so many drugs more than an order of magnitude more expensive in the US than elsewhere?
> 
> That's got very little to do with the legal system, and everything to do with US big pharma lobbying the legislators to get competition banned from the system, or to have it work in ways that discourages small suppliers to break in.

so it's the legal system in both cases there


NT

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#460717

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-17 18:58 -0400
Message-ID<ofikdd$n3r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#460528
On 5/16/2017 12:29 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 03:16:34 UTC+1, bill....@ieee.org  wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:24:45 AM UTC+10, tabby wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 14 May 2017 04:53:51 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2017 11:33 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>>>>> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>>>>> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>>>>
>>>> Another load of applesauce.  Our legal system has nothing to do with the
>>>> cost of healthcare in the US.
>>>
>>> Why then are so many drugs more than an order of magnitude more expensive in the US than elsewhere?
>>
>> That's got very little to do with the legal system, and everything to do with US big pharma lobbying the legislators to get competition banned from the system, or to have it work in ways that discourages small suppliers to break in.
>
> so it's the legal system in both cases there

Applesauce.  Drugs are high here for the same reason any price is set... 
supply and demand.  Simple economics.  They charge a price that gets 
them the most profit.

A friend has retina problems.  He gets a shot each month in each eye 
with the hope of improving his vision, or at least it not getting worse. 
  He had two choices, one drug which was developed for this at a very 
high price tag (which was paid when it was the only choice) or an 
off-label use of a cancer drug which is "only" $200 a shot (same results 
in clinical trials).  The point is until the off-label drug was found, 
everyone paid what ever the ridiculously high cost the other drug maker 
charged because eye sight is very important.  In other countries the 
same drug may well have gone for less because it might not have been 
paid for by the NHS, etc.  In the US, once it was approved the insurance 
companies didn't have a choice to refuse paying.

-- 

Rick C

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#460189

Frombill.sloman@ieee.org
Date2017-05-13 21:04 -0700
Message-ID<eed088ba-9bb3-49c1-aaaa-d0ca74748143@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460183
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 1:33:54 PM UTC+10, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
> > So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
> > (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
> > wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
> > How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
> > that you feel you ought to have?
> >
> > I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
> > would you change?
> 
>  From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
> 
> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.

I've been treated by the UK system, which mostly cost me nothing (beyond the national insurance levy), though on occasions I used money to get attention that the national health service was slow to provide.

I used the Dutch system from time to time - it eventually replaced my aortic valve - and it never cost me anything (beyond the compulsory contribution to a health care insurer that I was allowed to choose, though they were all pretty similar).

My encounters with the Australian health care system do seem to involve me paying people money pretty frequently. A recent news article suggests that the amount I'm paying could be negotiable - my GP could probably find me cheaper specialists, if that's what I asked her to do, rather than to find me the specialists least likely to screw up.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/how-much-does-your-surgeon-charge-medibank-data-show

The Australian system isn't great. Better than the US system, but clearly influenced by it, and by the less attractive feature of UK medical care. 

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#460191

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-14 00:10 -0400
Message-ID<h1mfhc9shdsrm0ihgdtfikfjjdf46bhs5c@4ax.com>
In reply to#460183
On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:33:49 +1000, Clifford Heath
<clifford.heath@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>
>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>> would you change?
>
> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>
>We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.

The lawyer problem is wholly the result of the government.  It could
easily be fixed if there weren't so much money involved.  More reasons
for *less* government.  Healthcare isn't a lot different.

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#460196

FromClifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-14 14:29 +1000
Message-ID<w2RRA.117558$ef.52306@fx34.iad>
In reply to#460191
On 14/05/17 14:10, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:33:49 +1000, Clifford Heath
> <clifford.heath@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>>
>>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>>> would you change?
>>
>> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>>
>> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>
> The lawyer problem is wholly the result of the government.  It could
> easily be fixed if there weren't so much money involved.  More reasons
> for *less* government.  Healthcare isn't a lot different.

As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
it and drag them through the courts to make them pay. In the process,
everyone but the lawyers become poor, and because they now have all
the money from both sides, they're keen to do it again. The insurance
companies are happy to pay, because that justifies them increasing
their premiums, and wasting a bigger share of the GDP. Your medical
system has become piggy-in-the-middle, played by both sides for all
they're worth.

That behaviour is *not* the fault of too much government. It's the
result of an almost complete lack of principles, and a legal system
that's driven by money.

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#460197

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-14 00:48 -0400
Message-ID<of8nbu$nrs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#460196
On 5/14/2017 12:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 14/05/17 14:10, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:33:49 +1000, Clifford Heath
>> <clifford.heath@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>>>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>>>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>>>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>>>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>>>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>>>
>>>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>>>> would you change?
>>>
>>> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>>>
>>> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>>> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>>> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>>
>> The lawyer problem is wholly the result of the government.  It could
>> easily be fixed if there weren't so much money involved.  More reasons
>> for *less* government.  Healthcare isn't a lot different.
>
> As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay. In the process,
> everyone but the lawyers become poor, and because they now have all
> the money from both sides, they're keen to do it again. The insurance
> companies are happy to pay, because that justifies them increasing
> their premiums, and wasting a bigger share of the GDP. Your medical
> system has become piggy-in-the-middle, played by both sides for all
> they're worth.
>
> That behaviour is *not* the fault of too much government. It's the
> result of an almost complete lack of principles, and a legal system
> that's driven by money.

All this from a distant view through the eyes of who exactly?  The media 
no doubt.  Not surprising.  Many in this country have the same sort of 
malformed opinion not based on any real facts, just parroting the 
sensational fictional accounts they've read.

I will say your little exposé is pretty amazing in how far you have 
swallowed the hook.  You even write your own prose to describe something 
you seem to know little about.  I especially like how you absurdly claim 
the insurance companies stop competing to keep their rates low and 
instead "are happy to pay" to get their rates as high as possible.  What 
tripe!

What an almost complete lack of principles!

-- 

Rick C

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#460206

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-14 00:13 -0700
Message-ID<6617472c-4d48-4c93-83c5-604f4057c55c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460196
Clifford Heath wrote:

---------------------
> 
> 
> As an outside observer, 
>

** You mean as an ill informed one too. 


> the
> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay.
>

** Typical mad idea derived from bad TV shows and biased new items coming from the USA. 

US law relating to compensation for bodily harm arising from another's negligence differs from other countries in one important respect - 
the injured party does not have to pay the respondent's costs if they fail to prove their case. 

This make it *possible* for a poor person to sue for compensation, long as they can find a lawyer willing to work on contingency - famously 33% of an awarded amount. 

Do you think it fair that the poor cannot sue for such compensation in places like Australia ? 


.....  Phil 



....  Phil 

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#460294

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-14 18:10 -0400
Message-ID<18lhhc5kmdoedqtt9th98g8et9i224htog@4ax.com>
In reply to#460196
On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:29:13 +1000, Clifford Heath
<clifford.heath@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 14/05/17 14:10, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 May 2017 13:33:49 +1000, Clifford Heath
>> <clifford.heath@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/05/17 08:10, Don Y wrote:
>>>> So, for the folks who live/work in places with "national health care"
>>>> (whatever THAT means), what's *wrong* with it?  I.e., what would you
>>>> wish was different/better?  How are your "death panels" implemented?
>>>> How is care "rationed"?  What have you NOT been given (by way of care)
>>>> that you feel you ought to have?
>>>>
>>>> I.e., if you were starting from scratch to reinvent YOUR system, what
>>>> would you change?
>>>
>>> From most aspects, the Australian system would be hard to improve on.
>>>
>>> We don't suffer the American problem of too much lawyering, so costs
>>> are not exorbitant, and basically if you need treatment, you get it.
>>> Sooner if you have private cover, but you still get treated.
>>
>> The lawyer problem is wholly the result of the government.  It could
>> easily be fixed if there weren't so much money involved.  More reasons
>> for *less* government.  Healthcare isn't a lot different.
>
>As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
>US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
>primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
>it and drag them through the courts to make them pay.

There is a lot to be said for the above.

>In the process,
>everyone but the lawyers become poor, and because they now have all
>the money from both sides, they're keen to do it again. The insurance
>companies are happy to pay, because that justifies them increasing
>their premiums, and wasting a bigger share of the GDP. Your medical
>system has become piggy-in-the-middle, played by both sides for all
>they're worth.

Sure, but it's not only the medical system and it's not just the
direct costs of the suits.  Doctors and hospitals play defensive
medicine.  "What can I do to minimize my chance of being sued."
>
>That behaviour is *not* the fault of too much government. It's the
>result of an almost complete lack of principles, and a legal system
>that's driven by money.

Oh, it sure is.  The government has set the courts up to favor the
claimant and refuses to change the game.

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#460775

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-05-18 09:44 -0400
Message-ID<mzhTA.57642$J16.45878@fx05.iad>
In reply to#460294
On 05/14/2017 06:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>> As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
>> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
>> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
>> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay.
> 
> There is a lot to be said for the above.

I guarantee you this guy has sued someone over some trivial BS before. 
He really doesn't strike me as the "just let it go" type lol

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#460798

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-18 12:34 -0400
Message-ID<a6jrhct8i9t11ufub6ah6io4v2kjb4so23@4ax.com>
In reply to#460775
On Thu, 18 May 2017 09:44:50 -0400, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 05/14/2017 06:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>> As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
>>> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
>>> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
>>> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay.
>> 
>> There is a lot to be said for the above.
>
>I guarantee you this guy has sued someone over some trivial BS before. 
>He really doesn't strike me as the "just let it go" type lol
>
More proof that you're an absolute zero IQ, leftist, idiot.  (lot of
redundancy there, I know)

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#460773

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-05-18 09:34 -0400
Message-ID<AphTA.74876$bl5.5824@fx25.iad>
In reply to#460196
On 05/14/2017 12:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:

> As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay. 

As an inside observer, the US approach is white-knighting for a giant 
corporation like McDonalds and using the "hot coffee injury" case as an 
example of how (primarily low income people) just want a payout and are 
always looking for someone to blame for their problems.

The woman involved in that case nearly died from her injuries.

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#460792

FromLasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk>
Date2017-05-18 09:03 -0700
Message-ID<66e82d49-6376-43ec-a844-6825cc905c8d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460773
Den torsdag den 18. maj 2017 kl. 15.34.29 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
> On 05/14/2017 12:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> 
> > As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
> > US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
> > primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
> > it and drag them through the courts to make them pay. 
> 
> As an inside observer, the US approach is white-knighting for a giant 
> corporation like McDonalds and using the "hot coffee injury" case as an 
> example of how (primarily low income people) just want a payout and are 
> always looking for someone to blame for their problems.
> 
> The woman involved in that case nearly died from her injuries.

how does the extend of her injuries make it any more or less McDonalds 
fault?

you make coffee with boiling water, unless McD has some magic machine 
that can make water hotter than boiling, their coffee is no hotter than 
any other fresh brewed coffee. 

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#460799

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-18 12:36 -0400
Message-ID<t9jrhc50t8nige72h09gun143aoifqfsm8@4ax.com>
In reply to#460792
On Thu, 18 May 2017 09:03:22 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den torsdag den 18. maj 2017 kl. 15.34.29 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
>> On 05/14/2017 12:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> 
>> > As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
>> > US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
>> > primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
>> > it and drag them through the courts to make them pay. 
>> 
>> As an inside observer, the US approach is white-knighting for a giant 
>> corporation like McDonalds and using the "hot coffee injury" case as an 
>> example of how (primarily low income people) just want a payout and are 
>> always looking for someone to blame for their problems.
>> 
>> The woman involved in that case nearly died from her injuries.
>
>how does the extend of her injuries make it any more or less McDonalds 
>fault?
>
>you make coffee with boiling water, unless McD has some magic machine 
>that can make water hotter than boiling, their coffee is no hotter than 
>any other fresh brewed coffee. 

In fact, at the time, Dunkin' Donuts spec for served coffee was 190F
+/- 3F.  Franchisees were dinged if they served coffee outside that
spec.

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#460818

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-18 14:12 -0400
Message-ID<ofko05$4if$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#460792
On 5/18/2017 12:03 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> Den torsdag den 18. maj 2017 kl. 15.34.29 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
>> On 05/14/2017 12:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>
>>> As an outside observer, it seems that for many decades at least, the
>>> US approach has been that whenever anything bad happens to you, your
>>> primary moral responsibility has been to find someone to blame for
>>> it and drag them through the courts to make them pay.
>>
>> As an inside observer, the US approach is white-knighting for a giant
>> corporation like McDonalds and using the "hot coffee injury" case as an
>> example of how (primarily low income people) just want a payout and are
>> always looking for someone to blame for their problems.
>>
>> The woman involved in that case nearly died from her injuries.
>
> how does the extend of her injuries make it any more or less McDonalds
> fault?
>
> you make coffee with boiling water, unless McD has some magic machine
> that can make water hotter than boiling, their coffee is no hotter than
> any other fresh brewed coffee.

Your comments show you know nothing about the facts in the case.  There 
is a saying about this, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool 
than to speak out and remove all doubt."

-- 

Rick C

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