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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.

Started by"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
First post2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
Last post2017-07-13 02:57 -0700
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  Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 09:04 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. leongdentalsf@gmail.com - 2017-07-03 06:23 -0700
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. leongdentalsf@gmail.com - 2017-07-03 06:20 -0700
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:26 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 11:09 -0500
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-03 09:54 -0700
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 18:02 -0500
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-03 16:44 -0700
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-04 12:10 -0500
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 11:12 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-07-05 13:49 +1000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 21:31 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-07-05 16:03 +1000
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 17:04 +0000
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 14:04 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 18:28 +0000
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 20:57 +0000
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-03 14:57 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 00:45 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 20:11 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 02:29 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 06:49 +0100
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 21:33 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:16 +0100
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-05 08:52 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:47 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:08 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:02 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 19:12 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 22:16 -0400
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 23:30 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:35 +0100
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:05 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 08:03 -0500
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:19 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:09 -0500
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:05 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-04 20:08 -0600
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-04 09:11 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:12 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-04 20:08 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-05 08:54 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:54 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 18:42 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:07 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-05 17:27 -0700
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:30 +0100
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-06 06:35 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 16:34 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:25 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 04:56 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:09 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-07 20:18 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:19 +0100
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 17:13 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 11:43 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-07-07 15:22 -0400
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 15:29 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 16:20 -0700
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 18:18 -0700
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-08 08:46 -0400
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-08 08:53 -0400
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-08 08:12 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:49 +0100
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-08 17:13 +0000
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-08 11:13 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-08 18:50 -0400
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-08 16:33 -0700
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-08 19:47 -0400
                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-08 18:17 -0700
                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-08 21:27 -0400
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:12 +0100
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-09 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:48 -0700
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:27 -0500
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:11 +0100
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 16:30 +0000
                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:49 +0100
                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 17:47 +0000
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:15 -0700
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 14:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 18:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 21:31 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 22:12 +0000
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-07-11 19:01 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 02:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 22:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:24 -0400
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 20:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:11 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-12 07:28 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-07-12 12:43 +0100
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2017-07-12 07:46 -0400
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 20:59 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 20:36 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:47 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 15:32 -0700
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 19:07 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 16:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 05:10 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-12 18:39 -0500
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-13 20:27 -0500
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:22 -0700
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-14 11:55 -0500
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-07-13 08:01 +0100
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 22:56 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 23:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 23:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:23 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:08 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 12:53 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 13:04 -0500
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 09:51 -0400
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 11:04 -0500
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 16:15 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:32 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:08 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-16 15:21 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 09:06 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:23 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 17:39 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-17 09:46 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 13:04 -0500
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 04:33 -0700
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 05:51 +0100
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 02:55 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:51 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 15:34 -0700
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 19:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 16:24 -0700
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-15 00:27 -0600
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:52 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 06:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-16 16:02 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 06:02 +0100
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 06:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-18 21:10 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 05:08 +0100
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-19 20:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 03:35 -0700
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:56 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-20 10:18 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-07-20 11:34 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 16:25 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 20:42 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 16:40 -0700
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          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 19:49 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2017-07-13 20:17 +0000
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 21:42 +0000
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 15:47 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-13 20:53 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:05 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:25 -0700
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:58 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:54 +0000
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 15:18 -0400
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 20:00 +0000
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 17:53 -0700
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 11:42 -0400
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#468874

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2017-07-16 14:06 -0600
Message-ID<et1vavF44iuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#468646
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>How much better, faster, and cheaper has the pencil become since it's
>invention in the 16th century?

Pencils that don't need to be sharpened are only about a century old.
(Electronics company Sharp started that way.)

When I was a kid, my mother had one that cost $18 and took a minute or
so to withdraw a new lead into its body.  Other than lacking the
magnet (hers could be stuck onto stuff for convenient access), better
pencils are now about the price of six wooden pencils.  I haven't
sharpened a pencil other than on an "emergency" basis for 45 years.

Pencils were a nickel when I was a kid and a dime now.  Since I was a
kid, the value of that dime has decreased tenfold.  So pencils are now
five times cheaper than in the sixties.  I assume technology did it.
(Perhaps containerized TRANSPORT technology to bring us the product of
chinese semi-slaves.)
-- 
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#468884

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-16 20:29 +0000
Message-ID<1vus3e-3g8.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468874
In sci.physics Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>How much better, faster, and cheaper has the pencil become since it's
>>invention in the 16th century?
> 
> Pencils that don't need to be sharpened are only about a century old.
> (Electronics company Sharp started that way.)

They are a different thing but they haven't changed much since invention
either.

> When I was a kid, my mother had one that cost $18 and took a minute or
> so to withdraw a new lead into its body.  Other than lacking the
> magnet (hers could be stuck onto stuff for convenient access), better
> pencils are now about the price of six wooden pencils.  I haven't
> sharpened a pencil other than on an "emergency" basis for 45 years.
> 
> Pencils were a nickel when I was a kid and a dime now.  Since I was a
> kid, the value of that dime has decreased tenfold.  So pencils are now
> five times cheaper than in the sixties.  I assume technology did it.
> (Perhaps containerized TRANSPORT technology to bring us the product of
> chinese semi-slaves.)

Mass production in huge quantities by automated traditional manufacturing
techniques and cheap shipping from China.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#468597

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-07-15 04:05 -0700
Message-ID<abee1ee5-ab98-46dd-9a4e-ae85c82e8407@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#468561
On Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:31:11 UTC+1, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> > In article <hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> > says...
> >> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
> > 
> > This is quite simply bullshit.  Aluminum used to be so damn expensive 
> > that the tip of the Washington Monument is made of the stuff.  Now it's 
> > do damn cheap that beer cans and soda cans are made of it.  Why?  
> > Because the technology used to make it literally changed.  But don't 
> > take my word for it:
> > 
> > http://www.aluminum.org/aluminum-advantage/history-aluminum
> 
> Yes, it changed about a hundred years ago and has not change significantly
> since then.
> 
> The name for this phenomena is "mature technology".

I've already explained one of the ways how that doesn't stop it getting cheaper. There are others too, such as business getting ever more financially efficient over time.


> > I'm not an expert on plastic prices, but it sure seems like kids these 
> > days have a lot more, and bigger, damn cheap plastic toys than when I 
> > grew up.  Hell, even some storage sheds are made of the stuff today.  I 
> > sure don't remember any plastic storage sheds when I was a kid.
> 
> Again, mature technology.
> 
> >> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
> > 
> > The speed of any casting, injection, machining, and etc. method is too 
> > so I don't see your point.  Besides, these things are computer 
> > controlled, so you can start printing and come back when the thing is 
> > done.  It's not like you have to babysit the thing 24/7.
> 
> The point is 3D printing is slow and basic physics says there is not
> much that can be done to speed it up significantly.

Which bit of physics prevents the use of many nozzles again?


> >> Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
> >> equipment they already own.
> > 
> > Baking bread or making biscuits from scratch is a time consuming, labor 
> > intensive, p.i.t.a.  I don't think downloading a file from the Internet 
> > and hitting "print" on the 3D printer is as difficult, but I guess 
> > that's my opinion. 
> 
> Yep, hobby printing some plastic trinket is about the same level of 
> difficulty and it is obvious you have never done any baking.

whoosh

> >> 3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
> >> you know that have one?
> >  
> > As with product you can buy, the $200 models aren't that great.  But the 
> > technology is improving every year so that better machines are becoming 
> > more affordable.  That's the trend.  Just like every other technology 
> > which goes from its infancy to maturity.  Looking at the trends in the 
> > industry (e.g. aerospace, which is what I follow) 3D printing still has 
> > not reached its full potential, IMHO.  
> 
> 3D printing is over 30 years old and getting close to being a mature
> technology for anything that would ever be used at home.

It is so far from mature technology. It's trivial to see some of the ways it can improve greatly.


NT

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#468588

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2017-07-15 00:33 -0600
Message-ID<estrakF5i88U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#468551
Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:

>Baking bread or making biscuits from scratch is a time consuming, labor 
>intensive, p.i.t.a.  I don't think downloading a file from the Internet 
>and hitting "print" on the 3D printer is as difficult, but I guess 
>that's my opinion. 

http://tinyurl.com/y8stp6jc
http://www.robinhood.ca/Recipes/Bread-Machine
-- 
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#468665

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-15 16:11 -0400
Message-ID<okdsln$vkm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#468551
In article <hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>says...
>
>> Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
>> equipment they already own.
>
>Baking bread or making biscuits from scratch is a time consuming, labor
>intensive, p.i.t.a.  I don't think downloading a file from the Internet
>and hitting "print" on the 3D printer is as difficult, but I guess
>that's my opinion.
>
>> 3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
>> you know that have one?
>
>As with product you can buy, the $200 models aren't that great.  But the
>technology is improving every year so that better machines are becoming
>more affordable.  That's the trend.  Just like every other technology
>which goes from its infancy to maturity.  Looking at the trends in the
>industry (e.g. aerospace, which is what I follow) 3D printing still has
>not reached its full potential, IMHO.
>
>Jeff

BTW, there is this new innovation:

The World's First Home Robotic Chef Can Cook Over 100 Meals.
Eustacia Huen , CONTRIBUTOR.
OCT 31, 2016 @ 11:17 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eustaciahuen/2016/10/31/the-worlds-first-home-robotic-chef-can-cook-over-100-meals/#575543397228

These robotic arms put a five-star chef in your kitchen - YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKCVol2iWcc

I'm sure quite a few people would push the button for fresh baked bread.


  Bob Clark


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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#468691

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-15 21:27 +0000
Message-ID<8vdq3e-9ts.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468665
In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
> In article <hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>says...
>>
>>> Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
>>> equipment they already own.
>>
>>Baking bread or making biscuits from scratch is a time consuming, labor
>>intensive, p.i.t.a.  I don't think downloading a file from the Internet
>>and hitting "print" on the 3D printer is as difficult, but I guess
>>that's my opinion.
>>
>>> 3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
>>> you know that have one?
>>
>>As with product you can buy, the $200 models aren't that great.  But the
>>technology is improving every year so that better machines are becoming
>>more affordable.  That's the trend.  Just like every other technology
>>which goes from its infancy to maturity.  Looking at the trends in the
>>industry (e.g. aerospace, which is what I follow) 3D printing still has
>>not reached its full potential, IMHO.
>>
>>Jeff
> 
> BTW, there is this new innovation:
> 
> The World's First Home Robotic Chef Can Cook Over 100 Meals.
> Eustacia Huen , CONTRIBUTOR.
> OCT 31, 2016 @ 11:17 PM
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/eustaciahuen/2016/10/31/the-worlds-first-home-robotic-chef-can-cook-over-100-meals/#575543397228
> 
> These robotic arms put a five-star chef in your kitchen - YouTube.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKCVol2iWcc
> 
> I'm sure quite a few people would push the button for fresh baked bread.

I'm sure that at a price of $92,000 very few people will have the 
slightest interest in it.

People that have the money to blow on such gadgets are more likely to
hire help. 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#468709

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-15 18:17 -0400
Message-ID<525lmchqeje41ncf0h5ajtigqn1c1b5lda@4ax.com>
In reply to#468665
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:11:20 -0400, "Robert Clark"
<rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:

>In article <hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>says...
>>
>>> Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
>>> equipment they already own.
>>
>>Baking bread or making biscuits from scratch is a time consuming, labor
>>intensive, p.i.t.a.  I don't think downloading a file from the Internet
>>and hitting "print" on the 3D printer is as difficult, but I guess
>>that's my opinion.
>>
>>> 3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
>>> you know that have one?
>>
>>As with product you can buy, the $200 models aren't that great.  But the
>>technology is improving every year so that better machines are becoming
>>more affordable.  That's the trend.  Just like every other technology
>>which goes from its infancy to maturity.  Looking at the trends in the
>>industry (e.g. aerospace, which is what I follow) 3D printing still has
>>not reached its full potential, IMHO.
>>
>>Jeff
>
>BTW, there is this new innovation:
>
>The World's First Home Robotic Chef Can Cook Over 100 Meals.
>Eustacia Huen , CONTRIBUTOR.
>OCT 31, 2016 @ 11:17 PM
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/eustaciahuen/2016/10/31/the-worlds-first-home-robotic-chef-can-cook-over-100-meals/#575543397228
>
>These robotic arms put a five-star chef in your kitchen - YouTube.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKCVol2iWcc
>
>I'm sure quite a few people would push the button for fresh baked bread.

How long does it take to clean after it cooks your evening meal?

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#468739

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-15 22:30 -0400
Message-ID<okeisl$p8f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#468709
>>
>>BTW, there is this new innovation:
>>
>>The World's First Home Robotic Chef Can Cook Over 100 Meals.
>>Eustacia Huen , CONTRIBUTOR.
>>OCT 31, 2016 @ 11:17 PM
>>https://www.forbes.com/sites/eustaciahuen/2016/10/31/the-worlds-first-home-robotic-chef-can-cook-over-100-meals/#575543397228
>>
>>These robotic arms put a five-star chef in your kitchen - YouTube.
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKCVol2iWcc
>>
>>I'm sure quite a few people would push the button for fresh baked bread.
>
>How long does it take to clean after it cooks your evening meal?
>

I seem to recall the promotional videos said it does it's own cleaning. 
Here's the company web page:

http://www.moley.com/

  Bob Clark


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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#468737

From"Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
Date2017-07-15 22:07 -0400
Message-ID<mZ-dnYq5FtbAV_fEnZ2dnUU7-d_NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#468448
wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>
>In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> > "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>> > news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> >>
>>> >>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> >>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Could you be any more vague?
>>> >>
>>> >>Yes.  Yes I could.
>>> >>
>>> >>Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>> >
>>> > I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>> > computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only 
>>> > need
>>> > a few major mainframes.
>>>
>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of 
>>> smart
>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and 
>>> facebook.
>>
>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>
>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>> these days.
>>
>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>
>New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.

So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of 
items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the 
material is so cheap.


>
>Printing speed is limited by basic physics.

Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are 
possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple 
heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many 
items.

And as others in this thread have pointed out, "so what". Load up your 
materials, load the file, hit print and go to bed.

>
>Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
>equipment they already own.

And yet, the industry is thriving and many people do.

>
>3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
>you know that have one?

Under $200, I don't think any of my friends are that cheap. The ones I know 
have opted for more expensive, more capable printers.

>
>>> > Which reminds me, I need to tell my friends who own 3D printers and
>> printing
>>> > parts to fix things at homes, tools, and tool holders and all manner 
>>> > of
>>> > things that I never would have thought of myself that they're wrong 
>>> > and no
>>> > one will effectively use a 3D printer at home.
>>>
>>> How many people do you know that own 3D printers?
>>
>> That's today.  We're talking about the trending of the technology.
>
>The trending of the technology for home use is anybodies guess; my guess
>is that it will be trivial and hobbiests just like the people that own
>machinery like drill presses and milling machines.
>
>>> I know about a dozen people that own things like welders, milling 
>>> machines,
>>> drill presses, and lathes but no one that owns a 3D printer.
>>>
>>> > Honestly, it's pretty damn presumptuous to claim that there's no 
>>> > future to
>>> > 3D printing at home. I suspect 10-20 years from now we'll be laughing 
>>> > at
>>> > such claims. Like computers, it will continue to improve. It'll get 
>>> > faster,
>>> > more capable, capable of using more materials, etc.
>>>
>>> Since no one in this thread has made that claim, your post is nonsense.
>>
>> That sure as hell seems to be what you're arguing.
>
>Maybe to the typical internet generation knee jerker that immediately
>responds with anger and bile to what he THINKS was said as opposed to
>what was actually said.
>

So, stop being a kneejerker.

>
>

-- 
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#468747

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-16 03:15 +0000
Message-ID<2c2r3e-gp1.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468737
In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>
>>In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>> > news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> >>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> 
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>> >
>>>> > I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>> > computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only 
>>>> > need
>>>> > a few major mainframes.
>>>>
>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of 
>>>> smart
>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and 
>>>> facebook.
>>>
>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>
>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>> these days.
>>>
>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>
>>New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
> 
> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of 
> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the 
> material is so cheap.

So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking. 
 
>>Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
> 
> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are 
> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple 
> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many 
> items.

As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
"hardening" time.

> And as others in this thread have pointed out, "so what". Load up your 
> materials, load the file, hit print and go to bed.

As I have already said many times such is irrelevant for hobby applications.

>>Most people can not be bothered to make their own bread or biscuits on
>>equipment they already own.
> 
> And yet, the industry is thriving and many people do.

The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
few people do.

>>3D printers for home use are already less than $200; how many people do
>>you know that have one?
> 
> Under $200, I don't think any of my friends are that cheap. The ones I know 
> have opted for more expensive, more capable printers.

The fact that someone you know paid more than $200 for a 3D printer is
irrelvant to the fact that such can be had for under $200.

>>>> > Which reminds me, I need to tell my friends who own 3D printers and
>>> printing
>>>> > parts to fix things at homes, tools, and tool holders and all manner 
>>>> > of
>>>> > things that I never would have thought of myself that they're wrong 
>>>> > and no
>>>> > one will effectively use a 3D printer at home.
>>>>
>>>> How many people do you know that own 3D printers?
>>>
>>> That's today.  We're talking about the trending of the technology.
>>
>>The trending of the technology for home use is anybodies guess; my guess
>>is that it will be trivial and hobbiests just like the people that own
>>machinery like drill presses and milling machines.
>>
>>>> I know about a dozen people that own things like welders, milling 
>>>> machines,
>>>> drill presses, and lathes but no one that owns a 3D printer.
>>>>
>>>> > Honestly, it's pretty damn presumptuous to claim that there's no 
>>>> > future to
>>>> > 3D printing at home. I suspect 10-20 years from now we'll be laughing 
>>>> > at
>>>> > such claims. Like computers, it will continue to improve. It'll get 
>>>> > faster,
>>>> > more capable, capable of using more materials, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Since no one in this thread has made that claim, your post is nonsense.
>>>
>>> That sure as hell seems to be what you're arguing.
>>
>>Maybe to the typical internet generation knee jerker that immediately
>>responds with anger and bile to what he THINKS was said as opposed to
>>what was actually said.
>>
> 
> So, stop being a kneejerker.
 
I'm not the one with panties in a wad because 3D printers are not being
properly worshipped.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#468755

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-16 07:16 +0100
Message-ID<9pidnZsjhflImfbEnZ2dnUU78cnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#468747
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>
>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>> smart
>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>> facebook.
>>>>
>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>
>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>
>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>
>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>> material is so cheap.
>
> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>
>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>
>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>> items.
>
> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
> "hardening" time.

We're nowhere near those limits yet.
"The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the 
Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs 
of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."


> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
> few people do.

Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also 
appears to be non-linear.

But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or 
TV sets?

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#468836

FromSerg io <invaalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-16 11:45 -0500
Message-ID<okg57c$1b9j$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#468755
On 7/16/2017 1:16 AM, David Mitchell wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, 
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>>>>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll 
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>> smart
>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  
>>>>> There
>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of 
>>>>> those"
>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, 
>>>>> cell
>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're 
>>>>> cheaper,
>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>
>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>
>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>> material is so cheap.
>>
>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw 
>> material
>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.

>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>
>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>> items.
>>
>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>> "hardening" time.
> 
> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed 
> car, the Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate 
> of up to 38 lbs of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine 
> currently on the market."
> 

what is the material it is made from? Polyethylene?
Milk Bottle Plastic ?
crash safety ?
leave it out in the hot sun in Aridzona in the summer ??

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#468843

Fromedward.ming.lee@gmail.com
Date2017-07-16 10:35 -0700
Message-ID<568b16fa-8b0d-4e3e-bd22-8e0b0cf6f6dd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#468836
On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:45:41 AM UTC-7, Serg io wrote:
> On 7/16/2017 1:16 AM, David Mitchell wrote:
> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
> >> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
> >>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, 
> >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
> >>>>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
> >>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll 
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
> >>>>>> smart
> >>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
> >>>>>> facebook.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
> >>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of 
> >>>>> those"
> >>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
> >>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
> >>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
> >>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
> >>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
> >>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, 
> >>>>> cell
> >>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
> >>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
> >>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're 
> >>>>> cheaper,
> >>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
> >>>>> these days.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
> >>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
> >>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
> >>>>
> >>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
> >>>
> >>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
> >>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
> >>> material is so cheap.
> >>
> >> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw 
> >> material
> >> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
> >> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
> 
> >>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
> >>>
> >>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
> >>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
> >>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
> >>> items.
> >>
> >> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
> >> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
> >> "hardening" time.
> > 
> > We're nowhere near those limits yet.
> > "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed 
> > car, the Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate 
> > of up to 38 lbs of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine 
> > currently on the market."
> > 
> 
> what is the material it is made from? Polyethylene?
> Milk Bottle Plastic ?
> crash safety ?
> leave it out in the hot sun in Aridzona in the summer ??

Most 3D materials come in wire spools.  So, it is too flexible for any practical purpose, other than just demo prototypes.  We might try to feed it with harder plastic, with a custom melter/feeder.

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#468852

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-16 18:13 +0000
Message-ID<tums3e-me7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468836
In sci.physics Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 7/16/2017 1:16 AM, David Mitchell wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, 
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>>>>>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of 
>>>>>> those"
>>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, 
>>>>>> cell
>>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're 
>>>>>> cheaper,
>>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>>> material is so cheap.
>>>
>>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw 
>>> material
>>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
> 
>>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>>
>>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>>> items.
>>>
>>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>>> "hardening" time.
>> 
>> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed 
>> car, the Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate 
>> of up to 38 lbs of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine 
>> currently on the market."
>> 
> 
> what is the material it is made from? Polyethylene?
> Milk Bottle Plastic ?
> crash safety ?
> leave it out in the hot sun in Aridzona in the summer ??

Fully recyclable thermoplastic so you can grind up your $30,000 golf
cart when you are done playing with it.

The printing speed is achieved by using thick layers which makes the finish
horrible. Check out the finish in the photo near the end.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strati_(automobile)


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#468937

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-16 16:33 -0700
Message-ID<9rtnmcdb8g2vci3eoc6oql0g3nvhpim89d@4ax.com>
In reply to#468836
Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 7/16/2017 1:16 AM, David Mitchell wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, 
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" 
>>>>>>> <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of 
>>>>>> those"
>>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, 
>>>>>> cell
>>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're 
>>>>>> cheaper,
>>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>>> material is so cheap.
>>>
>>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw 
>>> material
>>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>
>>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>>
>>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>>> items.
>>>
>>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>>> "hardening" time.
>> 
>> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed 
>> car, the Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate 
>> of up to 38 lbs of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine 
>> currently on the market."
>> 
>
>what is the material it is made from? Polyethylene?
>Milk Bottle Plastic ?
>crash safety ?
>leave it out in the hot sun in Aridzona in the summer ??
>

Again, SpaceX 3-D prints rocket engine combustion chambers and
turbopump parts.  I think it will stand up to Arizona in the summer if
it will stand up to rocket exhaust.


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#468851

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-16 18:09 +0000
Message-ID<gnms3e-me7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468755
In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>> smart
>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>
>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>
>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>> material is so cheap.
>>
>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>>
>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>
>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>> items.
>>
>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>> "hardening" time.
> 
> We're nowhere near those limits yet.

The whooshing sound you hear is the point and all it's details going
over you head.

> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the 
> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs 
> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
> 

The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
abomination.

>> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
>> few people do.
> 
> Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also 
> appears to be non-linear.
> 
> But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or 
> TV sets?

Do you understand the difference between hobby and professional?
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#468970

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-17 06:11 +0100
Message-ID<l-ydnXmFxpSd2vHEnZ2dnUU78dvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#468851
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>>> material is so cheap.
>>>
>>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
>>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>>>
>>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>>
>>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>>> items.
>>>
>>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>>> "hardening" time.
>>
>> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
>
> The whooshing sound you hear is the point and all it's details going
> over you head.

Not really - for example, if we're not at the limits of layer hardening time, 
then we can use multiple print heads, multiplying the print rate.
I thought that was apparent, apparently I needed to explain it.

>
>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the
>> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs
>> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
>>
>
> The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
> abomination.

Not the point, remember the whole "mature technology" thing?
If we can do that *now*, imagine what we'll be able to do in 30 years time.

>
>>> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
>>> few people do.
>>
>> Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also
>> appears to be non-linear.
>>
>> But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or
>> TV sets?
>
> Do you understand the difference between hobby and professional?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by ignoring those stats.

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#469049

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-17 16:46 +0000
Message-ID<396v3e-s4g.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#468970
In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>>>> material is so cheap.
>>>>
>>>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
>>>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>>>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>>>>
>>>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>>>> items.
>>>>
>>>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>>>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>>>> "hardening" time.
>>>
>>> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
>>
>> The whooshing sound you hear is the point and all it's details going
>> over you head.
> 
> Not really - for example, if we're not at the limits of layer hardening time, 
> then we can use multiple print heads, multiplying the print rate.
> I thought that was apparent, apparently I needed to explain it.

But we are at those limits as well as how fast we can lay down a layer
without slopping it around.

Did you think the issue is how fast a stepper motor goes or how fast you
can squeeze something out of a nozzle?

>>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the
>>> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs
>>> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
>>>
>>
>> The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
>> abomination.
> 
> Not the point, remember the whole "mature technology" thing?
> If we can do that *now*, imagine what we'll be able to do in 30 years time.

Yes, it is the whole point.

They get speed by using thick layers as there is no other way to do it. This
results in a crap finish.

And this IS an industrial grade printer.

>>>> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
>>>> few people do.
>>>
>>> Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also
>>> appears to be non-linear.
>>>
>>> But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or
>>> TV sets?
>>
>> Do you understand the difference between hobby and professional?
> 
> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by ignoring those stats.

Obviously. 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#469110

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-17 22:24 +0100
Message-ID<b5KdnZLnd7yPtvDEnZ2dnUU78VPNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#469049
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> wrote:
>>>>>> wrote in message news:hjan3e-dhi.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <nonk3e-pk9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "David Mitchell"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal
>>>>>>>>>> computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> a few major mainframes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of
>>>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>>>> phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and
>>>>>>>>> facebook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The original point was that the original "personal computers" were
>>>>>>>> hideously expensive, very hard to use, and didn't do a whole lot.  There
>>>>>>>> absolutely were a lot of people who said "I'll never need one of those"
>>>>>>>> back in the early 1980s.  Yet they can be found (in desktop or laptop
>>>>>>>> form) in the vast majority of houses in the US because the price
>>>>>>>> dropped, they became much easier to use, and they could do a lot more
>>>>>>>> (i.e. high speed Internet versus acoustic modems and BBSes),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides, smart phones prove the point AGAIN!  When the original Apple
>>>>>>>> iPhone came out, it didn't have it's "killer app" which was the App
>>>>>>>> Store, so the orignal wasn't terribly functional.  On top of that, cell
>>>>>>>> data service at the time was slow, slow, slow, so even surfing the
>>>>>>>> Internet was painful with these new "smart phones".  But again, the
>>>>>>>> majority of phones I see today are now "smart phones".  They're cheaper,
>>>>>>>> more functional (more apps), and the cell data networks are quite good
>>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New technologies keep getting cheaper and more accessible for
>>>>>>>> individuals to use all the time!  It's a pretty safe bet that the very
>>>>>>>> same thing will happen with 3D printing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New technologies will not make aluminum or plastic cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what? They don't need to be cheaper. People literally buy millions of
>>>>>> items made out of aluminum and plastic every day and throw them out, the
>>>>>> material is so cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the raw material for 3D printing is more expensive than the raw material
>>>>> for legacy fabrication methods and my response was to the two sentences
>>>>> above mine. Try reading them before knee jerking.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Printing speed is limited by basic physics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such as? Seriously, you don't think new technologies and concepts are
>>>>>> possible?  Heck, if nothing else, you can design printers with multiple
>>>>>> heads if you want to. Bam, you've nearly doubled printing speed for many
>>>>>> items.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have already said many times accuracy is directly related to layer
>>>>> thickness and layer application delay is directly related to layer
>>>>> "hardening" time.
>>>>
>>>> We're nowhere near those limits yet.
>>>
>>> The whooshing sound you hear is the point and all it's details going
>>> over you head.
>>
>> Not really - for example, if we're not at the limits of layer hardening time,
>> then we can use multiple print heads, multiplying the print rate.
>> I thought that was apparent, apparently I needed to explain it.
>
> But we are at those limits as well as how fast we can lay down a layer
> without slopping it around.
>
> Did you think the issue is how fast a stepper motor goes or how fast you
> can squeeze something out of a nozzle?

First of all, there are other technologies, the second of the new printers I 
posted uses one of them.

Second, even something as simple as adding more print heads would multiply the 
printing speed, as I've explained twice now.

>
>>>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the
>>>> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs
>>>> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
>>> abomination.
>>
>> Not the point, remember the whole "mature technology" thing?
>> If we can do that *now*, imagine what we'll be able to do in 30 years time.
>
> Yes, it is the whole point.
>
> They get speed by using thick layers as there is no other way to do it. This
> results in a crap finish.

Simply not true, see my points above.

>
> And this IS an industrial grade printer.

So?
The first ordinary printers were "industrial", and now we have better ones in homes.
What's your point?

>
>>>>> The industry for both consumer and industrial 3D printers is tiny and
>>>>> few people do.
>>>>
>>>> Sales of 400,000 last year, projected sales of 1.2 million this one.  Also
>>>> appears to be non-linear.
>>>>
>>>> But that it's tiny now is irrelevant.  How many people had early telephones?  Or
>>>> TV sets?
>>>
>>> Do you understand the difference between hobby and professional?
>>
>> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by ignoring those stats.
>
> Obviously.

And yet here you are, not explaining it.
Perhaps you don't have one.

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#469123

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-17 21:53 +0000
Message-ID<e7ov3e-52i.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#469110
In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>> Not really - for example, if we're not at the limits of layer hardening time,
>>> then we can use multiple print heads, multiplying the print rate.
>>> I thought that was apparent, apparently I needed to explain it.
>>
>> But we are at those limits as well as how fast we can lay down a layer
>> without slopping it around.
>>
>> Did you think the issue is how fast a stepper motor goes or how fast you
>> can squeeze something out of a nozzle?
> 
> First of all, there are other technologies, the second of the new printers I 
> posted uses one of them.

All the technologies squirt out something that has liquid properties and
then is hardened somehow, all of them.

There are no Star Trek replicators where a complete object forms out of
thin air.

> Second, even something as simple as adding more print heads would multiply the 
> printing speed, as I've explained twice now.

What part of we are already at the limit of deposition rate is it you can not
grasp?

>>>>> "The BAAM was used to manufacture the first (almost) fully 3D printed car, the
>>>>> Strati, for together with Local Motors. With a deposition rate of up to 38 lbs
>>>>> of material per hour, it is possibly the fastest machine currently on the market."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Strati is little more than a $30,000 golf cart and the finish is an
>>>> abomination.
>>>
>>> Not the point, remember the whole "mature technology" thing?
>>> If we can do that *now*, imagine what we'll be able to do in 30 years time.
>>
>> Yes, it is the whole point.
>>
>> They get speed by using thick layers as there is no other way to do it. This
>> results in a crap finish.
> 
> Simply not true, see my points above.

Yes, it is true. Look at the pictures of the thing and read the companies
own press releases.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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