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OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 15:55 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 22:21 +0100
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-06-02 15:45 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-06-02 16:29 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-06-02 19:39 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 20:18 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-06-03 11:01 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-02 16:57 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-06-02 17:05 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-02 17:13 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:15 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-06-03 12:25 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-03 17:49 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-06-02 18:43 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-02 18:50 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-06-02 23:00 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-03 07:47 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 14:47 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 17:56 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-03 20:36 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-03 17:53 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 21:15 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-06-04 04:35 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-04 06:52 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-06-04 08:07 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-04 11:13 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-04 20:24 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 12:31 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-04 17:04 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-04 20:15 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 12:28 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-06-04 10:40 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 13:58 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-04 20:29 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-04 10:38 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-04 20:40 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-06-05 11:58 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2017-06-03 00:33 +0000
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-06-02 18:08 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-02 18:17 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 14:45 -0700
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 17:59 -0400
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-06-04 06:17 -0800
Re: OT: Nothing to Worry About? krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-04 10:38 -0400
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 15:55 -0400 |
| Subject | OT: Nothing to Worry About? |
| Message-ID | <ogsflg$eb2$2@dont-email.me> |
As long as you aren't a corral reef. https://xkcd.com/1379/ -- Rick C
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| From | JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 22:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ogskmh$ds$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #462742 |
On 02/06/2017 20:55, rickman wrote: > As long as you aren't a corral reef. > > https://xkcd.com/1379/ > https://www.dropbox.com/s/egde6kydl9e97e5/gw.jpg?dl=0
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| From | John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 15:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <m-OdnRdHWfAAd6zEnZ2dnUU7-cvNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #462742 |
On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: > As long as you aren't a corral reef. > > https://xkcd.com/1379/ > Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 John
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 16:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nds3jc1ve7ga3p3gk1bqig15afg92iv1jn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462759 |
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote: >On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: >> As long as you aren't a corral reef. >> >> https://xkcd.com/1379/ >> > >Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 > >John Fun! http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or gluten or russians maybe. The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 19:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <GGmYA.40632$Kr.35621@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #462773 |
On 06/02/2017 07:29 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> >> Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> John > > Fun! > > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 > > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 > > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 > > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 > > > Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work > on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or > gluten or russians maybe. > > The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing > for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > > Oh. Well that settles it, then. Wait...what has been settled, exactly?
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 20:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ogsv2i$vlr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #462776 |
bitrex wrote on 6/2/2017 7:39 PM: > On 06/02/2017 07:29 PM, John Larkin wrote: > >>> >>> Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: >>> >>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 >>> >>> >>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 >>> >>> >>> John >> >> Fun! >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 >> >> >> >> Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work >> on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or >> gluten or russians maybe. >> >> The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing >> for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. >> >> > > Oh. Well that settles it, then. > > Wait...what has been settled, exactly? That John Larkin doesn't understand science or statistics. He seems to have a good grasp on the things he has been doing for some thirty years, but can't seem to assimilate any new data or even understand the nature of data in many cases. He often acknowledges his lack of understanding of math which is what is required to properly analyze temperature trends. Pretty funny that he picks a temperature graph for San Francisco which rather clearly shows the last 4 years to have the highest summer maximum and the highest winter minimum temperatures on the entire graph of almost 40 years. Normally the warming trend is so small it is hard to see amidst the annual fluctuations of 50 degrees. But John was nice enough to pick one which was the extreme and rather clearly shows the warming trend as best such a graph can. -- Rick C
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 11:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TaAYA.8049$644.439@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #462792 |
On 06/02/2017 08:18 PM, rickman wrote: >> Oh. Well that settles it, then. >> >> Wait...what has been settled, exactly? > > That John Larkin doesn't understand science or statistics. > > He seems to have a good grasp on the things he has been doing for some > thirty years, but can't seem to assimilate any new data or even > understand the nature of data in many cases. He often acknowledges his > lack of understanding of math which is what is required to properly > analyze temperature trends. > > Pretty funny that he picks a temperature graph for San Francisco which > rather clearly shows the last 4 years to have the highest summer maximum > and the highest winter minimum temperatures on the entire graph of > almost 40 years. Normally the warming trend is so small it is hard to > see amidst the annual fluctuations of 50 degrees. But John was nice > enough to pick one which was the extreme and rather clearly shows the > warming trend as best such a graph can. > It seems like just an example of the ergodic theory where if you, say, long-term average the monthly temperature of a single point on the globe with the same latitude and altitude you're likely to get the short-term average of all similar points. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergodic_theory#Ergodic_theorems> Kinda interesting, AFAIK it has certainly not been conclusively proved that climate is an ergodic system but some data may be "good enough for rock and roll", but as the kids say these days - "not really relevant." <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqCcJkRcvaU>
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 16:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlu3jc9ukd42l5fb8ksli7uao9pe2i9kb9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462773 |
On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef.
>>>
>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/
>>>
>>
>>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise:
>>
>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017
>>
>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017
>>
>>John
>
>Fun!
>
>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017
>
>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017
>
>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017
>
>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017
>
>
>Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work
>on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or
>gluten or russians maybe.
>
>The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing
>for millenia. We're just looking harder at them.
Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced
elsewhere on the "continent".
BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected
99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix
area.
...Jim Thompson
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 17:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <15v3jcd3vnvfkcmr54butnkfqbs3is9oqr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462781 |
On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:57:00 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: >>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. >>>> >>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ >>>> >>> >>>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: >>> >>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 >>> >>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 >>> >>>John >> >>Fun! >> >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 >> >> >>Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work >>on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or >>gluten or russians maybe. >> >>The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing >>for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > >Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced >elsewhere on the "continent". > >BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected >99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix >area. > > ...Jim Thompson I actually walked to the taco truck in a tee shirt today... no sweater or parka. But I'm a hardy soul. It's 63F this instant. Scorcher. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 17:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2lv3jcpu7sg6cthsa2epege5is3t4f6mmn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462788 |
On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:05:55 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:57:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin
>><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017
>>>>
>>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>>Fun!
>>>
>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>>
>>>Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work
>>>on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or
>>>gluten or russians maybe.
>>>
>>>The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing
>>>for millenia. We're just looking harder at them.
>>
>>Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced
>>elsewhere on the "continent".
>>
>>BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected
>>99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix
>>area.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>I actually walked to the taco truck in a tee shirt today... no sweater
>or parka. But I'm a hardy soul.
>
>It's 63F this instant. Scorcher.
Probably more uncomfortable than our 99°F/10% humidity.
...Jim Thompson
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"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
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| From | bill.sloman@ieee.org |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 18:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <48e8499b-d8eb-4d62-9b65-e4f67825f575@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462781 |
On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:57:08 AM UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: > > >On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> > >wrote: > > > >>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: > >>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. > >>> > >>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ > >>> > >> > >>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: > >> > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 > >> > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 > >> > >>John > > > >Fun! > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 > > > > > >Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work > >on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or > >gluten or russians maybe. > > > >The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing > >for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > > Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced > elsewhere on the "continent". https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses That's not what the GRACE satellites are saying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Recovery_and_Climate_Experiment The first survey measured the position of the top of the ice sheet, while the GRACE satellites measure the mass of the ice sheets. As Hansen has pointed out, the interesting thing about the East Antarctic ice sheet isn't how fast it is growing or shrinking, but how fast it is sliding off into the ocean. Sea level rise tends to happen quickly, when ice sheets start sliding off fast, and in big chunks. That isn't happening in the Antarctic at the moment - what is happening is that the floating ice sheets around the continent are breaking up and floating away, removing th dam that was slowing down the glacial flows inland. > BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected > 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix > area. So what? -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 12:25 -0700 |
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On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:57:08 AM UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin > > <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> > > >wrote: > > > > > >>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: > > >>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. > > >>> > > >>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ > > >>> > > >> > > >>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: > > >> > > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 > > >> > > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 > > >> > > >>John > > > > > >Fun! > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 > > > > > > > > >Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work > > >on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or > > >gluten or russians maybe. > > > > > >The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing > > >for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > > > > Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced > > elsewhere on the "continent". > > https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses > > That's not what the GRACE satellites are saying. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Recovery_and_Climate_Experiment > > The first survey measured the position of the top of the ice sheet, while the GRACE satellites measure the mass of the ice sheets. > > As Hansen has pointed out, the interesting thing about the East Antarctic ice sheet isn't how fast it is growing or shrinking, but how fast it is sliding off into the ocean. Sea level rise tends to happen quickly, when ice sheets start sliding off fast, and in big chunks. That isn't happening in the Antarctic at the moment - what is happening is that the floating ice sheets around the continent are breaking up and floating away, removing th dam that was slowing down the glacial flows inland. This brings with it the danger of trapped methane release: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6341/948 > > > BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected > > 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix > > area. > > So what? > > -- > Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | bill.sloman@ieee.org |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 17:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <78ec79c5-4513-42cc-b679-e99b7a6a0e26@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462878 |
On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 5:25:06 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:57:08 AM UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote: > > > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin > > > <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: > > > > > > >On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: > > > >>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. > > > >>> > > > >>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: > > > >> > > > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 > > > >> > > > >>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > >> > > > >>John > > > > > > > >Fun! > > > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 > > > > > > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 > > > > > > > > > > > >Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work > > > >on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or > > > >gluten or russians maybe. > > > > > > > >The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing > > > >for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > > > > > > Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced > > > elsewhere on the "continent". > > > > https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses > > > > That's not what the GRACE satellites are saying. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Recovery_and_Climate_Experiment > > > > The first survey measured the position of the top of the ice sheet, while the GRACE satellites measure the mass of the ice sheets. > > > > As Hansen has pointed out, the interesting thing about the East Antarctic ice sheet isn't how fast it is growing or shrinking, but how fast it is sliding off into the ocean. Sea level rise tends to happen quickly, when ice sheets start sliding off fast, and in big chunks. That isn't happening in the Antarctic at the moment - what is happening is that the floating ice sheets around the continent are breaking up and floating away, removing th dam that was slowing down the glacial flows inland. > > This brings with it the danger of trapped methane release: > http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6341/948 So far, nobody has talked about methane hydrates in the Antarctic regions. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 18:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <08-dnWviaoy3ia_EnZ2dnUU7-dnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #462781 |
On 2017/06/02 4:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: >>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. >>>> >>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ >>>> >>> >>> Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: >>> >>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 >>> >>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 >>> >>> John >> >> Fun! >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 >> >> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 >> >> >> Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work >> on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or >> gluten or russians maybe. >> >> The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing >> for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. > > Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced > elsewhere on the "continent". > > BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected > 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix > area. > > ...Jim Thompson > Your weatherman may need to get an update it was 1990 (close): http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USAZ0166 And according to this next site the majority of high temperature records were still made in the 1930s or earlier. http://www.keno.org/vws/weather_records_2.htm John
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 18:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1f54jcpoe50d0p3orrjshc6c7vsal3ncmm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462815 |
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:43:06 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:
>On 2017/06/02 4:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> Fun!
>>>
>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017
>>>
>>>
>>> Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work
>>> on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or
>>> gluten or russians maybe.
>>>
>>> The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing
>>> for millenia. We're just looking harder at them.
>>
>> Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced
>> elsewhere on the "continent".
>>
>> BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected
>> 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix
>> area.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>
>Your weatherman may need to get an update it was 1990 (close):
>
>http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USAZ0166
>
>And according to this next site the majority of high temperature records
>were still made in the 1930s or earlier.
>
>http://www.keno.org/vws/weather_records_2.htm
>
>John
I can recall 124°F in 1962 :-(
...Jim Thompson
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| From | John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 23:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <yLidnYK2HKoIza_EnZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #462818 |
On 2017/06/02 6:50 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:43:06 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> > wrote: > >> On 2017/06/02 4:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 16:29:10 -0700, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:45:49 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2017/06/02 12:55 PM, rickman wrote: >>>>>> As long as you aren't a corral reef. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://xkcd.com/1379/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interesting, of course the actual data shows otherwise: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature++vancouver+bc+canada+1980+-+2017 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+york+ny+usa+1980+-+2017 >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> >>>> Fun! >>>> >>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+san+francisco+usa+1980+-+2017 >>>> >>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+truckee+usa+1980+-+2017 >>>> >>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+new+orleans+usa+1980+-+2017 >>>> >>>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+temperature+dublin+ireland+1980+-+2017 >>>> >>>> >>>> Not much going on! We can stop panicking about warming now, and work >>>> on some other terrifying phobias with our therapists. Spiders or >>>> gluten or russians maybe. >>>> >>>> The coral reefs are probably doing the same things they've been doing >>>> for millenia. We're just looking harder at them. >>> >>> Just like Antarctica, the ice isn't just melting, it's being replaced >>> elsewhere on the "continent". >>> >>> BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected >>> 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix >>> area. >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >> >> Your weatherman may need to get an update it was 1990 (close): >> >> http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=USAZ0166 >> >> And according to this next site the majority of high temperature records >> were still made in the 1930s or earlier. >> >> http://www.keno.org/vws/weather_records_2.htm >> >> John > > I can recall 124°F in 1962 :-( > > ...Jim Thompson > I bet you don't remember the temperature in the 1930s. A lot of this is subjective after all. John
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 07:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jsi5jcph9ubjm07o3nv850o6pegu5b80ha@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462824 |
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 23:00:53 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:
>On 2017/06/02 6:50 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:43:06 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
>> wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> I can recall 124°F in 1962 :-(
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>
>I bet you don't remember the temperature in the 1930s.
>
>A lot of this is subjective after all.
>
>John
Obviously not, I wasn't alive yet.
The 124°F is stuck firmly in my head because it occurred the day after
I arrived in Arizona after graduation from MIT and I thought, "I've
made a horrible mistake" ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.
"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 14:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6f55d376-6ef0-404c-a26e-18baa6ed30fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462781 |
On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 4:57:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Thompson wrote: > BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected > 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix > area. Good to hear you're recognizing climate change at last. Some folk were thinking you were out of touch...
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 17:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ogvb48$ssr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #462888 |
whit3rd wrote on 6/3/2017 5:47 PM: > On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 4:57:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Thompson wrote: > >> BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected >> 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix >> area. > > Good to hear you're recognizing climate change at last. Some folk were > thinking you were out of touch... Even President Trump is no longer in denial about global warming. Like most of the other things he said on the campaign, he is going to reverse himself on this. -- Rick C
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-06-03 20:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fgl6jc1g60quev3f4hm6oq5djlo6q716b2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462889 |
On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 17:56:44 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >whit3rd wrote on 6/3/2017 5:47 PM: >> On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 4:57:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Thompson wrote: >> >>> BTW, the local weather guy just said, while reciting today's expected >>> 99°F maximum, that 1989 was the hottest year on record in the Phoenix >>> area. >> >> Good to hear you're recognizing climate change at last. Some folk were >> thinking you were out of touch... > >Even President Trump is no longer in denial about global warming. Like most >of the other things he said on the campaign, he is going to reverse himself >on this. Not if he wants to get reelected.
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