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| Started by | "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> |
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| First post | 2017-05-22 03:02 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-05-31 17:53 -0400 |
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Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-22 03:02 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-22 03:51 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 08:26 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-22 21:23 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-23 14:07 +1000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-23 12:00 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-24 08:48 +1000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-23 16:53 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 17:22 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 17:55 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 11:48 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 12:39 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-28 16:02 +1000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:46 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 11:56 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 12:43 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 21:18 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-23 03:36 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-23 07:31 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 20:02 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-23 21:07 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-24 18:50 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-22 06:25 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-22 07:13 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 08:21 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-23 00:07 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 21:22 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-25 10:40 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-25 18:03 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 14:41 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-26 09:07 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-26 14:24 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 08:38 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 10:08 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 10:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 12:15 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 12:29 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 13:41 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 16:21 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 19:05 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 19:09 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:58 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-27 06:13 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-27 05:51 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 12:11 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-27 10:12 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 13:25 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 12:13 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:57 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 21:14 +0100
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-27 19:24 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-28 07:50 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 04:55 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-28 17:57 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 19:53 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 20:15 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 08:04 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-27 21:32 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 04:13 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 06:29 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 06:46 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 07:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:18 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 14:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 09:34 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:44 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 09:49 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:59 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 10:36 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 10:58 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 12:07 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 13:22 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 13:06 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 12:26 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-28 13:44 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 13:49 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 14:05 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 14:10 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 16:22 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-28 19:37 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 18:41 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 00:36 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-29 05:22 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-29 07:50 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-30 07:44 +1000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:33 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:25 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:31 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:32 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 15:14 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 17:05 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 17:33 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 18:53 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-30 22:04 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-31 10:11 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 10:27 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-31 10:39 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:25 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 08:31 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:50 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 22:34 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 15:50 +0100
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 22:38 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:19 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 21:36 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-31 16:01 +1000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:46 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-30 21:56 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-31 05:01 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 09:03 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-31 07:09 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:23 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 10:30 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:38 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:21 +0000
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-05-31 17:00 +0200
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 08:14 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:40 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:49 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 14:30 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 15:14 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 15:25 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 16:23 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 08:03 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-30 23:27 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 12:33 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-26 10:14 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-27 06:10 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 08:11 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:53 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 08:06 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 12:13 -0400
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 16:38 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 09:37 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-31 13:50 -0500
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 12:12 -0700
Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:53 -0400
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| From | pcdhobbs@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-28 06:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a01ff797-fe6e-42ab-98c3-c8bbbdce26bb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462053 |
> If the substrate diode comes into play, it's more useful to > actually show the diode as part of the symbol. I've seen many > cases where the full-fledged classic MOSFET symbol has been > supplemented with the diode. This may be redundant,* but it > comes about because the designer knows that many aren't always > aware of the diode aspect of the substrate part of the symbol, > and he wants to be sure diode action is not overlooked. Ahem, > would right-thinking Little-Endians eschew showing the diode? As you say, it's redundant (as well as ugly). There are left-deviationists as well as right-deviationists. ;) The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one. Cheers Phil Hobbs
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-05-28 07:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ogem9d01pin@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #462067 |
pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote...
>
> The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to
> +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol
> but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one.
Yes, that's a good example. But even here, it cries
out to have the redundant diode explicitly shown.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-28 09:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fvtlicpulrhbsacco23ctkg2rkbf6tpqs8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462071 |
On 28 May 2017 07:19:25 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
>pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote...
>>
>> The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to
>> +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol
>> but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one.
>
> Yes, that's a good example. But even here, it cries
> out to have the redundant diode explicitly shown.
Required only for the cut and paste style of designer, who has no clue
how the devices actually work.
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-05-28 14:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ogfet90dfp@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #462082 |
Jim Thompson wrote...
> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote...
>>>
>>> The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to
>>> +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol
>>> but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one.
>>
>> Yes, that's a good example. But even here, it cries
>> out to have the redundant diode explicitly shown.
>
> Required only for the cut and paste style of designer,
> who has no clue how the devices actually work.
Sheesh, there are plenty, they're called customers.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-28 09:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5mulic1f4t850kidbf094q27ijtul80drg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462067 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote: >> If the substrate diode comes into play, it's more useful to >> actually show the diode as part of the symbol. I've seen many >> cases where the full-fledged classic MOSFET symbol has been >> supplemented with the diode. This may be redundant,* but it >> comes about because the designer knows that many aren't always >> aware of the diode aspect of the substrate part of the symbol, >> and he wants to be sure diode action is not overlooked. Ahem, >> would right-thinking Little-Endians eschew showing the diode? > >As you say, it's redundant (as well as ugly). There are left-deviationists as well as right-deviationists. ;) > >The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one. It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic symbol: gate protection zeners, gate series resistance, normal or avalanche-rated reverse diodes, capacitances, inductances, enhancement or depletion properties. You don't want to take the risk of forgetting any of those things. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 09:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nfvlich4cunqopgrac8k38tqv3bhgfk87a@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462083 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:34:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2017 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> If the substrate diode comes into play, it's more useful to
>>> actually show the diode as part of the symbol. I've seen many
>>> cases where the full-fledged classic MOSFET symbol has been
>>> supplemented with the diode. This may be redundant,* but it
>>> comes about because the designer knows that many aren't always
>>> aware of the diode aspect of the substrate part of the symbol,
>>> and he wants to be sure diode action is not overlooked. Ahem,
>>> would right-thinking Little-Endians eschew showing the diode?
>>
>>As you say, it's redundant (as well as ugly). There are left-deviationists as well as right-deviationists. ;)
>>
>>The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one.
>
>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts.
>
>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic
>symbol: gate protection zeners, gate series resistance, normal or
>avalanche-rated reverse diodes, capacitances, inductances, enhancement
>or depletion properties. You don't want to take the risk of forgetting
>any of those things.
You don't want the device's terminal properties properly represented?
That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly.
...Jim Thompson
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 09:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vpvlich25v440otobju9dhmfe77mvaght6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462084 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:34:11 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 28 May 2017 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> If the substrate diode comes into play, it's more useful to >>>> actually show the diode as part of the symbol. I've seen many >>>> cases where the full-fledged classic MOSFET symbol has been >>>> supplemented with the diode. This may be redundant,* but it >>>> comes about because the designer knows that many aren't always >>>> aware of the diode aspect of the substrate part of the symbol, >>>> and he wants to be sure diode action is not overlooked. Ahem, >>>> would right-thinking Little-Endians eschew showing the diode? >>> >>>As you say, it's redundant (as well as ugly). There are left-deviationists as well as right-deviationists. ;) >>> >>>The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one. >> >>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. >> >>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic >>symbol: gate protection zeners, gate series resistance, normal or >>avalanche-rated reverse diodes, capacitances, inductances, enhancement >>or depletion properties. You don't want to take the risk of forgetting >>any of those things. > >You don't want the device's terminal properties properly represented? Sure, give each mosfet its own schematic sheet. > >That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly. Do I have to give all the money back? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 09:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <de0mict22ekc152e65ndh7chji0020q770@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462086 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:49:40 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>
>>That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly.
>
>Do I have to give all the money back?
What's that supposed to mean?
...Jim Thompson
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"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 10:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hf2micds7kt64anolh1as86f7ogkfvjtbk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462088 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:59:27 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:49:40 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >[snip] >>> >>>That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly. >> >>Do I have to give all the money back? > >What's that supposed to mean? > > ...Jim Thompson It means that I've designed about $300e6 worth of gear, critical to maybe $60e9 of process, using my mosfet symbol, and it all worked, and I got paid. And I don't regret it. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ls3micljsq16mpduqrleadfuc930rglso8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462091 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 10:36:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:59:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:49:40 -0700, John Larkin
>><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly.
>>>
>>>Do I have to give all the money back?
>>
>>What's that supposed to mean?
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>It means that I've designed about $300e6 worth of gear, critical to
>maybe $60e9 of process, using my mosfet symbol, and it all worked, and
>I got paid. And I don't regret it.
I'm happy for you >:-}
...Jim Thompson
--
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 12:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4506010a-e065-4090-8a37-46e18390a493@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462091 |
On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:36:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:59:27 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > >On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:49:40 -0700, John Larkin > ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson > >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > > >[snip] > >>> > >>>That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly. > >> > >>Do I have to give all the money back? > > > >What's that supposed to mean? > It means that I've designed about $300e6 worth of gear, critical to > maybe $60e9 of process, using my mosfet symbol, and it all worked, and > I got paid. And I don't regret it. But, most of us are upset if we have to walk around with a sausage stuck to our nose. It's not a suitable way to present oneself. Nor is 'source-as-diode' a proper representation; it, too, gets in the way.
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d8cmic98s5eviie1n20hbuq3ibf6m648ku@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462100 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:36:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: >> On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:59:27 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:49:40 -0700, John Larkin >> ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> > >> >>On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson >> >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> > >> >[snip] >> >>> >> >>>That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly. >> >> >> >>Do I have to give all the money back? >> > >> >What's that supposed to mean? > >> It means that I've designed about $300e6 worth of gear, critical to >> maybe $60e9 of process, using my mosfet symbol, and it all worked, and >> I got paid. And I don't regret it. > >But, most of us are upset if we have to walk around with a sausage stuck >to our nose. It's not a suitable way to present oneself. Nor is 'source-as-diode' >a proper representation; it, too, gets in the way. Proper? Are you the Miss Manners of electronic design? A lot of gear has been sold, and a lot of books published, using the simplified mosfet symbol. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ogevrm$b9l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #462086 |
John Larkin wrote on 5/28/2017 12:49 PM: > On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:44:43 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:34:11 -0700, John Larkin >> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 28 May 2017 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>>> If the substrate diode comes into play, it's more useful to >>>>> actually show the diode as part of the symbol. I've seen many >>>>> cases where the full-fledged classic MOSFET symbol has been >>>>> supplemented with the diode. This may be redundant,* but it >>>>> comes about because the designer knows that many aren't always >>>>> aware of the diode aspect of the substrate part of the symbol, >>>>> and he wants to be sure diode action is not overlooked. Ahem, >>>>> would right-thinking Little-Endians eschew showing the diode? >>>> >>>> As you say, it's redundant (as well as ugly). There are left-deviationists as well as right-deviationists. ;) >>>> >>>> The PMOS polarity-protection circuit (gate to ground, drain to +VDD, source to load) is perfectly clear using the correct symbol but opaque using the shuffling, heel-dragging Big Endian one. >>> >>> It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. >>> >>> It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic >>> symbol: gate protection zeners, gate series resistance, normal or >>> avalanche-rated reverse diodes, capacitances, inductances, enhancement >>> or depletion properties. You don't want to take the risk of forgetting >>> any of those things. >> >> You don't want the device's terminal properties properly represented? > > Sure, give each mosfet its own schematic sheet. > >> >> That "diode" representation for the source is just ghastly. > > Do I have to give all the money back? Who *is* this silly person? -- Rick C
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| From | pcdhobbs@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 12:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f7e8716c-5185-4a18-b7c4-d607d7f105ea@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462083 |
>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. I have no interest in legislating how anyone draws schematics, except maybe people who hypothetically might work for me. I'm sure your methods keep blunders under control. For myself, I'd never draw FETs like that, because the trivial extra time investment is repaid by ease of spotting cases of synapse failure, lock-up states, and so on. >It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic >symbol: Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;) You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where. Cheers Phil Hobbs
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <okbmic1sqf4rp2in306ch09mp39obi20hg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462101 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts.
>
>I have no interest in legislating how anyone draws schematics, except maybe people who hypothetically might work for me. I'm sure your methods keep blunders under control. For myself, I'd never draw FETs like that, because the trivial extra time investment is repaid by ease of spotting cases of synapse failure, lock-up states, and so on.
>
>>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic
>>symbol:
>
>Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;)
>
>You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
As I previously posted...
"Besides, symbols are only there for human consumption, All that
matters is how the devices netlist so that simulators (or PCB
software) properly perform."
So symbolize however it rings your chime.
Those of us who have to communicate with non-in-house layout
professionals will stick to the generally recognized symbol standards.
I note that the LTspice List has degenerated from professional level
circuit simulation issues down to virtually all posts being related to
that no one can figure out how to associate a Spice device model or
subcircuit with a symbol.
Tells me a lot about the current state of electrical engineering
"education" :-(
But they'll all (maybe) be able to paste the "Picking up steam now,
maybe our book will push it a bit." symbol >:-}
...Jim Thompson
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Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.
"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j5cmic5q6ojmkbr59foab9gnfgoapoj52v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462101 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote: >>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. > >I have no interest in legislating how anyone draws schematics, except maybe people who hypothetically might work for me. I'm sure your methods keep blunders under control. For myself, I'd never draw FETs like that, because the trivial extra time investment is repaid by ease of spotting cases of synapse failure, lock-up states, and so on. > >>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic >>symbol: > >Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;) > >You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs What is this endian thing about? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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| From | Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f8bb0d50-cbc7-4709-a89b-b3cc7c330791@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462111 |
Den søndag den 28. maj 2017 kl. 22.19.50 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin: > On Sun, 28 May 2017 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote: > > >>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts. > > > >I have no interest in legislating how anyone draws schematics, except maybe people who hypothetically might work for me. I'm sure your methods keep blunders under control. For myself, I'd never draw FETs like that, because the trivial extra time investment is repaid by ease of spotting cases of synapse failure, lock-up states, and so on. > > > >>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic > >>symbol: > > > >Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;) > > > >You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where. > > > >Cheers > > > >Phil Hobbs > > What is this endian thing about? > I assume that it the discussion is about as silly as the original source of the term little-endian/big-endian "the "endian" names were drawn from Jonathan Swift's 1726 satire, Gulliver's Travels, in which civil war erupts over whether the big end or the little end of a boiled egg is the proper end to crack open"
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 13:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8sdmichnl38os8n88ruli3bhflotf3lfb2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462115 |
On Sun, 28 May 2017 13:44:54 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>Den søndag den 28. maj 2017 kl. 22.19.50 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2017 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >>It's perfectly clear to people who understand the parts.
>> >
>> >I have no interest in legislating how anyone draws schematics, except maybe people who hypothetically might work for me. I'm sure your methods keep blunders under control. For myself, I'd never draw FETs like that, because the trivial extra time investment is repaid by ease of spotting cases of synapse failure, lock-up states, and so on.
>> >
>> >>It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic
>> >>symbol:
>> >
>> >Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;)
>> >
>> >You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where.
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Phil Hobbs
>>
>> What is this endian thing about?
>>
>
>I assume that it the discussion is about as silly as the original source
>of the term little-endian/big-endian
>
>"the "endian" names were drawn from Jonathan Swift's 1726 satire, Gulliver's Travels, in which civil war erupts over whether the big end or the little end of a boiled egg is the proper end to crack open"
>
>
>
The "big endian" has the air pocket... devoid of a proper symbol >:-}
...Jim Thompson
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Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.
"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | pcdhobbs@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 14:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bc3ab939-47d3-4413-88a8-9e4d9194dc08@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462115 |
>I assume that it the discussion is about as silly as the original source >of the term little-endian/big-endian Yup. I don't think it's a first-order issue, but I do have views about it. Thus a light touch
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| From | pcdhobbs@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-28 14:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fec3340d-0b6c-4b5e-9a9c-2f2a34d9a0f8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462120 |
>>I assume that it the discussion is about as silly as the original source
>>of the term little-endian/big-endian
>Yup. I don't think it's a first-order issue, but I do have views about it. Thus a light touch
seems to be the right answer. Swift was good at that. ("Comrade Snowball" is the Trotsky character from George Orwell's "Animal Farm".)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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