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  pricing John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:59 -0700
    Re: pricing Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-03-28 09:11 -0700
    Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-28 09:34 -0700
    Re: pricing Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-28 12:05 -0500
      Re: pricing Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-28 14:52 -0400
      Re: pricing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-29 10:54 +0200
    Re: pricing Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-28 12:14 -0500
      Re: pricing bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-28 16:01 -0400
    Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-28 18:19 +0100
    Re: pricing tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 11:58 -0700
    pricing klaus.kragelund@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 12:02 -0700
      Re: pricing John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-28 12:24 -0700
      Re: pricing John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 13:06 -0700
        Re: pricing Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-28 14:15 -0700
          Re: pricing Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-28 14:18 -0700
          Re: pricing John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 15:44 -0700
            Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-28 22:39 -0400
              Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-30 17:53 +0200
                Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 09:12 -0700
                  Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:29 -0400
                    Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 17:57 -0700
                      Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 21:11 -0400
                        Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:36 -0700
                  Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 08:32 +0200
                    Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 08:36 +0100
                      Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 09:57 +0200
                        Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 09:42 +0100
                      Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 05:30 -0400
                        Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 12:04 +0100
                        Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-31 10:36 -0700
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:28 -0400
                  Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 08:41 +0200
                    Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 20:20 -0400
      Re: pricing Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 21:21 -0500
    Re: pricing Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-28 12:39 -0700
    Re: pricing doh@yipee.com - 2017-03-29 12:31 -0700
    Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-30 17:47 +0200
      Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:03 +0100
        Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:34 -0400
          Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 09:20 +0100
            Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 20:25 -0400
        Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:47 -0700
          Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 23:45 -0400
            Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 21:45 -0700
              Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-31 15:55 +1100
              Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 01:30 -0400
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:30 -0400
            Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-30 16:07 +1100
              Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 10:11 +0200
              Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:20 +0100
                Re: pricing Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-31 20:41 +0000
              Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:27 -0400
                Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-04-01 14:30 +1100
                  Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 23:43 -0400
                    Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-04-01 18:15 +1100
                      Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-01 09:46 -0400
            Re: pricing "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-03 01:32 -0400
              Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-03 12:55 -0400
          Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 10:05 +0200
            Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:21 +0100
              Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:31 -0400
            Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:10 +0100
    Re: pricing Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2017-03-31 00:21 +0000

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#453999 — pricing

Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.

I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#454002

On 3/28/2017 8:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
>
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.
>
>


Don't you know that they are trying to "help you"?  LOL

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#454005

Den tirsdag den 28. marts 2017 kl. 17.59.26 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
> 
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.

I'm guessing it is similar to how the Wells Fargo scandal started  
someone decided that everyones pay and job should be determined solely
by how many names they can put on a list

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#454006

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:59:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
> 
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.

Tell them that right before you hang up.  It's how you influence their 
behavior.

-- 
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work!  See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#454022

On 03/28/2017 01:05 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:59:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
> 
>> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
>> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
>> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
>> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
>>
>> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.
> 
> Tell them that right before you hang up.  It's how you influence their 
> behavior.
> 

Snail mail to the CEO is also good.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#454103

On 28/03/17 19:05, Tim Wescott wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:59:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
> 
>> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
>> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
>> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
>> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
>>
>> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.
> 
> Tell them that right before you hang up.  It's how you influence their 
> behavior.
> 

You are only going to be a serious influence if you had been planning on
buying a lot of the stuff.  And if you had been planning that, you would
already be calling to discuss prices to argue for a rebate, even if the
prices were published.

Like everyone else, I always prefer to see prices as early as possible.
 And for off-the-shelf parts, it is particularly annoying.

But many things are not sold off-the-shelf - the cost for the
manufacturer can be a complex calculation, and the cost to the customer
may reflect that.

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#454007

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:59:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
> 
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.

Distributor and rep agreements can get byzantine.  Some of the folderol 
could well come from the company in question having an agreement with its 
reps and/or distributors that force it to steer sales to certain reps by 
volume or industry, or they know that certain reps are better with small-
volume sales, etc.

But, yes, saying "clearly you don't want to sell to me, I'll find a 
manufacturer who will" and then hanging up may be effective in the long 
term.

-- 
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work!  See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#454033

On 03/28/2017 01:14 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:59:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
>> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
>> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
>> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
>>
>> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.
>
> Distributor and rep agreements can get byzantine.  Some of the folderol
> could well come from the company in question having an agreement with its
> reps and/or distributors that force it to steer sales to certain reps by
> volume or industry, or they know that certain reps are better with small-
> volume sales, etc.
>
> But, yes, saying "clearly you don't want to sell to me, I'll find a
> manufacturer who will" and then hanging up may be effective in the long
> term.
>

One time when I worked for a music equipment retailer we had a good 
customer who wanted to buy about $5k worth of gear from us he needed for 
a tour he was going on. Needed it drop-shipped post-haste, he was 
getting on a plane in 48 hours.

We called the distributor that had the goods only to find out there was 
some problem with our dealer agreement. "Ok we understand, sorry about 
that, but can we get that fixed up today? This guy wants to make a big 
purchase and..."

"Sorry, takes three days to process." Wouldn't do it. Customer was 
forced to buy from another company, and the distributor made $0.

ok.

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#454009

On 28/03/17 16:59, John Larkin wrote:
> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
>
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.

Maybe there is a new marketing-droid that believes
the stuff they are taught in college, and doesn't
understand real world motivations.

Maybe they only want customers that they can schmooze
and bamboozle. If done in tangible ways, the schmoozing
is probably OK, but expecting an engineer to be
bamboozled is unrealistic.

I did once have a salesman who asked me whether my
boss preferred rugby or football. I said skiing; and
my boss and I had a good laugh about how the droid
thought he could win an order.

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#454023

On Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:59:26 UTC+1, John Larkin  wrote:
> Some companies are determined to not give pricing for their products.
> They want to know what it will be used for, how many we'll need, when
> we'll need them. Then they say that someone else, maybe a rep, will
> contact us about pricing, and the silly dance starts over.
> 
> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.

Masses of companies are like that. It's such a waste of time. I prefer to buy elsewhere, though that's not always the practical option.


NT

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#454024

Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)

They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you

In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE

Cheers 

Klaus 

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#454027

On 2017/03/28 12:02 PM, klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:
> Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)
>
> They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
>
> In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE
>
> Cheers
>
> Klaus
>

These companies will often send a Sample if the number is really low.

Otherwise I deal with distributors.

Mind you if Klaus wants 10,000 of some part then the manufacturer's rep 
should be able to give him a price.

Hopefully the part he wants is not unique - single source.

John

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#454034

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
wrote:

>Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)

We buy around a million dollars a year in parts. 

>
>They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
>
>In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE

Distributors are no problem. They WANT to sell. It's the outfits
without distributors who are sometimes hard to get prices from.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#454038

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:06:50 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
> >Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)
> 
> We buy around a million dollars a year in parts. 

That's very low volume, remember it's distributed across all your part numbers. We buy about 50 million USD per year, and I consider that low also 
> 
> >
> >They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
> >
> >In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE
> 
> Distributors are no problem. They WANT to sell. It's the outfits
> without distributors who are sometimes hard to get prices from.
> 
I have never had that problem. Guess it's because your volume is so low

Cheers

Klaus

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#454040

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:16:01 PM UTC+2, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:06:50 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)
> > 
> > We buy around a million dollars a year in parts. 
> 
> That's very low volume, remember it's distributed across all your part numbers. We buy about 50 million USD per year, and I consider that low also 
> > 
> > >
> > >They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
> > >
> > >In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE
> > 
> > Distributors are no problem. They WANT to sell. It's the outfits
> > without distributors who are sometimes hard to get prices from.
> > 
> I have never had that problem. Guess it's because your volume is so low
> 
Your impact on the distributor is in the noise floor. Some of our very high running parts only represent 0.1% of the total volume of the part

Cheers

Klaus

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#454056

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:06:50 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)
>> 
>> We buy around a million dollars a year in parts. 
>
>That's very low volume, remember it's distributed across all your part numbers. We buy about 50 million USD per year, and I consider that low also 

We do get a lot of visits, from distributors and often factory people.
TI, Linear Tech, like that. Intel/Altera is coming next week to talk
us out of using Xilinx. We actually have to turn some away, to get
work done.

Once a factory person shows up, eval boards become free.


>> 
>> >
>> >They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
>> >
>> >In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE
>> 
>> Distributors are no problem. They WANT to sell. It's the outfits
>> without distributors who are sometimes hard to get prices from.
>> 
>I have never had that problem. Guess it's because your volume is so low

They generally don't know what my volume will be. And if they have a
1-piece price, why won't they reveal what that is?


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#454095

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:44:34 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Klaus Kragelund
><klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:06:50 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT), klaus.kragelund@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Most companies won't deal with direct qouting on silly low quantities like yours probably are (no offence)
>>> 
>>> We buy around a million dollars a year in parts. 
>>
>>That's very low volume, remember it's distributed across all your part numbers. We buy about 50 million USD per year, and I consider that low also 
>
>We do get a lot of visits, from distributors and often factory people.
>TI, Linear Tech, like that. Intel/Altera is coming next week to talk
>us out of using Xilinx. We actually have to turn some away, to get
>work done.
>
>Once a factory person shows up, eval boards become free.
>
>
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >They keep the low price of the parts by using distributors and you benefit from that. Meaning that the distributor can source parts in very high volume and distribute some of those to you
>>> >
>>> >In the daily work when you just buy stuff you will only be dealing with the distributor FAE
>>> 
>>> Distributors are no problem. They WANT to sell. It's the outfits
>>> without distributors who are sometimes hard to get prices from.
>>> 
>>I have never had that problem. Guess it's because your volume is so low
>
>They generally don't know what my volume will be. And if they have a
>1-piece price, why won't they reveal what that is?

Do you think the manufacturer has a 1-piece price?  They can't tell
the disty what to charge for that 1-piece, either.

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#454239

krw@notreal.com wrote:

> Do you think the manufacturer has a 1-piece price?

Microchip does, they run an on-line shop.

	Best regards, Piotr

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#454243

Den torsdag den 30. marts 2017 kl. 17.53.22 UTC+2 skrev Piotr Wyderski:
> krw@notreal.com wrote:
> 
> > Do you think the manufacturer has a 1-piece price?
> 
> Microchip does, they run an on-line shop.
> 

so does AD and ST tells you how many is available at each of their distributors and a single click takes you to the buy page 
I'm sure many others do to

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#454307

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den torsdag den 30. marts 2017 kl. 17.53.22 UTC+2 skrev Piotr Wyderski:
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> 
>> > Do you think the manufacturer has a 1-piece price?
>> 
>> Microchip does, they run an on-line shop.
>> 
>
>so does AD and ST tells you how many is available at each of their distributors and a single click takes you to the buy page 
>I'm sure many others do to

That's not the AD or ST price.

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