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Low Threshold MOSFET

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First post2017-03-20 00:34 -0400
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  Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 00:34 -0400
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET "Lund-Nielsen, Jorgen" <jorgen.lund-nielsen@xyz123desy.de> - 2017-03-20 13:30 +0100
      Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 15:26 -0400
        Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2017-03-20 22:47 +0000
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 21:42 -0400
            Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-21 08:03 -0700
            Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> - 2017-03-21 23:36 +0000
              Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 20:06 -0400
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-20 12:56 +0000
      Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-20 06:34 -0700
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-20 13:08 +0000
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-20 11:03 -0500
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-20 15:59 -0700
      Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 22:29 -0400
        Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-21 08:00 -0700
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-21 01:02 -0500
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-03-22 07:15 -0700
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-22 09:36 -0500
      Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 14:03 -0400
        Re: Low Threshold MOSFET John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-22 13:43 -0500
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-22 12:01 -0700
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:14 -0400
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:18 -0400
            Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-23 10:29 -0700
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-22 15:07 -0500
        Re: Low Threshold MOSFET tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 20:45 -0700
          Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 00:43 -0400
            Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-23 22:24 -0800
            Re: Low Threshold MOSFET tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 03:59 -0700
              Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 12:50 -0400
                Re: Low Threshold MOSFET tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 00:51 -0700
                  Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-25 09:47 -0700
                  Re: Low Threshold MOSFET rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:54 -0400
        Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-24 09:37 -0700
    Re: Low Threshold MOSFET Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-22 20:40 -0800

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#453091

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-03-22 12:01 -0700
Message-ID<oauhlg01lea@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#453089
John S wrote...
>
>On 3/22/2017 1:03 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to use
>>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5 volt
>>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>>
>>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
>>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>>
>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item
>>
>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>> that?
>
>Don't know. I just discovered that the FDN337N is unobtanium for the 
>next couple of months or more. That prompted me to find a substitute 
>which I have not yet singled out. We need something in the next week or 
>two. Crap!

 I have found aliexpress sellers to be very helpful. 
 I'll bet they'll sell you lots of 100 and probably
 accept your request for next-day air shipping, if
 you pay for it in advance with a bank transfer.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#453094

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-22 15:14 -0400
Message-ID<oaui9o$tnr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453089
On 3/22/2017 2:43 PM, John S wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 1:03 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to
>>>> use
>>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5
>>>> volt
>>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>>
>>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
>>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>>
>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>
>>
>>
>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>> that?
>
> Don't know. I just discovered that the FDN337N is unobtanium for the
> next couple of months or more. That prompted me to find a substitute
> which I have not yet singled out. We need something in the next week or
> two. Crap!
>
> Sorry about that.

I already ordered from that vendor via the slow boat.  I'll get then in 
April... maybe.  This one is $0.09 each @100 and will ship via DHL or 
Fedex for $30+.  It says roughly 1 to 2 weeks.  If you really need them 
I don't think risking $40 is too big a deal is it?  You can pay with 
credit card and I hear Aliexpress is pretty good about it if you find 
the parts are crap.  I've only needed to dispute something that I didn't 
receive once and it was not a big hassle.  No worse than eBay.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-free-shipping-FDN337N-FDN337-SOT23-100PCS-LOT-in-Stock/32489003439.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.101.OhdFrg&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_asc&btsid=c9539a0f-5ed7-4e0a-847d-f67c46fbbebc&algo_expid=206fe663-46af-469f-a0d5-7157fad55716-12&algo_pvid=206fe663-46af-469f-a0d5-7157fad55716

-- 

Rick C

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#453096

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-22 15:18 -0400
Message-ID<oauigt$ui2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453089
On 3/22/2017 2:43 PM, John S wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 1:03 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to
>>>> use
>>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5
>>>> volt
>>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>>
>>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
>>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>>
>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>
>>
>>
>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>> that?
>
> Don't know. I just discovered that the FDN337N is unobtanium for the
> next couple of months or more. That prompted me to find a substitute
> which I have not yet singled out. We need something in the next week or
> two. Crap!
>
> Sorry about that.

This Aliexpress vendor is twice the price as the other one I mentioned, 
but has a Fedex delivery option for 5-8 days.  It may result in Tom 
Hanks being stranded on a deserted island for years though.  :(

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SMD-FET-FDN337N-FDN337-imprint-337-SOT23-original-spot/874807260.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.110.OhdFrg&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_asc&btsid=c9539a0f-5ed7-4e0a-847d-f67c46fbbebc&algo_expid=206fe663-46af-469f-a0d5-7157fad55716-13&algo_pvid=206fe663-46af-469f-a0d5-7157fad55716

-- 

Rick C

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#453243

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-23 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<ejieukF8pepU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#453096
On 2017-03-22 12:18, rickman wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 2:43 PM, John S wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 1:03 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>>>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to
>>>>> use
>>>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5
>>>>> volt
>>>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5
>>>>> volts
>>>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>>>
>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>>
>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>>> that?
>>
>> Don't know. I just discovered that the FDN337N is unobtanium for the
>> next couple of months or more. That prompted me to find a substitute
>> which I have not yet singled out. We need something in the next week or
>> two. Crap!
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>
> This Aliexpress vendor is twice the price as the other one I mentioned,
> but has a Fedex delivery option for 5-8 days.  It may result in Tom
> Hanks being stranded on a deserted island for years though.  :(
>

But he has Wilson!

[...]

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#453113

FromJohn S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
Date2017-03-22 15:07 -0500
Message-ID<oaulc1$fmf$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453089
On 3/22/2017 1:43 PM, John S wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 1:03 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to
>>>> use
>>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5
>>>> volt
>>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>>
>>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
>>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>>
>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>
>>
>>
>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>> that?
>
> Don't know. I just discovered that the FDN337N is unobtanium for the
> next couple of months or more. That prompted me to find a substitute
> which I have not yet singled out. We need something in the next week or
> two. Crap!
>
> Sorry about that.


I think I found a good substitute. It is the 
IRLML6344.

Thanks for your suggestions, Guys.


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#453330

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-03-23 20:45 -0700
Message-ID<3a4121d3-0c65-4d4f-b63c-5bebb3de3d20@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#453079
On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:

> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay 
> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
> 
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
> 
> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes, 
> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do 
> that?

might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.


NT

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#453334

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-24 00:43 -0400
Message-ID<ob280n$3k9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453330
On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>
>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>
>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>> that?
>
> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.

It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder on the 
leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and 
repackage the parts for that price!

I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and 
customs doesn't seize anything.

-- 

Rick C

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#453345

FromRobert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>
Date2017-03-23 22:24 -0800
Message-ID<mY2BA.65034$mB4.62573@fx25.iad>
In reply to#453334
rickman wrote:
> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman wrote:
>>
>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>>> buying 50 or more. Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>>
>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>>
>>>
>>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping! I would say that have to be fakes,
>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%. How can they do
>>> that?
>>
>> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
>
> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new. It would have solder on the
> leads. I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and
> repackage the parts for that price!
>
> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and
> customs doesn't seize anything.
>
   You mean STEAL.

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#453361

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-03-24 03:59 -0700
Message-ID<4b2d1960-003d-48fc-939c-f9c6d1ac1a98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#453334
On Friday, 24 March 2017 04:44:12 UTC, rickman  wrote:
> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
> >
> >> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
> >> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
> >>
> >> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
> >>
> >> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
> >> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
> >> that?
> >
> > might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
> 
> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder on the 
> leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and 
> repackage the parts for that price!
> 
> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and 
> customs doesn't seize anything.

Not hard at all, it's done on a fair scale.


NT

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#453417

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-24 12:50 -0400
Message-ID<ob3ik0$79c$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453361
On 3/24/2017 6:59 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 24 March 2017 04:44:12 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>>>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>>>
>>>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>>>> that?
>>>
>>> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
>>
>> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder on the
>> leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and
>> repackage the parts for that price!
>>
>> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and
>> customs doesn't seize anything.
>
> Not hard at all, it's done on a fair scale.

What is done, selling salvage as new?  Selling salvage may be done all 
the time, but I see pictures of people straightening pins with pliers 
over solder pots.  I seriously doubt they can pass those parts as new 
and even though it may be cost effective for some parts, it would be 
rough to make much profit from $0.02 transistors after taping them.

-- 

Rick C

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#453530

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2017-03-25 00:51 -0700
Message-ID<bc4149c0-488c-408c-bd0f-bd33e8b4c4b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#453417
On Friday, 24 March 2017 16:50:59 UTC, rickman  wrote:
> On 3/24/2017 6:59 AM, tabbypurr wrote:
> > On Friday, 24 March 2017 04:44:12 UTC, rickman  wrote:
> >> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
> >>>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
> >>>>
> >>>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
> >>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
> >>>> that?
> >>>
> >>> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
> >>
> >> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder on the
> >> leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and
> >> repackage the parts for that price!
> >>
> >> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and
> >> customs doesn't seize anything.
> >
> > Not hard at all, it's done on a fair scale.
> 
> What is done, selling salvage as new?  Selling salvage may be done all 
> the time, but I see pictures of people straightening pins with pliers 
> over solder pots.  I seriously doubt they can pass those parts as new 
> and even though it may be cost effective for some parts, it would be 
> rough to make much profit from $0.02 transistors after taping them.

Lots of salvage is sold as new in China. It's quite doable. In some places parts are processed in the street, literally. 3rd world wages aren't exactly high. Some stuff is sold without remarking, some is black-topped and remarked to make all the parts on a reel look the same. 

$2.80 less 65c shipping is $2.15 income for someone. In some places people work for as little as 8p per 16 hour day (about 12c) - I've no idea what the pay is for component salvage, but $2.15 a 100 is well within doable.

Of course that doesn't mean that's what these particular items are, but there's lots of salvage going on. Decent salvage is all tested, the worst is re-marked wrong parts.


NT

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#453570

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-25 09:47 -0700
Message-ID<ejnl7sF9s5sU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#453530
On 2017-03-25 00:51, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 24 March 2017 16:50:59 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>> On 3/24/2017 6:59 AM, tabbypurr wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 March 2017 04:44:12 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20
>>>>>> even on ebay buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress
>>>>>> and found this one...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
$2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>>>>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How
>>>>>> can they do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
>>>>
>>>> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder
>>>> on the leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to
>>>> unsolder and repackage the parts for that price!
>>>>
>>>> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's
>>>> strike and customs doesn't seize anything.
>>>
>>> Not hard at all, it's done on a fair scale.
>>
>> What is done, selling salvage as new?  Selling salvage may be done
>> all the time, but I see pictures of people straightening pins with
>> pliers over solder pots.  I seriously doubt they can pass those
>> parts as new and even though it may be cost effective for some
>> parts, it would be rough to make much profit from $0.02 transistors
>> after taping them.
>
> Lots of salvage is sold as new in China. It's quite doable. In some
> places parts are processed in the street, literally.


Sometimes when the side walk isn't large enough literally in the street:

https://i0.wp.com/www.vagabondjourney.com/travelogue/wp-content/uploads/Broken-cellphones-in-Shenzhen.jpg?w=600

[...]

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#453580

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-25 13:54 -0400
Message-ID<ob6am9$5sr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#453530
On 3/25/2017 3:51 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 24 March 2017 16:50:59 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>> On 3/24/2017 6:59 AM, tabbypurr wrote:
>>> On Friday, 24 March 2017 04:44:12 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2017 11:45 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:04:00 UTC, rickman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
>>>>>> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
>>>>>> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>
>>>>> might be the genuine article but salvaged. Who knows.
>>>>
>>>> It would be hard to sell salvaged as new.  It would have solder on the
>>>> leads.  I don't know how they could even do the work to unsolder and
>>>> repackage the parts for that price!
>>>>
>>>> I'll find out in a few weeks if there's no longshoreman's strike and
>>>> customs doesn't seize anything.
>>>
>>> Not hard at all, it's done on a fair scale.
>>
>> What is done, selling salvage as new?  Selling salvage may be done all
>> the time, but I see pictures of people straightening pins with pliers
>> over solder pots.  I seriously doubt they can pass those parts as new
>> and even though it may be cost effective for some parts, it would be
>> rough to make much profit from $0.02 transistors after taping them.
>
> Lots of salvage is sold as new in China. It's quite doable. In some places parts are processed in the street, literally. 3rd world wages aren't exactly high. Some stuff is sold without remarking, some is black-topped and remarked to make all the parts on a reel look the same.
>
> $2.80 less 65c shipping is $2.15 income for someone. In some places people work for as little as 8p per 16 hour day (about 12c) - I've no idea what the pay is for component salvage, but $2.15 a 100 is well within doable.
>
> Of course that doesn't mean that's what these particular items are, but there's lots of salvage going on. Decent salvage is all tested, the worst is re-marked wrong parts.

How can they restore the length of TO-92 leads?

-- 

Rick C

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#453413

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-24 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<ejl0a1Focl5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#453079
On 2017-03-22 11:03, rickman wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 10:36 AM, John S wrote:
>> On 3/19/2017 11:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
>>> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to use
>>> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5 volt
>>> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
>>> surface mount will be ok too.
>>>
>>> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
>>> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
>>> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>>>
>>
>> We have been very happy with the FDN337N.
>
> I was checking this out and found the prices are >$0.20 even on ebay
> buying 50 or more.  Then I checked aliexpress and found this one...
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-FDN337N-screen-337-SOT-23-new-original/32718408974.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.ju58Ca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_301_10059_201_10531_10099_10530_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_13,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bc963ea4-0cae-4be3-95ba-e5fa2d2485cc&algo_expid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7-2&algo_pvid=5043bdd6-47a3-424c-a756-09e1cbb36cd7
>
>
> $2.80 for 100 with free shipping!  I would say that have to be fakes,
> but this store has been online for 3 years with 100%.  How can they do
> that?
>

Often dealers or liquidators buy production remnant reels on the cheap. 
Some product was discontinued, a company has reels and partial reels 
left over and a regular distributor would not take anything back. Or 
maybe a little company went belly-up and the bankruptcy laywer sells 
everything but the kitchen sink.

I have even bought software from liquidators, such as an older version 
of a 3D mechanical CAD package for $10. Yes, ten bucks.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#453192

FromRobert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>
Date2017-03-22 20:40 -0800
Message-ID<LkIAA.67984$I%4.61200@fx10.iad>
In reply to#452689
rickman wrote:
> I was looking to order some low current MOSFETs and realized all the
> popular items had thresholds of 3 volts and higher.  I would like to use
> something that turns on pretty well at 3 volts so it won't need a 5 volt
> PSU.  Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a TO-92 case preferably but
> surface mount will be ok too.
>
> I could have sworn some years ago I tracked down a number of low
> threshold voltage FETs.  But maybe those devices operated under 5 volts
> rather than under 3.3 volts.
>
   Lemme see..would a dual or quad N-channel ZERO threshold match pair 
array be useful?
   Also available at Vth = 0.2, 0.8, and 1,4V.
   Made by Advanced Linear Devices, carried by Mouser, (Oct 2006 catalog).

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