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Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core?

Started by"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info>
First post2017-03-14 20:18 -0800
Last post2017-03-24 21:35 +0200
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  Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core?  "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-14 20:18 -0800
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-14 22:21 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 23:43 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-15 12:27 -0800
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:19 -0700
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-15 18:51 -0800
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 20:08 -0700
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:24 -0400
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 22:17 -0700
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-16 13:04 -0500
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 02:48 -0400
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-03-15 06:35 -0700
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-15 12:46 -0800
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:22 -0700
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2017-03-30 01:42 +0100
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 18:20 -0700
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-16 08:44 +0200
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:17 -0700
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-17 00:58 +0200
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:19 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-15 13:01 -0800
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:39 -0400
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:33 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core?  "Dave M" <dgminala@mediacombb.net> - 2017-03-15 09:40 -0500
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:26 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-15 08:25 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-15 12:38 -0500
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:28 -0700
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-15 17:59 -0700
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 18:10 -0700
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-16 08:20 -0700
                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-16 09:45 -0700
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-16 10:26 -0700
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:47 -0700
                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-16 17:15 -0700
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 17:36 -0700
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-16 18:46 -0700
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 23:45 -0700
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 07:30 -0700
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-17 08:28 -0700
                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-17 11:38 -0400
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 12:21 -0700
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-17 13:08 -0800
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-18 10:32 +1100
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 17:10 -0700
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 22:31 -0400
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 14:53 -0700
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:38 -0400
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-03-18 18:10 -0700
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 18:39 -0700
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-03-19 09:53 -0700
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-19 12:27 +1100
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 22:11 -0400
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-19 10:41 -0500
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-17 17:13 -0700
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 17:28 -0700
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-18 12:21 +0200
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-18 12:15 +0000
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-17 17:36 -0700
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-17 18:09 -0700
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-17 18:21 -0700
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-18 10:49 +0200
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-18 08:30 -0700
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? mkolber1@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 12:49 -0700
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-18 12:57 -0700
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-18 23:48 +0200
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:08 -0400
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-03-18 13:09 -0700
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-18 04:08 -0500
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-19 12:32 +1100
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-19 10:45 -0500
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-20 11:08 +1100
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-19 22:31 -0500
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-20 16:31 +1100
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-21 01:19 -0500
                                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-22 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-18 10:41 +1100
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 14:47 -0700
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-19 00:22 +0200
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-19 12:39 +1100
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 19:11 -0700
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-19 13:15 +1100
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 04:26 -0700
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-21 13:17 +1100
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-21 01:32 -0500
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-21 10:38 +0200
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-21 02:53 -0400
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-21 01:01 -0700
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-21 12:33 +0200
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-21 09:42 -0400
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-21 12:49 -0700
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-21 18:39 +0000
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-21 22:39 +0200
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-21 12:30 +0200
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-19 17:43 +0200
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-21 14:39 +0200
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-21 09:46 -0400
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-17 17:31 -0700
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 17:46 -0700
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-17 18:18 -0700
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-21 09:55 -0400
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 07:27 -0700
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? DemonicTubes <tlackie@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 09:11 -0700
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 11:40 -0700
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-17 12:29 -0400
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-17 12:25 -0700
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 16:20 -0400
                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:41 -0700
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-16 16:14 -0700
                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:25 -0700
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-19 11:22 -0500
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-15 21:20 -0500
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-15 23:02 -0500
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 22:52 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 02:48 -0400
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:10 -0700
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-16 08:21 -0500
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:10 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Bill Beaty <billb@eskimo.com> - 2017-03-16 12:12 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-16 13:06 -0700
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-16 15:39 -0500
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-16 19:57 -0700
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-18 21:26 -0500
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-17 09:44 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-17 17:35 -0700
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-17 18:35 -0800
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 09:01 -0700
    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-19 08:20 -0500
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-19 15:31 -0800
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 19:42 -0400
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-19 19:20 -0500
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:49 -0700
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-19 20:19 -0500
                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-19 19:44 -0800
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 00:00 -0400
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 23:56 -0400
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 08:36 -0500
                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 09:29 -0700
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 12:54 -0500
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 13:16 -0500
                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 12:31 -0700
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 16:46 -0400
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 17:17 -0500
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 18:25 -0700
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 17:15 -0500
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 18:25 -0400
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 17:56 -0500
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 18:49 -0700
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-21 00:19 -0700
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-21 07:27 -0500
                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-21 07:28 -0700
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-21 11:24 -0500
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 13:39 -0400
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-23 13:52 -0500
                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-23 16:48 -0700
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-23 23:58 -0500
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 01:13 -0400
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 07:00 -0500
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 12:47 -0400
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 15:13 -0500
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 17:05 -0400
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 08:44 -0500
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 09:13 -0500
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-24 09:40 -0700
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 13:08 -0500
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-24 13:42 -0700
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-24 14:20 -0700
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-24 22:46 -0500
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-24 22:13 -0700
                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-25 09:29 -0500
                                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-25 11:33 -0700
                                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 15:20 -0400
                                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-25 15:25 -0700
                                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 19:17 -0400
                                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-25 17:02 -0700
                                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 21:25 -0400
                                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-25 20:10 -0500
                                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 21:32 -0400
                                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-25 22:42 -0500
                                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 00:00 -0400
                                                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-26 04:00 -0500
                                                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 05:36 -0400
                                                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-26 09:34 -0500
                                                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-26 10:23 -0500
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                                                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-27 09:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-25 14:44 -0500
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                                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-25 21:21 -0500
                                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 23:42 -0400
                                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-25 17:34 -0700
                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 16:34 -0400
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 17:21 -0500
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 18:27 -0400
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 17:54 -0500
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                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 20:09 -0500
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                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-21 07:54 -0500
                                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-21 07:57 -0700
                                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-21 11:54 -0500
                                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-21 12:21 -0700
                                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-21 21:40 -0500
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          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-03-20 15:41 -0800
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 19:13 -0500
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 21:18 -0400
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-21 04:35 -0500
      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-20 11:06 +0200
        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-24 10:14 -0700
          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 13:59 -0400
            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-24 13:36 -0700
              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:49 -0400
                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-25 12:30 -0700
                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 21:39 -0400
                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-26 07:35 -0700
                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:15 -0400
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-27 07:46 -0700
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                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-27 09:22 -0700
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                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-28 18:15 +1100
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                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-28 07:23 -0700
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                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-03-30 00:37 +0300
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                                  Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-28 09:57 -0500
                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-28 09:05 -0700
                                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-28 11:27 -0500
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                      Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-27 14:57 +0300
                        Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-27 07:25 -0500
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-27 09:47 -0700
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-27 19:51 +0300
                          Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-27 12:21 -0500
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 18:54 -0400
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                                    Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-28 07:28 -0700
                                Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-28 13:41 +0300
                              Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-28 07:44 +0000
                            Re: Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core? amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-27 21:18 -0500
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#451909 — Antenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core?

From"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info>
Date2017-03-14 20:18 -0800
SubjectAntenna ferrite loopsticks verses air core?
Message-ID<58c8c099$0$22749$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>
Which is a better design. Suppose you have a 6 inch length of PVC pipe with 
numerous turns of wire that has an inductance of say 200uH. Now suppose you 
use the same (6 inch) piece of PVC with a ferrite rod in the core with 
considerably fewer turns of wire.  Which one would capture the most signal 
at the AM Broadcast frequencies (500K to 2 Megs) and poduce the greatest 
signal output? Would it be more ferrite, or more wire?








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#451912

FromJohn Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
Date2017-03-14 22:21 -0700
Message-ID<t7ydnTDRT7nZUlXFnZ2dnUU7-VfNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#451909
On 2017/03/14 9:18 PM, billbowden wrote:
> Which is a better design. Suppose you have a 6 inch length of PVC pipe with
> numerous turns of wire that has an inductance of say 200uH. Now suppose you
> use the same (6 inch) piece of PVC with a ferrite rod in the core with
> considerably fewer turns of wire.  Which one would capture the most signal
> at the AM Broadcast frequencies (500K to 2 Megs) and poduce the greatest
> signal output? Would it be more ferrite, or more wire?
>
>

Considering that all portable transistor radios I've ever seen had 
ferrite core antennas I would assume (not have the math) that ferrite is 
more efficient in small spaces. I don't think the price of the copper 
wire back in the 50s and 60s would make enough difference to prefer 
ferrite over copper wire...

John

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#451917

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-14 23:43 -0700
Message-ID<fde659de-674b-4ce5-afc4-a21d0ff0bc2c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451909
Bill Bowden wrote:
>
> Which is a better design. Suppose you have a 6 inch length of PVC pipe with 
> numerous turns of wire that has an inductance of say 200uH. Now suppose you 
> use the same (6 inch) piece of PVC with a ferrite rod in the core with 
> considerably fewer turns of wire.  Which one would capture the most signal 
> at the AM Broadcast frequencies (500K to 2 Megs) and poduce the greatest 
> signal output? Would it be more ferrite, or more wire?
>

** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the rod.

Woven, frame antennas like this were used in compact and portable tube radios until the arrival of ferrite rods. 

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/4b/b1/064bb104c1c02a095ae2cdeaf60faaa1.jpg

Their performance was comparable with a ferrite rod antennas of similar length - the ferrite job having rather higher Q due to using less wire.  

Most frame anttennas use "Litz" wire to improve the Q - as did ferrite equivalents.


FYI

Q = ratio of resistance ( at radio frequencies) to inductance. 



....  Phil 


 

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#452002

From"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info>
Date2017-03-15 12:27 -0800
Message-ID<58c9a3cf$0$29512$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#451917
"Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fde659de-674b-4ce5-afc4-a21d0ff0bc2c@googlegroups.com...
> Bill Bowden wrote:
>>
>> Which is a better design. Suppose you have a 6 inch length of PVC pipe 
>> with
>> numerous turns of wire that has an inductance of say 200uH. Now suppose 
>> you
>> use the same (6 inch) piece of PVC with a ferrite rod in the core with
>> considerably fewer turns of wire.  Which one would capture the most 
>> signal
>> at the AM Broadcast frequencies (500K to 2 Megs) and poduce the greatest
>> signal output? Would it be more ferrite, or more wire?
>>
>
> ** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the rod.
>

Well, I can't help it if I'm stupid. I was just born that way. And I did 
assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz 
wire to reduce the skin effect. But there are some eddy current losses in 
the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?


> Woven, frame antennas like this were used in compact and portable tube 
> radios until the arrival of ferrite rods.
>
> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/4b/b1/064bb104c1c02a095ae2cdeaf60faaa1.jpg
>
> Their performance was comparable with a ferrite rod antennas of similar 
> length - the ferrite job having rather higher Q due to using less wire.
>
> Most frame anttennas use "Litz" wire to improve the Q - as did ferrite 
> equivalents.
>
>
> FYI
>
> Q = ratio of resistance ( at radio frequencies) to inductance.
>
>
>
> ....  Phil
>
>
> 

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#452032

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 17:19 -0700
Message-ID<7108a9ca-3ab7-423b-aa1e-7b53d1916cdb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452002
Bill Bowden wrote:

> 
>  ** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the rod.
> 
> 
> Well, I can't help it if I'm stupid.

** But you can piss off and stop being a PITA troll. 

> I was just born that way.


** No excuse for you to go around annoying people. 



> And I did 
> assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz 
> wire to reduce the skin effect.
>

** No way anyone can know what you claim you assumed but did not post. 

   And you can make up *any damn shit* later. 


> But there are some eddy current losses in 
> the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?


** That is nothing like your original Q and no question was directed at me. 

 You do NOT direct questions at posters except to explain what they have posted. All other question are directed to the group. 

   You are making shit up, moment to moment.

   Kindly fuck off. 
  

....   Phil 

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#452071

From"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info>
Date2017-03-15 18:51 -0800
Message-ID<58c9fdc9$0$29560$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#452032
"Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:7108a9ca-3ab7-423b-aa1e-7b53d1916cdb@googlegroups.com...
> Bill Bowden wrote:
>
>>
>>  ** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the 
>> rod.
>>
>>
>> Well, I can't help it if I'm stupid.
>
> ** But you can piss off and stop being a PITA troll.
>
>> I was just born that way.
>
>
> ** No excuse for you to go around annoying people.
>
>> And I did
>> assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz
>> wire to reduce the skin effect.
>>
>
> ** No way anyone can know what you claim you assumed but did not post.
>

Go read the original post. I clearly asked which was better, an air core 
inductor or a ferrite core of the same size . The answer should be yes this 
and not that, but you don't have any idea. You are just a bozo. .


>   And you can make up *any damn shit* later.
>
>
>> But there are some eddy current losses in
>> the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?
>
>
> ** That is nothing like your original Q and no question was directed at 
> me.
>
> You do NOT direct questions at posters except to explain what they have 
> posted. All other question are directed to the group.
>

Well, I'm directing the question to you since you seem to know everything. 
And BTW, I worked in a radio factory and adjusted maybe 1000 antenna 
loopsticks in transistor radios and peaked the trimmer caps at the top end 
and moved the coil winding on the ferrite rod at the low end to get best 
performance across the band. I'm not a novice. So, why don't you fuck off?
. .

>   You are making shit up, moment to moment.
>
>   Kindly fuck off.
>
>
> ....   Phil 

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#452072

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 20:08 -0700
Message-ID<889d16ce-72ac-424c-99a0-c718e40171ef@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452071
Bill Bowden the Fuckwit LIAR wrote:


> >
> >
> > ** No excuse for you to go around annoying people.
> >
> >> And I did
> >> assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz
> >> wire to reduce the skin effect.
> >>
> >
> > ** No way anyone can know what you claim you assumed but did not post.
> >
> 
> Go read the original post.


**  Go fuck yourself -  moron. 


> >
> >> But there are some eddy current losses in
> >> the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?
> >
> >
> > ** That is nothing like your original Q and no question was directed at 
> > me.
> >
> > You do NOT direct questions at posters except to explain what they have 
> > posted. All other question are directed to the group.
> >
> 
> Well, I'm directing the question to you since you seem to know everything. 
>

 ** You just posted the DIRECT opposite. 

    You are pathetic moron and TROLL. 



> And BTW, I worked in a radio factory and adjusted maybe 1000 antenna 
> loopsticks in transistor radios and peaked the trimmer caps at the top end 
> and moved the coil winding on the ferrite rod at the low end to get best 
> performance across the band. I'm not a novice.
>  


  **  But you ARE a complete MORON !!! 

      FFS - FOAD



.....  Phil 

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#452083

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-16 00:24 -0400
Message-ID<oad3s1$bat$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#452071
On 3/15/2017 10:51 PM, billbowden wrote:
> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7108a9ca-3ab7-423b-aa1e-7b53d1916cdb@googlegroups.com...
>> Bill Bowden wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  ** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the
>>> rod.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I can't help it if I'm stupid.
>>
>> ** But you can piss off and stop being a PITA troll.
>>
>>> I was just born that way.
>>
>>
>> ** No excuse for you to go around annoying people.
>>
>>> And I did
>>> assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz
>>> wire to reduce the skin effect.
>>>
>>
>> ** No way anyone can know what you claim you assumed but did not post.
>>
>
> Go read the original post. I clearly asked which was better, an air core
> inductor or a ferrite core of the same size . The answer should be yes this
> and not that, but you don't have any idea. You are just a bozo. .
>
>
>>   And you can make up *any damn shit* later.
>>
>>
>>> But there are some eddy current losses in
>>> the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?
>>
>>
>> ** That is nothing like your original Q and no question was directed at
>> me.
>>
>> You do NOT direct questions at posters except to explain what they have
>> posted. All other question are directed to the group.
>>
>
> Well, I'm directing the question to you since you seem to know everything.
> And BTW, I worked in a radio factory and adjusted maybe 1000 antenna
> loopsticks in transistor radios and peaked the trimmer caps at the top end
> and moved the coil winding on the ferrite rod at the low end to get best
> performance across the band. I'm not a novice. So, why don't you fuck off?
> .. .
>
>>   You are making shit up, moment to moment.
>>
>>   Kindly fuck off.

Good old Phil is not anyone you should worry with.  He may know some 
stuff, but his manner is such that he is best killfiled.  That's what I 
do.  I see that he makes posts, but they are marked as having been read. 
  I very, very seldom bother to read any of his crap, even when someone 
else quotes him.

-- 

Rick C

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#452085

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 22:17 -0700
Message-ID<fd08ef92-b7b6-4676-ac6f-a0a009574afe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452083
Prickman the Idiot wrote:




> >>   You are making shit up, moment to moment.
> >>
> >>   Kindly fuck off.
> 
> Good old Phil is not anyone you should worry with.
>


** And not someone to be messed with either. 

  Prickman is a stupid, bullshitting ass. 

  And an incorrigible, PITA troll on the NG. 

  He has ben proven 100% wrong thousands of times.

  FFS,  DO NOT BELIVE anything the wanker posts 



....  Phil 


.....   Phil 

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#452153

Fromamdx <nojunk@knology.net>
Date2017-03-16 13:04 -0500
Message-ID<oaejud$1jt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#452071
On 3/15/2017 9:51 PM, billbowden wrote:
> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7108a9ca-3ab7-423b-aa1e-7b53d1916cdb@googlegroups.com...
>> Bill Bowden wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  ** Your Q is stupid, ferrite antennas must have the wire wound on the
>>> rod.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I can't help it if I'm stupid.
>>
>> ** But you can piss off and stop being a PITA troll.
>>
>>> I was just born that way.
>>
>>
>> ** No excuse for you to go around annoying people.
>>
>>> And I did
>>> assume the wire should be wound around the ferrite rod usually using Litz
>>> wire to reduce the skin effect.
>>>
>>
>> ** No way anyone can know what you claim you assumed but did not post.
>>
>
> Go read the original post. I clearly asked which was better, an air core
> inductor or a ferrite core of the same size . The answer should be yes this
> and not that, but you don't have any idea. You are just a bozo. .
>
>
>>   And you can make up *any damn shit* later.
>>
>>
>>> But there are some eddy current losses in
>>> the ferrite and I was just wondering if you knew how much that woud be?
>>
>>
>> ** That is nothing like your original Q and no question was directed at
>> me.
>>
>> You do NOT direct questions at posters except to explain what they have
>> posted. All other question are directed to the group.
>>
>
> Well, I'm directing the question to you since you seem to know everything.
> And BTW, I worked in a radio factory and adjusted maybe 1000 antenna
> loopsticks in transistor radios and peaked the trimmer caps at the top end
> and moved the coil winding on the ferrite rod at the low end to get best
> performance across the band. I'm not a novice. So, why don't you fuck off?
> . .
>
>>   You are making shit up, moment to moment.
>>
>>   Kindly fuck off.
>>
>>
>> ....   Phil
>
>
Please don't abuse Phil, he's our entertainment.
                                    Mikek

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#451918

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 02:48 -0400
Message-ID<oaanum$upg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#451909
On 3/15/2017 12:18 AM, billbowden wrote:
> Which is a better design. Suppose you have a 6 inch length of PVC pipe with
> numerous turns of wire that has an inductance of say 200uH. Now suppose you
> use the same (6 inch) piece of PVC with a ferrite rod in the core with
> considerably fewer turns of wire.  Which one would capture the most signal
> at the AM Broadcast frequencies (500K to 2 Megs) and poduce the greatest
> signal output? Would it be more ferrite, or more wire?

You are asking how the antenna output voltage varies with the mu of the 
inductor core if the inductance is held constant by varying the number 
of turns of wire.

The signal strength is related to number of turns linearly as well as 
the core permeability.  I'll use the tilda to indicate proportionality.

E ~ N * mu

Inductance is proportional to the square of the number of turns and the 
permeability.

L ~ N^2 * mu

So when a magnetic core is added the number of turns required to 
maintain the inductance is reduced by the square root of the relative 
permeability.

N ~ sqrt(mu(rel))

The impact on the received voltage will be reduced by the square root of 
the relative permeability through the turns change, but increased 
linearly by the change in mu resulting in an overall increase in 
received voltage by the square root of the relative permeability.

So adding a material with mu(rel) of 4.0 will cut the number of turns in 
half and increase the output voltage by 2.  This doesn't include an 
improvement in the resistive losses of the coil.  The Q of the coil will 
be reduced as the inductance drops linearly, but the resistance goes 
down by the square root of the permeability.

-- 

Rick C

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#451938

Frommakolber@yahoo.com
Date2017-03-15 06:35 -0700
Message-ID<02d0a874-f95c-40ef-a5f8-be48fa98a573@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451918
> 
> So adding a material with mu(rel) of 4.0 will cut the number of turns in 
> half and increase the output voltage by 2.  This doesn't include an 
> improvement in the resistive losses of the coil.  The Q of the coil will 
> be reduced as the inductance drops linearly, but the resistance goes 
> down by the square root of the permeability.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form other stations,,,,  so even though you may build an antenna that puts out more "volts"   it will not  be helpful for picking up weaker signals.

M

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#452004

From"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info>
Date2017-03-15 12:46 -0800
Message-ID<58c9a811$0$29522$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#451938
<makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:02d0a874-f95c-40ef-a5f8-be48fa98a573@googlegroups.com...

>
>> So adding a material with mu(rel) of 4.0 will cut the number of turns in
>> half and increase the output voltage by 2.  This doesn't include an
>> improvement in the resistive losses of the coil.  The Q of the coil will
>> be reduced as the inductance drops linearly, but the resistance goes
>> down by the square root of the permeability.
>>
>> -- 
>>
> Rick C

>And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the 
>radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form other 
>stations,,,,  so >even though you may build an antenna that puts out more 
>"volts"   it will not  be helpful for picking up weaker signals.

>M

Yes, that's true. It really doesn't matter what the signal strength is, only 
how much additional noise you introduce into the system.





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#452033

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-15 17:22 -0700
Message-ID<6a97e732-7c03-469e-af52-38981ba9de26@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451938
mako...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> 
> And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the
> radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form 
> other stations,,,,
>

** Providing there is an adequate signal from the antenna carrying the wanted broadcast. 


> so even though you may build an antenna that puts out more "volts"  
> it will not be helpful for picking up weaker signals.


** Complete non-sequitur and obviously false. 



.....  Phil 

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#454161

FromMike Perkins <spam@spam.com>
Date2017-03-30 01:42 +0100
Message-ID<obhk97$948$1@news2.open-news-network.org>
In reply to#452033
On 16/03/2017 00:22, Phil Allison wrote:
> mako...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the
>> radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form
>> other stations,,,,
>>
>
> ** Providing there is an adequate signal from the antenna carrying the wanted broadcast.
>
>
>> so even though you may build an antenna that puts out more "volts"
>> it will not be helpful for picking up weaker signals.
>
>
> ** Complete non-sequitur and obviously false.

Are you suggesting the converse is true? Where external noise sources 
and interference are substantially above the thermally generated noise 
floor and first amplifier noise, the SNR will magically improve if you 
use a bigger aerial?

-- 
Mike Perkins
Video Solutions Ltd
www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

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#454169

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-29 18:20 -0700
Message-ID<d0a77944-2d8e-4022-adb5-bebace224f33@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#454161
Mike Perkins wrote:
>  Phil Allison wrote:
> > mako...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the
> >> radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form
> >> other stations,,,,
> >>
> >
> > ** Providing there is an adequate signal from the antenna carrying the wanted broadcast.
> >
> >
> >> so even though you may build an antenna that puts out more "volts"
> >> it will not be helpful for picking up weaker signals.
> >
> >
> > ** Complete non-sequitur and obviously false.
> 
> Are you suggesting the converse is true? Where external noise sources 
> and interference are substantially above the thermally generated noise 
> floor and first amplifier noise, the SNR will magically improve if you 
> use a bigger aerial?
> 

** In another post on the same date, I pointed out the obvious truism that there is no such limit to the s/n of an AM broadcast. 

In the primary reception area of an transmitter, the SIGNAL can be hugely bigger than the ambient and natural noise.  

Only when DXing is the signal seriously compromised by noise. Even then, a directional antenna will favour the broadcast over noise arriving from all directions. 

FYI: 

the opposite of a false statement is not usually a true statement.



.....  Phil

....  Phil 

 

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#452092

Fromupsidedown@downunder.com
Date2017-03-16 08:44 +0200
Message-ID<tmckcchis3ri6sclbsd16gra0a1llp0ar7@4ax.com>
In reply to#451938
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 06:35:37 -0700 (PDT), makolber@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>> 
>> So adding a material with mu(rel) of 4.0 will cut the number of turns in 
>> half and increase the output voltage by 2.  This doesn't include an 
>> improvement in the resistive losses of the coil.  The Q of the coil will 
>> be reduced as the inductance drops linearly, but the resistance goes 
>> down by the square root of the permeability.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Rick C
>
>And in the AM broadcast band, the SNR is usually not determined by the radio but rather by the atmospheric noise and interference form other stations,,,,  so even though you may build an antenna that puts out more "volts"   it will not  be helpful for picking up weaker signals.
>
>M
>

The gain ( = directivity x efficiency) for a typical loopstick  is
very bad in the order of -60 to -80 dB, due to the extremely low
efficiency. But thanks to the extremely high band noise at LF and MF,
you still get usable SNR with such  designs. 

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#452096

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-16 00:17 -0700
Message-ID<438da9b7-4854-4ef6-90c3-51d62142a079@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452092
upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The gain ( = directivity x efficiency) for a typical loopstick  is
> very bad in the order of -60 to -80 dB, 
>

 ** Compared to what ??? 

   A half wave antenna 150 meters long?  


> But thanks to the extremely high band noise at LF and MF,
> you still get usable SNR with such designs.

** This is not right.

Whatever the inherent atmospheric noise at MF, the signal from the transmitter can over-ride it. 

AM does not have inherently bad s/n unless you are DXing. 

I have a hi-fi AM tuner that coupled with small frame antenna ( 40x40 cm)  is capable of FM like results from good, local broadcasts. 

It uses just 2 small valves. 



....  Phil 

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#452184

Fromupsidedown@downunder.com
Date2017-03-17 00:58 +0200
Message-ID<484mcc1tcqc1rjptog640aijrhiq443o9n@4ax.com>
In reply to#452096
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> The gain ( = directivity x efficiency) for a typical loopstick  is
>> very bad in the order of -60 to -80 dB, 
>>
>
> ** Compared to what ??? 

I when the gain is worse than -60 dB, it doesn't matter if the
reference is dBd or dBi, the difference is only 2 dB :-)
>
>   A half wave antenna 150 meters long?  
 The effective hight for a short antenna /in this case strung into the
trees) is only a few  dBs below a full size antenna. For derivation,
check John.D. Kraus: "Antennas"
>
>
>> But thanks to the extremely high band noise at LF and MF,
>> you still get usable SNR with such designs.
>
>** This is not right.
>
>Whatever the inherent atmospheric noise at MF, the signal from the transmitter can over-ride it. 
>
>AM does not have inherently bad s/n unless you are DXing. 

Depending of the definition of DXing , much of the MF/HF stations in
Europe has been shut down. Of course Russian propaganda stations are
still going strong, but wants to listen to them :-).


>I have a hi-fi AM tuner that coupled with small frame antenna ( 40x40 cm)  is capable of FM like results from good, local broadcasts. 

You must be living very close to the transmitter.

- On SSB the SNR is the same as the RF SNR. To get 10 dB improvement
in the audio SNR, you need 10 times more power-
- For strong (local) signals, this also applies to AM
- For FM transmissions the audio SNR is FM_gain + CNR (carrier to
noise ratio).  Above the FM threshold  the cost of increasing the SNR
is as costly as on AM
- for digital, going from 48 dB to 96 dB (8 to 16 bits) SNR only
requires doubling the bandwidth and hence transmitter power.

>
>It uses just 2 small valves. 
>
>
>
>....  Phil 
>

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#452189

FromPhil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-16 16:19 -0700
Message-ID<5fcc55ec-d716-4ac7-89d0-14275882fe9f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452184
upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
Phil Allison

> >> 
> >> The gain ( = directivity x efficiency) for a typical loopstick  is
> >> very bad in the order of -60 to -80 dB, 
> >>
> >
> > ** Compared to what ??? 
> 
> I when the gain is worse than -60 dB,

** You have not understood the question, by trying too hard to be a smartarse. 


> >
> >  A half wave antenna 150 meters long?
> 
>  The effective hight for a short antenna /in this case strung into the
> trees) is only a few  dBs below a full size antenna. For derivation,
> check John.D. Kraus: "Antennas"

 ** Try actually answering the question sometime - dickhead. 


> >
> >> But thanks to the extremely high band noise at LF and MF,
> >> you still get usable SNR with such designs.
> >
> >** This is not right.
> >
> >Whatever the inherent atmospheric noise at MF, the signal from the transmitter can over-ride it. 
> >
> >AM does not have inherently bad s/n unless you are DXing. 
> 
> Depending of the definition of DXing ,
>

 ** FFS -  you have the attention span of a gnat.

> 
> >I have a hi-fi AM tuner that coupled with small frame antenna 
> >( 40x40 cm)  is capable of FM like results from good, local broadcasts. 
> 
> You must be living very close to the transmitter.
>

** No more than the vast majority of people living in Sydney. 

  ( snip more smartase shite) 

  You are so full of bollocks it smells. 



....  Phil 

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