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RF bipolars RIP

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First post2017-03-06 16:51 -0800
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  RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 16:51 -0800
    Re: RF bipolars RIP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-06 18:01 -0800
      Re: RF bipolars RIP Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-07 03:19 +0100
        Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 18:25 -0800
          Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-06 19:03 -0800
          Re: RF bipolars RIP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-06 19:11 -0800
            Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 20:40 -0800
          Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 07:28 -0800
        Re: RF bipolars RIP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-06 18:31 -0800
          Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 20:44 -0800
            Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 10:17 -0500
              Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 08:08 -0800
                Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 12:15 -0500
                  Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 09:30 -0800
                  Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 09:33 -0800
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 12:44 -0500
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-07 17:53 +0000
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 10:59 -0800
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 11:06 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 11:16 -0800
                  Re: RF bipolars RIP "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-07 15:11 -0600
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 14:30 -0800
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-07 15:47 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-07 15:55 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-03-08 11:50 +0100
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 16:36 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 04:40 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-08 06:24 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-03-07 16:55 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-08 06:40 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Piotr Wyderski <no@mail.com> - 2017-03-09 07:10 +0100
                          Re: RF bipolars RIP dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-03-10 21:32 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-07 22:57 -0600
              Re: RF bipolars RIP, grab em while you can Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-09 04:05 -0800
                Re: RF bipolars RIP, grab em while you can pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 04:44 -0800
            Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-07 17:50 +0000
              Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 11:08 -0800
                Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 11:09 -0800
                  Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 14:34 -0500
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 15:40 -0500
                  Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-07 20:41 +0000
                    Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 13:08 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-07 15:14 -0600
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 16:17 -0500
                          Re: RF bipolars RIP "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-07 23:09 -0600
                            Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 21:34 -0800
                              Re: RF bipolars RIP "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-08 14:24 -0600
                                Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-08 13:10 -0800
                              Re: RF bipolars RIP "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 14:19 -0500
                                Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-09 22:10 +0000
                                  Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-10 11:50 -0500
                                    Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-10 12:52 -0500
                                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 19:01 +0000
                                          Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-10 15:19 -0500
                                            Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 21:42 +0000
                                              Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-10 17:52 -0500
                                                Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 23:38 +0000
                                                  Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-10 17:38 -0800
                                                    Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-11 10:23 +0000
                                                      Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-11 03:30 -0800
                                                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-11 12:50 +0000
                                                          Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-11 10:49 -0500
                                                            Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-11 15:55 +0000
                                                              Re: RF bipolars RIP "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 11:45 -0500
                                                                Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-11 16:50 -0500
                                                            Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 08:58 -0800
                                                              Re: RF bipolars RIP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-11 16:52 -0500
                                                Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-10 18:08 -0800
                                            Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 07:47 -0800
                                              Re: RF bipolars RIP Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-11 15:56 +0000
                                                Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 09:02 -0800
                                  Re: RF bipolars RIP "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-10 13:28 -0500
                            Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 04:35 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 14:05 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 14:33 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-07 15:40 -0800
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 16:44 -0800
                      Re: RF bipolars RIP Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-08 10:19 +0200
                        Re: RF bipolars RIP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-08 04:30 -0800
                          Re: RF bipolars RIP Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-03-08 15:38 +0200
      Re: RF bipolars RIP Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-03-09 23:50 -0800
        Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-10 05:39 -0800
        Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 07:15 -0800
    Re: RF bipolars RIP "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 21:55 +0000
      Re: RF bipolars RIP Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-07 14:10 -0800
      Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 14:43 -0800
    Re: RF bipolars RIP Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-03-10 23:54 -0600
      Re: RF bipolars RIP pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-11 04:32 -0800
      Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 07:54 -0800
        Re: RF bipolars RIP krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-11 11:15 -0500
          Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 09:17 -0800
            Re: RF bipolars RIP "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 15:11 -0500
              Re: RF bipolars RIP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 14:22 -0800
                Re: RF bipolars RIP "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 21:11 -0500
            Re: RF bipolars RIP krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-11 21:04 -0500

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#450540 — RF bipolars RIP

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-06 16:51 -0800
SubjectRF bipolars RIP
Message-ID<hf0sbcdr6q698nj4kf0o4afbch9i842oth@4ax.com>

Looks like NXP is discontinuing their SOT89 RF bipolars, like BFQ149
and BFG31 and such. Bummer. I just designed them in.

They have equivalent SOT23s that they rate for 600 milliwatts. 

SIX HUNDRED MILLIWATTS!

Maybe I can get by with some OnSemi 600 MHz SOT89 parts. Kinda slow.



-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#450554

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-03-06 18:01 -0800
Message-ID<o9l49201v67@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#450540
John Larkin wrote...
>
> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..

 Lifetime buys in order.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#450558

FromGerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de>
Date2017-03-07 03:19 +0100
Message-ID<ei6jlqFg2qcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#450554
Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
> John Larkin wrote...
>>
>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>
>  Lifetime buys in order.
>
>
Infineon stil has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP Situation is ugly.
No more easy current source loads at RF.

cheers, Gerhard

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#450559

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-06 18:25 -0800
Message-ID<ee6sbcda71to4jh7vl7f05fjngj8fmjv0u@4ax.com>
In reply to#450558
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 03:19:37 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann
<ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote:

>Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>
>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>
>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>
>>
>Infineon stil has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP Situation is ugly.
>No more easy current source loads at RF.
>
>cheers, Gerhard

Yeah, I just designed in a SOT89 PNP, BFQ149.

Maybe I'll buy 5000 and worry about it later.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#450567

FromGeorge Herold <gherold@teachspin.com>
Date2017-03-06 19:03 -0800
Message-ID<6b873b44-0789-4996-bb53-2b2449af9952@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#450559
On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:25:55 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 03:19:37 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann
> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote:
> 
> >Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
> >> John Larkin wrote...
> >>>
> >>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
> >>
> >>  Lifetime buys in order.
> >>
> >>
> >Infineon stil has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP Situation is ugly.
> >No more easy current source loads at RF.
> >
> >cheers, Gerhard
> 
> Yeah, I just designed in a SOT89 PNP, BFQ149.
> 
> Maybe I'll buy 5000 and worry about it later.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
> picosecond timing   precision measurement 
> 
> jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
> http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Maybe you'll be dead...:^)
or maybe someone else will pick-em up? 
I think we're still buying RF power transistors
from Russia or somewhere... ~70 MHz at 1-2W.
(70 MHz is my freq, I don't recall where they roll off.)

Can't you use a Fet somehow?  
 
George H. 

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#450570

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-03-06 19:11 -0800
Message-ID<o9l8ck025kn@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#450559
John Larkin wrote...
> Yeah, I just designed in a SOT89 PNP, BFQ149.
> Maybe I'll buy 5000 and worry about it later.

 What's the good NPN complement?


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#450576

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-06 20:40 -0800
Message-ID<scesbcpvsv9aog4gm4876bp9q5lsb060v7@4ax.com>
In reply to#450570
On 6 Mar 2017 19:11:16 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:

>John Larkin wrote...
>> Yeah, I just designed in a SOT89 PNP, BFQ149.
>> Maybe I'll buy 5000 and worry about it later.
>
> What's the good NPN complement?

BFQ18, still listed as in production.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#450623

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-07 07:28 -0800
Message-ID<ei81tkFollkU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#450559
On 2017-03-06 18:25, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 03:19:37 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann
> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>
>>>   Lifetime buys in order.
>>>
>>>
>> Infineon stil has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP Situation is ugly.
>> No more easy current source loads at RF.
>>
>> cheers, Gerhard
>
> Yeah, I just designed in a SOT89 PNP, BFQ149.
>
> Maybe I'll buy 5000 and worry about it later.
>

Or maybe buy 20k, at less than $0.50/ea that could be a nice investment 
if you end up not using them. It is likely that obsolete parts dealers 
come banging on your door who are then willing to pay 5-10x that money. 
I just had a situation like that but could not help them because I 
didn't know any former clients who had stock in the part left.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#450569

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-03-06 18:31 -0800
Message-ID<o9l61s0221m@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#450558
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>
>Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>
>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>
>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>
> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
> source loads at RF.

 What about Diodes / Zetex parts?


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#450577

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-06 20:44 -0800
Message-ID<ceesbc1dau6i0kfeggv8f1cqbpka6cf98u@4ax.com>
In reply to#450569
On 6 Mar 2017 18:31:24 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:

>Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>>
>>Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>
>>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>>
>> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
>> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
>> source loads at RF.
>
> What about Diodes / Zetex parts?

I spent the afternoon looking. All the available SOT89s are really
slow. I need to dissipate 600 mW in the PNP, so the SOT23 and such are
out.

Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#450622

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-03-07 10:17 -0500
Message-ID<xZadnVJBO5i5UiPFnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#450577
On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2017 18:31:24 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>>>
>>> Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>>
>>>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>>>
>>> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
>>> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
>>> source loads at RF.
>>
>> What about Diodes / Zetex parts?
> 
> I spent the afternoon looking. All the available SOT89s are really
> slow. I need to dissipate 600 mW in the PNP, so the SOT23 and such are
> out.

So one would have to parallel BFT93s, then.  Blech.

> 
> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
> 
> 

I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
action and possibly future competitive advantage.

Inconvenient.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#450628

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-07 08:08 -0800
Message-ID<4jmtbc5cbo1okcsgechgv4m7bp3lav9ht1@4ax.com>
In reply to#450622
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On 6 Mar 2017 18:31:24 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>>>
>>>>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>>>>
>>>> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
>>>> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
>>>> source loads at RF.
>>>
>>> What about Diodes / Zetex parts?
>> 
>> I spent the afternoon looking. All the available SOT89s are really
>> slow. I need to dissipate 600 mW in the PNP, so the SOT23 and such are
>> out.
>
>So one would have to parallel BFT93s, then.  Blech.

Yes. And balance the currents. And pray they don't oscillate.

>
>> 
>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>> 
>> 
>
>I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>action and possibly future competitive advantage.

It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#450635

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-03-07 12:15 -0500
Message-ID<-ZmdnV-AmY1SdyPFnZ2dnUU7-XXNnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#450628
On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On 6 Mar 2017 18:31:24 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>>>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
>>>>> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
>>>>> source loads at RF.
>>>>
>>>> What about Diodes / Zetex parts?
>>>
>>> I spent the afternoon looking. All the available SOT89s are really
>>> slow. I need to dissipate 600 mW in the PNP, so the SOT23 and such are
>>> out.
>>
>> So one would have to parallel BFT93s, then.  Blech.
> 
> Yes. And balance the currents. And pray they don't oscillate.

One approach when you don't need wide range fast slewing is an NPN
connected as a pseudo-inductor (resistor from C-B, cap from B-E).  It's
good for stiffening PNP current sources.  Of course the limited slew
range probably leaves out every single one of your applications. :(

> 
>>
>>>
>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
> 
> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.

Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#450636

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-07 09:30 -0800
Message-ID<jfrtbc5jjniiqpk5ns0kmv4cc8vt0437ud@4ax.com>
In reply to#450635
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 12:15:59 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On 6 Mar 2017 18:31:24 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gerhard Hoffmann wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 07.03.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Winfield Hill:
>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like NXP is discontinuing ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Lifetime buys in order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Infineon still has Sot-89 RF NPNs, but the PNP
>>>>>> Situation is ugly.  No more easy current
>>>>>> source loads at RF.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about Diodes / Zetex parts?
>>>>
>>>> I spent the afternoon looking. All the available SOT89s are really
>>>> slow. I need to dissipate 600 mW in the PNP, so the SOT23 and such are
>>>> out.
>>>
>>> So one would have to parallel BFT93s, then.  Blech.
>> 
>> Yes. And balance the currents. And pray they don't oscillate.
>
>One approach when you don't need wide range fast slewing


OK, you can stop right there! 


 is an NPN
>connected as a pseudo-inductor (resistor from C-B, cap from B-E).  It's
>good for stiffening PNP current sources.  Of course the limited slew
>range probably leaves out every single one of your applications. :(
>
>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
>> 
>> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.
>
>Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#450637

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-07 09:33 -0800
Message-ID<ei896eFq5ilU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#450635
On 2017-03-07 09:15, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:


[...]


>>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
>>
>> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.
>
> Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)
>

However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese 
have figured out how to cash in.

http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6L6-5881-Tube-Types/Svetlana-6L6GC

Even very cool looking ones:

http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/treasure-globe-6sn7-se-pair-gf-limited-special-edition/

I had a bet going with a boss in the 80's that our ultrasound Doppler 
units could have already been built very economically in WW-II and 
before, with tubes. He didn't believe it. When I gradually retire I 
could build such a machine. Got the tubes, sockets and stuff. Problem 
is, neither of us has cardiovascular issues so we don't really need it. 
Also, the only way to build such a device would be with highly polished 
wood and brass as an enclosure.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#450639

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-03-07 12:44 -0500
Message-ID<e6cf64da-cdcb-7b6e-5ea4-d77bd53622ed@electrooptical.net>
In reply to#450637
On 03/07/2017 12:33 PM, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-03-07 09:15, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
>>>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>>>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>>>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>>>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>>>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
>>>
>>> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.
>>
>> Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)
>>
> 
> However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese
> have figured out how to cash in.

I don't think they've figured out how to make P-channel ones yet, though. ;)

> 
> http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6L6-5881-Tube-Types/Svetlana-6L6GC
> 
> Even very cool looking ones:
> 
> http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/treasure-globe-6sn7-se-pair-gf-limited-special-edition/
> 
> 
> I had a bet going with a boss in the 80's that our ultrasound Doppler
> units could have already been built very economically in WW-II and
> before, with tubes. He didn't believe it. When I gradually retire I
> could build such a machine. Got the tubes, sockets and stuff. Problem
> is, neither of us has cardiovascular issues so we don't really need it.
> Also, the only way to build such a device would be with highly polished
> wood and brass as an enclosure.

When I was at IBM, I used an 811A to switch bias onto the grids of a
drift chamber.  No semiconductor could come near its performance for
that job.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#450642

FromCursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>
Date2017-03-07 17:53 +0000
Message-ID<o9ms36$to3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#450637
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:33:07 -0800, Joerg wrote:

> However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese
> have figured out how to cash in.
> 

Yes, the Russians make some killer tubes, god bless 'em and good luck to 
them for their efforts. Not sure about Chinese ones, though. I still 
don't trust anything made in China.

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#450660

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-07 10:59 -0800
Message-ID<ei8e97Fr72qU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#450642
On 2017-03-07 09:53, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:33:07 -0800, Joerg wrote:
>
>> However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese
>> have figured out how to cash in.
>>
>
> Yes, the Russians make some killer tubes, god bless 'em and good luck to
> them for their efforts. Not sure about Chinese ones, though. I still
> don't trust anything made in China.
>

Some electronics from China are of good quality. Some of the dealers 
there are less than honest though. I just had one who promised twice to 
send a warranty replacement, never did, and doesn't respond to emails. 
I'll have to check how long one can place a credit card payment in 
dispute, just out of principle.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#450662

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-03-07 11:06 -0800
Message-ID<g21ubcdtme1m5sjpa6bfk6motguoqpoiql@4ax.com>
In reply to#450637
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:33:07 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-03-07 09:15, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>
>[...]
>
>
>>>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>>>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>>>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>>>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>>>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
>>>
>>> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.
>>
>> Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)
>>
>
>However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese 
>have figured out how to cash in.
>
>http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6L6-5881-Tube-Types/Svetlana-6L6GC
>
>Even very cool looking ones:
>
>http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/treasure-globe-6sn7-se-pair-gf-limited-special-edition/
>
>I had a bet going with a boss in the 80's that our ultrasound Doppler 
>units could have already been built very economically in WW-II and 
>before, with tubes. He didn't believe it. When I gradually retire I 
>could build such a machine. Got the tubes, sockets and stuff. Problem 
>is, neither of us has cardiovascular issues so we don't really need it. 
>Also, the only way to build such a device would be with highly polished 
>wood and brass as an enclosure.

Black wrinkle finish, engraved and filled lettering.

Geez, there was some ugly gear back when. The Tek 530-series scopes
were a stunning style breakthrough.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#450666

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2017-03-07 11:16 -0800
Message-ID<ei8f92FreljU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#450662
On 2017-03-07 11:06, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:33:07 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-07 09:15, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> On 03/07/2017 11:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:17:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/06/2017 11:44 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>>>>> Same issue as the phemts: fast discretes are disappearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ordered a reel of BFG403s (basically a 17-GHz BFT25A), which are on
>>>>> LTB, and am plotting to get some SKY65050s, ATF38143s, ATF55143s,
>>>>> BFP640s, BFP650s, BFU520As, and a few others that are still apparently
>>>>> in production.  Ties up a few $k in inventory, but preserves freedom of
>>>>> action and possibly future competitive advantage.
>>>>
>>>> It's rude of people to not make p-channel phemts.
>>>
>>> Tubes have a similar problem, for similar reasons. ;)
>>>
>>
>> However, tubes have a staunch constituency and the Russians and Chinese
>> have figured out how to cash in.
>>
>> http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6L6-5881-Tube-Types/Svetlana-6L6GC
>>
>> Even very cool looking ones:
>>
>> http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/treasure-globe-6sn7-se-pair-gf-limited-special-edition/
>>
>> I had a bet going with a boss in the 80's that our ultrasound Doppler
>> units could have already been built very economically in WW-II and
>> before, with tubes. He didn't believe it. When I gradually retire I
>> could build such a machine. Got the tubes, sockets and stuff. Problem
>> is, neither of us has cardiovascular issues so we don't really need it.
>> Also, the only way to build such a device would be with highly polished
>> wood and brass as an enclosure.
>
> Black wrinkle finish, engraved and filled lettering.
>

Or rhinestone lettering :-)


> Geez, there was some ugly gear back when. The Tek 530-series scopes
> were a stunning style breakthrough.
>

Aren't those with the tantalum issues? I don't mind an ugly unit that 
works for decades. Also, my 7704A ain't that bad-looking. Now the power 
supply goes zzzt at times but it's around 30 years old.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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