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Audiphoolery

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First post2017-02-04 05:22 -0800
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  Audiphoolery jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 05:22 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-04 20:02 +0530
      Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:03 +0000
        Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:59 -0800
          Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-04 23:45 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 16:33 -0800
              Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:05 +0000
                Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-05 07:42 -0800
                  Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 17:23 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:06 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-06 09:54 +0100
                Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:36 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-05 02:17 +0530
          Re: Audiphoolery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 13:53 -0700
      Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-05 01:53 +0530
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 16:07 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-04 21:19 -0500
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 23:55 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 00:03 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:08 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:21 -0500
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:07 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 14:16 -0600
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:42 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 12:52 -0800
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:59 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 13:29 -0800
            Re: Audiphoolery Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-05 16:04 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 16:57 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:04 -0500
                  Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-05 14:12 -0800
                    Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:28 -0500
                      Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-05 14:36 -0800
                        Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:20 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:28 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 07:22 -0800
            Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:25 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 18:37 -0600
                Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:45 -0500
                  Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 20:29 -0600
                    Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 21:52 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:41 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:48 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-06 11:27 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 13:45 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 13:02 -0800
                  Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:18 -0500
                    Re: Audiphoolery "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-02-06 16:52 -0800
                      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 20:31 -0500
                      Re: Audiphoolery Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 03:38 +0000
                    Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-07 11:06 -0800
                      Re: Audiphoolery dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-02-07 11:36 -0800
                        Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-07 12:43 -0800
                          Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-07 13:54 -0800
                            Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-02-07 17:30 -0600
                          Re: Audiphoolery Chris <c@b.a> - 2017-02-08 14:56 +1100
                Re: Audiphoolery Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-07 23:13 +0000
    Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:13 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2017-02-04 14:11 -0600
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 16:03 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2017-02-04 18:01 -0600
          Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:10 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 12:38 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 11:32 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-02-04 20:52 -0600
    Re: Audiphoolery Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:17 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-02-05 12:22 +0200
    Re: Audiphoolery Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-06 20:13 +0000
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:30 -0500

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#446369

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-02-05 21:52 -0500
Message-ID<i6pf9c1n92drirg88c6rf18mu6o3drj285@4ax.com>
In reply to#446366
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 20:29:22 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

>On 2/5/2017 6:45 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:37:20 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/2017 6:25 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
>>>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/05/2017 03:16 PM, amdx wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/4/2017 3:07 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/04/2017 09:32 AM, Pimpom wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2017 6:52 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ........<snip>..........
>>>>>>>>> They are already spending $3,000 on a KIT for a single ended triode
>>>>>>>>> mode 6BQ5 amp that puts out about a watt and a half a channel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about the HDMI cable offered for $4950 at Amazon not too long ago?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a friend (RIP) who once spoke admiringly of the extensive audio
>>>>>>>> gear owned by someone he met on a business trip, calling him "a real
>>>>>>>> audiophile". I told him we call such people audiophools and briefly
>>>>>>>> explained why. He caught on quickly and we had a good laugh. He really
>>>>>>>> liked the term and often used it afterwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out where my brother lives in Utah it's apparently popular to buy a
>>>>>>> $57,000 work truck, lift it up on some gigantic fuck-off rims, keep it
>>>>>>> polished to a brilliant shine, and never use it to do any hauling, ever.
>>>>>>> No! No! Don't touch the bed! It's gonna get scratched!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's a similar mentality...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Quote;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “So what’s wrong with my truck?”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know how you feel – trucks are fun, and everybody has ’em. How could
>>>>>> this be wrong? To figure it out, let’s review the basics of what a truck
>>>>>> is really supposed to accomplish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     To make you money.
>>>>>>     To make you look good in front of other people.  End Quote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-work-truck-say-about-you/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                              Mikek
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> New trucks are insane expensive. Things a good full size work truck
>>>>> should have at the minimum, IMO:
>>>>
>>>> I paid $25K for mine.  Is that "insane expensive"?
>>>>>
>>>   Paid $11k for my 1997 T-100 in 2000, it's our daily driver, just
>>> clicked over 100,000 miles. Does everything I need it to do.
>>
>> I didn't buy mine from Henry Ford.  I bought it, new, in 2014.  I got
>> a good deal on it but you just have to look.
>>
>
>  I didn't buy mine from Kiichiro Toyoda either! But mine gets me from 
>point A to B with air conditioning, easy driving and good gas mileage 
>and it looks good.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/otuct1qnbg5ji0m/2002-01-01%2000.00.00-43.jpg?dl=0
>   Also, I don't need remote operated running boards to get in it. :-)

Prices change a little in a decade-and-a-half.

>
>>>  The local Ford dealer has a commercial running featuring a Pickup
>>> truck for $54,900. That's insane.
>>
>> It depends on what you want.  You can spend ~half that on almost the
>> same truck.  It's what people want.
>>
>
>
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#446376

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-06 00:41 -0500
Message-ID<B0UlA.34771$i35.30930@fx14.iad>
In reply to#446355
On 02/05/2017 07:25 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/05/2017 03:16 PM, amdx wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2017 3:07 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 02/04/2017 09:32 AM, Pimpom wrote:
>>>>> On 2/4/2017 6:52 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ........<snip>..........
>>>>>> They are already spending $3,000 on a KIT for a single ended triode
>>>>>> mode 6BQ5 amp that puts out about a watt and a half a channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the HDMI cable offered for $4950 at Amazon not too long ago?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a friend (RIP) who once spoke admiringly of the extensive audio
>>>>> gear owned by someone he met on a business trip, calling him "a real
>>>>> audiophile". I told him we call such people audiophools and briefly
>>>>> explained why. He caught on quickly and we had a good laugh. He really
>>>>> liked the term and often used it afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Out where my brother lives in Utah it's apparently popular to buy a
>>>> $57,000 work truck, lift it up on some gigantic fuck-off rims, keep it
>>>> polished to a brilliant shine, and never use it to do any hauling, ever.
>>>> No! No! Don't touch the bed! It's gonna get scratched!
>>>>
>>>> I think it's a similar mentality...
>>>
>>>  Quote;
>>>
>>>
>>> “So what’s wrong with my truck?”
>>>
>>> I know how you feel – trucks are fun, and everybody has ’em. How could
>>> this be wrong? To figure it out, let’s review the basics of what a truck
>>> is really supposed to accomplish.
>>>
>>>     To make you money.
>>>     To make you look good in front of other people.  End Quote
>>>
>>>> http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-work-truck-say-about-you/
>>>>
>>>
>>>                              Mikek
>>>
>>
>> New trucks are insane expensive. Things a good full size work truck
>> should have at the minimum, IMO:
>
> I paid $25K for mine.  Is that "insane expensive"?
>>
>> regular cab
>
> Nope.  Extended (but not King).  Need somewhere inside to put things
> and occaisionally carry an extra passenger or two (car is, for all
> practical purposes, a 2-seater).
>
>> 8' bed
>
> A rarity.  Though with the tail gate down, mine is.
>
>> V8 engine
>
> Check
>
>> 4x4
>
> Useless here.
>
>> half-ton
>
> Meaningless description
>>
>> I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an
>> extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You
>> could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.
>
> Nonsense.
>

Keep in mind these are MSRPs (on both vehicles, not including incentives.)

Add the supercab, keep the 8 foot bed and V8, drop the 4x4, and have no 
other packages or options, everything else stock and with a black paint 
job and the MSRP drops to 33k

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#446377

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-06 00:48 -0500
Message-ID<P6UlA.101248$WF4.68818@fx39.iad>
In reply to#446355
On 02/05/2017 07:25 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>> half-ton
>
> Meaningless description

They are "historical terms that under-represent current payload capacity 
and refer to vehicle class" i.e. an F-150 is a half-ton, an F-250 is 
three-quarter ton etc.

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#446424

FromNeon John <no@never.com>
Date2017-02-06 11:27 -0500
Message-ID<5k8h9c19dvuo6nfag2qh2df1j0jvkpgsv0@4ax.com>
In reply to#446326
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:


>I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an 
>extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You 
>could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.

Blame CAFE for that.  The manufacturers have to keep people from
buying too many vehicles with decent mileage, lest they exceed the
CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).  This is designed to force
people into shitboxes that get 40MPG and better.

Point the finger at the last administration and Congress.  Shortly
before the election they pushed CAFE up from 30-something to over
50MPG.  I'm sure Trump will fix this mess as soon as he gets a
water-cooled order signing pen :-)

John
John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com 
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

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#446441

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-06 13:45 -0500
Message-ID<_u3mA.157180$xZ1.79770@fx35.iad>
In reply to#446424
On 02/06/2017 11:27 AM, Neon John wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an
>> extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You
>> could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.
>
> Blame CAFE for that.  The manufacturers have to keep people from
> buying too many vehicles with decent mileage, lest they exceed the
> CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).  This is designed to force
> people into shitboxes that get 40MPG and better.
>
> Point the finger at the last administration and Congress.  Shortly
> before the election they pushed CAFE up from 30-something to over
> 50MPG.  I'm sure Trump will fix this mess as soon as he gets a
> water-cooled order signing pen :-)
>
> John
> John DeArmond
> http://www.neon-john.com
> http://www.tnduction.com
> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
> See website for email address
>

My car gets 70 MPGe on average, these days, and is frankly one of the 
most lovely technological marvels Detroit has ever made.

Big lifted pickups are mostly amusing to me. Sort of like magnetic 
forces, they do no real work. Oooh, Mr. Big Truck. Keep throwing your 
money away to the Saudis, that's a good boy.

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#446463

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-06 13:02 -0800
Message-ID<p2ph9ch4fo06ibb5qbj90he5d7qfe9d9h8@4ax.com>
In reply to#446441
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:45:13 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 02/06/2017 11:27 AM, Neon John wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an
>>> extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You
>>> could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.
>>
>> Blame CAFE for that.  The manufacturers have to keep people from
>> buying too many vehicles with decent mileage, lest they exceed the
>> CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).  This is designed to force
>> people into shitboxes that get 40MPG and better.
>>
>> Point the finger at the last administration and Congress.  Shortly
>> before the election they pushed CAFE up from 30-something to over
>> 50MPG.  I'm sure Trump will fix this mess as soon as he gets a
>> water-cooled order signing pen :-)
>>
>> John
>> John DeArmond
>> http://www.neon-john.com
>> http://www.tnduction.com
>> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
>> See website for email address
>>
>
>My car gets 70 MPGe on average, these days, and is frankly one of the 
>most lovely technological marvels Detroit has ever made.
>
>Big lifted pickups are mostly amusing to me. Sort of like magnetic 
>forces, they do no real work. Oooh, Mr. Big Truck. Keep throwing your 
>money away to the Saudis, that's a good boy.
>

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gasoline-Glut-Could-Ruin-The-Oil-Price-Party.html

With fracking, the US could export oil.


-- 

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picosecond timing   precision measurement 

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#446499

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-06 18:18 -0500
Message-ID<0v7mA.4$kK.2@fx15.iad>
In reply to#446463
On 02/06/2017 04:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:45:13 -0500, bitrex
> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/06/2017 11:27 AM, Neon John wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
>>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an
>>>> extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You
>>>> could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.
>>>
>>> Blame CAFE for that.  The manufacturers have to keep people from
>>> buying too many vehicles with decent mileage, lest they exceed the
>>> CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).  This is designed to force
>>> people into shitboxes that get 40MPG and better.
>>>
>>> Point the finger at the last administration and Congress.  Shortly
>>> before the election they pushed CAFE up from 30-something to over
>>> 50MPG.  I'm sure Trump will fix this mess as soon as he gets a
>>> water-cooled order signing pen :-)
>>>
>>> John
>>> John DeArmond
>>> http://www.neon-john.com
>>> http://www.tnduction.com
>>> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
>>> See website for email address
>>>
>>
>> My car gets 70 MPGe on average, these days, and is frankly one of the
>> most lovely technological marvels Detroit has ever made.
>>
>> Big lifted pickups are mostly amusing to me. Sort of like magnetic
>> forces, they do no real work. Oooh, Mr. Big Truck. Keep throwing your
>> money away to the Saudis, that's a good boy.
>>
>
> http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gasoline-Glut-Could-Ruin-The-Oil-Price-Party.html
>
> With fracking, the US could export oil.
>

The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.

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#446534

From"dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org>
Date2017-02-06 16:52 -0800
Message-ID<5c644bd1-7702-4d86-aee9-1011abdcb66a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#446499
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 6:18:23 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:


> The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
> to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
> extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.

Not true.

                   Dan

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#446558

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-06 20:31 -0500
Message-ID<%r9mA.94$SQ3.44@fx29.iad>
In reply to#446534
On 02/06/2017 07:52 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 6:18:23 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>
>
>> The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes
>> to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective
>> extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
>
> Not true.
>
>                    Dan
>

Let's hope nobody builds some fashion of giant orbiting space station 
where the executives could live out their remaining years as demigods, 
so we don't have to really find out what industry would do to make a buck.

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#446593

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2017-02-07 03:38 +0000
Message-ID<o7bffs$m5s$5@gonzo.alcatraz>
In reply to#446534
On 2017-02-07, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 6:18:23 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>
>
>> The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
>> to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
>> extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
>
> Not true.

only because they won't fit.


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#446670

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-07 11:06 -0800
Message-ID<bl6k9cdlrf1iuo26mr7esa00a8rqc56b49@4ax.com>
In reply to#446499
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 18:18:19 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 02/06/2017 04:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:45:13 -0500, bitrex
>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/06/2017 11:27 AM, Neon John wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 15:42:57 -0500, bitrex
>>>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just priced a new 2017 F-150 at Ford's site with these features and an
>>>>> extra or two like fog lights and a bed liner and it's north of 40k. You
>>>>> could get a BMW 4 series grand turismo for around the same price.
>>>>
>>>> Blame CAFE for that.  The manufacturers have to keep people from
>>>> buying too many vehicles with decent mileage, lest they exceed the
>>>> CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).  This is designed to force
>>>> people into shitboxes that get 40MPG and better.
>>>>
>>>> Point the finger at the last administration and Congress.  Shortly
>>>> before the election they pushed CAFE up from 30-something to over
>>>> 50MPG.  I'm sure Trump will fix this mess as soon as he gets a
>>>> water-cooled order signing pen :-)
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> John DeArmond
>>>> http://www.neon-john.com
>>>> http://www.tnduction.com
>>>> Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
>>>> See website for email address
>>>>
>>>
>>> My car gets 70 MPGe on average, these days, and is frankly one of the
>>> most lovely technological marvels Detroit has ever made.
>>>
>>> Big lifted pickups are mostly amusing to me. Sort of like magnetic
>>> forces, they do no real work. Oooh, Mr. Big Truck. Keep throwing your
>>> money away to the Saudis, that's a good boy.
>>>
>>
>> http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gasoline-Glut-Could-Ruin-The-Oil-Price-Party.html
>>
>> With fracking, the US could export oil.
>>
>
>The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
>to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
>extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.

I believe that was tried. The oil or gas or whatever was too
radioactive to use.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#446676

Fromdplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt)
Date2017-02-07 11:36 -0800
Message-ID<h6kpmd-5qu.ln1@coop.radagast.org>
In reply to#446670
In article <bl6k9cdlrf1iuo26mr7esa00a8rqc56b49@4ax.com>,
John Larkin  <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>>The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
>>to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
>>extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
>
>I believe that was tried. The oil or gas or whatever was too
>radioactive to use.

Project Plowshare (three detonations, in 1967, 1969, and 1973).
33-kiloton warheads.

The project was canceled after 1973, due to a combination of concerns
about the radioactivity of the gas, and an analysis which indicated
that the cost was prohibitive (they wouldn't have earned back as much
as 50% of the investment).

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#446681

FromLasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk>
Date2017-02-07 12:43 -0800
Message-ID<ee3a7e14-17fa-4512-b904-d194e4a5c065@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#446676
Den tirsdag den 7. februar 2017 kl. 21.07.40 UTC+1 skrev Dave Platt:
> In article <bl6k9cdlrf1iuo26mr7esa00a8rqc56b49@4ax.com>,
> John Larkin  <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> >>The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
> >>to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
> >>extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
> >
> >I believe that was tried. The oil or gas or whatever was too
> >radioactive to use.
> 
> Project Plowshare (three detonations, in 1967, 1969, and 1973).
> 33-kiloton warheads.
> 
> The project was canceled after 1973, due to a combination of concerns
> about the radioactivity of the gas, and an analysis which indicated
> that the cost was prohibitive (they wouldn't have earned back as much
> as 50% of the investment).

they had quite a few wacky ideas for what you could use nukes for back then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chariot

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#446691

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-07 13:54 -0800
Message-ID<cdgk9clqp1qmm7rmq17962qvh5ck7cflr3@4ax.com>
In reply to#446681
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 12:43:20 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den tirsdag den 7. februar 2017 kl. 21.07.40 UTC+1 skrev Dave Platt:
>> In article <bl6k9cdlrf1iuo26mr7esa00a8rqc56b49@4ax.com>,
>> John Larkin  <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >>The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes 
>> >>to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective 
>> >>extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
>> >
>> >I believe that was tried. The oil or gas or whatever was too
>> >radioactive to use.
>> 
>> Project Plowshare (three detonations, in 1967, 1969, and 1973).
>> 33-kiloton warheads.
>> 
>> The project was canceled after 1973, due to a combination of concerns
>> about the radioactivity of the gas, and an analysis which indicated
>> that the cost was prohibitive (they wouldn't have earned back as much
>> as 50% of the investment).
>
>they had quite a few wacky ideas for what you could use nukes for back then
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chariot

Teller was kind of a loonie. I met Edward Teller once, in the security
entrance building at LLNL. They treated him like God.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#446701

FromJon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu>
Date2017-02-07 17:30 -0600
Message-ID<tMednXDUHpXlxQfFnZ2dnUU7-YOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#446691
John Larkin wrote:


> Teller was kind of a loonie. I met Edward Teller once, in the security
> entrance building at LLNL. They treated him like God.
> 
> 
Ummm, at LLNL (and a few other places) he **WAS** god!

Jon

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#446749

FromChris <c@b.a>
Date2017-02-08 14:56 +1100
Message-ID<o7e4tm$8vq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#446681
On 8/02/2017 7:43 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> Den tirsdag den 7. februar 2017 kl. 21.07.40 UTC+1 skrev Dave Platt:
>> In article <bl6k9cdlrf1iuo26mr7esa00a8rqc56b49@4ax.com>,
>> John Larkin  <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> The petroleum industry would happily toss 100kt warheads down boreholes
>>>> to blow open the Earth's crust if someone determined it was an effective
>>>> extraction method, and a Conservative administration allowed it.
>>>
>>> I believe that was tried. The oil or gas or whatever was too
>>> radioactive to use.
>>
>> Project Plowshare (three detonations, in 1967, 1969, and 1973).
>> 33-kiloton warheads.
>>
>> The project was canceled after 1973, due to a combination of concerns
>> about the radioactivity of the gas, and an analysis which indicated
>> that the cost was prohibitive (they wouldn't have earned back as much
>> as 50% of the investment).
>
> they had quite a few wacky ideas for what you could use nukes for back then
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chariot
>
Also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

--
Cheers,
Chris.

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#446699

FromJulian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com>
Date2017-02-07 23:13 +0000
Message-ID<o7dkat$org$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#446441
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:45:13 -0500, bitrex wrote:

> My car gets 70 MPGe on average, 

What is it, a Prius? Only douchebags drive those kind of cars and youre a 
first class douchebag.

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#446107

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-04 09:13 -0800
Message-ID<o72c9c15jqiq2ioh7sd1ii3l1hm8qhcc21@4ax.com>
In reply to#446078
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 05:22:45 -0800 (PST), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

>Boy I have had enough of that for a while. 
>
>So I get into this argument about DC causing hum in transformers. We all know you cannot hear DC. What you are hearing is whatever funked up harmonic "glitch" into your nice AC sine wave. THAT is what you hear. 
>
>And they seem to allude to the fact that toroids are worse with that. Well now, if we can just agree that you are not hearing DC, and now you claim that this 137 mA or whatever is causing this buzz you are wrong. It is that glitch in the sine wave doing it. And after Phil over here telling us literally that some of these toroids are made out of scrap metal, I guess I see why, but you still are not hearing the DC and small amounts are, well small. 

Some net DC in windings can make a transformer saturate on alternate
half-cycles. That can cause acoustic hum from the transformer, and can
create nasty magnetic field pulses at 60 Hz. Stacked-lamination
transformers are more prone to mag field leakage, especially at the
lamination stackup transitions. Toroids, being symmetric, leak less
field, but tend to saturate easier and have low impedances so can make
giant primary current pulses at 60 Hz, which can themselves cause mag
fields from wiring or other things like AC line filters. Low-level
circuits can then pick up the mag fields.

So, some of that is real.

We sold one NMR gradient amp that had that problem. Even 1 PPM of hum
is nasty in NMR, like finding a roach in the soup.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#446144

FromJon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
Date2017-02-04 14:11 -0600
Message-ID<vv2dnUF9SND5qAvFnZ2dnUU7-K3NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#446078
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
> 
Audiophoolery is one of the VERY few places in the universe where there is 
something that TRULY knows no bounds!  The blind idiocy of these guys is 
totally without limit.  The eBay auction for one FOOT of really nicely 
braided power cord for $6800 was one of the best.  I've got an old one for 
some "Les Paul" capacitors (some really honking big oil-paper ones) for $150 
for two units posted on my wall at work.

Jon

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#446155

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-04 16:03 -0500
Message-ID<skrlA.84531$Ce.49850@fx11.iad>
In reply to#446144
On 02/04/2017 03:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
>>
> Audiophoolery is one of the VERY few places in the universe where there is
> something that TRULY knows no bounds!  The blind idiocy of these guys is
> totally without limit.  The eBay auction for one FOOT of really nicely
> braided power cord for $6800 was one of the best.  I've got an old one for
> some "Les Paul" capacitors (some really honking big oil-paper ones) for $150
> for two units posted on my wall at work.
>
> Jon
>

Hmm. Ugg see pretty girl. Pretty girl in audiophile magazine next to 
$6800 power cable. Hmm! Maybe if Ugg buy power cable, Ugg have pretty 
girl, too.

I'm pretty sure audiophoolery must be some kind of psycho-sexual thing, 
or unresolved Mommy issues. It's really the only thing that makes sense 
in explaining the madness

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