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| Started by | gm <notmy@mail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-02-04 21:41 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-02-05 16:38 -0800 |
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Battery charger with solar panel gm <notmy@mail.com> - 2017-02-04 21:41 +0100
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 13:49 -0700
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net> - 2017-02-04 21:39 +0000
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 17:05 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-02-04 14:42 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 16:00 -0700
Re: Battery charger with solar panel mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-02-04 16:35 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 17:38 -0700
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:42 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-05 04:22 +0000
Re: Battery charger with solar panel mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-02-04 23:26 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:55 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:54 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 03:55 +0000
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 23:41 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-04 18:17 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 22:36 -0500
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-05 01:03 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-04 22:02 -0700
Re: Battery charger with solar panel dakupoto@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 22:25 -0800
Re: Battery charger with solar panel boB <boB@theresnoplacelikehome.com> - 2017-02-05 16:38 -0800
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| From | gm <notmy@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 21:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Battery charger with solar panel |
| Message-ID | <o75ea0$j8l$1@l01news1.ot.hr> |
Hi to all. Did someone try this approach: http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg when designing solar charger ? Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. Other infos: - solar panel 15W - battery 12V / 7Ah GM
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 13:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7hfc9ch5153qdru4qdbf499kcks4vishtb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:41:51 +0100, gm <notmy@mail.com> wrote:
>Hi to all.
>
>Did someone try this approach:
>http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg
>
>when designing solar charger ?
>Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day..
>
>Other infos:
>- solar panel 15W
>- battery 12V / 7Ah
>
>GM
Easy enough to do with a comparator, see
"OverAndReverseVoltageProtection.pdf"
on the S.E.D/Schematics page of my website.
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 21:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o75hid$bhe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
gm prodded the keyboard with:
> Hi to all.
>
> Did someone try this approach:
> http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg
>
> when designing solar charger ?
> Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day..
>
> Other infos:
> - solar panel 15W
> - battery 12V / 7Ah
>
> GM
I've done exactly that using an LT8490 and the circuit on the data
sheet. My panel is a 300W 42V 8.5A. feeding two 110 Ah wet cell
leisure batteries.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 17:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o75j4s$go4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
On 2/4/2017 3:41 PM, gm wrote: > Hi to all. > > Did someone try this approach: > http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg > > when designing solar charger ? > Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. > > Other infos: > - solar panel 15W > - battery 12V / 7Ah Wouldn't that be a pretty inefficient design? The panel output voltage is dragged down by the shunt regulator wasting power both in the solar panel and the shunt regulator. You can find any number of converter circuits on eBay and elsewhere for cheap. Or you can build your own like Baron. The LT8490 looks like a pretty Cadillac chip at over $15. I found one guy who is already making boards and sharing the design. http://www.mictronics.de/tag/lt8490/ -- Rick C
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| From | mike <ham789@netzero.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 14:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o75lag$o0v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
On 2/4/2017 12:41 PM, gm wrote: > Hi to all. > > Did someone try this approach: > http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg > > when designing solar charger ? > Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. > > Other infos: > - solar panel 15W > - battery 12V / 7Ah > > GM The devil is in the details. You seem to be focused on the isolation diode loss. Are you in a location where you can reliably get 75Wh/day out of a 15W panel in winter? Depending on the time of load, you may be running the battery flat every day. Not a good idea. Charge efficiency is not 100%. Overdischarge management? Overcharge management? Depending on available insolation, time of load and the characteristics of your panel, you may be better off with a way bigger battery, way bigger panel and a MPPT controller. The MPPT is quite simple to build with a microcontroller. It also solves all your charge management issues.
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 16:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bimc9cl88e02e23hnvna4382cjob6vro25@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #446170 |
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:42:31 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>On 2/4/2017 12:41 PM, gm wrote:
>> Hi to all.
>>
>> Did someone try this approach:
>> http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg
>>
>> when designing solar charger ?
>> Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day..
>>
>> Other infos:
>> - solar panel 15W
>> - battery 12V / 7Ah
>>
>> GM
>The devil is in the details.
>
>You seem to be focused on the isolation diode loss.
>
>Are you in a location where you can reliably
>get 75Wh/day out of a 15W panel in winter?
>
>Depending on the time of load, you may be running
>the battery flat every day. Not a good idea.
>
>Charge efficiency is not 100%.
>
>Overdischarge management?
>
>Overcharge management?
>
>Depending on available insolation, time of load
>and the characteristics of your panel,
>you may be better off with a way bigger battery,
>way bigger panel and a MPPT controller.
>The MPPT is quite simple to build with a
>microcontroller. It also solves all your
>charge management issues.
Looks like the ideal solution to keeping my pick-em-up truck battery
charged, since I drive it only every few weeks.
And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| From | mike <ham789@netzero.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 16:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o75ru6$h2c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446175 |
On 2/4/2017 3:00 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:42:31 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: > >> On 2/4/2017 12:41 PM, gm wrote: >>> Hi to all. >>> >>> Did someone try this approach: >>> http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg >>> >>> when designing solar charger ? >>> Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. >>> >>> Other infos: >>> - solar panel 15W >>> - battery 12V / 7Ah >>> >>> GM >> The devil is in the details. >> >> You seem to be focused on the isolation diode loss. >> >> Are you in a location where you can reliably >> get 75Wh/day out of a 15W panel in winter? >> >> Depending on the time of load, you may be running >> the battery flat every day. Not a good idea. >> >> Charge efficiency is not 100%. >> >> Overdischarge management? >> >> Overcharge management? >> >> Depending on available insolation, time of load >> and the characteristics of your panel, >> you may be better off with a way bigger battery, >> way bigger panel and a MPPT controller. >> The MPPT is quite simple to build with a >> microcontroller. It also solves all your >> charge management issues. > > Looks like the ideal solution to keeping my pick-em-up truck battery > charged, since I drive it only every few weeks. Do you really need 75Wh/day? http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that making one. > > And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson >
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 17:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jtsc9cthg51bi56rls6f9glcqo1eqqs1d0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #446192 |
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 16:35:25 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>On 2/4/2017 3:00 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:42:31 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/4/2017 12:41 PM, gm wrote:
>>>> Hi to all.
>>>>
>>>> Did someone try this approach:
>>>> http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg
>>>>
>>>> when designing solar charger ?
>>>> Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day..
>>>>
>>>> Other infos:
>>>> - solar panel 15W
>>>> - battery 12V / 7Ah
>>>>
>>>> GM
>>> The devil is in the details.
>>>
>>> You seem to be focused on the isolation diode loss.
>>>
>>> Are you in a location where you can reliably
>>> get 75Wh/day out of a 15W panel in winter?
>>>
>>> Depending on the time of load, you may be running
>>> the battery flat every day. Not a good idea.
>>>
>>> Charge efficiency is not 100%.
>>>
>>> Overdischarge management?
>>>
>>> Overcharge management?
>>>
>>> Depending on available insolation, time of load
>>> and the characteristics of your panel,
>>> you may be better off with a way bigger battery,
>>> way bigger panel and a MPPT controller.
>>> The MPPT is quite simple to build with a
>>> microcontroller. It also solves all your
>>> charge management issues.
>>
>> Looks like the ideal solution to keeping my pick-em-up truck battery
>> charged, since I drive it only every few weeks.
>
>Do you really need 75Wh/day?
>http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html
>For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to
>turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that
>making one.
>>
>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
I was talking of others... I plan to buy that the next time I'm near
the Mesa Harbor Freight store.
...Jim Thompson
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 19:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o75s9v$h9p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446192 |
On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: > On 2/4/2017 3:00 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:42:31 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: >> >>> On 2/4/2017 12:41 PM, gm wrote: >>>> Hi to all. >>>> >>>> Did someone try this approach: >>>> http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg >>>> >>>> when designing solar charger ? >>>> Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. >>>> >>>> Other infos: >>>> - solar panel 15W >>>> - battery 12V / 7Ah >>>> >>>> GM >>> The devil is in the details. >>> >>> You seem to be focused on the isolation diode loss. >>> >>> Are you in a location where you can reliably >>> get 75Wh/day out of a 15W panel in winter? >>> >>> Depending on the time of load, you may be running >>> the battery flat every day. Not a good idea. >>> >>> Charge efficiency is not 100%. >>> >>> Overdischarge management? >>> >>> Overcharge management? >>> >>> Depending on available insolation, time of load >>> and the characteristics of your panel, >>> you may be better off with a way bigger battery, >>> way bigger panel and a MPPT controller. >>> The MPPT is quite simple to build with a >>> microcontroller. It also solves all your >>> charge management issues. >> >> Looks like the ideal solution to keeping my pick-em-up truck battery >> charged, since I drive it only every few weeks. > > Do you really need 75Wh/day? > http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html > For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to > turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that > making one. >> >> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. -- Rick C
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2017-02-05 04:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7699p$2a8$1@gonzo.alcatraz> |
| In reply to | #446196 |
On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: >>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) > > I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle > charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle > charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. How can you tell it's just barely enough? -- This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software
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| From | mike <ham789@netzero.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 23:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o76k15$vm3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446240 |
On 2/4/2017 8:22 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: > On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: > >>>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) >> >> I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle >> charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle >> charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. > > How can you tell it's just barely enough? > My truck draws 9mA. As I recall 6mA is the radio. All I need is that plus whatever self-discharge is going on.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 19:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o7b5re$usc$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446260 |
On 2/5/2017 2:26 AM, mike wrote: > On 2/4/2017 8:22 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: >> >>>>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) >>> >>> I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle >>> charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle >>> charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. >> >> How can you tell it's just barely enough? >> > My truck draws 9mA. As I recall 6mA is the radio. > All I need is that plus whatever self-discharge is going on. The self discharge is not trivial. Or I should say the trickle current to maintain a car battery. Without rereading all the post to find what size battery you are charging, it *is* a regular car battery, right? Or do you have one of those sealed gel cells? -- Rick C
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 19:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o7b5o8$usc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446240 |
On 2/4/2017 11:22 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: > On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: > >>>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) >> >> I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle >> charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle >> charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. > > How can you tell it's just barely enough? You clipped my example. It would take a full day to charge a slightly run down battery. If it was fully down it would take three days. I've measured the current it supplies and I see very little difference when it is run down or fully topped off. -- Rick C
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 03:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7bgf7$nd2$1@gonzo.alcatraz> |
| In reply to | #446535 |
On 2017-02-07, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/4/2017 11:22 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: >> >>>>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) >>> >>> I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle >>> charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle >>> charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. >> >> How can you tell it's just barely enough? > > You clipped my example. Huh? I quoted all that arrived here. > It would take a full day to charge a slightly run down battery. "barely enough" is, to my mind less than twice the self discharge rate. > If it was fully down it would take three days. If the vehicle can sit for 4 weeks (without the battery being fully depleted) and then recover on that charger in only 3 days, I'd say it's got at-least 8 times excess capacity (for for the task of preventing unattended discharge) > I've measured the current it supplies and I see very little difference > when it is run down or fully topped off. That is not unusual in a constant-current charger. -- This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 23:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o7bj1s$pub$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446594 |
On 2/6/2017 10:55 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: > On 2017-02-07, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2/4/2017 11:22 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >>> On 2017-02-05, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2/4/2017 7:35 PM, mike wrote: >>> >>>>>> And in Arizona we certainly don't lack for sunshine ;-) >>>> >>>> I believe that is only 1.5 watts. That's barely enough to trickle >>>> charge a car battery. I've used a 2 watt, 15 volt wall wart to trickle >>>> charge a car battery and that's just barely enough running 24/7. >>> >>> How can you tell it's just barely enough? >> >> You clipped my example. > > Huh? I quoted all that arrived here. > >> It would take a full day to charge a slightly run down battery. > > "barely enough" is, to my mind less than twice the self discharge rate. > >> If it was fully down it would take three days. > > If the vehicle can sit for 4 weeks (without the battery being fully depleted) > and then recover on that charger in only 3 days, I'd say it's got > at-least 8 times excess capacity (for for the task of preventing unattended > discharge) Yeah, well I'm not sure there is any meaning to that calculation. This unit barely will put current into the battery. >> I've measured the current it supplies and I see very little difference >> when it is run down or fully topped off. > > That is not unusual in a constant-current charger. Who said it was a constant current charger? It's a tiny wall wart that barely charges the battery. Even a 2 amp charger will fully charge a battery overnight. This thing takes days because there is very little excess capacity compared to the minimum current required to keep the thing up. But then again, I guess it is constant current considering that the battery always draws the full load it is capable of delivering. It's a 15 volt power pack and once attached to the battery it never gets above 13.5 volts. So it does put out a constant current under those conditions. I don't think charging a lead acid battery is a zero sum game. -- Rick C
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 18:17 -0800 |
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| In reply to | #446192 |
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 16:35:25 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: >Do you really need 75Wh/day? >http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html >For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to >turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that >making one. Argh. That's an amorphous silicon solar panel. Low efficiency (about 7%) but cheap to produce and works in low light and shade: <http://www.solar-facts-and-advice.com/amorphous-silicon.html> <http://energyinformative.org/amorphous-silicon-solar-panels/> In full sunlight, open circuit voltage = 20v and short circuit current = 0.1A or 2 watts. I have two solar panels similar to the Harbor Freight model. I used them in the distant past to keep the battery charged when I had a collection of dead vehicles parked in front of my house. <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/home/slides/cars.html> A dead car in front is considered a status symbol and indication that I own the house as no landlord would let a tenant collect dead cars. During the winter, I had to top off the batteries every week with a boost from a conventional battery charger: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/dead-battery-chargers.html> as the solar panels were insufficient. I eventually went to a 12v 1.5A "battery maintainer" powered by the AC line. They worked quite well until someone stole both of them. I also have an ICP Solar 04021 Battery Saver Plus 5w, which is about twice the size of the Harbor Freight model, and allegedly delivers twice the power: <https://www.amazon.com/ICP-Solar-04021-BatterySaver-Plus/dp/B00008IHTV/> Oddly, I've never tried to use it. Incidentally, you can purchase a ready made solar powered battery maintainer. Just add a solar panel: <http://products.batterytender.com/Accessories/Battery-Tender-Solar-Controller.html> <http://products.batterytender.com/021-1162-man.pdf> Or, get it with a 5w, 10w, or 15w panel built in: <http://products.batterytender.com/Chargers/> (near bottom of page). -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 22:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o766h4$25v$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 2/4/2017 9:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 16:35:25 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: > >> Do you really need 75Wh/day? >> http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html >> For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to >> turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that >> making one. > > Argh. That's an amorphous silicon solar panel. Low efficiency (about > 7%) but cheap to produce and works in low light and shade: > <http://www.solar-facts-and-advice.com/amorphous-silicon.html> > <http://energyinformative.org/amorphous-silicon-solar-panels/> > In full sunlight, open circuit voltage = 20v and short circuit current > = 0.1A or 2 watts. Not sure why you are multiplying these numbers, but assuming this is the potential power output from the panel is a faulty deduction. Is this just a convention for rating a panel? -- Rick C
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-05 01:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <44od9chhbckkju4s96g10mp65o6e87qoi8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #446218 |
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:36:45 -0500, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >On 2/4/2017 9:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 16:35:25 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: >> >>> Do you really need 75Wh/day? >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html >>> For $12, it's hardly worth walking all the way to the lab to >>> turn on a soldering iron so you can spend way more than that >>> making one. >> Argh. That's an amorphous silicon solar panel. Low efficiency (about >> 7%) but cheap to produce and works in low light and shade: >> <http://www.solar-facts-and-advice.com/amorphous-silicon.html> >> <http://energyinformative.org/amorphous-silicon-solar-panels/> >> In full sunlight, open circuit voltage = 20v and short circuit current >> = 0.1A or 2 watts. >Not sure why you are multiplying these numbers, but assuming this is the >potential power output from the panel is a faulty deduction. Is this >just a convention for rating a panel? Nope. You're correct but I didn't want to get into the details. The data sheets sometimes use the simple arithmetic I used. However, the real power output is about 20% less. The difference is called the fill factor. Measure Voc (Voltage open circuit) and Isc (Current short circuit) and plug it into the calculator below. Multiply and you get Pt (theoretical power), the maximum power that an ideal solar panel can deliver. Multiply again by the approximate fill factor and you get a more realistic value for Pmax (maximum power): <http://www.ni.com/white-paper/7230/en/> <http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/solar-cell-efficiency> <http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/fill-factor-0> <http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/short-circuit-current> <http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/open-circuit-voltage> Everything else causes the power output to decrease. Output drops when the panel gets hot, the angle of the sun is less than perpendicular, dirt on the glass, voltage drop from series diodes, reflections, weather, clouds, panel aging, etc. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 22:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o76bi3$d6a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
On 2/4/2017 1:41 PM, gm wrote: > Hi to all. > > Did someone try this approach: > http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg > > when designing solar charger ? > Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. > > Other infos: > - solar panel 15W > - battery 12V / 7Ah Google "MPPT"
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| From | dakupoto@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 22:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <52f1ea2d-9730-48a9-94b3-5d37d68ed1a5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446149 |
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:41:40 PM UTC-5, gm wrote: > Hi to all. > > Did someone try this approach: > http://cds.linear.com/image/314_circuit_1.jpg > > when designing solar charger ? > Power consumption will be under 75Wh per day.. > > Other infos: > - solar panel 15W > - battery 12V / 7Ah > > GM A very simple charger can be constructed with a few current limiting resistors and forward biased diodes. The reverse breakdown voltage of the diodes must be larger than the maximum battery voltage so that the battery does not reverse discharge into the solar panel, after sundown. Ideally, the maximum charging current should be 700 mA, i.e., (battery AH rating)/10.0 -- current limiting resistors ensure this, as well as ensuring that the maximum forward current of the diodes is not exceded. Also note that the solar panel power output rating is what has been measured under ideal testing conditions of the manufacturer -- on site daily power output will vary will depend on that day's weather conditions.
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