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| Started by | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| First post | 2017-02-06 00:40 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-02-07 04:19 +0000 |
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Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 00:40 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 00:56 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 02:19 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:22 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 11:57 +0000
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0600
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 06:52 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 07:55 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:38 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-02-06 14:18 -0600
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:39 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-02-06 17:10 -0600
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:06 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:12 +0000
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:05 +0000
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 14:56 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:18 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:41 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:32 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:39 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 08:28 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 09:23 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:30 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 11:52 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 11:31 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:49 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-02-06 14:07 -0600
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 12:09 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:37 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:35 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 17:56 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 12:03 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 13:29 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 13:32 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:01 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:07 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:13 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 14:28 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:31 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:08 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 16:36 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-07 10:26 +1100
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:05 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:22 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-02-06 13:39 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:12 -0700
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:43 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:29 -0800
Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:19 +0000
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 15:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o7atd1$3pq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446486 |
On 2/6/2017 3:28 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > Den mandag den 6. februar 2017 kl. 23.13.20 UTC+1 skrev Don Y: >> On 2/6/2017 3:07 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> Cranky! Cranky! Will get you nada! >> >> Being concise and polite wasn't getting me anything, either! :> > > I doubt anyone ever described you as concise ;) > > take it how ever you want but every question you ask seems end the same way, > you writing walls of text on why every solution proposed is useless > because it isn't generic enough to cover all previous,current, and future > use cases for all possible manufacturers of possibly yet to be invented > devices Then gladly add me to your kill file -- soas not to be bothered by my "unproductive" posts! [Did it ever occur to you that I only ask the questions that *I* find hard to answer? :> ]
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <stvh9cle6jdi0as4i66avfg8bbsig9fi9q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #446482 |
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 15:13:17 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
>On 2/6/2017 3:07 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> Cranky! Cranky! Will get you nada!
>
>Being concise and polite wasn't getting me anything, either! :>
Concise? I'd call it obfuscating ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 17:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o7b32r$ooc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446493 |
On 2/6/2017 3:59 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 15:13:17 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> > wrote: > >> On 2/6/2017 3:07 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> Cranky! Cranky! Will get you nada! >> >> Being concise and polite wasn't getting me anything, either! :> > > Concise? I'd call it obfuscating ;-) My original post had three short sentences. Had I opted to use "garage door opener" in place of GDO, it clearly states the problem I was addressing.
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| From | pcdhobbs@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-02-08 16:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <377f916d-9a99-4b2c-ae58-caa6e861e899@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446519 |
>My original post had three short sentences. Had I opted to >use "garage door opener" in place of GDO, it clearly states >the problem I was addressing. Here I was thinking "grid dip oscillator". ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs
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| From | Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 10:26 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <58990634$0$29144$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #446482 |
On 07/02/17 09:13, Don Y wrote: > On 2/6/2017 3:07 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> Cranky! Cranky! Will get you nada! > > Being concise and polite wasn't getting me anything, either! :> You need to be concrete as well as concise. Hints for next time: * don't use an acronym without checking that it has only one expansion. * don't use the indefinite article (like "a GDO"); make it explicit by saying "any GDO" or "my client's Model X GDO". * don't refer as you did to "the RF link" when you know that has both a receiving and a transmitting end; state which end you want to inhibit. Those three things would not have made your original message any more than the three lines you used, but would have saved a lot of discussion. In short, ask *concrete* questions, not general ones. Limit the free variables as far as possible. And *don't* just use that as a way to launch into a discussion of apparently unlimited generality, by adding more free variables. It's *this* factor which makes your threads frustrating. We don't know what question you're trying to answer, and as soon as you get a valid answer, you generalize the question by adding another free variable, to make the answer wrong or invalid. It's a *constantly* repeating pattern. And you complain that *we're* the bleaters who cause this problem. Sheesh... Try to be a little bit more reflective... You can do it, you're a smart guy. Count your free variables every time you launch a thread. Clifford Heath.
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 13:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f2d5a36b-3781-4fbf-ac6c-1f0313d2e2b0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446442 |
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > I want Joe Average User to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control > of his opener -- without having to disassemble it *or* consult an exhaustive > compilation of "if you have model X, do this" rules. > > Once crippled -- and until "restored" -- neither his remote nor any OTHER > remote should be able to affect the operation of the opener. Oh, that's easy. Unplug it.
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 14:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o7apc8$kuv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446464 |
On 2/6/2017 2:05 PM, whit3rd wrote: > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > >> I want Joe Average User to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control >> of his opener -- without having to disassemble it *or* consult an exhaustive >> compilation of "if you have model X, do this" rules. >> >> Once crippled -- and until "restored" -- neither his remote nor any OTHER >> remote should be able to affect the operation of the opener. > > Oh, that's easy. Unplug it. Then the opener itself is disabled, not JUST the wireless aspect of its operation! :>
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| From | kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 13:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2b5927f5-2183-4207-a7fe-119529cff4ca@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446467 |
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: ... > > Then the opener itself is disabled, not JUST the wireless aspect of its > operation! :> All the garage door openers I have owned have had a "Security" setting on the manual switch (hardwired to the opener) that disables RF operation while still allowing the manual operation. kevin
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o7as8f$du$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #446471 |
On 2/6/2017 2:39 PM, kevin93 wrote: > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: ... >> >> Then the opener itself is disabled, not JUST the wireless aspect of its >> operation! :> > > All the garage door openers I have owned have had a "Security" setting on > the manual switch (hardwired to the opener) that disables RF operation while > still allowing the manual operation. That appears to be what Jim has, as well. I.e., the manufacturer has decided that there is some value to be able to disable the wireless access. (or, just figured it was an option/feature they could charge for!) Ours doesn't -- just a hook for the "optical interrupter" (which aborts a CLOSE operation in progress, among other things) Our cordless phone doesn't have any mechanism to disable the "cordless" aspect (utilizing just the "base station" capability). Actually, that's true of ALL the cordless phones we've had -- including the pricey "industrial" units! [I literally unplug the base unit from the PSTN when I want to disable it] I can only disable the wireless capability in my "routers" through the web-based management console -- and, all are different. We can disable the wireless entry feature on the car -- but only by knowing how to access the "settings" and having some knowledge of the terse, cryptic descriptions of each "setting". Do RC planes/cars/boats have a switch that allows the radio control to be disabled (or, do you just kill "power")? Etc. I.e., the wireless aspect of many devices seems to be considered so fundamental that including a means of disabling it appears to be an afterthought, in many cases!
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 14:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f21b0dde-5b6b-4bc2-8b85-88cc3a441512@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446467 |
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > On 2/6/2017 2:05 PM, whit3rd wrote: > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > > > >> I want Joe Average User to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control > >> of his opener > > Oh, that's easy. Unplug it. > > Then the opener itself is disabled, not JUST the wireless aspect of its > operation! :> If you have a grid dip oscilator, set it to the target frequency, and leave it near the receiver. Until you unplug the GDO, the GDO won't receive its modulated RF trigger input, because the input will be overloaded.
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 16:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f8d44ae8-b323-43ae-8b73-38141f40c55d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #446490 |
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:43:06 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote: > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > > On 2/6/2017 2:05 PM, whit3rd wrote: > > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-8, Don Y wrote: > > > > > >> I want Joe Average User to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control > > >> of his opener > > > > Oh, that's easy. Unplug it. > > > > Then the opener itself is disabled, not JUST the wireless aspect of its > > operation! :> > > If you have a grid dip oscilator, set it to the target frequency, and leave it > near the receiver. Until you unplug the GDO, the GDO won't receive its > modulated RF trigger input, because the input will be overloaded. Best response so far... Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2017-02-07 04:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o7bhro$nd2$4@gonzo.alcatraz> |
| In reply to | #446442 |
On 2017-02-06, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: > I want Joe Average User to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control > of his opener -- without having to disassemble it *or* consult an exhaustive > compilation of "if you have model X, do this" rules. Easy. have Joe average user consult an expert. If you want a solution you can put in a blister pack and retail for $19.95 you should have said so long ago. -- This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software
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