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  OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 11:35 -0800
    Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 boB <boB@theresnoplacelikehome.com> - 2017-02-03 14:17 -0800
    Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-03 18:35 -0500
      Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 17:20 -0800
    Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-04 15:38 +0530
      Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 04:39 -0800
    Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-02-04 10:02 -0500
      Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Frnak McKenney <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> - 2017-02-18 22:22 -0600
        Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-18 20:25 -0800
      Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-28 16:19 -0800
        Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-03-01 05:53 -0500
          Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-01 07:16 -0800
    Re: OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96 amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-25 18:59 -0600
    AoE X-Chapters? Michael Elwood <mkelwoodut@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 15:39 -0800
      Re: AoE X-Chapters? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-27 17:11 -0800
        Re: AoE X-Chapters? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-28 01:20 +0000
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-28 10:10 -0500
        Re: AoE X-Chapters? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-28 12:57 +1100
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-28 03:10 -0800
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-28 11:39 +0000
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-02-28 23:08 +1100
            Re: AoE X-Chapters? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-01 09:11 +1100
              Re: AoE X-Chapters? Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-03-02 01:24 +1100
                Re: AoE X-Chapters? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-01 10:50 -0500
                  Re: AoE X-Chapters? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-01 16:34 +0000
                  Re: AoE X-Chapters? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-01 08:58 -0800
                    Re: AoE X-Chapters? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-01 12:43 -0500
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-28 10:11 -0500
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-28 12:11 -0500
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-28 18:36 -0500
            Re: AoE X-Chapters? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-01 12:40 +1100
            Re: AoE X-Chapters? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-28 17:44 -0800
              Re: AoE X-Chapters? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-28 18:22 -0800
                Re: AoE X-Chapters? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 18:28 -0800
                  Re: AoE X-Chapters? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-28 19:10 -0800
                    Re: AoE X-Chapters? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 06:08 -0800
                Re: AoE X-Chapters? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 18:28 -0800
        Re: AoE X-Chapters? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-27 18:25 -0800
          Re: AoE X-Chapters? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-27 18:28 -0800
        Re: AoE X-Chapters? Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-28 12:06 -0500

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#445992 — OT: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for 
$59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's 
50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price, 
so they appear to be selling it at a loss.  I ordered 
a copy last week and it was the 10th printing in perfect 
condition.  This printing has been updated and is 
virtually free from errors.  (Note, it was a genuine*** 
book, printed by Cambridge University Press in the US.)

They only let you order one copy, then you're locked 
from ordering any more directly from Amazon at that 
price.  You also can't get more from them at a higher 
price (you can select "Other Sellers", higher prices). 
There's no saying how long they'll continue with this 
remarkable price; a short while ago they were selling 
it for $96 each.  Hah, this low price has improved 
the Amazon Best Sellers Rank to #4,803 in all Books.

[*** As opposed one of the several low-cost Indian or 
Malaysian fake counterfeits, sold on Amazon at low 
prices.  These were copied from a 1st-printing (with 
its errors, sorry), and they have horrible binding, 
binding spline page alignment, poor printing, faded 
photos, stuck pages, and several other serious flaws 
to spoil your experience.]


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#446010

On 3 Feb 2017 11:35:55 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:

>Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for 
>$59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's 
>50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price, 
>so they appear to be selling it at a loss.  I ordered 
>a copy last week and it was the 10th printing in perfect 
>condition.  This printing has been updated and is 
>virtually free from errors.  (Note, it was a genuine*** 
>book, printed by Cambridge University Press in the US.)
>
>They only let you order one copy, then you're locked 
>from ordering any more directly from Amazon at that 
>price.  You also can't get more from them at a higher 
>price (you can select "Other Sellers", higher prices). 
>There's no saying how long they'll continue with this 
>remarkable price; a short while ago they were selling 
>it for $96 each.  Hah, this low price has improved 
>the Amazon Best Sellers Rank to #4,803 in all Books.
>
>[*** As opposed one of the several low-cost Indian or 
>Malaysian fake counterfeits, sold on Amazon at low 
>prices.  These were copied from a 1st-printing (with 
>its errors, sorry), and they have horrible binding, 
>binding spline page alignment, poor printing, faded 
>photos, stuck pages, and several other serious flaws 
>to spoil your experience.]

Thanks Win !   Got one coming.

boB
K7IQ

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#446018

On 02/03/2017 02:35 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
> so they appear to be selling it at a loss.  I ordered
> a copy last week and it was the 10th printing in perfect
> condition.  This printing has been updated and is
> virtually free from errors.  (Note, it was a genuine***
> book, printed by Cambridge University Press in the US.)
>
> They only let you order one copy, then you're locked
> from ordering any more directly from Amazon at that
> price.  You also can't get more from them at a higher
> price (you can select "Other Sellers", higher prices).
> There's no saying how long they'll continue with this
> remarkable price; a short while ago they were selling
> it for $96 each.  Hah, this low price has improved
> the Amazon Best Sellers Rank to #4,803 in all Books.
>
> [*** As opposed one of the several low-cost Indian or
> Malaysian fake counterfeits, sold on Amazon at low
> prices.  These were copied from a 1st-printing (with
> its errors, sorry), and they have horrible binding,
> binding spline page alignment, poor printing, faded
> photos, stuck pages, and several other serious flaws
> to spoil your experience.]
>
>

Looks like they have a "rent a copy" thing? Interesting...

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#446033

bitrex wrote...
>
> Looks like they have a "rent a copy" thing? Interesting...

 That's meant for students.  Our previous experience is
 that students don't put their used copies up for sale.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#446070

On 2/4/2017 1:05 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
> so they appear to be selling it at a loss.  I ordered
> a copy last week and it was the 10th printing in perfect
> condition.  This printing has been updated and is
> virtually free from errors.  (Note, it was a genuine***
> book, printed by Cambridge University Press in the US.)
>
> They only let you order one copy, then you're locked
> from ordering any more directly from Amazon at that
> price.  You also can't get more from them at a higher
> price (you can select "Other Sellers", higher prices).
> There's no saying how long they'll continue with this
> remarkable price; a short while ago they were selling
> it for $96 each.  Hah, this low price has improved
> the Amazon Best Sellers Rank to #4,803 in all Books.
>
> [*** As opposed one of the several low-cost Indian or
> Malaysian fake counterfeits, sold on Amazon at low
> prices.  These were copied from a 1st-printing (with
> its errors, sorry), and they have horrible binding,
> binding spline page alignment, poor printing, faded
> photos, stuck pages, and several other serious flaws
> to spoil your experience.]
>
>
I wish I could get it at that price here in India. Your post is 
an eye opener. I didn't know that previous printings had many 
errors, or that there are counterfeit prints.

I downloaded a pdf copy for a quick evaluation. I know that it 
must be a bootleg and I never intended to keep it to avoid buying 
the hard copy. I was surprised by the apparently poor print 
quality - reminds me of my old RCA tube and transistor manuals 
from the 60s.

It's currently offered at Amazon-India for the equivalent of 
about $67. It's not covered by Amazon Prime and there's no way of 
knowing if it's genuine or which printing.

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#446075

Pimpom wrote...
>
> ... Your post is an eye opener. I didn't know that
> previous printings had many errors,

 There's an errata list on our website.  Most
 errors are minor and obvious, but a few are
 zingers.  http://artofelectronics.net/errata/

 There's also a new expanded index, plus a parts
 index, that you can download from our webpage.

> or that there are counterfeit prints.

 The counterfeit problem is large and painful. 
 But there aren't all that many serious errors,
 and the counterfeit print text is readable,
 despite poor binding and halftone pictures.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#446082 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

Winfield Hill wrote:
> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,

That price is only available to Prime members AIUI.

But it's not clear which Amazon sku # is the same printing.

Is "Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course 1st Edition" 
meant to go with the 3rd edition?

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#448296 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 10:02:15 -0500, Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
> Winfield Hill wrote:
>> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
>> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
>> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,

Win,

Thank you for letting us know about this offer. My copies of "AoE 3ed
10th printing with additions and corrections 2016" and "Learning the
AoE Reprinted with corrections 2016" arrived earlier this week.

I love references that are chock full of useful information *and* can
be used for self-defense. <grin!>

> Is "Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course 1st Edition" 
> meant to go with the 3rd edition?

I'm curious about this also. I couldn't find anything on Amazon.com
that specifically tied the lab book specifically to AoE 3ed except
its gold color, so I took a chance and ordered it. I still can't find
anything in the book that says it's intended to be used with AoE 3ed
ranther and (say) 2ed. I'm feeling a little dense this week -- am I
missing something subtle here?


Frank McKenney
-- 
  I hope that in this year to come, you make mistakes. Because if
  you are making mistakes, then you are making new things, trying
  new things, learning, living, pushing yourself, changing
  yourself, changing your world. You're doing things you've never
  done before, and more importantly, you're doing something.
                              -- Neil Gaiman
-- 
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
Munged E-mail: frank und.scr mckenney aatt mindspring d.ot com

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#448298 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 22:22:58 -0600, Frnak McKenney
<frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 10:02:15 -0500, Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
>>> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
>>> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
>
>Win,
>
>Thank you for letting us know about this offer. My copies of "AoE 3ed
>10th printing with additions and corrections 2016" and "Learning the
>AoE Reprinted with corrections 2016" arrived earlier this week.
>
>I love references that are chock full of useful information *and* can
>be used for self-defense. <grin!>

Great bullet stopper!




-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#449643 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

On 2017-02-04 07:02, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Winfield Hill wrote:
>> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
>> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
>> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
>
> That price is only available to Prime members AIUI.
>

Yup, no dice for us ordinary folks :-(

Hey, they even have a photo of Winfield with a much shorter beard than 
on the 2nd edition dust cover:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81qhMWWobNL._UX250_.jpg

[...]

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#449708 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-02-04 07:02, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
>>> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
>>> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
>>
>> That price is only available to Prime members AIUI.
>>
>
> Yup, no dice for us ordinary folks :-(
>
> Hey, they even have a photo of Winfield with a much shorter beard than
> on the 2nd edition dust cover:
>
> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81qhMWWobNL._UX250_.jpg

In the first edition he looked like Severn Darden (GREAT actor).

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#449729 — Re: Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for $59.96

On 2017-03-01 02:53, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-02-04 07:02, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
>>>> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
>>>> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
>>>
>>> That price is only available to Prime members AIUI.
>>>
>>
>> Yup, no dice for us ordinary folks :-(
>>
>> Hey, they even have a photo of Winfield with a much shorter beard than
>> on the 2nd edition dust cover:
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81qhMWWobNL._UX250_.jpg
>
> In the first edition he looked like Severn Darden (GREAT actor).
>

Win made it past 65 though and seems to be in good health.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#449256

On 2/3/2017 1:35 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
> Amazon is selling the Art of Electronics, 3rd ed, for
> $59.96, eligible for Prime free shipping.  Hah, that's
> 50% of list, and about $12 less than the wholesale price,
> so they appear to be selling it at a loss.  I ordered
> a copy last week and it was the 10th printing in perfect
> condition.  This printing has been updated and is
> virtually free from errors.  (Note, it was a genuine***
> book, printed by Cambridge University Press in the US.)
>
> They only let you order one copy, then you're locked
> from ordering any more directly from Amazon at that
> price.  You also can't get more from them at a higher
> price (you can select "Other Sellers", higher prices).
> There's no saying how long they'll continue with this
> remarkable price; a short while ago they were selling
> it for $96 each.  Hah, this low price has improved
> the Amazon Best Sellers Rank to #4,803 in all Books.
>
> [*** As opposed one of the several low-cost Indian or
> Malaysian fake counterfeits, sold on Amazon at low
> prices.  These were copied from a 1st-printing (with
> its errors, sorry), and they have horrible binding,
> binding spline page alignment, poor printing, faded
> photos, stuck pages, and several other serious flaws
> to spoil your experience.]
>
>

  I had my daughter order AoE with her prime account on the 22nd when 
the had an $8.62 discount. So I paid $51.34, it was my lucky day.
Received it today, as you say 10th printing by Cambridge University 
Press. Thanks!

                            Mikek




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#449482 — AoE X-Chapters?

Since Win brought this up.... Is there any projections on publication date for the X Chapters?

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#449505 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

Michael Elwood wrote...
>
> Since Win brought this up.... Is there any projections
> on publication date for the X Chapters?

 We've still got 20-25% to finish.  Masses of really
 good stuff already done, needs to get out there. 

 We're talking about a live online version that
 could be continuously updated as we finish the
 last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
 This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
 brings into question issues about a printed book.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#449509 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

On 28/02/17 01:11, Winfield Hill wrote:
>  We're talking about a live online version that
>  could be continuously updated as we finish the
>  last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
>  This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
>  brings into question issues about a printed book.

I quite understand why you say that, but in
this case I suspect "sufficient" people will
willingly pay for hardcopy even if downloads
are available.

Of course the issue could be fudged by removing
online versions once they've been proofread by
millions of monkeys and the hardcopy is available.

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#449585 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

On 02/27/2017 08:20 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 28/02/17 01:11, Winfield Hill wrote:
>>  We're talking about a live online version that
>>  could be continuously updated as we finish the
>>  last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
>>  This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
>>  brings into question issues about a printed book.
> 
> I quite understand why you say that, but in
> this case I suspect "sufficient" people will
> willingly pay for hardcopy even if downloads
> are available.
> 
> Of course the issue could be fudged by removing
> online versions once they've been proofread by
> millions of monkeys and the hardcopy is available.
> 

Given that everybody's books are available for download, the only
significant difference is the delay. ;)

Cheers

Phil "widely pirated author" Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#449523 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

On 28/02/17 12:11, Winfield Hill wrote:
> Michael Elwood wrote...
>>
>> Since Win brought this up.... Is there any projections
>> on publication date for the X Chapters?
>
>  We've still got 20-25% to finish.  Masses of really
>  good stuff already done, needs to get out there.
>
>  We're talking about a live online version that
>  could be continuously updated as we finish the
>  last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
>  This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
>  brings into question issues about a printed book.

I hear you. Online e-books should be digitally watermarked with
the name of the purchaser visible in each copy, to discourage
"sharing" and to assist in copyright prosecutions.

The books available from https://pragprog.com are digitally
generated with watermarking at the point of purchase. This seems
like a no-brainer, yet very few e-book publishers have done it.

Clifford Heath.

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#449567 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

Clifford Heath wrote...
>
> On 28/02/17 12:11, Winfield Hill wrote:
>> Michael Elwood wrote...
>>>
>>> Since Win brought this up.... Is there any projections
>>> on publication date for the X Chapters?
>>
>>  We've still got 20-25% to finish.  Masses of really
>>  good stuff already done, needs to get out there.
>>
>>  We're talking about a live online version that
>>  could be continuously updated as we finish the
>>  last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
>>  This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
>>  brings into question issues about a printed book.
>
> I hear you. Online e-books should be digitally watermarked with
> the name of the purchaser visible in each copy, to discourage
> "sharing" and to assist in copyright prosecutions.
>
> The books available from https://pragprog.com are digitally
> generated with watermarking at the point of purchase. This seems
> like a no-brainer, yet very few e-book publishers have done it.

 Interesting.  An online book is different from an
 e-book, such as a pdf file, etc., because by its
 very nature, it's always up-to-date.  Dunno what,
 if any, scheme would be used for off-line viewing.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#449569 — Re: AoE X-Chapters?

On 28/02/17 01:57, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 28/02/17 12:11, Winfield Hill wrote:
>> Michael Elwood wrote...
>>>
>>> Since Win brought this up.... Is there any projections
>>> on publication date for the X Chapters?
>>
>>  We've still got 20-25% to finish.  Masses of really
>>  good stuff already done, needs to get out there.
>>
>>  We're talking about a live online version that
>>  could be continuously updated as we finish the
>>  last portions, and add new stuff to the rest.
>>  This scheme would allow earlier publication, but
>>  brings into question issues about a printed book.
>
> I hear you. Online e-books should be digitally watermarked with
> the name of the purchaser visible in each copy, to discourage
> "sharing" and to assist in copyright prosecutions.
>
> The books available from https://pragprog.com are digitally
> generated with watermarking at the point of purchase. This seems
> like a no-brainer, yet very few e-book publishers have done it.

Indeed, but are there any effective sanctions for
someone that "shares" it via a website?

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