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| Started by | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| First post | 2016-10-11 10:31 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-10-12 12:42 -0700 |
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Brother International is a bunch of asshats Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-11 10:31 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2016-10-11 07:42 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-11 10:51 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Baron <baron@linuxmaniac.net> - 2016-10-11 17:05 +0100
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2016-10-11 09:19 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-11 20:56 -0800
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2016-10-12 04:30 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-12 08:13 -0500
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-11 10:43 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2016-10-11 19:20 +0100
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-11 13:50 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-10-11 17:01 -0500
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2016-10-12 08:12 +0100
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-11 11:22 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-11 14:11 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-11 09:02 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2016-10-11 09:50 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-11 14:14 -0500
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2016-10-11 14:26 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Marte Schwarz <marte.schwarz@gmx.de> - 2016-10-11 18:14 +0200
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-11 10:10 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2016-10-11 13:50 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-11 14:28 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-11 14:22 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Ecnerwal <MyNameForward@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> - 2016-10-11 16:52 -0400
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-11 17:55 -0700
Re: Brother International is a bunch of asshats Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-12 12:42 -0700
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 10:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <tk5qvbpbccvsop721fgmv78cuk4foh4vtm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430865 |
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:31:05 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >So my trusty Brother MFC6490CW B-size all-in-one printer died the death. >Looks like an encoder failure on the paper feed. Full disclosure: I refurbish and repair Brother printers. I hate inkjet printers and prefer laser printers for everything. I am currently NOT an authorized Brother Service Repair Center. I don't believe the MFC6490CW uses a shaft encoder for paper feed positioning. I think it's a stepper motor. What are the symptoms? If it's a paper jam message, try cleaning the encoder strip. Any ink on the strip will cause an initial self-calibration error and eventually produce some kind of error message. Replacement cost is about $5. PN LS4379001. >It was one of their last ones that didn't have chips in the ink >cartridges, and it worked great for years. One of the better three >bills I ever spent. > >The replacement, an MFCJ series model, pretends to print with >aftermarket ink but doesn't really. When you run the head cleaning >routine, only about 10% of the black ink pattern prints, and repeated >cleaning doesn't make that any better. What exact model MFC-Jxxx printer? Did you check for updated firmware? >There's nothing wrong with the ink or the print head--it's deliberately >crippled. > >I know this from two lines of evidence: > >1. When you hold two test prints up to the sunlight superimposed, you >see that it's a different set of spots that prints each time, and especially That's usually an indication of a head alignment problem. See: <http://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=za&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&faqid=faq00000259_017#Sec2> Actually, I've never bothered to compare test prints in that manner. Good idea... I'll try it next opportunity. >2. It prints the machine serial number on the test print, in black, and >it comes out _perfectly_. > >Asshats. Did you try the test print with a genuine Brother cartridge? If the genuine cart produces a perfect test print, I might subscribe to your conspiracy theory. However, if it does the same thing as the aftermarket cart, I would look for another culprit. >I'm never buying another Brother product. Could you limit that to not buying another Brother inkjet product? >However, I do need a light-duty B-size (11x17) colour printer. Budget >is probably $1k or thereabouts. Anybody got one that they like? I have a few wide carriage inkjet printers in my palatial office. All are in need of some kind of parts or repair. I usually don't bother until someone needs a wide carriage printer. I'll send you my list if I find something worthwhile. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 13:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3E9Lz.23908$SE2.539@fx20.iad> |
| In reply to | #430885 |
On 10/11/2016 01:10 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > Did you try the test print with a genuine Brother cartridge? If the > genuine cart produces a perfect test print, I might subscribe to your > conspiracy theory. However, if it does the same thing as the > aftermarket cart, I would look for another culprit. The comments by user "t9b" about 2/3rds of the way down the page on this Reddit post are very interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/53arvr/hp_preprogrammed_failure_date_of_unofficial_nonhp/
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 14:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xqmdnSUOb6KmsmDKnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #430888 |
On 10/11/2016 01:50 PM, bitrex wrote: > On 10/11/2016 01:10 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > >> Did you try the test print with a genuine Brother cartridge? If the >> genuine cart produces a perfect test print, I might subscribe to your >> conspiracy theory. However, if it does the same thing as the >> aftermarket cart, I would look for another culprit. > > The comments by user "t9b" about 2/3rds of the way down the page on this > Reddit post are very interesting: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/53arvr/hp_preprogrammed_failure_date_of_unofficial_nonhp/ > Interesting. That's sort of like what I'm seeing. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 14:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <BN-dnUBnRtKfs2DKnZ2dnUU7-XnNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #430885 |
On 10/11/2016 01:10 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:31:05 -0400, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> So my trusty Brother MFC6490CW B-size all-in-one printer died the death. >> Looks like an encoder failure on the paper feed. > > Full disclosure: > I refurbish and repair Brother printers. > I hate inkjet printers and prefer laser printers for everything. > I am currently NOT an authorized Brother Service Repair Center. > > I don't believe the MFC6490CW uses a shaft encoder for paper feed > positioning. I think it's a stepper motor. What are the symptoms? If > it's a paper jam message, try cleaning the encoder strip. Any ink on > the strip will cause an initial self-calibration error and eventually > produce some kind of error message. Replacement cost is about $5. PN > LS4379001. It tries printing but spits the entire sheet at high speed after only one head pass. Looks like it's trying to advance the paper and doesn't think it succeeds. > >> It was one of their last ones that didn't have chips in the ink >> cartridges, and it worked great for years. One of the better three >> bills I ever spent. >> >> The replacement, an MFCJ series model, pretends to print with >> aftermarket ink but doesn't really. When you run the head cleaning >> routine, only about 10% of the black ink pattern prints, and repeated >> cleaning doesn't make that any better. > > What exact model MFC-Jxxx printer? Did you check for updated > firmware? > >> There's nothing wrong with the ink or the print head--it's deliberately >> crippled. >> >> I know this from two lines of evidence: >> >> 1. When you hold two test prints up to the sunlight superimposed, you >> see that it's a different set of spots that prints each time, and especially > > That's usually an indication of a head alignment problem. See: > <http://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=za&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&faqid=faq00000259_017#Sec2> > Actually, I've never bothered to compare test prints in that manner. > Good idea... I'll try it next opportunity. Only about 10% of the spots are actually printed, and it's never the same ones. Pretty hard to explain that as a clog, I think. The serial number prints perfectly. > >> 2. It prints the machine serial number on the test print, in black, and >> it comes out _perfectly_. >> >> Asshats. > > Did you try the test print with a genuine Brother cartridge? If the > genuine cart produces a perfect test print, I might subscribe to your > conspiracy theory. However, if it does the same thing as the > aftermarket cart, I would look for another culprit. I have some on order--we'll see. If it flunks the same way, I'll report back. > >> I'm never buying another Brother product. > > Could you limit that to not buying another Brother inkjet product? Depends. > >> However, I do need a light-duty B-size (11x17) colour printer. Budget >> is probably $1k or thereabouts. Anybody got one that they like? > > I have a few wide carriage inkjet printers in my palatial office. All > are in need of some kind of parts or repair. I usually don't bother > until someone needs a wide carriage printer. I'll send you my list if > I find something worthwhile. Thanks. I'm currently looking at an HP 5500N, because I can get a refurb for $500ish and there's aftermarket toner available for about $100 per set. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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| From | Ecnerwal <MyNameForward@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 16:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MyNameForward-C65600.16521411102016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #430865 |
In article <Tv6dnT87d8M0amHKnZ2dnUU7-U_NnZ2d@supernews.com>, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > However, I do need a light-duty B-size (11x17) colour printer. Budget > is probably $1k or thereabouts. Anybody got one that they like? > > Cheers > > Phil Hobbs Someone in New York, west of me and north of you, is selling a supposedly functional color laserjet 8550 for $450. Check the Albany craigslist. I hate paying to run inkjets. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 17:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntk1l801avm@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430865 |
Phil Hobbs wrote...
>
> However, I do need a light-duty B-size (11x17) colour printer.
> Budget is probably $1k or thereabouts.
Yes. I bought my Brother B-size printer for about $150,
and yes they make up for the amazing sale price with huge
ink profits. I'm sucking up and moving on to other things.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 12:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntm3me01vpg@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430940 |
Winfield Hill wrote...
>
>Phil Hobbs wrote...
>>
>> However, I do need a light-duty B-size (11x17) colour printer.
>> Budget is probably $1k or thereabouts.
>
> Yes. I bought my Brother B-size printer for about $150,
> and yes they make up for the amazing sale price with huge
> ink profits. I'm sucking up and moving on to other things.
Brother MFC-J6520DW
--
Thanks,
- Win
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