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| First post | 2016-09-29 16:59 -0700 |
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Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-09-29 16:59 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 05:50 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 05:55 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 07:45 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:19 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 00:15 +1000
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP jack4747@gmail.com - 2016-09-30 07:20 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2016-09-30 08:31 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 08:46 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 12:37 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 14:23 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Neon John <no@never.com> - 2016-10-01 10:47 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 11:52 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 15:06 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 12:28 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:21 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-02 14:21 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-09-30 15:09 +0000
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 13:42 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 11:16 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-01 14:29 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 14:15 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 14:52 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 15:12 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 16:09 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-01 16:11 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-02 09:00 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2016-10-02 09:11 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-02 11:13 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:23 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:36 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-10-01 15:48 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-10-01 16:08 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-01 20:01 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-02 10:10 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-01 23:17 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 08:44 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 17:38 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-30 17:48 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-09-30 18:45 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2016-09-30 22:31 -0400
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 20:15 -0700
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-10-03 15:12 +0000
Re: Qualcomm in talks to acquire NXP Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 14:56 +1100
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 11:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sbuvubda1o3fo2t73pbnm8nc5ukcddqece@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430063 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 13:42:04 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >I just strip the password protection with an Elcom app and save it. Ummmm.... <https://www.elcomsoft.com/apdfpr.html> $50, $100, or $400 versions. <https://www.elcomsoft.com/WP/guaranteed_password_recovery_for_adobe_acrobat_en.pdf> Made in Russia. The $50 version is rather basic and can take several days to crack a basic 40 bit RC4 encrypted file. 256 bit AES encryption can take forever. The $100 version is better but lacks rainbow tables, which really speeds things up. For rainbow tables, you'll need the $400 version. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 14:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7pvvub91hpouvbldtoo0let5rmlsobmkbd@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430070 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 11:16:15 -0700, the renowned Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >The $50 version is rather basic and can take several days to crack a >basic 40 bit RC4 encrypted file. 256 bit AES encryption can take >forever. The $100 version is better but lacks rainbow tables, which >really speeds things up. For rainbow tables, you'll need the $400 >version. Ouch. Most of them are 'instant'. I think the program is 8 or 10 years old. It's certainly not worth $400 to me. --sp -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 14:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <kt80vblcehg67nphklbv0e996ejbnseoc4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430072 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 14:29:21 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 11:16:15 -0700, the renowned Jeff Liebermann ><jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: > >>The $50 version is rather basic and can take several days to crack a >>basic 40 bit RC4 encrypted file. 256 bit AES encryption can take >>forever. The $100 version is better but lacks rainbow tables, which >>really speeds things up. For rainbow tables, you'll need the $400 >>version. >Ouch. Most of them are 'instant'. I think the program is 8 or 10 years >old. It's certainly not worth $400 to me. >--sp I have a customer that does computah forensics. They have the enterprise version, which they let me use when the need arises. The rainbow tables don't always produce spectacular results, such as when the password is all symbols, but is a major improvement. I just tried the trial version of the program: <https://www.elcomsoft.com/download/apdfpr_setup_en.msi> on one of the PDF test files I found at: <http://www.novapdf.com/kb/pdf-example-files-created-with-novapdf-138.html> The 2nd file, which is password protected, uses a not so clever password = "test". I ran the program with a dictionary attack and it took about 3 seconds to find the password. I then ran it with a brute force attack, using all possible symbols except space, and it took 17.5 minutes. On the brute force attack, some stats: Passwords to process 78,914,410 Work time 17m 35s 725msec Average speed 74,749 passwords per second Not too shabby methinks. I'm running a rather dated Dell Optiplex 960 3.1GHz E8500 Dual Core with 4GB RAM and WinXP. Can someone point me to an encrypted NXP data sheet so I can see if and how it works? I'll guess(tm) that NXP uses a rather primitive encryption key, such as the part number backwards. I dug through my mess of saved data sheets and couldn't find any that were encrypted and/or password protected. Random downloads from the NXP web pile didn't do any better. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 14:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nspb7n0kho@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430083 |
Jeff Liebermann wrote...
>
> Can someone point me to an encrypted NXP data sheet
My example was a simple Schottky diode, PMEG3010.
I'm looking at rev 4 of the datasheet, dated 2007.
I can give you hundreds of others if you need them.
Most datasheet encryptions don't prevent you from
seeing or printing the datasheet in toto; they
prevent you from doing *any* of the other dozens
of important ways to use a document.
I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a5d0vbtmbbs6f3ilsap60nmi9604mvfu0m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430091 |
On 1 Oct 2016 14:52:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:
>Jeff Liebermann wrote...
>>
>> Can someone point me to an encrypted NXP data sheet
>
> My example was a simple Schottky diode, PMEG3010.
> I'm looking at rev 4 of the datasheet, dated 2007.
> I can give you hundreds of others if you need them.
>
> Most datasheet encryptions don't prevent you from
> seeing or printing the datasheet in toto; they
> prevent you from doing *any* of the other dozens
> of important ways to use a document.
>
> I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
> PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
Have you found one where PDF Password Remover _doesn't_ work?
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 16:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nspfmj0rsr@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430094 |
Jim Thompson wrote...
>
> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
>> PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
>
> Have you found one where PDF Password Remover _doesn't_ work?
Only one, in a few hundred unlockings.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 16:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6kg0vble554ck7oc4hbh9bf6775gneuebs@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430103 |
On 1 Oct 2016 16:09:07 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote...
>>
>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
>>> PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
>>
>> Have you found one where PDF Password Remover _doesn't_ work?
>
> Only one, in a few hundred unlockings.
Can you E-mail a copy of that one to me?
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 09:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nsravn01mdb@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430104 |
Jim Thompson wrote...
> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>Jim Thompson wrote...
>>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
>>>> PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
>>>
>>> Have you found one where PDF Password Remover _doesn't_ work?
>>
>> Only one, in a few hundred unlockings.
>
> Can you E-mail a copy of that one to me?
I have long since forgotten which one it was.
It takes a few minutes to bring up the app,
find and name the output file, etc., so I
don't do it very often. But I haven't
encountered a failure in a long time.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 09:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <abc2vb1335dt060rl0bm77ib821hootnkm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430146 |
On 2 Oct 2016 09:00:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote...
>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>Jim Thompson wrote...
>>>> Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program
>>>>> PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second.
>>>>
>>>> Have you found one where PDF Password Remover _doesn't_ work?
>>>
>>> Only one, in a few hundred unlockings.
>>
>> Can you E-mail a copy of that one to me?
>
> I have long since forgotten which one it was.
> It takes a few minutes to bring up the app,
> find and name the output file, etc., so I
> don't do it very often. But I haven't
> encountered a failure in a long time.
When Jeff Liebermann wakes up he will announce a trivial solution ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 11:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <q8f2vb1p4sl60kqjbr1tr3kcirg28sumtq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430147 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:11:37 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >When Jeff Liebermann wakes up he will announce a trivial solution ;-) > ...Jim Thompson Yawn, grumble, and thanks. With inspiration provided by Jim Thomson, I contrived a much easier way. The problem is that it's not quite what I expected and may not be suitable for everyone's needs. Download and install Iranview and Irfanview plugins. <http://www.irfanview.com> Irfanview is a good free photo editor that can also handle PDFs via plugins. Here's how: - Open the PDF file with Irfanview. - "Save As" with a "Save as type" PDF. - Check the "Show Options Dialog" at the bottom of page. - Hit "Save" button. - A "Save PDF" dialog box will appear. - Under the "Security" tab, uncheck the "Activate Security" check box. - Hit "Save" button and the view the PDF in Adobe Acrobat or whatever. The owner password should be cleared in the resultant PDF. You should now be able to add annotations, sticky notes, and scribbles to the data sheets with Irfanview (hit F12) or any PDF editor. Some limitations, details, notes, ideas, and problems: The process changes the text fonts to a bit mapped graphic, which cannot be text edited. The original NXP data sheet shows 8 fonts, mostly Helvetica and Symbol. The converted PDF show no fonts and is a graphic. The results are readable and printable, but of lower quality than the original. If this is a problem, you may do better with a password cracker/remover program. Since the converted page is a graphic, it is possible to use PDF-Xchange Editor (free): <https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-editor> Document -> OCR Pages feature to recover making the document searchable. The NXP data sheet took about 6 minutes to OCR 11 pages. Under the "Save PDF" dialog, under the "Layout" tab, you can change the page size from A4 to letter. This is handy because I haven't found a good way to change the document size for printing in Acrobat or PDF-XChange viewers. Under the "Save PDF" dialog, under the "Compression" tab, you may want to adjust the image qualities. I tried turning off compression, but that expanded the original 78KByte file to about 28MBytes (with an OCR text layer). Irfanview can do batch processing. File -> Batch Conversion/Rename I haven't tried this yet, but it might be possible to use this to clear passwords from a directory full of PDF files. Irfanview can be run from the command line: <http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-useful-commandline-irfanview-tools-working-images/> which can probably be used for batch processing. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ted0vb9ikprhqobpl0cmrb4lbidm5hm756@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430091 |
On 1 Oct 2016 14:52:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: >Jeff Liebermann wrote... >> >> Can someone point me to an encrypted NXP data sheet > > My example was a simple Schottky diode, PMEG3010. > I'm looking at rev 4 of the datasheet, dated 2007. > I can give you hundreds of others if you need them. <http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PMEGXX10BEA_PMEGXX10BEV.pdf> The Elcomsoft demo program says that the "user passsword is empty..." However, that's the 2004 version direct from the NXP web pile. Got a link to the 2007 version or a better example? > Most datasheet encryptions don't prevent you from > seeing or printing the datasheet in toto; they > prevent you from doing *any* of the other dozens > of important ways to use a document. > > I'm not sure what it's doing, but the program > PDF Password Remover takes a fraction of a second. Dunno. There are two passwords. The owner and the user passwords. Some programs, like Elcomsoft try to decrypt the password(s). Others, just remove it from the PDF. My guess(tm) is that like the 2004 version, there is password. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rtd0vb9j90o1d8lb5sts85vg0sv9ilk1er@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430097 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:23:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >On 1 Oct 2016 14:52:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> >wrote: > >>Jeff Liebermann wrote... >>> >>> Can someone point me to an encrypted NXP data sheet >> >> My example was a simple Schottky diode, PMEG3010. >> I'm looking at rev 4 of the datasheet, dated 2007. >> I can give you hundreds of others if you need them. > ><http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PMEGXX10BEA_PMEGXX10BEV.pdf> >The Elcomsoft demo program says that the "user passsword is empty..." >However, that's the 2004 version direct from the NXP web pile. Got a >link to the 2007 version or a better example? Never mind. I found the 2007 version on Octopart: <http://datasheet.octopart.com/PMEG3010ET-NXP-datasheet-5392248.pdf> Same problem. It says "User password is empty so instant decryption is possible". I had no difficulty printing the first two pages of the data sheet. However, I was not able to add any annotations (using PDF-Xchange Editor 5.5) because the document properties showed that the owner password has been set (40 bit RC4). The permission details show that printing and content copying are allowed, but no changes to the document, such as annotation. I'm not sure why the Elcomsoft program is only removing the user password, and not the owner, but I'll see if I can figure it out. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hne0vbp60tqdebf9stqnhgk53u54b58gah@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430098 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:36:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >I'm not sure why the Elcomsoft >program is only removing the user password, and not the owner, but >I'll see if I can figure it out. Duh... my fault. Under the "advanced" tab, there is a choice to decrypt the owner and/or user passwords. I had the wrong one checked. It's cranking right now using a brute force attack. The demo has a very small dictionary, so that didn't work. Stay tuned to this newsgroup for the latest episode of "DMCA violations made easy". Oops (again). The demo version is limited to passwords up to 4 characters in length. The NXP data sheet probably has a longer password, so this experiment isn't going to work. I try it on the real version later next week. Sorry. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 16:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nspfkk0rpk@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #430098 |
Jeff Liebermann wrote...
>
> I had no difficulty printing the first two pages of the
> data sheet.
Most locked security settings do allow printing.
Otherwise they'd completely lose the customer!
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 20:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1a7cf8d6-51cc-7257-85e4-0ee6f2876ef4@electrooptical.net> |
| In reply to | #430102 |
On 10/01/2016 07:08 PM, Winfield Hill wrote: > Jeff Liebermann wrote... >> >> I had no difficulty printing the first two pages of the >> data sheet. > > Most locked security settings do allow printing. > Otherwise they'd completely lose the customer! > > Well, in a pinch you can print it and then OCR. Here's a shout-out to my fave OCR/document conversion site: http://www.djvu.org/any2djvu Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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| From | Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 10:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5652vb9vufdavkk6dg06pha04g4qun81eh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #430102 |
On 1 Oct 2016 16:08:04 -0700, the renowned Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: >Jeff Liebermann wrote... >> >> I had no difficulty printing the first two pages of the >> data sheet. > > Most locked security settings do allow printing. > Otherwise they'd completely lose the customer! I guess that's the only thing that's keeping the lawyers at bay. They would probably prefer that each copy be strongly encrypted, unprintable and each copy be watermarked in a way that is traceable to an individual NDA. --sp -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8
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| From | krw <krw@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 23:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <osu0vbl3ubl81luio5v2h7j3aibn703n5g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #429891 |
On 30 Sep 2016 05:50:00 -0700, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: >John Miles, KE5FX wrote... >> >> Bummer. Qualcomm is nothing but an overstaffed law firm >> that occasionally sells semiconductors when they have >> nothing better to do. >> >> This is what happens if you post an online copy of a >> 15-year old, publicly available data sheet for a >> widely used part: http://www.ke5fx.com/usrc/q3236.pdf >> >> Oops, it looks like they missed one: >> http://f1chf.free.fr/boite%20blanche/QUALCOMM/q3236.pdf >> >> Bunch of asshats. > > I've long been unhappy about public projects that > chose to use a Qualcomm chip, because even basic > information is kept unavailable. > > Lately NXP has been getting asshat inclinations, and > locking datasheet pdf files, including many that have > previously been released unlocked. These files are > locked with almost no permissions, so that you can't > add a 'sticky-note' comment, extract a page for a > report, or to help document a design, or do anything > useful. It's a snub in the face of the customer, > and especially a slap to the face of an engineer > who's trying to become a customer, dammit-all! I've almost always been able to print the PDF to a PDF, then add any notes I want to. However, about 20% of these can't then be searched. So, I end up with two copies. > > Why in the world does NXP want to punch me in > the face as I'm looking at a datasheet for a > stupid little Schottky diode, for Pete's sake? > > If NXP becomes a Qualcomm company, I fear things > will rapidly go further downhill.
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 08:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5o1tubtu7u3sv5dvv0lgibsg1qi8439v1c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #429856 |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:51:00 -0700 (PDT), "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> wrote: >On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 5:00:09 PM UTC-7, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote: >> http://www.wsj.com/articles/qualcomm-in-talks-to-acquire-nxp-semiconductors-1475170033 > >Bummer. Qualcomm is nothing but an overstaffed law firm that occasionally sells semiconductors when they have nothing better to do. > >This is what happens if you post an online copy of a 15-year old, publicly available data sheet for a widely used part: http://www.ke5fx.com/usrc/q3236.pdf > >Oops, it looks like they missed one: http://f1chf.free.fr/boite%20blanche/QUALCOMM/q3236.pdf > >Bunch of asshats. > >-- john, KE5FX Why would anyone want to keep people from seeing their data sheets? But lots of people do. That chip looks klunky by modern standards anyhow. Several people make things like this: http://tinyurl.com/jskjlc4 which is astonishing, especially for $5 or so. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
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| From | "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b23b55a5-8cb1-4bcb-82ec-26d3ef7fb8da@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #429922 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:45:02 AM UTC-7, > John Larkin wrote: > Why would anyone want to keep people from seeing > their data sheets? > But lots of people do. > > That chip looks klunky by modern standards anyhow. > Totally. The Q3236 was already 15 years old in 2008, and you could buy much better parts by then. The page where I posted the data sheet was only meant to help me keep track of the programming info for an obsolete 26 GHz PLL brick (http://www.ke5fx.com/usrc.htm) that I bought from a surplus dealer on eBay. PSA: if anyone does need a Q3236 for anything, you can get a better version of it from Peregrine: http://www.psemi.com/pdf/app_notes/an09.pdf . I like Peregrine. They haven't sent me any bullshit DMCA notices lately, and they make neat stuff. -- john, KE5FX
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bq1uubloclgj04skkq2eru6md4pbjd0dbj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #429991 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:38:41 -0700 (PDT), "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> wrote: >On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:45:02 AM UTC-7, >> John Larkin wrote: >> Why would anyone want to keep people from seeing >> their data sheets? >> But lots of people do. >> >> That chip looks klunky by modern standards anyhow. >> > >Totally. The Q3236 was already 15 years old in 2008, >and you could buy much better parts by then. The page >where I posted the data sheet was only meant to help me >keep track of the programming info for an obsolete 26 GHz >PLL brick (http://www.ke5fx.com/usrc.htm) that I bought >from a surplus dealer on eBay. > >PSA: if anyone does need a Q3236 for anything, you can get >a better version of it from Peregrine: >http://www.psemi.com/pdf/app_notes/an09.pdf . > >I like Peregrine. They haven't sent me any bullshit DMCA >notices lately, and they make neat stuff. > >-- john, KE5FX They have some cool digital capacitors, SPI programmable. Maxim had one, but of course they EOL'd it. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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