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discharging caps

Started byjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
First post2026-09-07 08:18 -0700
Last post2026-09-26 10:25 -0400
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  discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:18 -0700
    Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 17:20 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 09:58 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 19:51 +0100
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-08 10:27 -0400
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:16 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-08 15:44 +0000
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 09:35 -0700
    Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-07 12:26 -0400
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 10:00 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-07 19:32 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-07 15:38 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 07:41 +0000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:57 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:23 +0000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 09:38 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-09 10:33 +0000
                  Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-11 11:54 +0100
                    Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:01 +0000
                    Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-11 13:59 +0000
    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 04:28 +1000
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 11:59 -0700
    Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 19:33 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 11:52 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:35 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:43 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:03 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 13:10 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:25 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:00 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 03:09 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 12:56 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:40 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:51 +0000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 03:44 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 20:57 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-09 14:25 +0200
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 00:12 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 07:59 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 02:27 +1000
                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 10:42 -0700
                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 17:43 +1000
                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:10 -0700
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 00:58 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-09 17:29 +0100
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 03:35 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 01:32 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-09 23:10 +0200
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 18:38 +1000
                              Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 00:27 +0000
                                Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 18:38 -0600
                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 07:50 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 09:14 -0600
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 02:18 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 10:28 -0600
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 01:28 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:03 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-13 23:54 +0100
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 17:12 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:05 +1000
                                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:21 -0700
                                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:28 +1000
                                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-15 10:23 -0700
                                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 18:39 +1000
                                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-16 03:21 -0700
                                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 21:16 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 15:59 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:22 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:31 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 17:59 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-09-12 21:21 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:27 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:24 +1000
                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 13:36 +0000
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 02:05 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 19:40 +0100
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:08 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:18 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:24 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:36 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:11 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:56 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:50 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:17 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 01:02 +1000
        Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:19 +0100
          Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:33 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:23 -0700
            Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 16:28 +0100
              Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 21:13 +0100
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 16:06 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:10 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 12:59 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:45 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 03:22 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 21:07 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:10 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-14 09:44 -0700
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-14 10:15 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 16:23 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-11 07:45 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 01:59 +1000
        Re: discharging caps Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2026-09-17 07:19 +0000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 07:46 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2026-09-18 04:54 +0000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 07:57 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:45 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 08:02 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-19 16:40 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-19 08:48 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 16:30 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 02:17 -0700
                        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-20 12:30 +0100
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 00:52 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:46 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:41 +1000
      Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 07:46 +0000
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:26 -0700
    Re: discharging caps Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-09-07 21:18 +0200
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 12:36 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-07 22:26 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 15:14 -0700
            Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:06 -0400
              Re: discharging caps Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-07 19:30 -0700
                Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 23:40 -0400
                  Re: discharging caps Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:04 -0700
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-08 08:45 +0100
              Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 11:59 +0100
                Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-08 12:30 +0100
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:34 -0700
                Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-08 12:55 -0400
                Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 08:15 +0100
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 07:41 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 17:45 +0100
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 03:53 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 19:28 +0100
                    Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-13 17:16 -0400
                Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-14 10:20 -0400
                  Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-14 15:41 +0100
    Re: discharging caps Carl <carl.ijamesXX@YYverizon.net> - 2026-09-07 21:10 -0400
    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-08 10:37 -0400
    Re: discharging caps Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-09-08 22:14 -0700
    Re: discharging caps someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 11:40 -0700
      Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-10 09:55 +0100
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:20 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 16:32 +1000
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-11 07:46 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-11 17:08 +0100
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-11 14:28 -0700
              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 16:24 +1000
                Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 10:49 +0100
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:09 +1000
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 07:54 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:20 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:12 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 02:53 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:43 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:37 +1000
    Re: discharging caps Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2026-09-09 15:15 -0700
      Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-10 12:25 +0100
        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-10 13:09 +0100
          Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:10 +0100
            Re: discharging caps Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2026-09-10 11:05 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-10 19:12 +0000
    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-13 14:52 -0400
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:17 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:25 +1000
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-14 10:15 -0400
        Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:53 -0400
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 19:15 -0700
            Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 23:50 -0400
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:58 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 07:26 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-19 16:26 +1000
              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-20 11:25 -0400
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:42 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:54 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-21 10:09 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-21 08:59 -0400
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-21 08:02 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-21 13:00 -0400
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-21 10:12 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-22 10:12 -0400
                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 08:25 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 03:55 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-22 17:36 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 16:18 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-23 09:05 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:36 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 08:11 -0400
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-24 07:26 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 00:52 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-24 18:40 -0400
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 16:22 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:50 +1000
                                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:26 -0700
                                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 01:32 +1000
                                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-26 03:12 +0000
                                                    Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 00:38 -0400
                                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 07:08 -0700
                                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 01:07 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 15:49 +0100
                                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:11 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-23 09:24 -0400
                      Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:01 +0000
              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-20 11:44 -0400
    Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-23 21:42 +0100
      Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-23 14:44 -0600
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-23 17:51 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-24 12:01 +0100
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 13:59 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-23 14:16 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 11:51 -0700
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 07:58 -0400
      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 07:54 -0400
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 13:59 +0100
          Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 17:56 -0400
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 16:27 -0700
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 11:55 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 17:09 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 09:38 +0200
              Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 10:59 +0100
                Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 12:28 +0200
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 22:42 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:38 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 01:11 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 19:59 +0200
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:56 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 09:24 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +1000
                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 03:20 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 20:55 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 07:59 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:35 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:15 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:22 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 07:20 -0700
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 01:26 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 22:58 +0200
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 16:20 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:39 +0000
                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 03:29 -0700
                                Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:50 +0000
                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 08:04 -0700
                                    Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:16 +0000
                                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 08:29 -0700
                                        Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 06:38 +0000
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 17:34 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:17 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:09 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:54 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 20:14 -0700
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:58 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-26 10:25 -0400

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#747517

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2026-09-09 15:15 -0700
Message-ID<nge43rFpmqpU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#747328
On 9/7/26 8:18 AM, john larkin wrote:
> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
> discharge them for several reasons.
> 
> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
> 
> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
> 
> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
> 

Maybe a boost converter that regulates to a constant current until it 
runs out of steam? It would have to run it down to safe levels.

The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the 
European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness but should 
still be able to light up half the road for a while Griswold-style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXaw70X7wb4

Or some big resistor array. Or a European style 230V non-fan space 
heater without any dimmer and stuff. If you did an LED load that should 
be seen from space.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#747532

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-09-10 12:25 +0100
Message-ID<1s17z4m.dbvqwcupv0ukN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#747517
Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:

[...]
> The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the
> European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness 

Under-running a halogen lamp considerably shortens its life.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#747533

FromSimon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk>
Date2026-09-10 13:09 +0100
Message-ID<117u6l8$1vgt7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747532
On 10/09/2026 12:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the
>> European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness
> 
> Under-running a halogen lamp considerably shortens its life.

Depends how much it's under-run, obviously. I've used 12V halogens as 
interstitial heaters in a string of NaNiCl cells glowing up to red hot 
and never seen a failure.

In any case, John's application is, I'm guessing, pretty low duty cycle.

-- 
SS

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#747534

FromJohn R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-10 14:10 +0100
Message-ID<117ua7p$20q9c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747533
On 10/09/2026 13:09, Simon Simple wrote:
> On 10/09/2026 12:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>> The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the
>>> European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness
>>
>> Under-running a halogen lamp considerably shortens its life.
> 
> Depends how much it's under-run, obviously. I've used 12V halogens as 
> interstitial heaters in a string of NaNiCl cells glowing up to red hot 
> and never seen a failure.
> 
> In any case, John's application is, I'm guessing, pretty low duty cycle.

The reduced lifetime with under-running is only going to be
a problem in the intermediate range where the filament is hot
enough for tungsten to evaporate but not hot enough for the
tungsten halide to be decomposed and redeposited on the filament.
Very low duty cycles or very low filament temperatures should not
be a problem.
John

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#747548

FromJoerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Date2026-09-10 11:05 -0700
Message-ID<ngg9rfF5n3hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#747534
On 9/10/26 6:10 AM, John R Walliker wrote:
> On 10/09/2026 13:09, Simon Simple wrote:
>> On 10/09/2026 12:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the
>>>> European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness
>>>
>>> Under-running a halogen lamp considerably shortens its life.
>>
>> Depends how much it's under-run, obviously. I've used 12V halogens as 
>> interstitial heaters in a string of NaNiCl cells glowing up to red hot 
>> and never seen a failure.
>>
>> In any case, John's application is, I'm guessing, pretty low duty cycle.
> 
> The reduced lifetime with under-running is only going to be
> a problem in the intermediate range where the filament is hot
> enough for tungsten to evaporate but not hot enough for the
> tungsten halide to be decomposed and redeposited on the filament.
> Very low duty cycles or very low filament temperatures should not
> be a problem.
> John
> 

Yes, you have to set the boost conversion output voltage accordingly.

Also, I used to have halogen lamps in my bicycle headlights for many 
years and when the NiCd started to fade (it did a lot in hilly terrain) 
there would be an undervoltage. They still lasted nearly forever. I did 
6000 miles a year when I was young and usually ran daytime lighting as 
well, for safety.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#747549

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2026-09-10 19:12 +0000
Message-ID<117uved$293pd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747534
John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/09/2026 13:09, Simon Simple wrote:
>> On 10/09/2026 12:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>>> The load could be an old-school 500W halogen construction lamp for the
>>>> European market (230V) which wouldn't get to full brightness
>>> 
>>> Under-running a halogen lamp considerably shortens its life.
>> 
>> Depends how much it's under-run, obviously. I've used 12V halogens as 
>> interstitial heaters in a string of NaNiCl cells glowing up to red hot 
>> and never seen a failure.
>> 
>> In any case, John's application is, I'm guessing, pretty low duty cycle.
> 
> The reduced lifetime with under-running is only going to be
> a problem in the intermediate range where the filament is hot
> enough for tungsten to evaporate but not hot enough for the
> tungsten halide to be decomposed and redeposited on the filament.
> Very low duty cycles or very low filament temperatures should not
> be a problem.
> John
> 
> 
> 

Another iteration of the halogen bulb urban myth. 

The halide recycling loop is pretty cool, keeping the bulb envelope clean. 

That’s all it does, though. Tungsten is lost preferentially from the hot
spots, which get hotter as this proceeds, but is redeposited rather
uniformly as crystals. There’s no healing of the hot spots. 

The long filament life comes from the high gas pressure, which slows down
tungsten vapor diffusion from the hot spots, which greatly enhances
redeposition there. 

The high pressure requires a very strong envelope that doesn’t melt easily.
 If it were as big as a normal bulb, it would be an explosion hazard and
the convection loss would be horrible. 

The halogen mechanism makes it possible to use a small envelope without it
turning black early in the filament’s life.  

Cheers 

Phil Hobbs 

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs  Principal Consultant  ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics  Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 

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#747682

Fromlegg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
Date2026-09-13 14:52 -0400
Message-ID<fjrdalp09u8ck3h66pba1mlibigq9ihrlr@4ax.com>
In reply to#747328
On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>discharge them for several reasons.
>
>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>
>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>
>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>
>
>John Larkin
>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>Lunatic Fringe Electronics

Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W 
 wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator 
across switched load.

Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time, 
but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.

RL

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#747687

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-13 12:17 -0700
Message-ID<n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com>
In reply to#747682
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>discharge them for several reasons.
>>
>>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>
>>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>
>>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>
>>
>>John Larkin
>>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>
>Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W 
> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator 
>across switched load.
>

My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.


>Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time, 
>but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.

200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
fail from repeated power spikes.

And it's around 4K joules.


>
>RL

John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747711

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-14 16:25 +1000
Message-ID<118840e$18ct6$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747687
On 14/09/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>> discharge them for several reasons.
>>>
>>> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>
>>> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>
>>> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Larkin
>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>
>> Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>> across switched load.
>>
> 
> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
> 
> 
>> Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>> but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
> 
> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
> fail from repeated power spikes.

Were they rated for the peak power involved? Some data sheets are more 
comprehensive than others.

> And it's around 4K joules.

Quite a lot of energy, but not exactly intimidating.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747717

Fromlegg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
Date2026-09-14 10:15 -0400
Message-ID<klvfal9p9q9ufusn8jd405rc3gt12rgaal@4ax.com>
In reply to#747687
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 12:17:59 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>discharge them for several reasons.
>>>
>>>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>
>>>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>
>>>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>
>>>
>>>John Larkin
>>>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>
>>Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W 
>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator 
>>across switched load.
>>
>
>My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>

Bypassing a safety interlock isn't encouraged and can have unfortunate
results. Testing it and ensuring function requires sensible procedures
and training. If you've got both, there's no issue. Providing 
suitable energy-limited test points can make their job SO much easier.

If only part of the installation is hazardous, it can be furnished 
with appropriate guards with their own interlock.

>
>>Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time, 
>>but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>
>200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>fail from repeated power spikes.

Both types mentioned are built for it. Consult the literature.

Carborundum, in particular, is used in surge applications.
50R recommended, because it is a common value in HV HF gear.
>
>And it's around 4K joules.
>
>
>>
>>RL
>
>John Larkin
>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747847

From"Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 19:53 -0400
Message-ID<118huik$1l6a$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#747687
"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>discharge them for several reasons.
>>>
>>>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>
>>>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>
>>>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>
>>>
>>>John Larkin
>>>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>
>>Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>across switched load.
>>
>
> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>
>
>>Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>
> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
> fail from repeated power spikes.

Philips managed that in the 80s
https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure

>
> And it's around 4K joules.
>
>
>>
>>RL
>
> John Larkin
> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
> Lunatic Fringe Electronics 

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#747848

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-17 19:15 -0700
Message-ID<9g6paltm1ac2etclcup8e73mqkid89aqco@4ax.com>
In reply to#747847
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:53:55 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>>discharge them for several reasons.
>>>>
>>>>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>>
>>>>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>>
>>>>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Larkin
>>>>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>
>>>Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>>across switched load.
>>>
>>
>> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>>
>>
>>>Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>>but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>>
>> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>> fail from repeated power spikes.
>
>Philips managed that in the 80s
>https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure
>
>>
>> And it's around 4K joules.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>RL
>>
>> John Larkin
>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics 
>

I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors

like this

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245

in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.

I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
fine.



John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747851

From"Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 23:50 -0400
Message-ID<118ice7$2tuu$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#747848
"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:9g6paltm1ac2etclcup8e73mqkid89aqco@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:53:55 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>>>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>>>discharge them for several reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>>>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>>>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>>>
>>>>>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>>>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>>>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John Larkin
>>>>>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>>Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>>
>>>>Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>>>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>>>across switched load.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>>> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>>> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>>>but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>>>
>>> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>>> fail from repeated power spikes.
>>
>>Philips managed that in the 80s
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure
>>
>>>
>>> And it's around 4K joules.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>RL
>>>
>>> John Larkin
>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>
>
> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>
> like this
>
> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245

Yeah I've used similar things in the past.

>
> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>
> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
> fine.

I remember the surge limiter resistors in Philips sets being something like
wirewound on a ceramic tube and painted over. 4.7 ohm I think.
When they had those fail repeatedly they were changed to something
like a cement filled ceramic box which were probably wirewound inside.

>
>
>
> John Larkin
> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
> Lunatic Fringe Electronics 

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#747855

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-18 15:58 +1000
Message-ID<118ijv9$v9sj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747848
On 18/09/2026 12:15 pm, john larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:53:55 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> "john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>>> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>>> discharge them for several reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>>> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>>> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>>> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>>> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Larkin
>>>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>>
>>>> Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>>>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>>> across switched load.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>>> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>>> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>>> but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>>>
>>> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>>> fail from repeated power spikes.
>>
>> Philips managed that in the 80s
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure
>>
>>>
>>> And it's around 4K joules.
> 
> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
> 
> like this
> 
> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>  
> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.

The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are 
maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an 
anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term 
dissipation limits might have made more sense.

> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
> fine.

But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747859

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-18 07:26 -0700
Message-ID<tciqaltcbmvkvhorpouuhpe83d0i5i1bhb@4ax.com>
In reply to#747855
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 18/09/2026 12:15 pm, john larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:53:55 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> "john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>>>> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>>>> discharge them for several reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>>>> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>>>> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>>>> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>>>> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Larkin
>>>>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>>>
>>>>> Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>>>>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>>>> across switched load.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>>>> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>>>> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>>>> but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>>>>
>>>> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>>>> fail from repeated power spikes.
>>>
>>> Philips managed that in the 80s
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And it's around 4K joules.
>> 
>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>> 
>> like this
>> 
>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>  
>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>
>The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are 
>maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an 
>anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term 
>dissipation limits might have made more sense.
>

I plead the ignorance of youth.

>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>> fine.
>
>But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.

Ask politely and I might.

Or learn how to google.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747889

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-19 16:26 +1000
Message-ID<118l9u8$1ubd5$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747859
On 19/09/2026 12:26 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 18/09/2026 12:15 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:53:55 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:n7tdalpl13kf5hb5u88gnjkc3d7lma9pi3@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:52:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>>>>>>> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>>>>>>> discharge them for several reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>>>>>>> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>>>>>>> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>>>>>>> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>>>>>>> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Larkin
>>>>>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mechanical safety interlock switch on box lid, applying 50R 50W
>>>>>> wirewound or carborundum resistor. Audible or visible indicator
>>>>>> across switched load.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My engineers and test techs need to measure and probe live, with the
>>>>> top cover off. And they may send a failed unit back to production for
>>>>> a fix. One thing that can fail is the discharge circuit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Takes about 1 minute. Smaller R value gives shorter discharge time,
>>>>>> but watch switch ratings and load surface peak temps.
>>>>>
>>>>> 200 volts into 50 ohms is 800 watts. I've seen wirewound resistors
>>>>> fail from repeated power spikes.
>>>>
>>>> Philips managed that in the 80s
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=which+80s+philips+colour+tv+had+repeated+surge+limiter+resistor+failure
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And it's around 4K joules.
>>>
>>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>>>
>>> like this
>>>
>>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>>   
>>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>>
>> The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are
>> maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an
>> anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term
>> dissipation limits might have made more sense.
>>
> 
> I plead the ignorance of youth.
> 
>>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>>> fine.
>>
>> But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.
> 
> Ask politely and I might.

Why bother?

> Or learn how to google.

"planar porcelain-steel thickfilm" isn't the kind of search string 
guaranteed to find the part you used. The issue here is your 
unwillingness to read data sheets and your incapacity to understand what 
they tell you.

Every time you go to the trouble of posting a link to a data sheet it 
seems to show up an example of your not reading it carefully.

Anybody with any sense would have learned to read their data sheets more 
carefully. You have learned not to post links to data sheets.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747942

Fromlegg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
Date2026-09-20 11:25 -0400
Message-ID<c4tvalds0h9mdv2mpi2rkig69026pse18h@4ax.com>
In reply to#747855
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
<snip>.
>> 
>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>> 
>> like this
>> 
>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>  
>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>
>The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are 
>maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an 
>anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term 
>dissipation limits might have made more sense.

Easy for advertizing to add 'pulse' to literature. Pulse-rated 
requires a graph.

>
>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>> fine.
>
>But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.

He could be refering to thick film porcelain-on-steel construction.

Welwyn - WBDR series. 

SEI - SHP series.

IRC-TT - TFS types.

Some of these either predate the internet or are company-deleted.

An unfortunate acronym (POS).

RL
 

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#747943

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-20 08:42 -0700
Message-ID<cevvald3uhjuvt5vhrog9igheakq1ejpim@4ax.com>
In reply to#747942
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:25:00 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>wrote:
><snip>.
>>> 
>>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>>> 
>>> like this
>>> 
>>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>>  
>>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>>
>>The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are 
>>maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an 
>>anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term 
>>dissipation limits might have made more sense.
>
>Easy for advertizing to add 'pulse' to literature. Pulse-rated 
>requires a graph.
>

AoE X-chapters has a cool section on exploding resistors. With graphs.


>>
>>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>>> fine.
>>
>>But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.
>
>He could be refering to thick film porcelain-on-steel construction.
>
>Welwyn - WBDR series. 

WDBR2-12RKT

Like this.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kup1hbfyqmyq0juav3ubi/Welwyn.JPG?rlkey=3rk5g37hn5bn6kunemr92gpde&raw=1

Welwyn also makes some nice gigohm resistors.



John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747985

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-21 17:54 +1000
Message-ID<118qns9$3ot7q$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747943
On 21/09/2026 1:42 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:25:00 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>> <snip>.
>>>>
>>>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>>>>
>>>> like this
>>>>
>>>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>>>   
>>>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>>>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>>>
>>> The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are
>>> maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an
>>> anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term
>>> dissipation limits might have made more sense.
>>
>> Easy for advertizing to add 'pulse' to literature. Pulse-rated
>> requires a graph.
>>
> 
> AoE X-chapters has a cool section on exploding resistors. With graphs.
> 
> 
>>>
>>>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>>>> fine.
>>>
>>> But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.
>>
>> He could be refering to thick film porcelain-on-steel construction.
>>
>> Welwyn - WBDR series.
> 
> WDBR2-12RKT
> 
> Like this.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kup1hbfyqmyq0juav3ubi/Welwyn.JPG?rlkey=3rk5g37hn5bn6kunemr92gpde&raw=1
> 
> Welwyn also makes some nice gigohm resistors.

Trust John Larkin to post a link to an uninformative phootgraph.

https://au.mouser.com/datasheet/3/1423/1/WDBR.pdf

does spell out pulse ratings on page 3 under "pulse and overload 
performance".

John Larkin really does seem to evolve his designs - there would have 
been a rational reason to switch from the Ohmite to the Welwyn part, but 
John doesn't seem to be aware of it.

I used Welwyn resistors quite a lot for critical stuff when I worked in 
the UK. The firm had good reputation, and none of their parts blew up on me.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#748003

Fromjohn larkin <jl@htigct.com>
Date2026-09-21 10:09 -0700
Message-ID<p4p2bl1jv0e5vgmec27jf886dvc6m8jbfi@4ax.com>
In reply to#747985
On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 17:54:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 21/09/2026 1:42 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:25:00 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> <snip>.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used some of those giant gold MIL-style 250-watt resistors
>>>>>
>>>>> like this
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ohmite/HS250-5R-F/5306245
>>>>>   
>>>>> in a high-surge low-duty cycle application. They failed, and tended to
>>>>> fail with one terminal shorted to the case. Bad.
>>>>
>>>> The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are
>>>> maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an
>>>> anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term
>>>> dissipation limits might have made more sense.
>>>
>>> Easy for advertizing to add 'pulse' to literature. Pulse-rated
>>> requires a graph.
>>>
>> 
>> AoE X-chapters has a cool section on exploding resistors. With graphs.
>> 
>> 
>>>>
>>>>> I replaced them with planar porcelain-steel thickfilms and that worked
>>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>> But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.
>>>
>>> He could be refering to thick film porcelain-on-steel construction.
>>>
>>> Welwyn - WBDR series.
>> 
>> WDBR2-12RKT
>> 
>> Like this.
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kup1hbfyqmyq0juav3ubi/Welwyn.JPG?rlkey=3rk5g37hn5bn6kunemr92gpde&raw=1
>> 
>> Welwyn also makes some nice gigohm resistors.
>
>Trust John Larkin to post a link to an uninformative phootgraph.

Phooey to you too.

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