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  OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-11 06:19 -0700
    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-11 08:04 -0700
      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-11 08:23 -0700
        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-11 08:37 -0700
      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-07-11 14:18 -0400
        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-07-13 07:38 -0700
      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-11 13:41 -0500
        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 16:02 -0400
          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-11 15:26 -0500
    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 13:53 -0400
    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-11 16:09 -0700
      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-12 04:26 -0700
        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 18:14 -0700
          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-07-12 23:20 -0700
            Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 07:09 -0700
          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) jrmymllr@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 04:41 -0700
          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 04:56 -0700
            Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 05:49 -0700
              Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 07:38 -0700
                Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-13 08:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 08:44 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-13 09:09 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 10:03 -0700
                    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-14 04:48 -0700
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-14 06:01 -0700
                        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-15 07:05 -0700
                          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-15 09:54 -0700
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-14 06:14 -0700
            Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 07:10 -0700
              Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 07:41 -0700
                Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 07:48 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 08:05 -0700
                    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 09:43 -0700
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 09:52 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 11:09 -0400
                    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 09:41 -0700
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 20:03 -0400
                        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-14 04:14 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 09:04 -0700
                    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 12:43 -0400
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-14 05:33 -0700
                        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 10:33 -0400
                          Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-07-15 07:34 -0700
                Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-13 10:02 -0700
                  Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-13 16:37 -0700
                    Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-13 17:52 -0700
                      Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) hondgm@yahoo.com - 2017-07-14 04:19 -0700
                        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-14 05:01 -0700
                        Re: OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :) krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 18:05 -0400

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#467911 — OT: Looks like Don Jr may have stepped in it :)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html

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#467922

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html

The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.

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#467926

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:04:53 AM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> 
> The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.

I'm not so sure about that.  Find the interview with Richard Painter, a former ethics lawyer for GW Bush and a self described Republican.

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#467927

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:23:22 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:04:53 AM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > 
> > The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.
> 
> I'm not so sure about that.  Find the interview with Richard Painter, a former ethics lawyer for GW Bush and a self described Republican.

This Russian crap is chump change:

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/10/forgetting-the-dirty-dossier-on-trump/
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/09/reagan-bush-ties-to-iran-hostage-crisis/

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#467969

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com writes:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.

Looking from finnish perspective this show looks exactly what and how
the russians were 'interacting' with our politics for decades.

We've got even a word describing the russian person in this kind of setting. 

Gotta re-read the history books and get some popcorn!

--
mikko

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#468233

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 2:18:56 PM UTC-4, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:
> bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com writes:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.
> 
> Looking from finnish perspective this show looks exactly what and how
> the russians were 'interacting' with our politics for decades.
> 
> We've got even a word describing the russian person in this kind of setting. 
> 
> Gotta re-read the history books and get some popcorn!
If it wasn't my country, I'd find it more amusing. :^)  

I have no idea what happened, but methinks Trump
doth protest too much.  

George H. 
 
> 
> --
> mikko

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#467972

In article <1f31bf87-1a0e-4018-8e78-8ad93b9a08c3@googlegroups.com>,
 bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donal
> > d-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> 
> The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/hillary-clintons-team-met-rus
sian-ambassador-says-kremlin-spokesman/>

With everyone so upset that Russia may have tried to influence our 
election, what about:

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/04/barack-obama-backs-macron-
in-last-minute-election-intervention>

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#467989

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:41:10 -0500, Mark Storkamp
<mstorkamp@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <1f31bf87-1a0e-4018-8e78-8ad93b9a08c3@googlegroups.com>,
> bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donal
>> > d-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
>> 
>> The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.
>
><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/hillary-clintons-team-met-rus
>sian-ambassador-says-kremlin-spokesman/>
>
>With everyone so upset that Russia may have tried to influence our 
>election, what about:
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/04/barack-obama-backs-macron-
>in-last-minute-election-intervention>

Or:
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/>

Or:
<https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/24/leave-campaign-obama-trade-warning-eu-referendum>

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#468001

In article <gkbamcd1oug6oj7mgpj9jgnuuol0rebpre@4ax.com>,
 krw@notreal.com wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:41:10 -0500, Mark Storkamp
> <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >In article <1f31bf87-1a0e-4018-8e78-8ad93b9a08c3@googlegroups.com>,
> > bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-do
> >> > nal
> >> > d-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> >> 
> >> The DNC was doing the same thing. It is not against the law.
> >
> ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/hillary-clintons-team-met-rus
> >sian-ambassador-says-kremlin-spokesman/>
> >
> >With everyone so upset that Russia may have tried to influence our 
> >election, what about:
> >
> ><https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/04/barack-obama-backs-macron-
> >in-last-minute-election-intervention>
> 
> Or:
> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-mon
> ey-oust-netanyahu/>
> 
> Or:
> <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/24/leave-campaign-obama-trade-w
> arning-eu-referendum>

He's made quite a habit of violating the Logan Act.

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#467962

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT), hondgm@yahoo.com wrote:

>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html

That's what they've been saying, every stinkin' day, for a year. "This
time...".

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#468030

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991

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#468084

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html

Of course she's going to deny it.  

> 
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991

Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.

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#468170

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> 
> Of course she's going to deny it.  
> 
> > 
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> 
> Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.

Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.

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#468182

On 2017/07/12 6:14 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
>>
>> Of course she's going to deny it.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
>>
>> Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> 
> Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.
> 

Dealing with a hostile foreign power during an election campaign to aid 
your candidate? How is this a thing?

Why did the Russians want to help Trump get elected? How does Trump 
becoming president help Russia's interests?

Have you thought about that at all?

John

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#468226

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 2:20:17 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2017/07/12 6:14 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> >>
> >> Of course she's going to deny it.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> >>
> >> Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> > 
> > Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.
> > 
> 
> Dealing with a hostile foreign power during an election campaign to aid 
> your candidate? How is this a thing?
> 
> Why did the Russians want to help Trump get elected? How does Trump 
> becoming president help Russia's interests?
> 
> Have you thought about that at all?
> 
> John

If you can't cite the applicable violation in the U.S.C., you have no case, just talk. That's the way our system works.

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#468215

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:14:39 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > 
> > Of course she's going to deny it.  
> > 
> > > 
> > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> > 
> > Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> 
> Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.

Oh boy, where do I start.  First have you read the emails posted on Jr's own Twitter account?  Some excerpts for those of you who don't want to read:

"Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY WHO IS FLYING OVER FROM MOSCOW"

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information BUT IS PART OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR TRUMP"

This is from https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

"The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly.  It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them.  Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment."

Jr. keeps saying he received no useful information, but this is irrelevant.  He went to this meeting with the CLEAR intent of receiving information to help Trump's campaign.  That would be like someone trying to rob a convenience store, they pull a gun, get the employee to open the register, but there's nothing in there.  So the assailant uses the excuse that they didn't gain anything.  Would they be charged despite leaving with no cash?  Absolutely! 

Nobody can cry "fake news": this information is STRAIGHT

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#468217

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:14:39 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > 
> > Of course she's going to deny it.  
> > 
> > > 
> > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> > 
> > Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> 
> Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.

Oh boy, where do I start.  First have you read the emails posted on Jr's own Twitter account?  Some excerpts for those of you who don't want to read: 

"Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY WHO IS FLYING OVER FROM MOSCOW" 

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information BUT IS PART OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR TRUMP" 

This is from https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml: 

"The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly.  It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them.  Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment." 

Jr. keeps saying he received no useful information, but this is irrelevant.  He went to this meeting with the CLEAR intent of receiving information to help Trump's campaign.  That would be like someone trying to rob a convenience store, they pull a gun, get the employee to open the register, but there's nothing in there.  So the assailant uses the excuse that they didn't gain anything.  Would they be charged despite leaving with no loot?  Absolutely! 

Nobody can cry "fake news": this information is STRAIGHT from Jr's twitter feed and the Federal Elections Commission.

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#468218

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:57:49 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:14:39 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > > 
> > > Of course she's going to deny it.  
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> > > 
> > > Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> > 
> > Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.
> 
> Oh boy, where do I start.  First have you read the emails posted on Jr's own Twitter account?  Some excerpts for those of you who don't want to read: 
> 
> "Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY WHO IS FLYING OVER FROM MOSCOW" 
> 
> "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information BUT IS PART OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR TRUMP" 
> 
> This is from https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml: 
> 
> "The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly.  It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them.  Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment." 

Your citation would apply if the Trump campaign solicited money from the
Russians.  Did they?

> Jr. keeps saying he received no useful information, but this is irrelevant.  He went to this meeting with the CLEAR intent of receiving information to help Trump's campaign.  That would be like someone trying to rob a convenience store, they pull a gun, get the employee to open the register, but there's nothing in there.  So the assailant uses the excuse that they didn't gain anything.  Would they be charged despite leaving with no loot?  Absolutely! 

A closer analogy would be Jr. showing up for a free promotional hotdog and
the store being out of hotdogs.

Jr. didn't assault anyone with a weapon to get something against their will.
He was invited to a meeting by someone offering something, legally, and
for free.
 
> Nobody can cry "fake news": this information is STRAIGHT from Jr's twitter feed and the Federal Elections Commission.

It's definitely "fake news," not because it's fake, but because it's not
news.

Someone claiming to be affiliated with the Russian government offered Jr.
"opposition information" on Hillary.  So what?  That's not illegal.

Cheers,
James Arthur

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#468234

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:49:38 AM UTC-5, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:57:49 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:14:39 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/russian-lawyer-who-met-with-donald-trump-jr-denies-kremlin-connection.html
> > > > 
> > > > Of course she's going to deny it.  
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#6f192ba13991
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, so there's Russian connections to Democratic lobbyists.  Is this illegal?  It's sounding like what Donald Jr has done may have broken some laws.  Have the lobbyists broken any laws?  I'm not seeing any mention of that.
> > > 
> > > Everyone keeps shooting their mouth off about treason and breaking laws. The United States Code is not a secret, it's open to the public. So give us the cite of the violation.
> > 
> > Oh boy, where do I start.  First have you read the emails posted on Jr's own Twitter account?  Some excerpts for those of you who don't want to read: 
> > 
> > "Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY WHO IS FLYING OVER FROM MOSCOW" 
> > 
> > "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information BUT IS PART OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR TRUMP" 
> > 
> > This is from https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml: 
> > 
> > "The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly.  It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them.  Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment." 
> 
> Your citation would apply if the Trump campaign solicited money from the
> Russians.  Did they?

Doesn't have to be money.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

"Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals"



> 
> > Jr. keeps saying he received no useful information, but this is irrelevant.  He went to this meeting with the CLEAR intent of receiving information to help Trump's campaign.  That would be like someone trying to rob a convenience store, they pull a gun, get the employee to open the register, but there's nothing in there.  So the assailant uses the excuse that they didn't gain anything.  Would they be charged despite leaving with no loot?  Absolutely! 
> 
> A closer analogy would be Jr. showing up for a free promotional hotdog and
> the store being out of hotdogs.

That's cute, but showing up for a hotdog is not even close to resembling anything illegal.  Meeting with an adversary for purposes of assisting with an election is.

> 
> Jr. didn't assault anyone with a weapon to get something against their will.
> He was invited to a meeting by someone offering something, legally, and
> for free.

LOL sure.

>  
> > Nobody can cry "fake news": this information is STRAIGHT from Jr's twitter feed and the Federal Elections Commission.
> 
> It's definitely "fake news," not because it's fake, but because it's not
> news.
> 
Whether something is news or not is clearly subjective.


> Someone claiming to be affiliated with the Russian government offered Jr.
> "opposition information" on Hillary.  So what?  That's not illegal.
> 
> Cheers,
> James Arthur

If I felt like finding an image of someone sticking their head in the sand, I'd post it for you.

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#468249

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 4:38:51 PM UTC+2, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:49:38 AM UTC-5, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:57:49 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:14:39 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:26:59 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM UTC-5, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:19:23 AM UTC-4, hon...@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>
 
> > Someone claiming to be affiliated with the Russian government offered Jr.
> > "opposition information" on Hillary.  So what?  That's not illegal.

If it is "something of value" and since anything that can be used to smear an opponent clearly is of value (see Karl Rove) it would seem that it was illegal.
 
> > Cheers,
> > James Arthur
> 
> If I felt like finding an image of someone sticking their head in the sand, I'd post it for you.

James Arthur starts from the proposition that no Republican has ever done anything wrong, and reasons back from there. Nixon was terribly misunderstood.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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