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| Started by | Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-28 20:26 -0700 |
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OT: Oh Deere Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-09-28 20:26 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-09-29 04:05 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-09-29 08:58 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-09-29 10:33 +0100
Re: OT: Oh Deere tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-09-28 21:39 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-09-29 00:43 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-09-29 08:15 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere jurb6006@gmail.com - 2018-09-29 08:12 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2018-09-29 14:13 +0200
Re: OT: Oh Deere <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-09-29 12:46 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere jurb6006@gmail.com - 2018-09-29 08:22 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 12:28 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere jurb6006@gmail.com - 2018-09-29 08:16 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2018-09-29 10:04 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2018-09-29 12:33 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-09-29 13:12 -0500
Re: OT: Oh Deere Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2018-09-30 01:09 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2018-09-29 12:48 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-09-29 13:30 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2018-09-30 07:09 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-29 14:03 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-09-29 14:36 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-29 22:05 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-09-30 12:23 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-30 10:03 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-09-30 10:27 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-09-30 17:56 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-30 11:10 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-09-30 21:20 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-30 16:14 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere krw@notreal.com - 2018-09-30 21:12 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-01 10:33 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-01 07:53 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-01 19:04 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-02 05:59 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:32 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-02 11:45 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-02 20:15 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2018-10-03 12:26 +0300
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:46 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:09 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-03 12:13 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 16:40 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-03 16:55 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-03 22:09 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 16:21 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-04 17:27 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 15:53 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Mike Coon <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> - 2018-10-04 23:58 +0100
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-04 23:51 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 18:36 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-10-01 16:22 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:26 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-02 10:29 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-01 15:00 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-01 09:52 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-01 17:38 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-02 10:49 +1000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-01 19:25 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:42 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-02 10:19 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-10-01 19:08 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Steve Wilson <9fe142ac@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:28 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-01 14:08 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-01 16:30 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:48 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-01 16:48 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-01 19:34 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-02 08:04 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:49 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:13 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-01 16:10 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-10-01 20:01 -0500
Re: OT: Oh Deere gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-02 09:16 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-09-29 22:54 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-09-29 19:34 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 19:22 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-29 22:28 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-09-30 08:26 +0100
Re: OT: Oh Deere DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-09-30 10:55 +0000
Re: OT: Oh Deere bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 19:18 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> - 2018-10-08 11:56 +0100
Re: OT: Oh Deere "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2018-09-30 18:58 -0400
Re: OT: Oh Deere Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-09-30 19:14 -0700
Re: OT: Oh Deere Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-01 17:06 -0700
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| From | Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-28 20:26 -0700 |
| Subject | OT: Oh Deere |
| Message-ID | <GhCrD.78061$uJ2.4148@fx27.iad> |
From recent Manward Digest: Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to smoke. Apple says you can't smoke on its corporate campus... or at home. Our new farm needs a new tractor. But the only thing we've found so far is a fresh scandal... and proof that the world is changing faster than many folks would like. What's happening this week cuts to the core of so much that we stand for. We learned to drive from the front seat of cars that we fixed up. The first car we bought was more than 40 years old... the next had been on the street for nearly 30 years. To get them to get us where we wanted to go, we brought out our box of wrenches. We fixed... we upgraded... and we modified. It taught us essential Know-How that we're convinced makes us who we are today. But the era of doing it ourselves has officially died. On its gravestone will be a picture of - of all things - a John Deere tractor. Big Green Gets Greedy You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors. If farmers want to upgrade, modify or repair their equipment, they won't be able to pull into their garage and do it themselves. Nope, they'll have to pick up the phone and open their wallets. It's a huge blow to the Right to Repair Movement. It's sad that a movement like this even needs to exist. But what's happening is no surprise. Margins for big-name manufacturers have been slashed over the last two decades as overseas competitors not only have increased the quality of their product but have done it for a lower price. Instead of making money on a one-time sale, tractor makers are now relying on decades' worth of follow-up care to turn a profit. But they can't make those bucks if somebody else is. Deere needs to force its customers back to its shops. The Future of DIY It's not just Deere, of course. Many say it's Apple that has pioneered the trend. If you've ever tried to go to a third party to fix an Apple product, you know what we mean. Take, for example, the poor folks who may have recently had their iPhone 8s repaired by somebody other than Apple. When the behemoth company recently released a software update... those folks suddenly weren't able to use their phones. The company locked them out. Their only choice? Take their phone to Apple... and pay up. It's good money for the phone company. And now that so much of what drives our economy is powered by electronics, the trend is certainly going to spread. More and more manufacturers are putting electronic locks on their computer-aided systems... and they're allowed to do it because they have the full blessing of Uncle Sam. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a tractor owner commits a crime if he tries to go around these security measures. Whether he owns the tractor or not... the technology that makes it run is patented and protected. It means tractor owners can no longer download tweaks to their computers. They can no longer modify onboard systems to improve efficiency or get rid of systems they don't need. And it means, when emission laws change, farmers won't be able to modify their old equipment... they'll be forced to buy new. Consumers' Choice We don't like what's happening. We don't like this business model. We like to buy something and truly own it. But we're neither naïve nor ignorant. Our old friend Capitalism is powerful. If enough buyers don't like what's happening, the fact that their money will flow elsewhere will ensure it stops happening. But, as usual, Washington has stepped in the way. While Washington rushes to debate the virginity of a Supreme Court pick, it refuses to remove its antiquated copyright laws from the books. Instead of protecting software for the typical period of 90 years or more, many folks are begging Congress to change the time frame to a mere 10 years. It's a much more realistic figure for the product it's meant to protect. But we're not in the lobbying game. We'll let much greedier folks figure out what comes next. Instead, we're in the idea business. And this is an idea that has us scratching our head. We don't like it, but we understand it. As a consumer, we know we're screwed. As a citizen, we know that our government's inaction is costing us our money and our Liberty. As an investor, we know that the idea is both lucrative and dangerous. It's adding dollars to the bottom line, but consumers aren't happy. And finally, we know our system gives us a choice. We choose to get our hands dirty. Our next tractor won't be green.
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| From | <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 04:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pomtmj$cp2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
Robert Baer presented > From recent Manward Digest: >Our next tractor won't be green. So, yesterday I was wondering when the 'merrican reality show manager puts more and more pressure on China if they will strike back by declaring all US copyright void. What's the US going to do about it? Bomb it? May as well bomb Apple. Apple is a sad case, will never buy that crap, 1000$ for a few chips and something that will be outdated and mostly useless next year. S. Jobs was a good salesman, hypnotized his buyers I believe. Yesterday I was re-configuring my old eeepc 701 that came with Linux, as a gateway router. At least it has a job again... Only buy things that run open source, modify and fix all you want. Better security. no unwanted updates. Who can stop you from replacing your car's controller by a Microchip PIC? Or by a Raspberry or its clones? Building your own plane? No need to reverse engineer, start from scratch, open source it, the rest will follow.
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| From | Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 08:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ponerv$76a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #517872 |
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 04:05:35 +0000, 698839253X6D445TD wrote: > Who can stop you from replacing your car's controller by a Microchip > PIC? > Or by a Raspberry or its clones? This could be a future profession for tech-minded young people; ripping the 'brains' out of these things and re-wiring them back to totally manual control. It's gone too far AFAIC. I just discovered the car I bought uses encoded mux control signals and computerised front-ends for all its control modules. I call that unnecessary BS and I'll never buy another one. I'll probably drive vintage classics *at least* 35 years old for the rest of my days now. -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 10:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <iFHrD.473397$%u.327599@fx05.am4> |
| In reply to | #517891 |
On 29/09/18 09:58, Cursitor Doom wrote: > On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 04:05:35 +0000, 698839253X6D445TD wrote: > >> Who can stop you from replacing your car's controller by a Microchip >> PIC? >> Or by a Raspberry or its clones? > > This could be a future profession for tech-minded young people; ripping > the 'brains' out of these things and re-wiring them back to totally > manual control. It's gone too far AFAIC. I just discovered the car I > bought uses encoded mux control signals and computerised front-ends for > all its control modules. I call that unnecessary BS and I'll never buy > another one. I'll probably drive vintage classics *at least* 35 years old > for the rest of my days now. You haven't been paying attention to how the DMCA is being (mis)used.
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| From | tabbypurr@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-28 21:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ce6c6010-c6f9-49f7-bb35-e5fc1508f877@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
On Saturday, 29 September 2018 04:26:34 UTC+1, Robert Baer wrote: > From recent Manward Digest: > > Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple > computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror > stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but > were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to > smoke. Apple says you can't smoke on its corporate campus... or at home. > Our new farm needs a new tractor. But the only thing we've found so far > is a fresh scandal... and proof that the world is changing faster than > many folks would like. > > What's happening this week cuts to the core of so much that we stand for. > > We learned to drive from the front seat of cars that we fixed up. The > first car we bought was more than 40 years old... the next had been on > the street for nearly 30 years. > > To get them to get us where we wanted to go, we brought out our box of > wrenches. We fixed... we upgraded... and we modified. > > It taught us essential Know-How that we're convinced makes us who we are > today. > > But the era of doing it ourselves has officially died. > > On its gravestone will be a picture of - of all things - a John Deere > tractor. > > Big Green Gets Greedy > > You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big > group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a > move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors. > > If farmers want to upgrade, modify or repair their equipment, they won't > be able to pull into their garage and do it themselves. Nope, they'll > have to pick up the phone and open their wallets. > > It's a huge blow to the Right to Repair Movement. > > It's sad that a movement like this even needs to exist. But what's > happening is no surprise. > > Margins for big-name manufacturers have been slashed over the last two > decades as overseas competitors not only have increased the quality of > their product but have done it for a lower price. > > Instead of making money on a one-time sale, tractor makers are now > relying on decades' worth of follow-up care to turn a profit. > > But they can't make those bucks if somebody else is. > > Deere needs to force its customers back to its shops. > > The Future of DIY > > It's not just Deere, of course. Many say it's Apple that has pioneered > the trend. > > If you've ever tried to go to a third party to fix an Apple product, you > know what we mean. > > Take, for example, the poor folks who may have recently had their iPhone > 8s repaired by somebody other than Apple. When the behemoth company > recently released a software update... those folks suddenly weren't able > to use their phones. > > The company locked them out. > > Their only choice? Take their phone to Apple... and pay up. > > It's good money for the phone company. > > And now that so much of what drives our economy is powered by > electronics, the trend is certainly going to spread. > > More and more manufacturers are putting electronic locks on their > computer-aided systems... and they're allowed to do it because they have > the full blessing of Uncle Sam. > > Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a tractor owner commits a > crime if he tries to go around these security measures. > > Whether he owns the tractor or not... the technology that makes it run > is patented and protected. > > It means tractor owners can no longer download tweaks to their > computers. They can no longer modify onboard systems to improve > efficiency or get rid of systems they don't need. And it means, when > emission laws change, farmers won't be able to modify their old > equipment... they'll be forced to buy new. > > Consumers' Choice > > We don't like what's happening. We don't like this business model. > > We like to buy something and truly own it. > > But we're neither naïve nor ignorant. > > Our old friend Capitalism is powerful. If enough buyers don't like > what's happening, the fact that their money will flow elsewhere will > ensure it stops happening. > > But, as usual, Washington has stepped in the way. > > While Washington rushes to debate the virginity of a Supreme Court pick, > it refuses to remove its antiquated copyright laws from the books. > > Instead of protecting software for the typical period of 90 years or > more, many folks are begging Congress to change the time frame to a mere > 10 years. It's a much more realistic figure for the product it's meant > to protect. > > But we're not in the lobbying game. We'll let much greedier folks figure > out what comes next. > > Instead, we're in the idea business. > > And this is an idea that has us scratching our head. We don't like it, > but we understand it. > > As a consumer, we know we're screwed. > > As a citizen, we know that our government's inaction is costing us our > money and our Liberty. > > As an investor, we know that the idea is both lucrative and dangerous. > It's adding dollars to the bottom line, but consumers aren't happy. > > And finally, we know our system gives us a choice. We choose to get our > hands dirty. > > Our next tractor won't be green. It's tempting to just say don't buy it. But the simpler more diy repairable product options too often don't offer adequate performance or run costs nowadays. Chinese products are ever improving, but I still would not buy a Chinese car. I like safety & reliability too much. And tbh the new linux phone compares badly to the old Apple. It sort of works. A lot of the time I can avoid the modern bs, but sometimes it's not really viable - what can you do then but suck it up. NT
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| From | bitrex <user@example.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 00:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eqDrD.174692$3L2.92980@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
On 09/28/2018 11:26 PM, Robert Baer wrote: > From recent Manward Digest: > > Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple > computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror > stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but > were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to > smoke. Apple says you can't smoke on its corporate campus... or at home. > Our new farm needs a new tractor. But the only thing we've found so far > is a fresh scandal... and proof that the world is changing faster than > many folks would like. Smoking _near_ a computer doesn't void anything it's all the tar and smoke residue that gets inside it from habitually smoking in the same room as the computer that voids the warranty. They're not monitoring you 24/7 via camera to see where you smoke (at least not yet.) Like if you took a turkey baster and injected a bunch of tar into the machine would that void the warranty? same thing. so just don't do that.
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| From | DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 08:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <poncb1$10en$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in news:GhCrD.78061$uJ2.4148 @fx27.iad: > Instead of making money on a one-time sale, tractor makers are now > relying on decades' worth of follow-up care to turn a profit. > What? You somehow think that the "follow up care" is not needed? You think they profit? Hardly. They barely make enough to pay the techs they have do the work.
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| From | jurb6006@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 08:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6b95fb20-45ed-4184-b2cd-e9c3ffcd3f74@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517889 |
>"What? You somehow think that the "follow up care" is not needed? You think they profit? Hardly. They barely make enough to pay the techs they have do the work. " Not logical. While it is not a huge fortune, it DOES cost money to use proprietary parts and make the unit unservicable. They go to that expense to MAKE MONEY. Everything a properly run company does is to MAKE MONEY. Look at the jets sold from the US, look at the costs and profits and where they originate - in maintenance. It also costs money for something like a tractor or a combine to have a satellite link so they can be shut down at will by the manufacturer, and John Deere has them. If you wait too long to do the maintenance they order that you do, that hing will stop anywhere, in the middle of a 300 acre field, in front of the barn door, anywhere. The only way to fight this is with money. Fuck the government they will never work for us until wee kill about half of them. I mean DO NOT BUT THE PRODUCT. By from another manufacturer. Oh, and when all the sales goes to imports, tell Trump that WE HAD TO DO THIS and we are still buying overseas until John Deere gets the fuck out of out pot of gold. They charge a half a million for this thing and then want to buck to change air filters and I am not allowed to do it ? AFTER I PAID FOR THIS THING ? I didn't lease the motherfucker, I though I bought it. you want to lease fine, I only need it 5 months out of the year, just like everyone else. You got the fucking storage for the rest of the time ? This is big company attitude - this is what is offered, they will buy it. Well the time has come to say no. You know we kinda look the other way when foreigner come here and pick our veggies n shit, that keeps food costs down. Now if we do that, we are going to let those goniffs suck money from that enterprise ? Just how stupid are people ?
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| From | Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 14:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ponq9g$1mmr$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
On 29/09/18 05:26, Robert Baer wrote: > From recent Manward Digest: > > Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple > computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror > stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but > were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to > smoke. I refuse to attempt any repairs on smoke-polluted electronics. It's disgusting. Everything is sticky and stinks. You're sure to have poor contacts when you put it back together again. Jeroen Belleman
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| From | <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pons7s$1puo$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #517893 |
Jeroen Belleman >I refuse to attempt any repairs on smoke-polluted electronics. >It's disgusting. Everything is sticky and stinks. You're sure >to have poor contacts when you put it back together again. > >Jeroen Belleman Ha, I have had TV sets in for minor repairs with the remark 'picture is not bright either' and all you needed to do for that was take some alcohol and clean the screen. Why not repair? Never had an electrical problem related to smoking. If that Apple stuff fails on a layer of nicotine and tar then it never was any good anyways. Apple is a bunch of make believe high end. If you are THAT much of a dork to not want to repair your own shit, very expensive shit at that, you deserve to be taken of the market, by law if must be, bunch of hypocrites, polluting air in China with their factories, and THERE it is OK? Jeroen you never fixed a car either? Those get very dirty too.... asbestos in the old wheel brakes, poisonous oils, dead insects, road dirt, shit, haha, I repaired my own car, took the whole engine apart, was member of the company's car club. You should see me after an afternoon under the bridge replacing the clutch on a car. You are spoiled! And on top of that, CERN uses so much energy, produces so much CO2, is responsible for so much global warming flooding, death, far from your bed is OK sort of thing? Poor polar bears. hehe ;-)
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| From | jurb6006@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 08:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <db40ecf2-e583-4e39-ab8b-f5b9ca28c155@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517894 |
>"You should see me after an afternoon under the bridge replacing the clutch on a car. " Been there, done that, got the T shirt. But for me it was a driveway, and a thunderstorm. About an inch or so of rain on the ground at my back as I lifted the transmission up to put it back on the bell housing. I heard the thunder and thought to myself - Man, this is about as grounded as it gets but I wasn't going to leave it hanging by the input shaft and bend the new clutch. So needless to say, lightning did not strike me.
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-30 12:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <741cd2a5-af99-4b9c-a97a-9070917f8c7e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517894 |
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 5:46:59 AM UTC-7, 69883925...@nospam.org wrote: > If that Apple stuff fails on a layer of nicotine and tar then it never was any good anyways. > Apple is a bunch of make believe high end. Well, that reminds me of the transparent-plastic cases of some early generations of iMac; a bit of smoke residue REALLY shows up on a graphite/lime/ruby'case. Dishwasher detergent and a smidge of lye in a sink of warm water makes it all come off, though.
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| From | jurb6006@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 08:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cc1a6562-c796-44f0-85fc-17ffad713efa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517893 |
>"I refuse to attempt any repairs on smoke-polluted electronics. It's disgusting. Everything is sticky and stinks. You're sure to have poor contacts when you put it back together again. " Well others refuse to let you decide for them, luckily. Everyone on this planet is only concerned with what THEY want, nobody else. I am in no way shape or form a homosexual, but I support their rights to do what they want as long as they are not bothering anyone. I smoke pot so I want them to support my right to do so. If they don't, I should tell them to go fuck themselves. We stand together or fall apart.
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| From | bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 10:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a54e5630-292f-49a1-937e-52902eff6b82@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 11:26:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Baer wrote: > From recent Manward Digest: > > Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple > computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror > stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but > were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to > smoke. Apple says you can't smoke on its corporate campus... or at home. > Our new farm needs a new tractor. But the only thing we've found so far > is a fresh scandal... and proof that the world is changing faster than > many folks would like. > > What's happening this week cuts to the core of so much that we stand for. > > We learned to drive from the front seat of cars that we fixed up. The > first car we bought was more than 40 years old... the next had been on > the street for nearly 30 years. > > To get them to get us where we wanted to go, we brought out our box of > wrenches. We fixed... we upgraded... and we modified. > > It taught us essential Know-How that we're convinced makes us who we are > today. > > But the era of doing it ourselves has officially died. > > On its gravestone will be a picture of - of all things - a John Deere > tractor. > > Big Green Gets Greedy > > You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big > group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a > move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors. > > If farmers want to upgrade, modify or repair their equipment, they won't > be able to pull into their garage and do it themselves. Nope, they'll > have to pick up the phone and open their wallets. > > It's a huge blow to the Right to Repair Movement. > > It's sad that a movement like this even needs to exist. But what's > happening is no surprise. > > Margins for big-name manufacturers have been slashed over the last two > decades as overseas competitors not only have increased the quality of > their product but have done it for a lower price. > > Instead of making money on a one-time sale, tractor makers are now > relying on decades' worth of follow-up care to turn a profit. > > But they can't make those bucks if somebody else is. > > Deere needs to force its customers back to its shops. > > The Future of DIY > > It's not just Deere, of course. Many say it's Apple that has pioneered > the trend. > > If you've ever tried to go to a third party to fix an Apple product, you > know what we mean. > > Take, for example, the poor folks who may have recently had their iPhone > 8s repaired by somebody other than Apple. When the behemoth company > recently released a software update... those folks suddenly weren't able > to use their phones. > > The company locked them out. > > Their only choice? Take their phone to Apple... and pay up. > > It's good money for the phone company. > > And now that so much of what drives our economy is powered by > electronics, the trend is certainly going to spread. > > More and more manufacturers are putting electronic locks on their > computer-aided systems... and they're allowed to do it because they have > the full blessing of Uncle Sam. > > Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a tractor owner commits a > crime if he tries to go around these security measures. > > Whether he owns the tractor or not... the technology that makes it run > is patented and protected. > > It means tractor owners can no longer download tweaks to their > computers. They can no longer modify onboard systems to improve > efficiency or get rid of systems they don't need. And it means, when > emission laws change, farmers won't be able to modify their old > equipment... they'll be forced to buy new. > > Consumers' Choice > > We don't like what's happening. We don't like this business model. > > We like to buy something and truly own it. > > But we're neither naïve nor ignorant. > > Our old friend Capitalism is powerful. If enough buyers don't like > what's happening, the fact that their money will flow elsewhere will > ensure it stops happening. > > But, as usual, Washington has stepped in the way. > > While Washington rushes to debate the virginity of a Supreme Court pick, > it refuses to remove its antiquated copyright laws from the books. > > Instead of protecting software for the typical period of 90 years or > more, many folks are begging Congress to change the time frame to a mere > 10 years. It's a much more realistic figure for the product it's meant > to protect. > > But we're not in the lobbying game. We'll let much greedier folks figure > out what comes next. > > Instead, we're in the idea business. > > And this is an idea that has us scratching our head. We don't like it, > but we understand it. > > As a consumer, we know we're screwed. > > As a citizen, we know that our government's inaction is costing us our > money and our Liberty. > > As an investor, we know that the idea is both lucrative and dangerous. > It's adding dollars to the bottom line, but consumers aren't happy. > > And finally, we know our system gives us a choice. We choose to get our > hands dirty. > > Our next tractor won't be green. The article has it wrong. They don't want these homespun DIY mechanics messing with anything that impacts efficiency and emissions.
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| From | John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 12:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9PmdnYrhlrblTjLGnZ2dnUU7-TPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #517922 |
On 2018/09/29 10:04 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 11:26:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Baer wrote:
>> From recent Manward Digest:
>>
>> Here's something most folks don't know... Smoking near your Apple
>> computer can void the warranty. The internet is filled with horror
>> stories of folks who took their devices to the company for repairs but
>> were denied coverage due to evidence the machine had been subjected to
>> smoke. Apple says you can't smoke on its corporate campus... or at home.
>> Our new farm needs a new tractor. But the only thing we've found so far
>> is a fresh scandal... and proof that the world is changing faster than
>> many folks would like.
>>
>> What's happening this week cuts to the core of so much that we stand for.
>>
>> We learned to drive from the front seat of cars that we fixed up. The
>> first car we bought was more than 40 years old... the next had been on
>> the street for nearly 30 years.
>>
>> To get them to get us where we wanted to go, we brought out our box of
>> wrenches. We fixed... we upgraded... and we modified.
>>
>> It taught us essential Know-How that we're convinced makes us who we are
>> today.
>>
>> But the era of doing it ourselves has officially died.
>>
>> On its gravestone will be a picture of - of all things - a John Deere
>> tractor.
>>
>> Big Green Gets Greedy
>>
>> You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big
>> group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a
>> move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors.
>>
>> If farmers want to upgrade, modify or repair their equipment, they won't
>> be able to pull into their garage and do it themselves. Nope, they'll
>> have to pick up the phone and open their wallets.
>>
>> It's a huge blow to the Right to Repair Movement.
>>
>> It's sad that a movement like this even needs to exist. But what's
>> happening is no surprise.
>>
>> Margins for big-name manufacturers have been slashed over the last two
>> decades as overseas competitors not only have increased the quality of
>> their product but have done it for a lower price.
>>
>> Instead of making money on a one-time sale, tractor makers are now
>> relying on decades' worth of follow-up care to turn a profit.
>>
>> But they can't make those bucks if somebody else is.
>>
>> Deere needs to force its customers back to its shops.
>>
>> The Future of DIY
>>
>> It's not just Deere, of course. Many say it's Apple that has pioneered
>> the trend.
>>
>> If you've ever tried to go to a third party to fix an Apple product, you
>> know what we mean.
>>
>> Take, for example, the poor folks who may have recently had their iPhone
>> 8s repaired by somebody other than Apple. When the behemoth company
>> recently released a software update... those folks suddenly weren't able
>> to use their phones.
>>
>> The company locked them out.
>>
>> Their only choice? Take their phone to Apple... and pay up.
>>
>> It's good money for the phone company.
>>
>> And now that so much of what drives our economy is powered by
>> electronics, the trend is certainly going to spread.
>>
>> More and more manufacturers are putting electronic locks on their
>> computer-aided systems... and they're allowed to do it because they have
>> the full blessing of Uncle Sam.
>>
>> Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a tractor owner commits a
>> crime if he tries to go around these security measures.
>>
>> Whether he owns the tractor or not... the technology that makes it run
>> is patented and protected.
>>
>> It means tractor owners can no longer download tweaks to their
>> computers. They can no longer modify onboard systems to improve
>> efficiency or get rid of systems they don't need. And it means, when
>> emission laws change, farmers won't be able to modify their old
>> equipment... they'll be forced to buy new.
>>
>> Consumers' Choice
>>
>> We don't like what's happening. We don't like this business model.
>>
>> We like to buy something and truly own it.
>>
>> But we're neither naïve nor ignorant.
>>
>> Our old friend Capitalism is powerful. If enough buyers don't like
>> what's happening, the fact that their money will flow elsewhere will
>> ensure it stops happening.
>>
>> But, as usual, Washington has stepped in the way.
>>
>> While Washington rushes to debate the virginity of a Supreme Court pick,
>> it refuses to remove its antiquated copyright laws from the books.
>>
>> Instead of protecting software for the typical period of 90 years or
>> more, many folks are begging Congress to change the time frame to a mere
>> 10 years. It's a much more realistic figure for the product it's meant
>> to protect.
>>
>> But we're not in the lobbying game. We'll let much greedier folks figure
>> out what comes next.
>>
>> Instead, we're in the idea business.
>>
>> And this is an idea that has us scratching our head. We don't like it,
>> but we understand it.
>>
>> As a consumer, we know we're screwed.
>>
>> As a citizen, we know that our government's inaction is costing us our
>> money and our Liberty.
>>
>> As an investor, we know that the idea is both lucrative and dangerous.
>> It's adding dollars to the bottom line, but consumers aren't happy.
>>
>> And finally, we know our system gives us a choice. We choose to get our
>> hands dirty.
>>
>> Our next tractor won't be green.
>
> The article has it wrong. They don't want these homespun DIY mechanics messing with anything that impacts efficiency and emissions.
>
That I can see, I used to get requests from people wanting to program
their car's EPROM with code they found online...I'm sure that would work
just fine and there could be no risk at all!
John :-#(#
--
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
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| From | amdx <nojunk@knology.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 13:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <poof9o$4om$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
Regarding the Apple repair, this guy does non Authorized Apple repairs.
He's fighting for the right to repair movement.
I find his videos very interesting and he does really nice work.
Videos of actual repairs under the microscope.
Apple SUES iPhone screen repair shop and LOSES!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNl2q6YZXlA&t=699s
Best Buy & Genius Bar tag team defenseless Macbook :'(
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyKp7fiXkws
Page with all his repair videos.
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w
Mikek
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| From | Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-30 01:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ux%rD.194477$tK2.142616@fx42.iad> |
| In reply to | #517943 |
amdx wrote: > Regarding the Apple repair, this guy does non Authorized Apple repairs. > He's fighting for the right to repair movement. > I find his videos very interesting and he does really nice work. > > Videos of actual repairs under the microscope. > > Apple SUES iPhone screen repair shop and LOSES! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNl2q6YZXlA&t=699s > > > Best Buy & Genius Bar tag team defenseless Macbook :'( >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyKp7fiXkws > > Page with all his repair videos. >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w > > Mikek > > > COOL!
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 12:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g1a37rFl6qrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #517869 |
On 2018-09-28 20:26, Robert Baer wrote: > From recent Manward Digest: > [...] > You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big > group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a > move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors. > [...] > Our next tractor won't be green. > So why buy this tractor? I would have gone to either another company or, if they all play such nasty games, get a used one. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | tabbypurr@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-29 13:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a96e5c32-9ef7-49a1-93ea-f2d938cc3035@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #517951 |
On Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:48:16 UTC+1, Joerg wrote: > On 2018-09-28 20:26, Robert Baer wrote: > > From recent Manward Digest: > > > > [...] > > > You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a big > > group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign off on a > > move that keeps farmers from working on their own tractors. > > > > [...] > > > Our next tractor won't be green. > > > > So why buy this tractor? I would have gone to either another company or, > if they all play such nasty games, get a used one. The problem is there's a limit to how much you can do that. I drive an ECUed vehicle because it uses half as much fuel and is several times safer. On a farm you can't afford to be using technology from the history books. NT
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-30 07:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g1c3pdF3329U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #517952 |
On 2018-09-29 13:30, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:48:16 UTC+1, Joerg wrote: >> On 2018-09-28 20:26, Robert Baer wrote: >>> From recent Manward Digest: >>> >> >> [...] >> >>> You see, the iconic equipment maker just inked a big deal with a >>> big group. Deere somehow got the California Farm Bureau to sign >>> off on a move that keeps farmers from working on their own >>> tractors. >>> >> >> [...] >> >>> Our next tractor won't be green. >>> >> >> So why buy this tractor? I would have gone to either another >> company or, if they all play such nasty games, get a used one. > > The problem is there's a limit to how much you can do that. I drive > an ECUed vehicle because it uses half as much fuel and is several > times safer. On a farm you can't afford to be using technology from > the history books. > If it's a large operations you are right, then you are captive if all manufacturers play these games. Anything smaller and you can also look at foreign sources such as Mahindra. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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