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  OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 13:01 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 16:40 -0400
      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:02 -0700
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 17:16 -0400
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:39 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-29 14:49 -0700
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:04 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:23 -0400
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:35 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-05-30 11:48 +0800
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 00:08 -0700
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-05-30 01:18 -0800
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 08:18 -0700
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-30 09:15 -0700
                    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 09:29 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 17:58 -0400
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-30 07:42 +1000
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:18 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:43 -0400
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 17:29 -0400
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:50 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:11 -0400
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:29 -0700
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:47 -0400
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 19:34 -0400
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 19:39 -0400
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 17:50 -0700
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 11:11 -0700
                    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 17:53 -0400
                      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:52 -0700
                    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:39 -0700
                      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in     new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:26 -0700
                        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 07:43 -0700
                          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 18:03 -0400
                            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:37 -0700
                          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:35 -0700
                        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in     new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:28 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:41 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:46 -0400
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 17:45 -0700
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-29 16:48 -0700
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:18 -0700
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-05-29 20:26 -0500
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-29 18:51 -0700
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:31 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 17:58 -0400
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-30 09:09 +0100
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:30 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-30 15:00 +0100
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in   new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 07:07 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:10 -0400
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 15:31 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:44 -0400
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 16:03 -0700
                    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 19:29 -0400
                      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 16:39 -0700
                        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 20:00 -0400
                      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 08:27 +0100
                        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-31 17:31 +1000
                          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 10:27 +0100
                          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 07:41 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 08:03 +0100
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2017-05-31 10:00 -0400
                  Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:38 -0700
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 07:35 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-05-30 22:03 -0400
              Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-06-01 07:26 -0700
                Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-06-01 17:52 -0400
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:05 -0400
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0700
        Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-13 20:33 +0100
          Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-06-13 12:54 -0700
          Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-13 17:56 -0400
            Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-14 21:23 +0100
              Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-14 18:50 -0400
                Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-15 20:34 +0100
                  Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-15 19:24 -0400
                    Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0100
                      Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-17 10:05 -0400
                        Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-17 16:53 +0100
                          Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-17 19:07 -0700
                        Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-17 09:03 -0700
              Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Laffer <chuckles@disposable.mail> - 2017-06-14 21:40 -0700
                Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-14 22:31 -0700
                Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 06:01 -0700
                  Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-15 08:24 -0700
                    Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-06-15 13:03 -0700
                  Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-15 12:38 -0400
          Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-13 19:17 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:04 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-05-30 01:16 -0800
      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 04:46 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 18:57 -0700
      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:42 -0700
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:47 -0700
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 09:39 -0700
            Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-01 06:26 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-05-31 19:28 +1000
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "rc12234@cox.net" <rc12234@cox.net> - 2017-05-31 11:08 -0700
    Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-13 04:48 -0700
      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-06-13 15:25 +0200
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 02:54 -0700
          Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-06-14 12:23 +0200
      Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-18 04:37 -0700
        Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-18 08:23 -0700

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#462200 — OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study

Hi,

Raw milk benefits:

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract

cheers,
Jamie

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#462206

On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Raw milk benefits:
>
>http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract

More features of raw milk:
https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/

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#462208

On 2017-05-29 13:40, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Raw milk benefits:
>>
>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract
>
> More features of raw milk:
> https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
>

That contains a lot of nonsense. For example, quote "Is raw milk a good 
source of beneficial bacteria? --- No. Raw milk contains bacteria, and 
some of them can be harmful".

Anyone who has ever made good vla, yoghurt or fine cheeses out of truly 
fresh milk knows better.

This craze to pasteurize just about everything is the main reason why 
there does not exist really good American Camembert or Brie at regular 
stores. Must buy imported, which we always do when we can.

If we as a country continue to promote helicopter governing and 
helicopter parenting the number of people with serious or even 
life-threatening allergies will continue to climb. Fast.

When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped 
as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut 
allergy was ... zero.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#462209

On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:

> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped 
> as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut 
> allergy was ... zero.

Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't 
remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them 
from XXX in 1963'"-argument.

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#462213 — Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study

On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>
>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>
> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>

No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#462215

On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>
>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>
>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>
>
>No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
>http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract

Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
		
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#462219

On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>
>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>
>>
>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>
>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>
> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
> 		

You can set them so they expire right after the session. Anyhow, it has 
long been know that being overly protective WRT germs and bacteria 
breeds sensitivity later in life. Like the old folks used to say, strong 
timber does not grow in idle places.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/06/319420973/early-exposure-to-bacteria-protects-children-from-asthma-and-allergies

Just walk into a large nursing home and ask the staff how many there 
have peanut or other allergies. Usually none. Then visit a school and 
ask the same question.

I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the 
collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors 
never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the 
village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old 
age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a 
great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a 
doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks.

While living in Europe for decades I ate lots of Camembert and Brie from 
France. The kind where a mold explosion happens in your mouth and it 
literally takes your breath away for a second or two. I really miss 
those cheeses. So whenever I visit Europe and someone asks me what I 
want to eat: French cheese!

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#462225

On 05/29/2017 06:04 PM, Joerg wrote:

> I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the 
> collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors 
> never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the 
> village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old 
> age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a 
> great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a 
> doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks.

Meanwhile an acquaintance of mine from college died at age 32 of 
small-cell lung cancer; she was a Quaker and never touched cigarettes or 
alcohol in her life as far as I know. Sucks, huh?

Hit the lottery and then wonder why all those other people worry about 
money kind of mentality, I'd say.

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#462228 — Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study

On 2017-05-29 15:23, bitrex wrote:
> On 05/29/2017 06:04 PM, Joerg wrote:
>
>> I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the
>> collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my
>> ancestors never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery
>> store in the village. People ate and drank what came off their land.
>> They grew to old age unless a war dashed that hope and they were
>> rarely sick. AFAIK a great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has
>> never set foot into a doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He
>> thought they were all quacks.
>
> Meanwhile an acquaintance of mine from college died at age 32 of
> small-cell lung cancer; she was a Quaker and never touched cigarettes or
> alcohol in her life as far as I know. Sucks, huh?
>

That can happen. Either for a reason such as being in polluted areas for 
too long or just bad luck.


> Hit the lottery and then wonder why all those other people worry about
> money kind of mentality, I'd say.
>

In the old days lots of people lived that way, successfully. In the US 
they often had to because the trip to the next town was simply too far.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#462252

On 5/30/17 6:04 AM, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to 
>>>> them
>>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>>
>>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>>
>> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
>>
> 
> You can set them so they expire right after the session. Anyhow, it has 
> long been know that being overly protective WRT germs and bacteria 
> breeds sensitivity later in life. Like the old folks used to say, strong 
> timber does not grow in idle places.
> 
> http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/06/319420973/early-exposure-to-bacteria-protects-children-from-asthma-and-allergies 
> 
> 
> Just walk into a large nursing home and ask the staff how many there 
> have peanut or other allergies. Usually none. Then visit a school and 
> ask the same question.
> 
> I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the 
> collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors 
> never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the 
> village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old 
> age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a 
> great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a 
> doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks.
> 
> While living in Europe for decades I ate lots of Camembert and Brie from 
> France. The kind where a mold explosion happens in your mouth and it 
> literally takes your breath away for a second or two. I really miss 
> those cheeses. So whenever I visit Europe and someone asks me what I 
> want to eat: French cheese!
> 

+1 We never heard of any of the modern allergies like being allergic to 
perfume or to other people. You even get kids that freeze when they see 
a dog !!

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#462265

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:48:21 PM UTC+10, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
> On 5/30/17 6:04 AM, Joerg wrote:
> > On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
> >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
> >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
> >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
> >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to 
> >>>> them
> >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
 
<snip>

> +1 We never heard of any of the modern allergies like being allergic to 
> perfume or to other people. You even get kids that freeze when they see 
> a dog !!

I had asthma as child (late 1940s). I wasn't told I had asthma at the time - I just had nightmares when I couldn't breathe.

It seems to have been a pollen allergy, and stopped when my lungs got larger. My youngest brother had allergic eczema and grew out of that too.

The way the immune system works you can end up allergic to practically anything - the noble gases may be an exception. The "mucky kid" hypothesis suggest that if your immune system doesn't get enough real threats to keep it busy, it will invent a few false threats to get enough exercise.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#462273

Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>
>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>
>>
>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>
>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>
> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
> 		
>                                          ...Jim Thompson
   Oatmeal?

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#462302

On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>>
>>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>>
>> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
>> 		
>>                                          ...Jim Thompson
>   Oatmeal?

Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-)
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
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     Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.

"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness."  -James Barrie

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#462305

Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.19.08 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer
> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
> 
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
> >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
> >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
> >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
> >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
> >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
> >>
> >> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
> >> 		
> >>                                          ...Jim Thompson
> >   Oatmeal?
> 
> Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-)

oatmeal and raisins that's breakfast 		

http://garngalleriet.typepad.com/.a/6a01053721fe3e970b016300c9548a970d-320wi

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#462307

On Tue, 30 May 2017 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.19.08 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>> >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>> >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>> >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>> >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>> >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>> >>
>> >> Cookies required.  Sheeeesh!
>> >> 		
>> >>                                          ...Jim Thompson
>> >   Oatmeal?
>> 
>> Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-)
>
>oatmeal and raisins that's breakfast 		
>
>http://garngalleriet.typepad.com/.a/6a01053721fe3e970b016300c9548a970d-320wi

I had grits with butter, salt and pepper, and a slice of toast for
breakfast this morning.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |

     Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.

"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness."  -James Barrie

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#462217

On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>
>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>
>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>
> 
> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
> 
> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
> 

The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US 
population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey.

What peanuts have to do with building playgrounds I couldn't possibly 
tell you. The researchers probably couldn't either, as allergies are 
likely a combination of genetic and environmental factors.

My college girlfriend had a severe, potentially life-threatening allergy 
to peanuts, which was discovered only upon he parents first attempt to 
give her solid food with peanuts in it when she was 10 months old or 
something. Not sure exactly how they could've raised her differently to 
avoid that.

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#462222

On 30/05/17 07:58, bitrex wrote:
> On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>
>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>
>>
>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>
>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>
> The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US
> population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey.

Peanut allergies have increased dramatically. The reason is that
peanuts are not being given to children when they're young enough.
There is now substantial evidence of this, which was posted a month
or three back on http://theconversation.com.au (by proper scientists).

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#462223 — Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study

On 2017-05-29 14:58, bitrex wrote:
> On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>
>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>
>>
>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>
>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>>
>
> The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US
> population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey.
>

Yes, and we must ask ourselves why.


> What peanuts have to do with building playgrounds I couldn't possibly
> tell you. The researchers probably couldn't either, as allergies are
> likely a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
>

I knew a lot of kids and parents because of the playgrounds. They don't 
have much to do with allergies. Well, actually they do a little. They 
were all "adventure playgounds", else I would not have volunteered. 
Meaning lots of exposure to dirt and stuff. Things that would make 
"modern" helicopter parents cringe.


> My college girlfriend had a severe, potentially life-threatening allergy
> to peanuts, which was discovered only upon he parents first attempt to
> give her solid food with peanuts in it when she was 10 months old or
> something. Not sure exactly how they could've raised her differently to
> avoid that.


Early exposure. Yes, before they are 10 months old.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-allergy-guidance-most-kids-should-try-peanuts-n703316

There are many other factors. For example, if one or both parents were 
living overly protected and developed allergies the chance that they 
babies develop allergies increases. It also depends where the babies 
spend most of their time. Indoors and in cars with HEPA filters and all? 
Or out on hikes in the wilderness, strapped to a parent? I strongly 
believe in the latter.

Remember the old days or even today in less rich countries? Mothers 
strap their newborn onto their backs and then go back working the field. 
No paid time off or any of that. If she doesn't do it the harvest will 
be bleak. Wind howling, dust clouds wafting through, a little drizzel 
here and there, all considered normal there.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#462229

On 05/29/2017 06:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

> There are many other factors. For example, if one or both parents were 
> living overly protected and developed allergies the chance that they 
> babies develop allergies increases. It also depends where the babies 
> spend most of their time. Indoors and in cars with HEPA filters and all? 
> Or out on hikes in the wilderness, strapped to a parent? I strongly 
> believe in the latter.
> 
> Remember the old days or even today in less rich countries? Mothers 
> strap their newborn onto their backs and then go back working the field. 
> No paid time off or any of that. If she doesn't do it the harvest will 
> be bleak. Wind howling, dust clouds wafting through, a little drizzel 
> here and there, all considered normal there.

Yeah, and absurd infant mortality rates by first world standards is 
considered "normal" there, too.

The best way for the first world to improve their overall health (and 
lower healthcare costs tremendously) isn't going back to a Third World 
childhood, but is pretty straightforward. Eat sensibly. Exercise. Don't 
smoke. Don't do drugs (including alcohol) to excess. If you have bad 
allergies take a Claritin, they work great. If you have a severe peanut 
allergy then don't eat goddamn peanuts.

Americans don't need "raw foods", they need to turn off the TV and 
fucking lift

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#462212

On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:02:11 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-05-29 13:40, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Raw milk benefits:
>>>
>>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract
>>
>> More features of raw milk:
>> https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
>>
>
>That contains a lot of nonsense. For example, quote "Is raw milk a good 
>source of beneficial bacteria? --- No. Raw milk contains bacteria, and 
>some of them can be harmful".

Right.  The CDC doesn't know anything about illness.  You know more.

>Anyone who has ever made good vla, yoghurt or fine cheeses out of truly 
>fresh milk knows better.
>
>This craze to pasteurize just about everything is the main reason why 
>there does not exist really good American Camembert or Brie at regular 
>stores. Must buy imported, which we always do when we can.
>
>If we as a country continue to promote helicopter governing and 
>helicopter parenting the number of people with serious or even 
>life-threatening allergies will continue to climb. Fast.
>
>When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped 
>as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut 
>allergy was ... zero.

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