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| First post | 2017-05-29 13:01 -0700 |
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OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-05-29 13:01 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 16:40 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:02 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 17:16 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:39 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-29 14:49 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:04 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:23 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:35 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-05-30 11:48 +0800
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 00:08 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-05-30 01:18 -0800
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 08:18 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-30 09:15 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 09:29 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 17:58 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-30 07:42 +1000
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:18 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:43 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 17:29 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 14:50 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 18:11 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-29 15:29 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:47 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-29 19:34 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 19:39 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 17:50 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 11:11 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 17:53 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:52 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:39 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:26 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 07:43 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 18:03 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:37 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:35 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-31 17:28 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 18:41 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:46 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 17:45 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-29 16:48 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:18 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-05-29 20:26 -0500
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-29 18:51 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:31 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 17:58 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-30 09:09 +0100
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 06:30 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-30 15:00 +0100
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 07:07 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:10 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 15:31 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:44 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 16:03 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 19:29 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-30 16:39 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 20:00 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 08:27 +0100
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-31 17:31 +1000
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 10:27 +0100
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 07:41 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 08:03 +0100
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2017-05-31 10:00 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:38 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 07:35 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-05-30 22:03 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-06-01 07:26 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-06-01 17:52 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-30 18:05 -0400
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-13 20:33 +0100
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-06-13 12:54 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-13 17:56 -0400
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-14 21:23 +0100
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-14 18:50 -0400
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-15 20:34 +0100
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-15 19:24 -0400
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0100
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-17 10:05 -0400
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-06-17 16:53 +0100
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-17 19:07 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-06-17 09:03 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Laffer <chuckles@disposable.mail> - 2017-06-14 21:40 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-14 22:31 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-15 06:01 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-15 08:24 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-06-15 13:03 -0700
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study krw@notreal.com - 2017-06-15 12:38 -0400
Re: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-13 19:17 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-29 18:04 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-05-30 01:16 -0800
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-30 04:46 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 18:57 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 07:42 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:47 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-31 09:39 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-01 06:26 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-05-31 19:28 +1000
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study "rc12234@cox.net" <rc12234@cox.net> - 2017-05-31 11:08 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-13 04:48 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-06-13 15:25 +0200
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 02:54 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-06-14 12:23 +0200
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> - 2017-06-18 04:37 -0700
Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-06-18 08:23 -0700
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| From | Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 13:01 -0700 |
| Subject | OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study |
| Message-ID | <oghum7$1ic4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Hi, Raw milk benefits: http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract cheers, Jamie
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 16:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fo1picprn918lp9mnden8l73ulqtpsq2to@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462200 |
On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote: >Hi, > >Raw milk benefits: > >http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract More features of raw milk: https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 14:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ep3giiFshunU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462206 |
On 2017-05-29 13:40, krw@notreal.com wrote: > On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Raw milk benefits: >> >> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract > > More features of raw milk: > https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/ > That contains a lot of nonsense. For example, quote "Is raw milk a good source of beneficial bacteria? --- No. Raw milk contains bacteria, and some of them can be harmful". Anyone who has ever made good vla, yoghurt or fine cheeses out of truly fresh milk knows better. This craze to pasteurize just about everything is the main reason why there does not exist really good American Camembert or Brie at regular stores. Must buy imported, which we always do when we can. If we as a country continue to promote helicopter governing and helicopter parenting the number of people with serious or even life-threatening allergies will continue to climb. Fast. When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut allergy was ... zero. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 17:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wc0XA.165102$qj5.125745@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #462208 |
On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: > When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped > as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut > allergy was ... zero. Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 14:39 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study |
| Message-ID | <ep3ip7Ft0aoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462209 |
On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: > On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: > >> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >> peanut allergy was ... zero. > > Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't > remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them > from XXX in 1963'"-argument. > No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 14:49 -0700 |
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On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:
>On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>
>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>
>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>
>
>No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
>http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
Cookies required. Sheeeesh!
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 15:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ep3k78FtcbjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462215 |
On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >>> >>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >>> >>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them >>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >>> >> >> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. >> >> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract > > Cookies required. Sheeeesh! > You can set them so they expire right after the session. Anyhow, it has long been know that being overly protective WRT germs and bacteria breeds sensitivity later in life. Like the old folks used to say, strong timber does not grow in idle places. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/06/319420973/early-exposure-to-bacteria-protects-children-from-asthma-and-allergies Just walk into a large nursing home and ask the staff how many there have peanut or other allergies. Usually none. Then visit a school and ask the same question. I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks. While living in Europe for decades I ate lots of Camembert and Brie from France. The kind where a mold explosion happens in your mouth and it literally takes your breath away for a second or two. I really miss those cheeses. So whenever I visit Europe and someone asks me what I want to eat: French cheese! -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 18:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Nb1XA.99578$661.83538@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #462219 |
On 05/29/2017 06:04 PM, Joerg wrote: > I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the > collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors > never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the > village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old > age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a > great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a > doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks. Meanwhile an acquaintance of mine from college died at age 32 of small-cell lung cancer; she was a Quaker and never touched cigarettes or alcohol in her life as far as I know. Sucks, huh? Hit the lottery and then wonder why all those other people worry about money kind of mentality, I'd say.
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 15:35 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study |
| Message-ID | <ep3m1sFtp5pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462225 |
On 2017-05-29 15:23, bitrex wrote: > On 05/29/2017 06:04 PM, Joerg wrote: > >> I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the >> collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my >> ancestors never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery >> store in the village. People ate and drank what came off their land. >> They grew to old age unless a war dashed that hope and they were >> rarely sick. AFAIK a great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has >> never set foot into a doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He >> thought they were all quacks. > > Meanwhile an acquaintance of mine from college died at age 32 of > small-cell lung cancer; she was a Quaker and never touched cigarettes or > alcohol in her life as far as I know. Sucks, huh? > That can happen. Either for a reason such as being in polluted areas for too long or just bad luck. > Hit the lottery and then wonder why all those other people worry about > money kind of mentality, I'd say. > In the old days lots of people lived that way, successfully. In the US they often had to because the trip to the next town was simply too far. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 11:48 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <pdadnYb-lZngdrHEnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
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On 5/30/17 6:04 AM, Joerg wrote: > On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >>>> >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to >>>> them >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >>>> >>> >>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. >>> >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract >> >> Cookies required. Sheeeesh! >> > > You can set them so they expire right after the session. Anyhow, it has > long been know that being overly protective WRT germs and bacteria > breeds sensitivity later in life. Like the old folks used to say, strong > timber does not grow in idle places. > > http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/06/319420973/early-exposure-to-bacteria-protects-children-from-asthma-and-allergies > > > Just walk into a large nursing home and ask the staff how many there > have peanut or other allergies. Usually none. Then visit a school and > ask the same question. > > I can't even count how many times I drank raw milk, right from the > collection tank at the farm or behind the tractor. Many of my ancestors > never drank anything else because there wasn't a grocery store in the > village. People ate and drank what came off their land. They grew to old > age unless a war dashed that hope and they were rarely sick. AFAIK a > great grandpa of mine who lived to almost 103 has never set foot into a > doctor's office, let alone a hospital. He thought they were all quacks. > > While living in Europe for decades I ate lots of Camembert and Brie from > France. The kind where a mold explosion happens in your mouth and it > literally takes your breath away for a second or two. I really miss > those cheeses. So whenever I visit Europe and someone asks me what I > want to eat: French cheese! > +1 We never heard of any of the modern allergies like being allergic to perfume or to other people. You even get kids that freeze when they see a dog !!
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| From | bill.sloman@ieee.org |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 00:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f397fd25-3304-420a-bf94-ea5f29c1ed52@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462252 |
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:48:21 PM UTC+10, Rheilly Phoull wrote: > On 5/30/17 6:04 AM, Joerg wrote: > > On 2017-05-29 14:49, Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: > >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I > >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a > >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. > >>>> > >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't > >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to > >>>> them > >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. <snip> > +1 We never heard of any of the modern allergies like being allergic to > perfume or to other people. You even get kids that freeze when they see > a dog !! I had asthma as child (late 1940s). I wasn't told I had asthma at the time - I just had nightmares when I couldn't breathe. It seems to have been a pollen allergy, and stopped when my lungs got larger. My youngest brother had allergic eczema and grew out of that too. The way the immune system works you can end up allergic to practically anything - the noble gases may be an exception. The "mucky kid" hypothesis suggest that if your immune system doesn't get enough real threats to keep it busy, it will invent a few false threats to get enough exercise. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 01:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5V9XA.100499$df3.98688@fx30.iad> |
| In reply to | #462215 |
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >>> >>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >>> >>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them >>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >>> >> >> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. >> >> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract > > Cookies required. Sheeeesh! > > ...Jim Thompson Oatmeal?
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 08:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ea3rich9fjfubdmih57b12c55b199ppdrc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462273 |
On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>>>
>>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>>
>> Cookies required. Sheeeesh!
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
> Oatmeal?
Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 09:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9f4cc398-1ef7-4920-afe3-7e4bdfaceb94@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462302 |
Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.19.08 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson: > On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer > <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote: > > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: > >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I > >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a > >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. > >>>> > >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't > >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them > >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. > >>>> > >>> > >>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. > >>> > >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract > >> > >> Cookies required. Sheeeesh! > >> > >> ...Jim Thompson > > Oatmeal? > > Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-) oatmeal and raisins that's breakfast http://garngalleriet.typepad.com/.a/6a01053721fe3e970b016300c9548a970d-320wi
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 09:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ud7rictek83g0thuqh43bndv5vkcgr152p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462305 |
On Tue, 30 May 2017 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.19.08 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 01:18:10 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:39:54 -0700, Joerg<news@analogconsultants.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote:
>> >>>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I
>> >>>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a
>> >>>>> peanut allergy was ... zero.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't
>> >>>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them
>> >>>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract
>> >>
>> >> Cookies required. Sheeeesh!
>> >>
>> >> ...Jim Thompson
>> > Oatmeal?
>>
>> Oatmeal-Raisin is my favorite ;-)
>
>oatmeal and raisins that's breakfast
>
>http://garngalleriet.typepad.com/.a/6a01053721fe3e970b016300c9548a970d-320wi
I had grits with butter, salt and pepper, and a slice of toast for
breakfast this morning.
...Jim Thompson
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"It is not in doing what you like, but in liking what you do that
is the secret of happiness." -James Barrie
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 17:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ZP0XA.62583$Zw2.2309@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #462213 |
On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote: > On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >> >>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >> >> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them >> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >> > > No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. > > http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract > The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey. What peanuts have to do with building playgrounds I couldn't possibly tell you. The researchers probably couldn't either, as allergies are likely a combination of genetic and environmental factors. My college girlfriend had a severe, potentially life-threatening allergy to peanuts, which was discovered only upon he parents first attempt to give her solid food with peanuts in it when she was 10 months old or something. Not sure exactly how they could've raised her differently to avoid that.
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| From | Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-30 07:42 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <B51XA.252193$rp2.16218@fx31.iad> |
| In reply to | #462217 |
On 30/05/17 07:58, bitrex wrote: > On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote: >> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >>> >>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >>> >>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them >>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >>> >> >> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. >> >> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract > > The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US > population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey. Peanut allergies have increased dramatically. The reason is that peanuts are not being given to children when they're young enough. There is now substantial evidence of this, which was posted a month or three back on http://theconversation.com.au (by proper scientists).
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 15:18 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: unpasteurized raw milk health benefits partly explained in new study |
| Message-ID | <ep3l1iFtgvkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462217 |
On 2017-05-29 14:58, bitrex wrote: > On 05/29/2017 05:39 PM, Joerg wrote: >> On 2017-05-29 14:16, bitrex wrote: >>> On 05/29/2017 05:02 PM, Joerg wrote: >>> >>>> When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I >>>> helped as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a >>>> peanut allergy was ... zero. >>> >>> Ah, the famous "appeal to the 'good ol' days' by way of 'I don't >>> remember a single person on my block who had anything bad happen to them >>> from XXX in 1963'"-argument. >>> >> >> No, it is also proven beyond any reasonable doubt. >> >> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2810%2900575-0/abstract >> > > The study says peanut allergies appear to be increasing in the US > population since the late 1990s according to a telephone survey. > Yes, and we must ask ourselves why. > What peanuts have to do with building playgrounds I couldn't possibly > tell you. The researchers probably couldn't either, as allergies are > likely a combination of genetic and environmental factors. > I knew a lot of kids and parents because of the playgrounds. They don't have much to do with allergies. Well, actually they do a little. They were all "adventure playgounds", else I would not have volunteered. Meaning lots of exposure to dirt and stuff. Things that would make "modern" helicopter parents cringe. > My college girlfriend had a severe, potentially life-threatening allergy > to peanuts, which was discovered only upon he parents first attempt to > give her solid food with peanuts in it when she was 10 months old or > something. Not sure exactly how they could've raised her differently to > avoid that. Early exposure. Yes, before they are 10 months old. http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-allergy-guidance-most-kids-should-try-peanuts-n703316 There are many other factors. For example, if one or both parents were living overly protected and developed allergies the chance that they babies develop allergies increases. It also depends where the babies spend most of their time. Indoors and in cars with HEPA filters and all? Or out on hikes in the wilderness, strapped to a parent? I strongly believe in the latter. Remember the old days or even today in less rich countries? Mothers strap their newborn onto their backs and then go back working the field. No paid time off or any of that. If she doesn't do it the harvest will be bleak. Wind howling, dust clouds wafting through, a little drizzel here and there, all considered normal there. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 18:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ru1XA.93865$3v3.71909@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #462223 |
On 05/29/2017 06:18 PM, Joerg wrote: > There are many other factors. For example, if one or both parents were > living overly protected and developed allergies the chance that they > babies develop allergies increases. It also depends where the babies > spend most of their time. Indoors and in cars with HEPA filters and all? > Or out on hikes in the wilderness, strapped to a parent? I strongly > believe in the latter. > > Remember the old days or even today in less rich countries? Mothers > strap their newborn onto their backs and then go back working the field. > No paid time off or any of that. If she doesn't do it the harvest will > be bleak. Wind howling, dust clouds wafting through, a little drizzel > here and there, all considered normal there. Yeah, and absurd infant mortality rates by first world standards is considered "normal" there, too. The best way for the first world to improve their overall health (and lower healthcare costs tremendously) isn't going back to a Third World childhood, but is pretty straightforward. Eat sensibly. Exercise. Don't smoke. Don't do drugs (including alcohol) to excess. If you have bad allergies take a Claritin, they work great. If you have a severe peanut allergy then don't eat goddamn peanuts. Americans don't need "raw foods", they need to turn off the TV and fucking lift
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-29 17:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2l4pictrudr6ntt2i350n3njbkb1134q84@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #462208 |
On Mon, 29 May 2017 14:02:11 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote: >On 2017-05-29 13:40, krw@notreal.com wrote: >> On Mon, 29 May 2017 13:01:13 -0700, Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Raw milk benefits: >>> >>> http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)01731-5/abstract >> >> More features of raw milk: >> https://www.cdc.gov/features/rawmilk/ >> > >That contains a lot of nonsense. For example, quote "Is raw milk a good >source of beneficial bacteria? --- No. Raw milk contains bacteria, and >some of them can be harmful". Right. The CDC doesn't know anything about illness. You know more. >Anyone who has ever made good vla, yoghurt or fine cheeses out of truly >fresh milk knows better. > >This craze to pasteurize just about everything is the main reason why >there does not exist really good American Camembert or Brie at regular >stores. Must buy imported, which we always do when we can. > >If we as a country continue to promote helicopter governing and >helicopter parenting the number of people with serious or even >life-threatening allergies will continue to climb. Fast. > >When I grew up I knew a lot of kids. Even as a teenager because I helped >as a volunteer to build playgrounds. The number of kids with a peanut >allergy was ... zero.
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