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  The "Germany Incident" Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 00:32 +0000
    Re: The "Germany Incident" Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-09 17:54 -0700
      Re: The "Germany Incident" Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-10 17:00 +0000
        Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-10 19:15 -0800
          Re: The "Germany Incident" Judges1318 <caiaphas@iudaea.imperia> - 2017-03-11 21:24 +0000
    Re: The "Germany Incident" John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-09 16:57 -0800
      Re: The "Germany Incident" John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-09 16:58 -0800
    Re: The "Germany Incident" Anthony Stewart <tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:28 -0800
      Re: The "Germany Incident" Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2017-03-10 18:54 +0000
        Re: The "Germany Incident" Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2017-03-11 22:50 +0100
          Re: The "Germany Incident" Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-11 22:31 +0000
            Re: The "Germany Incident" Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2017-03-11 23:49 +0100
              Re: The "Germany Incident" Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-11 16:09 -0700
                Re: The "Germany Incident" John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-11 16:01 -0800
                  Re: The "Germany Incident" Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-11 16:42 -0800
                Re: The "Germany Incident" Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2017-03-12 01:32 +0100
                  Re: The "Germany Incident" Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-11 18:48 -0700
              Re: The "Germany Incident" "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-12 00:42 +0000
                Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-11 16:51 -0800
                  Re: The "Germany Incident" "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-12 08:43 +0000
                    Re: The "Germany Incident" John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-12 12:05 +0000
                      Re: The "Germany Incident" John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-12 12:16 +0000
                    Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-12 05:10 -0700
                      Re: The "Germany Incident" "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-12 13:33 +0000
                        Re: The "Germany Incident" eacaws@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 08:21 -0700
                      Re: The "Germany Incident" John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-12 10:14 -0700
                    Re: The "Germany Incident" Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-12 13:20 +0000
                      Re: The "Germany Incident" eacaws@gmail.com - 2017-03-12 08:10 -0700
                        Re: The "Germany Incident" "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-12 16:46 +0000
                          Re: The "Germany Incident" Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-12 21:02 +0000
                            Re: The "Germany Incident" Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-12 14:17 -0700
                          Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-12 18:38 -0700
                            Re: The "Germany Incident" "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-13 12:24 +0000
                              Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-13 06:06 -0700
                                Re: The "Germany Incident" Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-03-13 16:42 +0100
                                  Re: The "Germany Incident" Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-13 09:24 -0700
                      Re: The "Germany Incident" bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-12 08:45 -0700
              Re: The "Germany Incident" Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-12 13:11 +0000
            Re: The "Germany Incident" Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-11 16:08 -0700

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#451087 — The "Germany Incident"

nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials said.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-
attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station

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#451090

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:32:39 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
<jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

>nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials said.
>
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station

Certainly!  Nothing happened at all, right?  I'm sure all the
"progressives" agree.
		
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#451169

On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:54:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

> Certainly!  Nothing happened at all, right?  I'm sure all the
> "progressives" agree.

Well, there was nothing on the BBC about it, so of course nothing 
involving mad axe attackers of unknown ethnic origin happened.
We can all sleep soundly again.

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#451268

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 4:03:40 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:54:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> 
> > Certainly!  Nothing happened at all, right?  I'm sure all the
> > "progressives" agree.
> 
> Well, there was nothing on the BBC about it, so of course nothing 
> involving mad axe attackers of unknown ethnic origin happened.
> We can all sleep soundly again.

Former Yugoslavia is pretty unspecific. He could have been a Slovenian, a Serb, a Croat, a Herzgovinian, a Macedonian or an Albanian. The Croats were mostly Catholic, the Serbs and Macedonians, Greek Orthodox, and the Albanians Muslims, not that any of the Yugoslavs I ran into in Australia and the Netherlands seems to take religion all that seriously.

The ethnic origins of somebody who is far enough off his head to lay into total strangers with an axe aren't all that interesting, except to people like Cursitor Doom and Julian Barnes.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#451368

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:15:54 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:


> 
> Former Yugoslavia is pretty unspecific. He could have been a Slovenian,
...

Had the lad no passport?  Has the police not checked?  Germany is one of 
those countries where everyone must carry the ausweiss at all times.  

But, after more than 20 years of reporting news of the "events" in the 
Balkans, one ought to be able to see through this reporting code:

If there is possibly any ever the smallest tiniest most contorted 
imaginary probability of blaming the Serbs for any bad deed at all, then 
this would have been reported as : a Serb attack.  If it cannot, then a 
way must be found to make it inclusive of Serbs, e.g. by saying Former 
Yugoslavia.

BTW, the attacker is an Albanian Muslim from the NATO protectorate of 
Kosovo.  

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#451092

On 2017/03/09 4:32 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
> nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials said.
>
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-
> attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station
>

"German police said the suspect is a 36-year-old man from former 
Ygoslavia, and he apparently suffers from mental health issues."

We all have our crazies. No country is immune to lunatics. Canada and 
the US have had our share too, both domestic and immigrant.

 From Wikipedia:

"Immigration and crime refers to perceived or actual relationships 
between crime and immigration. The academic literature provides mixed 
findings for the relationship between immigration and crime worldwide, 
but finds for the United States that immigration either has no impact on 
the crime rate or that it reduces the crime rate"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Not that I believe everything on Wikipedia, but it is a good start, for 
one thing it isn't beholding to its advertisers!

John

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#451093

On 2017/03/09 4:57 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2017/03/09 4:32 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
>> nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials said.
>>
>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-
>> attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station
>>

Opps, forgot link:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Attack-at-Dusseldorf-Germany-Train-Station-415809363.html

>
> "German police said the suspect is a 36-year-old man from former
> Ygoslavia, and he apparently suffers from mental health issues."
>
> We all have our crazies. No country is immune to lunatics. Canada and
> the US have had our share too, both domestic and immigrant.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "Immigration and crime refers to perceived or actual relationships
> between crime and immigration. The academic literature provides mixed
> findings for the relationship between immigration and crime worldwide,
> but finds for the United States that immigration either has no impact on
> the crime rate or that it reduces the crime rate"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
>
> Not that I believe everything on Wikipedia, but it is a good start, for
> one thing it isn't beholding to its advertisers!
>
> John

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#451173

On Thursday, 9 March 2017 19:35:31 UTC-5, Julian Barnes  wrote:
> nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials said.
> 
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-
> attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station

Which officals?  The terrorist reporters?  This was a terrible act from mental illness

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#451198

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 09:28:08 -0800, Anthony Stewart wrote:

> On Thursday, 9 March 2017 19:35:31 UTC-5, Julian Barnes  wrote:
>> nothing happened at dussledorf trainstation earlier today officials
>> said.
>> 
>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/several-injured-after-axe-
>> attackers-go-rampage-dusseldorf-train-station
> 
> Which officals?  The terrorist reporters?  This was a terrible act from
> mental illness

I pray every day for this nightmare to end. God help us all.

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#451372

Gunther Heiko Hagen schrieb:

> I pray every day for this nightmare to end. God help us all.

That, at least, can't be bad.

But nowhere in the world anyone is safe from mentally ill people.
What about Charles Manson and his "family"?

Best regards

Reinhard

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#451379

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:50:47 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:

> Gunther Heiko Hagen schrieb:
> 
>> I pray every day for this nightmare to end. God help us all.
> 
> That, at least, can't be bad.
> 
> But nowhere in the world anyone is safe from mentally ill people.
> What about Charles Manson and his "family"?

Exactly. What about them? The thing is, the Manson case is really not 
that unusual in California. It's a very violent state with a lot of crazy 
people living in it. The worst of the worst things happen there. That's 
the distinction that counts, because no one wants to see respectable, 
normal countries like Germany, Sweden, etc, etc, become like California. 
And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by 
Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and 
more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.

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#451382

Chris schrieb:

[...]
> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by 
> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and 
> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.

Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?

Best regards

Reinhard

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#451387

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:49:13 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
<reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:

>Chris schrieb:
>
>[...]
>> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by 
>> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and 
>> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.
>
>Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
>higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
>
>Best regards
>
>Reinhard

And _which_ do you think would be dangerous to large crowds, or malls,
or buses, or trains, or airplanes heading to New York City?
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#451394

On 2017/03/11 3:09 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:49:13 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
> <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> Chris schrieb:
>>
>> [...]
>>> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by
>>> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and
>>> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.
>>
>> Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
>> higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Reinhard
>
> And _which_ do you think would be dangerous to large crowds, or malls,
> or buses, or trains, or airplanes heading to New York City?
> 		
>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>

Your belief is that is it just one group that is dangerous, but that is 
a logical fallacy. Anyone with a religious vendetta is going to be 
dangerous to others. Japan had their  Sarin subway terrorists, Ireland 
had trouble for a couple of hundred years over two branches of 
Christianity, Hindus and Sikhs have gone at it a number of times, and 
many, many other groups have happily attacked each other.

None of the above cared if anyone else was caught in the fray.

John

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#451403

Den søndag den 12. marts 2017 kl. 01.01.30 UTC+1 skrev John Robertson:
> On 2017/03/11 3:09 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:49:13 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
> > <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Chris schrieb:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by
> >>> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and
> >>> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.
> >>
> >> Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
> >> higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Reinhard
> >
> > And _which_ do you think would be dangerous to large crowds, or malls,
> > or buses, or trains, or airplanes heading to New York City?
> > 		
> >                                         ...Jim Thompson
> >
> 
> Your belief is that is it just one group that is dangerous, but that is 
> a logical fallacy. Anyone with a religious vendetta is going to be 
> dangerous to others. Japan had their  Sarin subway terrorists, Ireland 
> had trouble for a couple of hundred years over two branches of 
> Christianity, Hindus and Sikhs have gone at it a number of times, and 
> many, many other groups have happily attacked each other.
> 
> None of the above cared if anyone else was caught in the fray.
> 
> John

afaict the the Ireland thing was about independence, religion wasn't 
the primary issue

as one comedian? put it
 
he was asked "protestant or catholic?" answered atheist
was then asked if he a protestant or catholic atheist?

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#451399

Jim Thompson schrieb:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:49:13 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
> <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:

[...]
>> ... But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
>> higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?

> And _which_ do you think would be dangerous to large crowds, or malls,
> or buses, or trains, or airplanes heading to New York City?

As to your scenario: I don't think there is a difference between
_mentally_ill_ members of this religions.

Best regards

Reinhard

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#451415

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 01:32:02 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
<reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:

>Jim Thompson schrieb:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:49:13 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner
>> <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>[...]
>>> ... But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
>>> higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
>
>> And _which_ do you think would be dangerous to large crowds, or malls,
>> or buses, or trains, or airplanes heading to New York City?
>
>As to your scenario: I don't think there is a difference between
>_mentally_ill_ members of this religions.
>
>Best regards
>
>Reinhard

Bullshit, I can think of only one in the past 50 years that occurred
in the US by someone who might be construed as a Christian.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#451404

"Reinhard Zwirner"  wrote in message 
news:eijd6sF2l85U1@mid.individual.net...

Chris schrieb:

[...]
>> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by
>> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and
>> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.

>Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
>higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?

No. All people that believe in gods, are mentally ill :-)

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html 

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#451406

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:42:45 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
> "Reinhard Zwirner"  wrote in message 
> news:eijd6sF2l85U1@mid.individual.net...
> 
> Chris schrieb:
> 
> [...]
> >> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped by
> >> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and
> >> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.
> 
> >Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
> >higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
> 
> No. All people that believe in gods, are mentally ill :-)

Perhaps. But most of the people who believe in some god or gods don't go around doing violent things to their neighbours, or to passing strangers. You have to be more specific about the nature the of mental illness invovled and concentrate your attention on the variations that are worth worrying about.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#451443

wrote in message 
news:df516195-1452-4e2d-a0d0-8a426265f244@googlegroups.com...

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:42:45 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
> "Reinhard Zwirner"  wrote in message
> news:eijd6sF2l85U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Chris schrieb:
>
> [...]
> >> And I think the worry is, given the fact that Europe is being swamped 
> >> by
> >> Muslims with a very different cultural mindset, it is becoming more and
> >> more like California and that is something that none of us want to see.
>
> >Me too. But do you think the percentage of mentally ill Muslims is
> >>higher than the percentage of mentally ill Christians?
>
>> No. All people that believe in gods, are mentally ill :-)

>Perhaps. But most of the people who believe in some god or gods don't go 
>around doing violent things to their neighbours, or to passing strangers.

Sure. The however is that, the leader of Christians, Jesus, said, don't go 
around killing people of other religions. The leader of Muslims, Muhammad, 
said, go and kill people of other religions. Surely, one would anticipate 
that this would have an effect as to whether the equal ratio numbers of 
mentally ill result in more killings by one religion than other.


-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

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