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  why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-08 17:11 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-03-09 10:35 +0200
      Re: why analog electronics Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-09 07:00 -0700
      Re: why analog electronics bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 09:30 -0500
      Re: why analog electronics gregz <zekor@comcast.net> - 2017-03-10 08:23 +0000
    Re: why analog electronics bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 09:25 -0500
    Re: why analog electronics Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:29 +0000
    Re: why analog electronics doh@yipee.com - 2017-03-09 13:42 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-09 22:29 +0000
        Re: why analog electronics pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 14:59 -0800
          Re: why analog electronics Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-10 08:27 +0000
            Re: why analog electronics Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-10 15:07 +0100
          Re: why analog electronics bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-10 12:17 -0500
            Re: why analog electronics bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-10 12:18 -0500
        Re: why analog electronics Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-03-10 13:30 +0100
        Re: why analog electronics bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-13 04:06 -0700
      Re: why analog electronics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-10 12:50 +1100
        Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-09 20:07 -0600
        Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 19:28 -0800
          Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-10 19:05 -0600
        Re: why analog electronics Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-10 04:49 -0800
          Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 08:08 -0800
            Re: why analog electronics Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-12 02:30 +0000
              Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-13 10:18 -0700
                Re: why analog electronics Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-13 22:56 +0000
        Re: why analog electronics Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-03-11 00:02 +0100
    Re: why analog electronics jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 20:50 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics boB@everett.wa - 2017-03-09 22:33 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 13:16 -0500
          Re: why analog electronics boB <boB@theresnoplacelikehome.com> - 2017-03-10 12:24 -0800
            Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 20:04 -0500
              Re: why analog electronics boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-03-10 19:41 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics djlocher56@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 22:27 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 13:17 -0500
        Re: why analog electronics bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2017-03-10 10:51 -0800
          Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 20:06 -0500
          Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-10 19:09 -0600
            Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 22:15 -0500
      Re: why analog electronics tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-10 14:12 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-10 15:30 -0700
          Re: why analog electronics tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-10 15:04 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics Anthony Stewart <tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:38 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics boB@everett.wa - 2017-03-10 11:03 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-10 20:09 -0500
          Re: why analog electronics boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-03-10 19:50 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-10 12:50 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 13:18 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-10 13:36 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-10 17:01 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-03-11 16:04 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-10 19:08 -0600
      Re: why analog electronics George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-10 18:54 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-11 11:45 -0600
          Re: why analog electronics "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-03-17 22:02 -0400
            Re: why analog electronics "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-18 03:55 -0500
      Re: why analog electronics boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-03-10 19:56 -0800
    Re: why analog electronics Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-03-11 12:42 -0600
      Re: why analog electronics Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-11 13:20 -0800
      Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 14:51 -0800
        Re: why analog electronics Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-12 13:28 +0000
          Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-12 10:49 -0700
            Re: why analog electronics Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-12 21:10 +0000
              Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-12 19:29 -0400
              Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-12 16:49 -0700
                Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-12 21:18 -0400
                  Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-12 19:07 -0700
                    Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-12 22:43 -0400
                      Re: why analog electronics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-12 19:53 -0700
                        Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-12 23:01 -0400
                      Re: why analog electronics pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 07:19 -0700
                        Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-13 20:39 -0400
                          Re: why analog electronics pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-03-14 04:28 -0700
                            Re: why analog electronics krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-14 12:42 -0400
                              Re: why analog electronics Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-15 09:56 -0400
    Re: why analog electronics George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-13 19:59 -0700

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#450905 — why analog electronics

The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.

So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#450946

On 9.3.17 03:11, John Larkin wrote:
>
> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>
> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.


Have a look at <http://gunkies.org/wiki/Vonada's_Engineering_Maxims>.
The second one answers your question.

-- 

-TV

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#450959

On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 10:35:39 +0200, Tauno Voipio
<tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> wrote:

>On 9.3.17 03:11, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>
>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>
>
>Have a look at <http://gunkies.org/wiki/Vonada's_Engineering_Maxims>.
>The second one answers your question.

Excellent!
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#450964

On 03/09/2017 03:35 AM, Tauno Voipio wrote:
> On 9.3.17 03:11, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>
>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>
>
> Have a look at <http://gunkies.org/wiki/Vonada's_Engineering_Maxims>.
> The second one answers your question.
>

#10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan's_ass
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbounded_nondeterminism

Johnson noise is God's way of dithering the Universe.

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#451139

Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> wrote:
> On 9.3.17 03:11, John Larkin wrote:
>> 
>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>> 
>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
> 
> 
> Have a look at <http://gunkies.org/wiki/Vonada's_Engineering_Maxims>.
> The second one answers your question.


Been looking for that !!

Greg

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#450961

On 03/08/2017 08:11 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>
> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.

#analogmatters

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#451010

On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not being
> a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.

"Analogue is the Future" - that's all anyone needs to know.

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#451048

On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>
>The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>
>So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.

The universe is analog. Man invented digital.

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#451058

On 09/03/17 21:42, doh@yipee.com wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>
>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>
> The universe is analog. Man invented digital.

Except w.r.t. photon counting and femtoamp measurements.

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#451066

Leopold Kronecker famously said, "God made the integers. All else is the work of man."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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#451140

On 09/03/17 22:59, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
> Leopold Kronecker famously said, "God made the integers. All else is the work of man."

Bloody mathematicians :)

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#451159

Am 10.03.2017 um 09:27 schrieb Tom Gardner:
> On 09/03/17 22:59, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>> Leopold Kronecker famously said, "God made the integers. All else is
>> the work of man."
>
> Bloody mathematicians :)


If it only was so harmless!


St. Augustine, magister ecclesiae:

"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who 
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians 
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine 
man in the bonds of hell."


regards, Gerhard

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#451170

On 03/09/2017 05:59 PM, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
> Leopold Kronecker famously said, "God made the integers. All else is the work of man."
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>

Godel might have said: "God made countably many provably undecidable 
statements within the confines of ZFC set theory"

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#451171

On 03/10/2017 12:17 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 03/09/2017 05:59 PM, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>> Leopold Kronecker famously said, "God made the integers. All else is
>> the work of man."
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
>>
>
> Godel might have said: "God made countably many provably undecidable
> statements within the confines of ZFC set theory"

Ok he might not have called it "ZFC set theory" but whatevs.

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#451151

On 2017-03-09 23:29, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 09/03/17 21:42, doh@yipee.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>>
>>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>>
>> The universe is analog. Man invented digital.
>
> Except w.r.t. photon counting and femtoamp measurements.
>

Oh no! There we go again.

Jeroen Belleman

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#451601

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 9:29:45 AM UTC+11, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 09/03/17 21:42, doh@yipee.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
> > <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
> >> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
> >> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
> >> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
> >> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
> >>
> >> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
> >> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
> >
> > The universe is analog. Man invented digital.
> 
> Except w.r.t. photon counting and femtoamp measurements.

Perhaps not even there.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009PhRvA..79c3802B

I heard a lecture today from Prof. Robert W. Boyd on impressing an image from an orthogonal basis set onto a single photon, then distinguishing between the photons carrying the various possible encodings with a holographic matched filter.

He managed to transmit 2.1 bits worth of information per photon, and pointed out the theoretical information content was infinite. He used seven possible states to shift his 2.1 bits, and pointed out that it would have taken a much lower-noise set-up to do better. 

Not a result I'd have expected. The electromagnetic field corresponding to a single photon is a whole lot more complicated than I'd imagined.

Plank and Einstein pointed out that total energy of a single photon was fixed, but they didn't say anything about how it might be structured.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#451103

On 10/03/2017 8:42 AM, doh@yipee.com wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>
>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>
> The universe is analog. Man invented digital.
>

Neurons either fire or they don't - there's no analog in-between.

Sylvia.

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#451105

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message 
news:eief38F309mU1@mid.individual.net...
> Neurons either fire or they don't - there's no analog in-between.
>

Yeah, but single ones rarely have any useful power; it's like a single 
poster yelling at The Internet.

That said, I imagine there are a few neurons with unusually high 
"responsibility" for certain tasks, like actions in the motor cortex.  That 
would be a reasonable explanation for why I sometimes get some random tic or 
twitch when I sleep wrong (usually oversleep, and usually a facial muscle 
like the eyelid or something).

Also, action potentials sometimes go off half-assed.  I don't know if that 
also half-asses the response that subsequent neurons have to the pulse, or 
if it only needs to exceed a modest threshold to be useful.  Anyway, there's 
some analog action in there, too; it's all just differential equations 
arising from chemical concentrations in solution.

Over a human time scale (fractional seconds, rather than milliseconds), it's 
only meaningful to average over the ensemble, in which case a trillion 
neurons ticking away looks reasonably continuous for hand-waving's sake. 
*shrug*

Tim

-- 
Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com 

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#451115

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:50:32 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

>On 10/03/2017 8:42 AM, doh@yipee.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:11:04 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Brat is in the UC Berkeley MBA program, and one of her profs took
>>> his entire class to dinner at Chez Panisse, which ran about $200 per.
>>> He was asking about our company, and was surprised that anyone still
>>> does analog electronics. "Isn't everything digital now?" He's not
>>> being a jerk, he's seriously wondering why anything is analog.
>>>
>>> So, I'm going to write him a little essay on "why analog?" Who knows,
>>> maybe he'll take me to Chez Panisse.
>>
>> The universe is analog. Man invented digital.
>>
>
>Neurons either fire or they don't - there's no analog in-between.

I don't think neurons are that dumb. Even a single-cell critter can
have complex behavior; a neuron can too.

Could be that "firing" is a tiny part of what's going on. Firing may
not even be the main function of a neuron; it's just easy to observe.

Yeast cells don't fire, but they can make beer.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#451246

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in message 
news:3374cchhi1d2nmhg0bjotp905102f1lkts@4ax.com...
> Yeast cells don't fire, but they can make beer.

Oxidizing ethylene gas over a catalyst can't make beer, but it'll get you 
hammered.  And it's even dumber.

Ethanol exists in interstellar space, where we can be, well, somewhat 
certain that nothing is alive there.  (But it would be quite the interesting 
revelation, if the ethanol turned out to be, say, the spirituous emanation 
of a sentient being. *hic*)

Tim

-- 
Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com 

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