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  Audiphoolery jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 05:22 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-04 20:02 +0530
      Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-04 16:03 +0000
        Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:59 -0800
          Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-04 23:45 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 16:33 -0800
              Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:05 +0000
                Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-05 07:42 -0800
                  Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 17:23 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:06 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-06 09:54 +0100
                Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:36 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-05 02:17 +0530
          Re: Audiphoolery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 13:53 -0700
      Re: Audiphoolery Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.com> - 2017-02-05 01:53 +0530
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 16:07 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-04 21:19 -0500
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 23:55 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 00:03 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:08 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:21 -0500
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:07 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 14:16 -0600
          Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:42 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 12:52 -0800
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 15:59 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 13:29 -0800
            Re: Audiphoolery Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-05 16:04 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 16:57 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:04 -0500
                  Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-05 14:12 -0800
                    Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 17:28 -0500
                      Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-05 14:36 -0800
                        Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:20 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:28 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 07:22 -0800
            Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:25 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 18:37 -0600
                Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 19:45 -0500
                  Re: Audiphoolery amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-05 20:29 -0600
                    Re: Audiphoolery krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-05 21:52 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:41 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 00:48 -0500
            Re: Audiphoolery Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-06 11:27 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 13:45 -0500
                Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 13:02 -0800
                  Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:18 -0500
                    Re: Audiphoolery "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-02-06 16:52 -0800
                      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 20:31 -0500
                      Re: Audiphoolery Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 03:38 +0000
                    Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-07 11:06 -0800
                      Re: Audiphoolery dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-02-07 11:36 -0800
                        Re: Audiphoolery Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-07 12:43 -0800
                          Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-07 13:54 -0800
                            Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-02-07 17:30 -0600
                          Re: Audiphoolery Chris <c@b.a> - 2017-02-08 14:56 +1100
                Re: Audiphoolery Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-07 23:13 +0000
    Re: Audiphoolery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:13 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2017-02-04 14:11 -0600
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-04 16:03 -0500
        Re: Audiphoolery Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2017-02-04 18:01 -0600
          Re: Audiphoolery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:10 +0000
            Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-05 12:38 -0500
              Re: Audiphoolery tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 11:32 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-02-04 20:52 -0600
    Re: Audiphoolery Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:17 -0800
    Re: Audiphoolery upsidedown@downunder.com - 2017-02-05 12:22 +0200
    Re: Audiphoolery Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-06 20:13 +0000
      Re: Audiphoolery bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-06 18:30 -0500

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#446184

bitrex wrote:


> 
> Hmm. Ugg see pretty girl. Pretty girl in audiophile magazine next to
> $6800 power cable. Hmm! Maybe if Ugg buy power cable, Ugg have pretty
> girl, too.
> 
> I'm pretty sure audiophoolery must be some kind of psycho-sexual thing,
> or unresolved Mommy issues. It's really the only thing that makes sense
> in explaining the madness
Oh, I'm sure some psychiatrists could have a field day trying to figure out 
what is going on with that crowd.  but, after a few weeks talking to them, 
they'd have the doc going to sound system auditions with them and discussing 
the finer points of running pure silver bus bars down the middle of your 
living room elevated 4" off the floor with crystal pyramids.

You need to have a little grounding in physics to realize it is all smoke 
and mirrors.

Jon

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#446274

On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:01:25 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:

> You need to have a little grounding in physics to realize it is all
> smoke and mirrors.

Only suitable for callow kids, this junk. Once you get to a certain age, 
your ears are fucked anyway so it doesn't matter how much you spend.

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#446301

On 02/05/2017 10:10 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:01:25 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> You need to have a little grounding in physics to realize it is all
>> smoke and mirrors.
>
> Only suitable for callow kids, this junk. Once you get to a certain age,
> your ears are fucked anyway so it doesn't matter how much you spend.
>

It doesn't require much grounding in physics to realize that as the 
juice just went through 238 miles of bird-shit encrusted aluminum cable 
to get from the plant to your home, the 6 feet of IEC cable probably 
isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.

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#446319

On Sunday, 5 February 2017 17:38:31 UTC, bitrex  wrote:
> On 02/05/2017 10:10 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> > On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:01:25 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
> >
> >> You need to have a little grounding in physics to realize it is all
> >> smoke and mirrors.
> >
> > Only suitable for callow kids, this junk. Once you get to a certain age,
> > your ears are fucked anyway so it doesn't matter how much you spend.
> >
> 
> It doesn't require much grounding in physics to realize that as the 
> juice just went through 238 miles of bird-shit encrusted aluminum cable 
> to get from the plant to your home, the 6 feet of IEC cable probably 
> isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.

Heathen!


NT :)

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#446212

On 2/4/2017 7:22 AM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
>
> So I get into this argument about DC causing hum in transformers. We all know you cannot hear DC. What you are hearing is whatever funked up harmonic "glitch" into your nice AC sine wave. THAT is what you hear.
>
> And they seem to allude to the fact that toroids are worse with that. Well now, if we can just agree that you are not hearing DC, and now you claim that this 137 mA or whatever is causing this buzz you are wrong. It is that glitch in the sine wave doing it. And after Phil over here telling us literally that some of these toroids are made out of scrap metal, I guess I see why, but you still are not hearing the DC and small amounts are, well small.
>
> So then I get to this actually tactfully insulting type chap, and didn't quite have the tact. Fukum.
>
> And yes I saw their references. I saw alot of other things.
>
> Among them is what, if there was an award like a Darwin for audiophoolery I would nominate this -
>
> The Triphazer.
>
> Doesn't say what it does, just customer reviews, some of them saying it sounded like their amp had unlimited power. No batteries, just banana jacks in and out.
>
> Now folks who think I am unfair, GFY...
>
> I will say this. IF they have a coil input pi filter, this not only can take everything out of 20 KHz completely out. With the coil input it then unloads the amp from the current needed to drive the tweeters with distortion and whatever. Cutting off the harmonics, maybe it made the distortion more tolerable as they tapped into that "unlimited power".
>
> Without batteries, being only slightly larger in width than the banana connector set, there seriously can't be much on there. A nuclear reactor or some shit ? If you can design that I got a job for you in Russia. In fact, anywhere you want...
>
> They give a 90 day warranty which is actually a trial period. I do not know their return policy. Look it up. I was having a hard time getting a price on them, so I gave up. If you don't tell me what it costs, I am not buying it. Even Donald Trump would not do that shit.
>
> The place deserves no quarter, if there are claims you increase power you need to give a rating.
>
> I try to understand those people and really I understand some of what they say, and agree. for example, the cables between your turntable and preamp. There is an optimum pF load for those cartridges and that causes a resonance in the higher frequencies that is chosen by the manufacturer to give it their "sound" or whatever. I know my good AT sounded quite a bit different on different stereos, and turntables. It went up to 30 KHz so I would assume it would need lower capacitance cables.
>
> I will capitulate all that. I know the difference between those little hair wire speakers cables and some beefy real wire. I have heard the difference in cables just out the bottom of the TT to an amp. But these people are ridiculous.
>
> First of all they are out there spending a King's ransom on some bullshit that does nothing but they think it does. Actually, if they got the money it is not so much worse than an art collector. But they are ridiculous.
>
> They are already spending $3,000 on a KIT for a single ended tri

ode mode 6BQ5 amp that puts out about a watt and a half a channel.
>
> Now that I think of it I think I want a piece of that market.
>

Years ago some outfit was selling a heavy brick to be installed on top of your 
power amp.
Their claim was that it would improve the bass, reduce distortion and improve 
sound definition. I'm wondering if here are other venues where this level of 
foolishness prevails? Is anyone in the market for gold plated pure silver 8ga 
litz wire. ;-)



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#446216

jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> So I get into this argument about DC causing hum in transformers.
> We all know you cannot hear DC. What you are hearing is whatever
> funked up harmonic "glitch" into your nice AC sine wave.
> THAT is what you hear. 
> 
> And they seem to allude to the fact that toroids are worse with that.
> Well now, if we can just agree that you are not hearing DC, and now
> you claim that this 137 mA or whatever is causing this buzz you are wrong.
>

** It is easy to demonstrate the effect of a DC offset on the AC supply.

Just fit a suitable diode in line with something that is resistive and draws a few amps - like a heater or hot air gun. The load current of the heater will reduce the voltage peaks on one polarity by a volt or so - creating an average offset of about 0.5V.

Most toroidal supply transformers powered from the same AC outlet will now hum audibly. Some regular types will do the same, long as in each case they have ratings of 200VA or more and are unloaded or only lightly loaded. 

If you can monitor the AC current being drawn by the transformer on a scope - you will see the waveform is large and very asymmetrical. 

In a bad case, the additional current in the primary approaches the maximum rated primary current for the transformer. 

This article give more detail and a simple fix for the problem.

http://sound.whsites.net/articles/xfmr-dc.htm


....    Phil 







 




Audible hum from AC supply transformers 

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#446263

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 05:22:45 -0800 (PST), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

>
>I try to understand those people and really I understand some of what they say, and agree. for example, the cables between your turntable and preamp. There is an optimum pF load for those cartridges and that causes a resonance in the higher frequencies that is chosen by the manufacturer to give it their "sound" or whatever. I know my good AT sounded quite a bit different on different stereos, and turntables. It went up to 30 KHz so I would assume it would need lower capacitance cables. 

The issue of interfacing the pick-up to the turntable and to the
amplifier has been known for decades.

The QUAD QC 22 preamplifier introduced in 1959 had a tube socket like
connector in the back, intended for plugging in a passive phono
module, consisting of resistors and capacitors, it was intended for
trimming the load capacitance as well as fine tuning the RIAA
equalizer. There were different modules for different cartridges, so
if you had to swap the cartridge, you could also swap the equalizer
module on QUAD 22..


BTW, ask any audiophool if they have ever been in a symphony orchestra
concert and where they were seated :-)

Have a brandy during the intermission and the rest of the performance
sounds even better :-) . You can also buy a lot concert tickets and
brandy for the price of audiophool products.

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#446451

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
> Boy I have had enough of that for a while. 

I like it. Puts lots of money from people who can afford it into the pockets
of (typically) small shops.

robert

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#446502

On 02/06/2017 03:13 PM, Robert Latest wrote:
> jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>> Boy I have had enough of that for a while.
>
> I like it. Puts lots of money from people who can afford it into the pockets
> of (typically) small shops.
>
> robert
>

I think taking advantage of the mentally ill would be a violation of 
ethical business practices.

Even the rich mentally ill.

You might gain $6800 selling a botique IEC cable, but you will have 
certainly sold your soul. ;-)

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