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  OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-22 00:25 +0000
    OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-21 18:31 -0700
      OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-21 18:37 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 04:45 -0700
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-22 10:53 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 09:48 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-22 10:18 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 10:38 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:35 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:07 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:26 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-10-24 16:21 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-25 17:46 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-25 20:04 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:41 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:34 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 06:53 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 11:10 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 22:04 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 18:47 -0700
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 13:05 -0700
                            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-29 22:29 +0000
                              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-29 18:34 -0700
                                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 14:23 +0000
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2016-10-30 17:25 +0100
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:09 -0700
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 20:58 +0000
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 14:38 -0700
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-31 00:15 +0000
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:32 +0000
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:16 -0700
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:01 -0700
                              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 12:41 +0000
                                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 07:33 -0700
                            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-29 18:27 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 17:56 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 17:52 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 18:26 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-10-30 17:50 -0800
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-11-09 14:00 -0800
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-09 17:54 -0500
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-09 20:02 -0800
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-11-10 17:28 -0800
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-10 18:14 -0800
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 23:51 -0800
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-11 05:42 -0800
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-11-11 21:51 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-11 14:51 -0800
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 19:15 +0100
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-22 11:23 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-22 21:34 -0400
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 09:38 +0100
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-23 11:34 -0400
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 21:46 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:24 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:47 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 18:06 +0000
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 11:14 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 21:47 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 18:53 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:10 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2016-10-22 21:42 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2016-10-22 20:56 -0500
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 09:39 +0100
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:00 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-23 11:26 +0200
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-23 07:36 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-24 20:08 +0200
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-24 21:59 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:41 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-24 19:05 -0400
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-25 18:00 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-25 19:13 +0100
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 14:25 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-25 19:43 -0400
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-26 02:16 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-26 07:11 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-25 21:14 +0200
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-25 19:46 -0400
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-26 19:52 +0200
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-26 19:43 -0400
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-26 18:27 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-27 19:40 +0200
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:28 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2016-10-30 21:01 -0400
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-31 12:52 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2016-10-31 23:49 -0400
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-30 10:21 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 04:53 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 14:47 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:34 +0000
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 11:45 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 19:59 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:39 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:29 -0700
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-21 20:48 -0800
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 00:38 -0400
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-10-22 08:25 +0000
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-22 13:13 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-22 11:10 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-22 20:44 -0400
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 18:22 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:52 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-23 08:08 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:24 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-23 20:40 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-24 10:18 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:48 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-23 10:57 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 17:59 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-23 11:02 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:30 -0700
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 10:18 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-22 11:12 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-22 21:05 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-25 20:12 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2016-10-26 17:48 +0200
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 17:06 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 20:19 -0700
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-22 12:53 +0200

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#432897

>"Yup, and even Michael Moore concedes this point in this >heartwarming
>short clip: "

Well I wouldn't quite call it heartwarming but I did appreciate the multiple droppings of the Fbomb. Voting for Trump is a big fuck you to the established parties who have ru the best government money can buy. 

Someone like Slowman doesn't understand it. He might come around when his Wife loses her job to an immigrant who will work for half the money. But Australia doesn't have open borders so that is less likely. But he thinks the US should have open borders or else we're racist. 

Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right. People in the US are tired of losing the shit they worked for. You know now I just thought of another thing, the banks won't loan him money. If that is true I doubt they contributed much to his campaign. Look for new regulations on the banks that will make it alot harder to implement another scam like they did in 2008. 

All the big money hates him, the Rothschilds/Jews/AIPAC, most lobbyists, both political parties. What foregners do not understand is that is a terrific appeal to people in the US. People are losing their jobs and houses, even cars. That is not happening in Australia so the people there can think we need to be more liberal. Give up the guns, take it more refugees and immigrants and expand that safety net which is welfare for people who do nothing, and will never do anything but pump out babies to create a new welfare generation. 

There are about five people on discussion boards, Slowman among them, who have never been here, never worked here, never bought a loaf of fucking bread here who think they know what is best for us. And if we disagree with these supposedly superior beings we are stupid, demented or heavens forbid - racist. 

Well I want to see them take ALL the Muslim refugees. And when they do that I got two recommendations. Tollyboy and Neosteel, chastity belt manufacturers. Might be a couple thousand each but otherwise you have a half Black or half Muslim grandkid if you have a daughter over eight years old. And the courts will let the rapist off like in England because he was taught that Women are property and you can just grab one anytime or whatever. Same with Africans, some of them think fucking a virgin will cure AIDS, so they are raping infants because that is how young you have to go there to find a virgin. 

And Slowman wants such people in his country. 

Meantime, everyone with money here and many places, move to White neighborhoods. Even Blacks move to White neighborhoods if they can afford it. Why do you suppose that is ? 

I don't want anyone coming here. We already got enough people. The liberals see immigrants as voters, just let them become citizens and they can vote for me ! They like the increase in crime and the increased budget for it. They want to create victims of crime to gain popular support for more money for fighting crime, which is actually a ruse, they want that money to protect themselves, not you. 

I don't killfile anyone, or put them on ignore or hide on any forum. I will not respond directly to Slowman but I might as well see his ultrasickening liberal drivel but to respond is distasteful to me. I just want to see what the White niggers are saying so I am ready for a real argument with a real human being with a real brain who has had real life experience.  

This world is full of a bunch of sickening motherfuckers.

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#432909

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

> Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right. 

Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right about. 
After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and barefaced lies. He 
even said the British that voted out of the EC regretted it and wanted 
back in! You couldn't make this shit up - but _he_ did!!!
Seriously the guy is just a lying fucking *asshole.*

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#432928

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:29:41 AM UTC+11, Julian Barnes wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> 
> > Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right. 
> 
> Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right about. 
> After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and barefaced lies. He 
> even said the British that voted out of the EC regretted it and wanted 
> back in!

The pro-Brexit vote was won on a narrow majority. Quite a few Brits are horrified by the potential consequences. The Brits that voted for exit don't seem to have thought about them. 

> You couldn't make this shit up - but _he_ did!!!
> Seriously the guy is just a lying fucking *asshole.*

As if Julian Barnes was anything else. Michael Moore is quite a lot of things, but he doesn't lie, nor need to lie. He can be selective about the truths he present, but that's art - you've got to edit your documents down to a length that matches the attention span of the potential audience. Julian Barnes does favour shorter sound bites.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432969

On 30/10/2016 01:34, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:29:41 AM UTC+11, Julian Barnes
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right.
>>
>> Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right
>> about. After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and
>> barefaced lies. He even said the British that voted out of the EC
>> regretted it and wanted back in!
>
> The pro-Brexit vote was won on a narrow majority. Quite a few Brits
> are horrified by the potential consequences. The Brits that voted for
> exit don't seem to have thought about them.

I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for the 
past 10 years to understand that.

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#432981

Mike Perkins schrieb:
> On 30/10/2016 01:34, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

[...]
>> The pro-Brexit vote was won on a narrow majority. Quite a few Brits
>> are horrified by the potential consequences. The Brits that voted for
>> exit don't seem to have thought about them.
> 
> I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for
> the past 10 years to understand that.

So all of those European countries which want to become EU members
are blind? Since Brexit the GB Pound has lost a considerable part of
its value, and a lot of international operating companies are going
to leave the UK ...

Best regards

Reinhard

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#432998

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:25:18 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:

> So all of those European countries which want to become EU members are
> blind? 

No, they just want the free hand-out for signing-up!

> Since Brexit the GB Pound has lost a considerable part of its
> value, and a lot of international operating companies are going to leave
> the UK ...

Oh pur-lease....
The Pound's dropped meaningfully against the Dollar (in particular) as 
well as the Euro, but this is merely a manifestation of revenge by the 
usual suspects who do exactly the same thing to punish the bond markets 
and have since God knows when. The trade-weighted purchasing power of the 
Pound will come back into equilibrium in due course, you'll see. In the 
mean time, since *all* the major economies are trying to weaken their 
currencies to gain a competitive advantage in their export markets, they 
can only look on in envy. BTW latest projections from independent 
forecasters show the UK economy enjoying a rosier future than has been 
the case for a dozen years or more, the best of the G7 in fact, - all 
thanks to that currency depreciation (thank you, George Soros you're 
finally useful for something at last!). :-)
And as for the companies who promised to leave I do wish they'd hurry up 
and get on with it - especially the international banks!

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#433098

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:28:14 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:25:18 +0100, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
> 
> > So all of those European countries which want to become EU members are
> > blind? 
> 
> No, they just want the free hand-out for signing-up!
> 
> > Since Brexit the GB Pound has lost a considerable part of its
> > value, and a lot of international operating companies are going to leave
> > the UK ...
> 
> Oh pur-lease....
> The Pound's dropped meaningfully against the Dollar (in particular) as 
> well as the Euro, but this is merely a manifestation of revenge by the 
> usual suspects who do exactly the same thing to punish the bond markets 
> and have since God knows when. The trade-weighted purchasing power of the 
> Pound will come back into equilibrium in due course, you'll see.

Feckless optimism.

> In the mean time, since *all* the major economies are trying to weaken their 
> currencies to gain a competitive advantage in their export markets, they 
> can only look on in envy.

Most of the major economies have stuff to export. The UK lives off tourism. 

> BTW latest projections from independent 
> forecasters show the UK economy enjoying a rosier future than has been 
> the case for a dozen years or more, the best of the G7 in fact, - all 
> thanks to that currency depreciation (thank you, George Soros you're 
> finally useful for something at last!). :-)

"Independent forecasters" need customers to pay their bills. They aren't anything like as "independent" as you like to think.

> And as for the companies who promised to leave I do wish they'd hurry up 
> and get on with it - especially the international banks!
 
I'm sure that you will get your wish, if Britain's politicians don't find some face-saving way of not dong what they were told to (which is the usual conssequence of quit-EU referenda).

Remember the Danish "no" vote, and "If you can't join them, beat them"?

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#433037

On 30/10/2016 16:25, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
> Mike Perkins schrieb:
>> On 30/10/2016 01:34, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> The pro-Brexit vote was won on a narrow majority. Quite a few Brits
>>> are horrified by the potential consequences. The Brits that voted for
>>> exit don't seem to have thought about them.
>>
>> I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for
>> the past 10 years to understand that.
>
> So all of those European countries which want to become EU members
> are blind? Since Brexit the GB Pound has lost a considerable part of
> its value, and a lot of international operating companies are going
> to leave the UK ...

I never said "all of those European countries which want to become EU 
members are blind".

The UK, probably from being English speaking, has suffered 3m+ 
immigrants in the past 10 years with little or no additional 
infrastructure to match. There is now a shortage of housing, schools and 
medical personnel and with no or negligible improvements in transport 
infrastructure.

Other countries are unhappy with the way the EU works with various far 
right parties in the EU gaining popular support.

If anyone is blind, it is those who don't appreciate *why* Brexit was 
supported by the majority.

Anyway this is a sci.electronics.design newsgroup and best it stays that 
way. I won't be posting again on this thread.

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#433046

>"If anyone is blind, it is those who don't appreciate *why* >Brexit was
>supported by the majority. "

They are the same type of idiots who think the US civil war was about slavery only. They have no idea what the government was doing at the time to change the economy, and also to hurt old money. 

>"Anyway this is a sci.electronics.design newsgroup and best >it stays that
>way. I won't be posting again on this thread. "

Damn shame. I like hearing from someone who has some real skills and doesn't want their hard earned money going to support niggers of every color. 

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#433073

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:58:16 +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:

> Anyway this is a sci.electronics.design newsgroup and best it stays that
> way. I won't be posting again on this thread.

Oh please do! Its refreshing to hear from someone who has their head 
screwed on straight for a change. We got too many left-wing trolls on 
here so a balance correction is sorely needed! Welcome aboard. ;-)

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#433001

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:23:40 +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:

> I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for the
> past 10 years to understand that.

Sloman (our long-serving resident troll) imagines he can look inside the 
mind of the Brexit voters and somehow work out what their motivations 
were. The only problem here is he can't. No one can. I live here and I 
can tell you *no one* is "horrified" by the consequences; it doesn't even 
feature in casual, passing pub-talk any more. We're all *far* more 
interested in the US elections right now. ;->

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#433099

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:32:31 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:23:40 +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:
> 
> > I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for the
> > past 10 years to understand that.
> 
> Sloman (our long-serving resident troll) imagines he can look inside the 
> mind of the Brexit voters and somehow work out what their motivations 
> were. The only problem here is he can't. No one can. 

Opinions differ on that. Yours isn't worth much - the bits that don't come from the Daily Express are devalued by the fact that you take the Daily Express seriously.

> I live here and I  can tell you *no one* is "horrified" by the consequences; > it doesn't even feature in casual, passing pub-talk any more. We're all  
> *far* more interested in the US elections right now. ;->

True. If the US electorate chooses Trump, they may well wreck the country. The Brexit vote was merely an instruction to wreck the UK economy (or what Thatcher had left of it) and UK politicians are correctly perceived unlikely to do more than pay lip service to the instruction. 

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#433095

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 1:23:44 AM UTC+11, Mike Perkins wrote:
> On 30/10/2016 01:34, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:29:41 AM UTC+11, Julian Barnes
> > wrote:
> >> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right
> >> about. After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and
> >> barefaced lies. He even said the British that voted out of the EC
> >> regretted it and wanted back in!
> >
> > The pro-Brexit vote was won on a narrow majority. Quite a few Brits
> > are horrified by the potential consequences. The Brits that voted for
> > exit don't seem to have thought about them.
> 
> I think you have to look at the consequences of being in the EU for the 
> past 10 years to understand that.

I think you have to look at what Margaret Thatcher did to British industry first. The EU did what it could to undo the damage, but Thatcher took over a badly run country, and ran it even worse than it had been run before for 14 straight years. I was there for all of them. Major was still in power when we left.

Blaming the EU for the mess suited Boris Johnson - he always was a Thatcher fan, with a remarkably weak grasp of reality.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432966

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:29:13 +0000, Julian Barnes wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> 
>> Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right.
> 
> Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right about.
> After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and barefaced lies. He
> even said the British that voted out of the EC regretted it and wanted
> back in! You couldn't make this shit up - but _he_ did!!!
> Seriously the guy is just a lying fucking *asshole.*

I hadn't viewed the quote before in its entirety TBH, but you're right. 
He goes on to make totally false claims about the British instantly 
regretting their decision and how they now want back into the EU but the 
EU won't have it. This is complete nonsense. A poll carried out by the 
Mail a few days ago showed the margin in favour of leaving the EU was 
virtually identical to before the referendum; might even have been a 
point or so higher in fact IIRC. 
Moore spews out these made-up claims and his credulous audience lap up 
every word, it seems, without question. :(

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#432971

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:41:29 PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:29:13 +0000, Julian Barnes wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:05:14 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> > 
> >> Michael Moore is a fatass blowhard, but on this he is right.
> > 
> > Yeah, but that is the only bit of the complete speech he is right about.
> > After that he goes back to the same old bullshit and barefaced lies. He
> > even said the British that voted out of the EC regretted it and wanted
> > back in! You couldn't make this shit up - but _he_ did!!!
> > Seriously the guy is just a lying fucking *asshole.*
> 
> I hadn't viewed the quote before in its entirety TBH, but you're right. 
> He goes on to make totally false claims about the British instantly 
> regretting their decision and how they now want back into the EU but the 
> EU won't have it. This is complete nonsense. A poll carried out by the 
> Mail a few days ago showed the margin in favour of leaving the EU was 
> virtually identical to before the referendum; might even have been a 
> point or so higher in fact IIRC. 

The Daily Mail knows how to get the poll results it wants. It doesn't even have to lie to the voting public, as the campaigners for Brexit did - you just ask the right questions in the right order, and the answers are predictable.

> Moore spews out these made-up claims and his credulous audience lap up 
> every word, it seems, without question. :(

Cursitor Doom is an even more credulous member of a different audience - the one that takes the Daily Mail (and the Daily Express) seriously.

He even believes the pro-Trump nonsense that Julian Barnes posts here - not that Julian Barnes posts anything except pro-Trump nonsense, as he does seem to be a zombie propaganda-spreading engine.

If Julian Barnes was a typical right-wing nitwit, he'd also be posting other kinds of nonsense, perhaps about anthropogenic global warming being a hoax, but he's got just one obsession, and we can expect him to vanish as soon as the election is over.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432926

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 7:05:54 AM UTC+11, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >"Yup, and even Michael Moore concedes this point in this >heartwarming
> >short clip: "
> 
> Well I wouldn't quite call it heartwarming but I did appreciate the multiple droppings of the Fbomb. Voting for Trump is a big fuck you to the established parties who have ru the best government money can buy.

Sadly for that theory, Trump is exactly the kind of establishment figure who is into buying as much influence as he can. His self-depiciton as "anti-establishment" is extremely comical. 
 
> Someone like Sloman doesn't understand it.

Sadly, you are the kind of ill-informed voter who can be sold that particular bill of goods. I do know a great deal more than you do - which isn't claiming all that much - and I can see the fraud for what it is.

> He might come around when his wife loses her job to an immigrant who will work for half the money. But Australia doesn't have open borders so that is less likely. But he thinks the US should have open borders or else we're racist.

Neither Australia or the US has open borders, at least in theory. The US has land borders, and a lot of rich employers who like immigrant workers because they will work for lower wages, and bribe the low end of the immigration control administration to ignore their immigrant workers. Trump is probably one of them - big hotels need lots of maids.
 
<snip>

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432857

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 5:11:27 AM UTC+11, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >"I never would've thought I'd *ever* say this to anyone >concerning our
> >populist candidate, but I think Trump's just talking over >your head. "
> 
> Now that's a harsh statement. True, but harsh.

It would be harsh, if it were remotely plausible. Trump can't say the same thing from one outing to the next, so he isn't talking over anybody's head - except perhaps somebody with advanced Alzheimers, who can't remember enough to realise that Trump contradicts himself, despite the media's enthusiasm for documenting these frequent events.

<snip>

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432856

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:53:56 AM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 8:34:59 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 10:41:19 PM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 7:21:43 PM UTC-4, Bill Bowden wrote:
> > > > <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> > > 
> > > > > She's the weakest candidate imaginable.  Anyone could beat her.  Except
> > > > > maybe her opponent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > James Arthur
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > It's not over until the fat lady sings. The LA Times put Trump one point 
> > > > ahead a few days ago.
> > > 
> > > I think Trump will out-perform his polling.
> > 
> > I imagine that you do. The problem is that there are people who are silly enough to vote for Trump, but not quite silly enough to admit it.
> >  
> > > Did you hear Trump's Gettsyburg speech?  I'm not a Trump fan, but I have to
> > > admit it was excellent.
> > 
> > The Australian media noted that he'd he'd tried to play the Lincoln card, but didn't think that it had gone all that well.
> > 
> > http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/in-gettysburg-lincoln-sought-to-unify-trump-moaned-a-totally-rigged-election-20161022-gs8h5o.html
> 
> Zero heed to his policy statements (mostly excellent), and instead
> focus on made-up controversy.

If you pick through enough of Trump's policy statements I'm sure that you could find a few that you liked. He'll have contradicted all of them sometime or other, but you know how to ignore stuff that doesn't suite your narrative.

> Typical.

The Sydney Morning Herald is actually tolerably right wing, as Australian newspapers go - not as right wing as the papers owned by Rupert Murdoch, but conservative by Australian standards - but nowhere near right-wing enough to see Trump as anything but a posturing buffoon.
  
> > If you actually liked it you may need to check yourself into the nearest Alzheimer's clinic.
> 
> Uniting the country, repatriating overseas cash, liberalizing schools--
> these and more are all very good, sound, practical, achievable ideas.

Go straight to the Alzheimers clinic, as soon as you can get somebody to drive you there. You forgot to mention the wall on the Mexican border, to be paid for by Mexico, and that kind of lapse looks diagnostic.
 
> I never would've thought I'd *ever* say this to anyone concerning our
> populist candidate, but I think Trump's just talking over your head.
> 
> Whooosh.

Bizarre. James Arthur used to have a brain in his head. Trump can't tell the same story from one outing to the next, and he's talking over anybody's head?

I suppose one could try and imagine some over-arching strategy of an awesome complexity so that each of Trump's statements illustrated a different facet, but the fact that he explicitly contradicts himself from time to time - as those parallel talking heads which show up on TV from time to time make clear - rather subverts that hypothesis.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432823

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 04:41:15 -0700, dagmargoodboat wrote:

> I think Trump will out-perform his polling.

That would not be hard, since almost all the polls are heavily biased in 
favor of Hitlary.

> Did you hear Trump's Gettsyburg speech?  I'm not a Trump fan, but I have
> to admit it was excellent.

Inspiring is the only word for it! "The New Gettysburg Address" is how I 
for one will remember it.

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#433090

<dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:732843d1-89e9-45fc-80b2-845522ea9559@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 7:21:43 PM UTC-4, Bill Bowden wrote:
>> <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> > She's the weakest candidate imaginable.  Anyone could beat her.  Except
>> > maybe her opponent.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > James Arthur
>>
>>
>> It's not over until the fat lady sings. The LA Times put Trump one point
>> ahead a few days ago.
>
> I think Trump will out-perform his polling.
>
> Did you hear Trump's Gettsyburg speech?  I'm not a Trump fan, but I have 
> to
> admit it was excellent.
>
> Cheers,
> James

No, I didn't hear it but most of his speeches are pretty good. The polling 
should be fairly accurate this week since they want to look good and 
maintain credibility this close to the election. Early polling can be 
"oversampled" to favor Hillary, but not in the final days. Comey may be 
looking for a new job if Hillary wins.

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