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  OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-22 00:25 +0000
    OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-21 18:31 -0700
      OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-21 18:37 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 04:45 -0700
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-22 10:53 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 09:48 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-22 10:18 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 10:38 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:35 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:07 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:26 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-10-24 16:21 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-25 17:46 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-25 20:04 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:41 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:34 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 06:53 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 11:10 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 22:04 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 18:47 -0700
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 13:05 -0700
                            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-29 22:29 +0000
                              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-29 18:34 -0700
                                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 14:23 +0000
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2016-10-30 17:25 +0100
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:09 -0700
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 20:58 +0000
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 14:38 -0700
                                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-31 00:15 +0000
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:32 +0000
                                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:16 -0700
                                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:01 -0700
                              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 12:41 +0000
                                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 07:33 -0700
                            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-29 18:27 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 17:56 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 17:52 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 18:26 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-10-30 17:50 -0800
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-11-09 14:00 -0800
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-09 17:54 -0500
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-09 20:02 -0800
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2016-11-10 17:28 -0800
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-10 18:14 -0800
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 23:51 -0800
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-11 05:42 -0800
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-11-11 21:51 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-11 14:51 -0800
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-22 19:15 +0100
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany blocher@columbus.rr.com - 2016-10-22 11:23 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-22 21:34 -0400
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 09:38 +0100
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-23 11:34 -0400
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany "John Miles, KE5FX" <jmiles@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 21:46 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:24 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 05:47 -0700
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 18:06 +0000
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 11:14 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-28 21:47 +0000
                          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-28 18:53 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:10 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2016-10-22 21:42 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2016-10-22 20:56 -0500
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-23 09:39 +0100
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:00 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-23 11:26 +0200
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-23 07:36 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-24 20:08 +0200
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-10-24 21:59 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:41 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-24 19:05 -0400
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-25 18:00 +0000
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-10-25 19:13 +0100
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 14:25 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-25 19:43 -0400
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-26 02:16 -0700
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-26 07:11 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-25 21:14 +0200
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-25 19:46 -0400
                    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-26 19:52 +0200
                      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-26 19:43 -0400
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-26 18:27 -0700
                        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-27 19:40 +0200
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:28 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2016-10-30 21:01 -0400
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-31 12:52 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2016-10-31 23:49 -0400
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-30 10:21 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 04:53 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> - 2016-10-30 14:47 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 17:34 +0000
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 11:45 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-30 19:59 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:39 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-30 19:29 -0700
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-21 20:48 -0800
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 00:38 -0400
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-10-22 08:25 +0000
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-22 13:13 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-22 11:10 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-22 20:44 -0400
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 18:22 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 19:52 -0700
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-23 08:08 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:24 +0000
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-23 20:40 -0700
                Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-24 10:18 -0700
                  Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-24 20:48 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-23 10:57 +0000
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 17:59 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Gunther Heiko Hagen <guntherxxx@quantserve.de> - 2016-10-23 11:02 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-28 04:30 -0700
      Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2016-10-22 10:18 -0700
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-22 11:12 -0700
          Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2016-10-22 21:05 +0000
            Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-25 20:12 -0700
              Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Reinhard Zwirner <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> - 2016-10-26 17:48 +0200
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 17:06 -0400
        Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-10-22 20:19 -0700
    Re: OT: A desperate cry for help from Germany habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2016-10-22 12:53 +0200

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#432590

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:14:23 +0200, habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr>
wrote:

>Le 25/10/2016 à 01:05, krw a écrit :
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:08:32 +0200, habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 23/10/2016 à 16:36, bill.sloman@ieee.org a écrit :
>>>> decent-sized cities
>>> Big cities on the Earth surface is an abomination.
>>
>> Sure, they should all be floating above the surface.
>>
>>> Habib.
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>
>I should never answer a jackass like you krw !

You're right.  Go away.

>pfff krw ! a shit pseudo !

Oh, that hurts *so* bad.  I think I'll cry.

>Go back to school and learn more about electronics instead of trying to 
>give us your shit opinions on what you never knows.

More proof of your idiocy.
>
>ass-hole
>
>PS : I will now wash my mouth you shity !

Please drown.  You'll be doing everyone a favor.

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#432652

Le 26/10/2016 à 01:46, krw a écrit :
> Please drown.  You'll be doing everyone a favor.
Surely not, I will not make you this pleasure. In contrary i will call 
you one more time, the last time ever, a jackass you are ... krw 
bwahahah ... krw ... really a shity surname as you are.

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#432672

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:52:03 +0200, habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr>
wrote:

>Le 26/10/2016 à 01:46, krw a écrit :
>> Please drown.  You'll be doing everyone a favor.
>Surely not, I will not make you this pleasure. In contrary i will call 
>you one more time, the last time ever, a jackass you are ... krw 
>bwahahah ... krw ... really a shity surname as you are.

Only you would be dumb enough to think that my initials is my surname.
OK, you've proved that you're an idiot to everyone else, now, too. You
can leave.

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#432692

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 10:45:51 AM UTC+11, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:52:03 +0200, habib <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr>
> wrote:
> 
> >Le 26/10/2016 à 01:46, krw a écrit :
> >> Please drown.  You'll be doing everyone a favor.
> >Surely not, I will not make you this pleasure. In contrary i will call 
> >you one more time, the last time ever, a jackass you are ... krw 
> >bwahahah ... krw ... really a shity surname as you are.
> 
> Only you would be dumb enough to think that my initials is my surname.
> OK, you've proved that you're an idiot to everyone else, now, too. You
> can leave.

Krw are just his initials. The name itself is unremarkable, apart from being attached to a particularly cognitively challenged jackass, who thinks that everything he thinks he knows is absolutely correct, and is totally incapable of recognising that some of it isn't.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432724

Le 27/10/2016 à 01:43, krw a écrit :
> Only you would be dumb enough to think that my initials is my surname.

Unable to remember your own initial surname ... !? Are you stupid much 
more than a jackass ? I'm afraid so.

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#432492

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 5:08:36 AM UTC+11, habib wrote:
> Le 23/10/2016 à 16:36, bill.sloman@ieee.org a écrit :
> > decent-sized cities
> Big cities on the Earth surface is an abomination.

Read Freakonomics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics

If you want to do something high-tech, living in an area where there are lots of different people with a variety of different high-tech skills is really very handy.

Small cities can be that kind of core - Route 128 was built around Boston and MIT - but big cities accommodate a wider range of skill sets.

That's why people are prepared to pay higher rents to live in a big city.

Burying the city might make it less of an abomination, but I like my view out across Sydney Harbour, and most primates like being able to keep an eye on  their immediate environment.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#433082

On 10/22/2016 10:53 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 10/21/2016 09:31 PM, bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:
>> The west gave up jesus in their sophisticated brilliance.  They gave
>> up child bearing , and now others are filling the void.  They
>> destroyed their own institutions because of minor flaws and now they
>> get this.  Europe died in 1918.  Worst thing ever for humanity.
>>
> It's an old opinion of mine that our civilization ended in 1914.  Things
> seem to be proceeding on schedule. :(

That's the year Henry Ford decided to pay his workers $5/day for 5 
days/week and only 8 hours/day which made it possible for his factory 
workers to buy the products they made and have enough free time to use 
them.

-- 
Grizzly H.

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#433193

>"That's the year Henry Ford decided to pay his workers $5/day >for 5
>days/week and only 8 hours/day which made it possible for his >factory
>workers to buy the products they made and have enough free >time to use
>them. "

Yeah, and then the jew, oops Dodge brothers sued him because they thought they should get more dividends. And now, because that suit created case law, and publicly traded company must have things built in China if it results in more profits ad therefore dividends. (notice the word jew not capitalised, that means I am not referring to the people specifically, although they were, incidentally, of that lineage)

That lawsuit is what pushed many mid skill jobs out of this country and now we have a damnear permanent underclass of minimum wage workers. This effect is aided by the poor education system and other societal influences like bad Parenting and peer pressure to "keep it real" and to be cool. 

That is progress.

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#433256

On 10/31/2016 3:52 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>> "That's the year Henry Ford decided to pay his workers $5/day >for
>> 5 days/week and only 8 hours/day which made it possible for his
>> >factory workers to buy the products they made and have enough free
>> >time to use them. "
>
> Yeah, and then the jew, oops Dodge brothers sued him because they
> thought they should get more dividends. And now, because that suit
> created case law, and publicly traded company must have things built
> in China if it results in more profits ad therefore dividends.
> (notice the word jew not capitalised, that means I am not referring
> to the people specifically, although they were, incidentally, of that
> lineage)
>
> That lawsuit is what pushed many mid skill jobs out of this country
> and now we have a damnear permanent underclass of minimum wage
> workers. This effect is aided by the poor education system and other
> societal influences like bad Parenting and peer pressure to "keep it
> real" and to be cool.
>
> That is progress.
>

But the investors pay huge taxes and reinvest their money and that 
creates really amazing jobs and then everything becomes great again. 
Plus, the Dodges had more horsepower and sliding gear transmissions and 
they were very rugged so we were able to stop Pancho Villa from coming 
across the border and selling drugs and raping and being undocumented 
and making anchor babies.

So it all worked out in the end and the US became a very famous country 
with lots of freedoms.

-- 
Grizzly H.

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#432948

bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> They gave up child bearing , and now others are filling the void.

Fertility goes down when women get an education. Do you want to keep girls
away from school?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/

robert

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#432955

On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:22:03 PM UTC+11, Robert Latest wrote:
> bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > They gave up child bearing , and now others are filling the void.
> 
> Fertility goes down when women get an education. Do you want to keep girls
> away from school?
> 
> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/

More of the kids that are born survive to become adults if the mothers have been properly educated. There more going on than just an adjustment in fertility.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432972

On 30/10/2016 11:53, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:22:03 PM UTC+11, Robert Latest
> wrote:
>> bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:
>>> They gave up child bearing , and now others are filling the
>>> void.
>>
>> Fertility goes down when women get an education. Do you want to
>> keep girls away from school?
>>
>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/
>
>>
> More of the kids that are born survive to become adults if the
> mothers have been properly educated. There more going on than just an
> adjustment in fertility.

There is a wealth of evidence to show that education of women correlates 
well with the size of their families.

These days, that tends to take precedent over infant survivability.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality

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#433002

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:47:46 +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:
 
> There is a wealth of evidence to show that education of women correlates
> well with the size of their families.
> 
> These days, that tends to take precedent over infant survivability.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality

You seem to be new here so I'll give you a valuable tip: Sloman is 
notorious here for being totally impervious not just to reason, but to 
categorical evidence as well. You will *never* convince him to shift his 
opinions no matter what you post. Trust me on that.

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#433019

>"You will *never* convince him to shift his
>opinions no matter what you post. Trust me on that. "

That is of course based on his posts as nobody here has likely ever met another in person. But the experience in the US is that older means less liberal because we do eventually learn, at least some of us. What made this country so successful in the past ? First on the moon, first in quite a few things, and back a while back about the highest standard of living on the planet. What did that for us ? We were conservative. 

Taxation on the rich was high, in 1971 you paid ninety percent on everything over a hundred grand. Of course that was alot of money back then but the people who made that money felt quite compelled to invest it or spend it somehow on something to get a deduction. That stimulated the economy and even some personal charity. 

They had chaperones at school dances, visiting friends of the opposite sex you were not allowed in the bedroom. Many people worked their way through college. People paid cash for a new car. Now they put the fucking gasoline on a credit card that they have no hope of ever paying off. What we got now is what liberalism does for you. 

If Slowman is so smart, how come he is unemployed ? If he is so fucking good he should own his own business. But then liberals don't know math so I guess that's out. Every person I know who can actually produce something of value or add value is conservative. 

Then there are moderates that others (Slowman that is) would call ultraconservative. These are the people who do not want their tax dollars supporting people from other countries who will rape their daughters and raise radicalised children to go and shoot up our schools. We want to keep what we have - TO CONSERVE. Not just throw it away. that is what conservative is SUPPOSED to mean, not these asshole republicans with more of a war agenda than Hillary Clinton, who is NOT a democrat. She is simply allied with the party as a matter of convenience. Remember PUMA ? That was a short lived website of hers ad PUMA stands for "Party Unity My Ass". It was very short lived and it is hard to get any information on it now but I remember it and I am not making it up. 

As bad as Trump is, and yes I know in the past he supported the democrats, she is worse. 

In either case, if that's the best we can do we are fucked.

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#433027

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:45:27 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

> As bad as Trump is, and yes I know in the past he supported the
> democrats, she is worse.
> 
> In either case, if that's the best we can do we are fucked.

The *best* people aren't allowed within a million miles of the 
Presidency. The shadow government which comprises the likes of Soros and 
Kissinger - those who really run things from behind the scenes - want 
mere puppets who will sell their souls for money and prestige. People 
they can buy. The very last thing they want are independent thinkers who 
might actually make a positive difference; that's not in their interest. 
This is why Hillary, for all her terrible flaws, is still their preferred 
candidate.

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#433102

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 5:45:33 AM UTC+11, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >"You will *never* convince him to shift his
> >opinions no matter what you post. Trust me on that. "
> 
> That is of course based on his posts as nobody here has likely ever met another in person. But the experience in the US is that older means less liberal because we do eventually learn, at least some of us.

This was checked a few years ago, and what is actually going is that people aren't so much changing their political opinions as they get older, as that more young people have liberal ideas.

http://blogs.worldbank.org/europeandcentralasia/aging-societies-will-young-liberals-become-old-conservatives

The conservatives are comforting themselves with the idea that people are likely to switch to the conservative camp as they got older, but the evidence didn't entirely support that particular delusion.

<snip>

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#433100

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:34:31 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:47:46 +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:
>  
> > There is a wealth of evidence to show that education of women correlates
> > well with the size of their families.
> > 
> > These days, that tends to take precedent over infant survivability.
> >    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality
> 
> You seem to be new here so I'll give you a valuable tip: Sloman is 
> notorious here for being totally impervious not just to reason, but to 
> categorical evidence as well. You will *never* convince him to shift his 
> opinions no matter what you post. Trust me on that.

Since Cursitor Doom has never tried to persuade me with "catagorical evidence" of anything, his opinion isn't exactly trustworthy.

When he does post links to what he thinks is evidence, it's mostly to the Daily Express.

The link to infant mortality above is one that I posted, probably in another thread (since I can't find it in this one).

Quite why Mike Perkins thinks that it supports his point of view escapes me. It doesn't cover average family size, which is what Mike Perkins claims to be telling us about.

So Cursitor Doom can't even recognise the absence of categorical evidence when its right under his nose.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#432129

Julian Barnes wrote:
> A truly horrifying report on the disastrous consequences of mass
> immigration, posted at the request of the author....
>
> http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=16557
   Post that link in Twitter, and that letter on YouTube (for starters).

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#432132

On 10/21/2016 8:25 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
> A truly horrifying report on the disastrous consequences of mass
> immigration, posted at the request of the author....
>
> http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=16557
>

I didn't read beyond: "The present situation in Germany gives proof that 
some secret community has decided to eliminate Germany and it’s 
culture."  "Secret community" ... oh, yeah that's always the cause of 
the problem.

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#432147

On 2016-10-22, Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 10/21/2016 8:25 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
>> A truly horrifying report on the disastrous consequences of mass
>> immigration, posted at the request of the author....
>>
>> http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=16557
>>
>
> I didn't read beyond: "The present situation in Germany gives proof that 
> some secret community has decided to eliminate Germany and it’s 
> culture."  "Secret community" ... oh, yeah that's always the cause of 
> the problem.

That's where I stopped too.

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