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worldwide internet threat map

Started byTTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
First post2018-10-02 11:18 +0100
Last post2018-10-03 21:49 -0700
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  worldwide internet threat map TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 11:18 +0100
    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-02 07:07 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 08:45 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:22 +0000
          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-02 10:28 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 15:19 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 14:59 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:32 -0500
        Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 14:51 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-02 23:29 +0100
            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 17:58 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-02 18:08 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 19:09 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 19:17 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 21:17 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 23:25 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 01:00 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 03:21 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:37 -0700
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:26 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 05:42 -0700
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:40 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:07 +0100
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:44 -0500
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:27 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:50 -0700
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 11:38 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 12:11 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:03 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:14 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:47 +0100
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:40 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:48 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:32 +0100
                        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:07 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:44 +0100
                        Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:47 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:14 +0100
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:04 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:22 +0100
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:17 -0700
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:28 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:17 +0000
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:53 +0000
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:08 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 00:52 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 18:30 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-03 10:23 +0100
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:44 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 07:04 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 08:29 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:59 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-03 14:06 -0700
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Bert Hickman <bert-hickman@comcast.net> - 2018-10-03 17:20 -0500
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-04 00:07 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 12:53 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 10:20 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:36 -0400
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 20:12 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 20:26 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:53 +0100
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 11:04 -0400
                        Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:52 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:01 -0400
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:06 -0400
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:10 -0400
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:27 -0700
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 20:27 +0100
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 20:55 -0400
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 18:03 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:04 -0400
                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:55 -0700
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-05 16:12 +0000
                                          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:00 -0700
                                            Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 06:03 +0000
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:22 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                                            Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-06 21:17 -0400
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 08:22 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 08:54 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-07 11:56 -0400
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:18 +0100
                                          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:04 -0700
                                            Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 23:41 +0100
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:05 +0100
                                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 16:12 -0700
                                            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:24 +0000
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 12:57 +1000
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:19 +0100
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 22:21 +1000
                                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:31 -0700
                                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-06 09:39 -0700
                                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:45 -0700
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:13 +0100
                                            Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 09:02 +0100
                                              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:40 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:26 -0700
                                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:27 -0700
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                                                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 11:26 +0100
                                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:07 -0700
                                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 07:19 -0700
                                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 17:11 +0100
                                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 09:53 -0700
                                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 20:27 +0100
                                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:32 -0700
                                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:03 -0700
                                                          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:25 -0700
                                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <c@b.a> - 2018-10-11 11:29 +1100
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 14:47 -0700
                                          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:47 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:45 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 19:35 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 08:04 +0100
                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:08 -0700
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:16 +0100
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:24 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:55 +0000
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-05 14:50 -0400
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 10:42 +0100
                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:10 -0700
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:27 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:30 -0700
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:00 -0400
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:03 -0400
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:10 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:38 +0100
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:08 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:47 +0100
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:19 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:48 +0100
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:08 -0700
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:15 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:55 +0100
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:12 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:37 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:01 +0100
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 23:18 -0700
                                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:52 -0700
                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:53 -0700
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 20:29 +0100
                                          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 08:33 -0700
                                      Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:18 -0700
                                        Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 11:20 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:35 -0700
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 05:24 -0700
                                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-06 06:53 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:12 -0700
                          Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 19:04 -0700
                            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:22 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 09:27 -0700
                                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:45 -0700
                              Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:44 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:00 +0100
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:42 -0400
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 18:31 -0700
                  Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:23 +0100
                    Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:06 -0700
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:49 +0100
                      Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:14 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:55 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:10 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 13:13 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 13:47 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:26 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-04 10:22 -0400
            Re: worldwide internet threat map makolber@yahoo.com - 2018-10-04 08:16 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:44 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:15 +0100
            Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:14 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:31 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 07:51 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-04 08:27 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:57 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:29 -0500
          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 13:11 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-10-03 13:33 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 16:02 -0700
    Re: worldwide internet threat map Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo> - 2018-10-03 21:49 -0700

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#518112 — worldwide internet threat map

FromTTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 11:18 +0100
Subjectworldwide internet threat map
Message-ID<povgmh$rfa$1@dont-email.me>
For anyone that is interested:-
https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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#518118

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2018-10-02 07:07 -0700
Message-ID<2ru6rd5ui15kqd3pdneib1ojmema16hiv0@4ax.com>
In reply to#518112
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
wrote:

>For anyone that is interested:-
>https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
>
>---
>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus

If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
should not transport malware.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#518129

Frombill.sloman@ieee.org
Date2018-10-02 08:45 -0700
Message-ID<f9ea9895-9c12-4a93-a0d4-9cff45b45137@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518118
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:07:47 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >For anyone that is interested:-
> >https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
> >
> >---
> >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
> should not transport malware.

Denial of service attacks can be recognised as threats, because they involves a lot of packets. Working out from any individual packet that it is part of an attack might be more difficult.

The more basic question, which John Larkin doesn't seem to have thought about, is how one might recognise "malware" and distinguish from the sort of traffic that - say - these posts involve.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#518131

FromJeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
Date2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
Message-ID<2s57rdpd49ov9m38uad3ontuo289r8lqbe@4ax.com>
In reply to#518118
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>For anyone that is interested:-
>>https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html

>If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
>should not transport malware.

Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
"botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's
easy enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding
the originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you
go chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
probably in another country.

When these botnets are not busy attacking other computers, they use
their spare time to distribute email spam.  Here's a list of the top
spammers:
<https://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/>
Want to help solve the spam problem?  Just hire a hit man and take out
these spammers in alphabetical order.  No need to massacre the entire
list as those further down the alphabet quickly get the idea.

-- 
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

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#518134

FromCursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>
Date2018-10-02 17:22 +0000
Message-ID<pp09fu$ral$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#518131
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
> controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
> "botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's easy
> enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding the
> originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you go
> chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
> probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
> probably in another country.

Yes Jeffrey, and most of those hijacked PCs are in places like the Far 
East where the users are running illegal copies of Windows which are 
already compromised and on top of that they don't even bother installing 
updates and have no firewalls or improperly configured firewalls. A 
bloody good reason to use Linux!



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#518136

Fromgnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com
Date2018-10-02 10:28 -0700
Message-ID<b2da491b-c100-4089-b994-9ea1c96b54a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518134
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:22:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> 
> > Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
> > controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
> > "botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's easy
> > enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding the
> > originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you go
> > chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
> > probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
> > probably in another country.
> 
> Yes Jeffrey, and most of those hijacked PCs are in places like the Far 
> East where the users are running illegal copies of Windows which are 
> already compromised and on top of that they don't even bother installing 
> updates and have no firewalls or improperly configured firewalls. A 
> bloody good reason to use Linux!

You clearly spent no time looking at that map.  Much of the attacks were FROM the US!  

Rick C. 

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#518145

Frombitrex <user@example.net>
Date2018-10-02 15:19 -0400
Message-ID<cxPsD.96294$OM2.45245@fx37.iad>
In reply to#518136
On 10/02/2018 01:28 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:22:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
>>> controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
>>> "botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's easy
>>> enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding the
>>> originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you go
>>> chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
>>> probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
>>> probably in another country.
>>
>> Yes Jeffrey, and most of those hijacked PCs are in places like the Far
>> East where the users are running illegal copies of Windows which are
>> already compromised and on top of that they don't even bother installing
>> updates and have no firewalls or improperly configured firewalls. A
>> bloody good reason to use Linux!
> 
> You clearly spent no time looking at that map.  Much of the attacks were FROM the US!
> 
> Rick C.
> 

The map is fun to watch! USA! USA! We're kicking everybody's ass, and 
taking names. Seattle and Texas just tag teamed Vietnam and Russia and 
the Netherlands and kicked the shit outta 'em with those cyber missiles

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#518143

Frombitrex <user@example.net>
Date2018-10-02 14:59 -0400
Message-ID<ZdPsD.171003$sO2.28558@fx41.iad>
In reply to#518134
On 10/02/2018 01:22 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> 
>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
>> controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
>> "botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's easy
>> enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding the
>> originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you go
>> chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
>> probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
>> probably in another country.
> 
> Yes Jeffrey, and most of those hijacked PCs are in places like the Far
> East where the users are running illegal copies of Windows which are
> already compromised and on top of that they don't even bother installing
> updates and have no firewalls or improperly configured firewalls. A
> bloody good reason to use Linux!
> 
> 

at least overseas they sell a Windows International English edition or 
somesuch which you can usually get a license for from legit OEM sources 
for the equivalent of like 30 bux US. that's about what I'd pay for a 
piece of junk!!!! not the silly box retail US prices...

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#518239

FromJon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
Date2018-10-03 14:32 -0500
Message-ID<deGdnZXwYYvIhCjGnZ2dnUU7-SOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#518134
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:22:06 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> 
>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.  The PC's are
>> controlled by the evil bad guys from other hijacked PC's forming a
>> "botnet".  They also tend to use VPN's to cover their tracks.  It's
>> easy enough to find the source of the attacks, but not so easy finding
>> the originator of the malware or the operators of the botnet.  If you
>> go chasing after the IP address displayed by such threat maps, you'll
>> probably find some home or small business user with an infected PC,
>> probably in another country.
> 
> Yes Jeffrey, and most of those hijacked PCs are in places like the Far
> East 
Well, don't be so SURE about that!
> A bloody good reason to use Linux!

Well, that works for ME!  I do get tons of hacking attempts, but with 
some extra measures like denyhosts and blocking some specific 
troublemaker's IPs, it is at least tolerable.  But, I currently have 
about 7000 IPs blocked in my hosts.deny file, I have no idea how much 
overhead that causes when a legitimate user tries to log in.

Jon

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#518153

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com>
Date2018-10-02 14:51 -0700
Message-ID<ttm7rdde9689a3hvfajpdlrlt4jgljd5k2@4ax.com>
In reply to#518131
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>For anyone that is interested:-
>>>https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
>
>>If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
>>should not transport malware.
>
>Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.

A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
that.

Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties. 


-- 

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picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#518154

FromTom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2018-10-02 23:29 +0100
Message-ID<NiSsD.545979$ju.489763@fx18.am4>
In reply to#518153
On 02/10/18 22:51, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone that is interested:-
>>>> https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
>>
>>> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
>>> should not transport malware.
>>
>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.
> 
> A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
> apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
> that.

"Things like that" have another name: "magic", as in
"this is the point at which magic is invoked".


> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.

Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
"minimal customer support calls" over security.

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#518166

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com>
Date2018-10-02 17:58 -0700
Message-ID<ko48rd52son9i9kgngohehbum8qs6ihoqu@4ax.com>
In reply to#518154
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:29:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>On 02/10/18 22:51, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For anyone that is interested:-
>>>>> https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
>>>
>>>> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
>>>> should not transport malware.
>>>
>>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.
>> 
>> A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
>> apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
>> that.
>
>"Things like that" have another name: "magic", as in
>"this is the point at which magic is invoked".

Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
That's not magic.

>
>
>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
>
>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
>"minimal customer support calls" over security.

Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.



-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#518168

FromLasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk>
Date2018-10-02 18:08 -0700
Message-ID<db822cff-1577-4d44-933e-1d40bb510759@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518166
onsdag den 3. oktober 2018 kl. 02.59.01 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:29:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >On 02/10/18 22:51, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
> >>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> For anyone that is interested:-
> >>>>> https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
> >>>
> >>>> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
> >>>> should not transport malware.
> >>>
> >>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.
> >> 
> >> A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
> >> apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
> >> that.
> >
> >"Things like that" have another name: "magic", as in
> >"this is the point at which magic is invoked".
> 
> Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
> bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
> That's not magic.

the internet is made route around obstacles and you there was some 
central way of banning stuff, you couldn't see the end of the line of 
the people and politicians that wanted to add their little thing to 
the banned list ala the great firewall of China  
 

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#518171

Frombill.sloman@ieee.org
Date2018-10-02 19:09 -0700
Message-ID<2a41ea3d-54d9-43ec-ac30-ce28b7f39606@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518166
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:59:01 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:29:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >On 02/10/18 22:51, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
> >>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> For anyone that is interested:-
> >>>>> https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
> >>>
> >>>> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
> >>>> should not transport malware.
> >>>
> >>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.
> >> 
> >> A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
> >> apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
> >> that.
> >
> >"Things like that" have another name: "magic", as in
> >"this is the point at which magic is invoked".
> 
> Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
> bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
> That's not magic.

This conveniently ignores the question of how you identify "bad packets". Anti-virus software can identify repeated examples of the same packet - after that packet has been identified as a virus. The trick of including a field of random numbers in each viral packet has been well-known for a long time - the viral packets don't have to be identical to be effective.

> >> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
> >
> >Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
> >are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
> >"minimal customer support calls" over security.
> 
> Why impossible?

It may not be impossible, but we don't seem to have one yet.

> A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
> allow absolute protections. 

I wonder why John Larkin thinks that? Maybe Anthony Watts has posted this claim on one of his denialist web-sites, and John Larkin believes everything he gets from them.

> Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.

For the malware community? Every other computer architecture has proved to have weaknesses that malicious programmers have been able to exploit.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#518172

FromJeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
Date2018-10-02 19:17 -0700
Message-ID<5h88rddml7p7oi2ks1b8rp2h64osds2ita@4ax.com>
In reply to#518166
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
>That's not magic.

Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
need and analyze it later at their leisure.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 

>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
>>
>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
>
>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.

The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
protect themselves.  If you really want a vendor policed secure
operating system, simply standardize the EULA requirements so that the
vendor is financially responsible for any security breaches, malware,
software bombs, and consequential damages.  That should get their
attention.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to afford the resulting
secure OS or want to run it because of all the intrusive security
features.  I went through all that with Unix C2 enhanced security and
barely survived.

More threat map sites:
<https://threatmap.fortiguard.com>
<https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp>
<https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html>
<https://cybermap.kaspersky.com>
<https://www.fireeye.com/cyber-map/threat-map.html>
<https://threatmap.bitdefender.com>


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#518173

FromboB <boB@K7IQ.com>
Date2018-10-02 21:17 -0700
Message-ID<vpf8rd9rom4vqdbjptpe3hlno3v9bf49n3@4ax.com>
In reply to#518172
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:17:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>
>>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
>>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
>>That's not magic.
>
>Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
>broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
>elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
>not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
>terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
>probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
>need and analyze it later at their leisure.
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
>However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
>traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
>delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
>sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 
>
>>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
>>>
>>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
>>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
>>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
>>
>>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
>>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.
>
>The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
>Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
>security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
>scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
>users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
>protect themselves.  If you really want a vendor policed secure
>operating system, simply standardize the EULA requirements so that the
>vendor is financially responsible for any security breaches, malware,
>software bombs, and consequential damages.  That should get their
>attention.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to afford the resulting
>secure OS or want to run it because of all the intrusive security
>features.  I went through all that with Unix C2 enhanced security and
>barely survived.
>
>More threat map sites:
><https://threatmap.fortiguard.com>
><https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp>
><https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html>
><https://cybermap.kaspersky.com>
><https://www.fireeye.com/cyber-map/threat-map.html>
><https://threatmap.bitdefender.com>


I wonder if these attack map sites are real or all made up ?  Either
the map or the list of threats or spams coming up on the bottom of the
screens ?  I've seen these maps a whiel back but never really thought
about how they get that info.

I pulled up a couple of differentpairs of those  sites and placed them
next to each other but it's hard to tell if they are showing the same
thing or not. I'm sure there are at least delays of one site vs. the
other so I can't really tell...   How do they obtain this data ? 

One Youtube show I watch now and then is AT&T ThreatTraq where they
talk about the most scanned ports that week.  Not sure how they get
that info either but maybe because they are a communications company ?

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#518177

FromboB <boB@K7IQ.com>
Date2018-10-02 23:25 -0700
Message-ID<m2o8rdtg0cmasvh7o71rlubffi8vi370ms@4ax.com>
In reply to#518173
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 21:17:30 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:17:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
>><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
>>>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
>>>That's not magic.
>>
>>Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
>>broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
>>elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
>>not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
>>terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
>>probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
>>need and analyze it later at their leisure.
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
>>However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
>>traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
>>delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
>>sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 
>>
>>>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
>>>>
>>>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
>>>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
>>>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
>>>
>>>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
>>>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.
>>
>>The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
>>Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
>>security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
>>scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
>>users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
>>protect themselves.  If you really want a vendor policed secure
>>operating system, simply standardize the EULA requirements so that the
>>vendor is financially responsible for any security breaches, malware,
>>software bombs, and consequential damages.  That should get their
>>attention.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to afford the resulting
>>secure OS or want to run it because of all the intrusive security
>>features.  I went through all that with Unix C2 enhanced security and
>>barely survived.
>>
>>More threat map sites:
>><https://threatmap.fortiguard.com>
>><https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp>
>><https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html>
>><https://cybermap.kaspersky.com>
>><https://www.fireeye.com/cyber-map/threat-map.html>
>><https://threatmap.bitdefender.com>
>
>
>I wonder if these attack map sites are real or all made up ?  Either
>the map or the list of threats or spams coming up on the bottom of the
>screens ?  I've seen these maps a whiel back but never really thought
>about how they get that info.
>

Answered my own question I think by Googling.....   DuH !

From one map info in particular anyway...
http://map.norsecorp.com/#/platform


"
Norse Intelligence Platform

Every second, Norse collects and analyzes live threat intelligence
from darknets in hundreds of locations in over 40 countries. The
attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the
Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber
attacks by bad actors. At a glance, one can see which countries are
aggressors or targets at the moment, using which type of attacks
(services-ports).

Hovering over the ATTACK ORIGINS, ATTACK TARGETS, or ATTACK TYPES will
highlight just the attacks emanating from that country or over that
service-port respectively. Hovering over any bubble on the map, will
highlight only the attacks from that location and type.

Norse exposes its threat intelligence via high-performance,
machine-readable APIs in a variety of forms. Norse also provides
products and solutions that assist organizations in protecting and
mitigating cyber attacks.

"




>I pulled up a couple of differentpairs of those  sites and placed them
>next to each other but it's hard to tell if they are showing the same
>thing or not. I'm sure there are at least delays of one site vs. the
>other so I can't really tell...   How do they obtain this data ? 
>
>One Youtube show I watch now and then is AT&T ThreatTraq where they
>talk about the most scanned ports that week.  Not sure how they get
>that info either but maybe because they are a communications company ?

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#518179

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2018-10-03 01:00 -0700
Message-ID<l3t8rd9ouj511ckkvolcqbcodii63d1f48@4ax.com>
In reply to#518172
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:17:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>
>>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
>>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
>>That's not magic.
>
>Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
>broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
>elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
>not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
>terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
>probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
>need and analyze it later at their leisure.
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
>However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
>traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
>delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
>sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 
>
>>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
>>>
>>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
>>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
>>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
>>
>>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
>>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.
>
>The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
>Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
>security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
>scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
>users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
>protect themselves.

Right. Current computer architectures and OSs are fundamentally
garbage. Let's hope that is not a permanent condition.

How many security bugs has Windows had so far? Tens of thousands? Why
are Microsoft and Intel not liable for the damage done?


  If you really want a vendor policed secure
>operating system, simply standardize the EULA requirements so that the
>vendor is financially responsible for any security breaches, malware,
>software bombs, and consequential damages.  That should get their
>attention.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to afford the resulting
>secure OS or want to run it because of all the intrusive security
>features.  I went through all that with Unix C2 enhanced security and
>barely survived.

A secure hardware/software architecture neen not be complex or
expensive, but it would need a clean design, not just more kluges
piled on top of fundamentally stupid designs.

But meanwhile, the network could look for and not transport malware.

I'd pay for an ISP and a DNS that protected me better.


>
>More threat map sites:
><https://threatmap.fortiguard.com>
><https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp>
><https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html>
><https://cybermap.kaspersky.com>
><https://www.fireeye.com/cyber-map/threat-map.html>
><https://threatmap.bitdefender.com>

If all those infected packets are identified, why are they delivered?



-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#518183

Fromtabbypurr@gmail.com
Date2018-10-03 03:21 -0700
Message-ID<5e87e6ae-cc03-4520-922d-60a14f6aa993@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518179
On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 09:00:47 UTC+1, John Larkin  wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:17:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
> ><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
> >>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
> >>That's not magic.
> >
> >Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
> >broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
> >elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
> >not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
> >terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
> >probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
> >need and analyze it later at their leisure.
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
> >However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
> >traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
> >delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
> >sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 
> >
> >>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
> >>>
> >>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
> >>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
> >>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
> >>
> >>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
> >>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.
> >
> >The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
> >Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
> >security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
> >scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
> >users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
> >protect themselves.
> 
> Right. Current computer architectures and OSs are fundamentally
> garbage. Let's hope that is not a permanent condition.

what sells is determined by the free market. In the free market, junk windows is what most buy. Linux does better but isn't perfect. There have been new OSes written from the ground up to solve the problems of linux, but without a wide apps base they have very few followers, and with very few followers get little development thus few new apps.


> How many security bugs has Windows had so far? Tens of thousands? Why
> are Microsoft and Intel not liable for the damage done?

EULA

More publicity about ms's problems would help the clueless, but no-one wants to risk being sued nor upset the profitable model.


> If all those infected packets are identified, why are they delivered?

Google blocks attempts to visit suspect sites via google searches. It's a rather flawed system though.


NT

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#518189

Fromgnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com
Date2018-10-03 05:37 -0700
Message-ID<968f4b05-a238-4dbe-aff4-bd346249f55d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#518179
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 4:00:47 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:17:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:58:50 -0700, John Larkin
> ><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
> >>bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
> >>That's not magic.
> >
> >Because it will be like drinking from a fire hose.  The traffic has to
> >broken out into individual data streams, individual inspected by an
> >elaborate filter designed to detect KNOWN viruses and malware.  That's
> >not easy.  However, the NSA is doing something like that looking
> >terrorist discussing their next attack plan.  Right.  Anyway, they
> >probably don't look at it in real time, but rather record what they
> >need and analyze it later at their leisure.
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center>
> >However, any evil malware spammer with a clue would encrypt all his
> >traffic until it hits the last hop, where it is decrypted, and
> >delivered as ready to use malware.  In encrypted form, it's not
> >sniffable and probably not easily decrypted. 
> >
> >>>> Of course, a decent OS just wouldn't allow nasties.
> >>>
> >>>Impossible to achieve, but most of the current crop
> >>>are shockingly dismal, favouring "ease of use" and
> >>>"minimal customer support calls" over security.
> >>
> >>Why impossible? A decent hardware architecture and a sensible OS could
> >>allow absolute protections. Maybe RISC-V is the opportunity.
> >
> >The trend is to put more and more emphasis on user based security.
> >Vendors seem to contend that they can't guarantee the integrity and
> >security of their own products, so maybe having the user tediously
> >scan, filter, and test for evilware.  So, they pass the buck to the
> >users, claiming that it's somehow the victims responsibility to
> >protect themselves.
> 
> Right. Current computer architectures and OSs are fundamentally
> garbage. Let's hope that is not a permanent condition.
> 
> How many security bugs has Windows had so far? Tens of thousands? Why
> are Microsoft and Intel not liable for the damage done?
> 
> 
>   If you really want a vendor policed secure
> >operating system, simply standardize the EULA requirements so that the
> >vendor is financially responsible for any security breaches, malware,
> >software bombs, and consequential damages.  That should get their
> >attention.  Of course, you wouldn't be able to afford the resulting
> >secure OS or want to run it because of all the intrusive security
> >features.  I went through all that with Unix C2 enhanced security and
> >barely survived.
> 
> A secure hardware/software architecture neen not be complex or
> expensive, but it would need a clean design, not just more kluges
> piled on top of fundamentally stupid designs.
> 
> But meanwhile, the network could look for and not transport malware.
> 
> I'd pay for an ISP and a DNS that protected me better.
> 
> 
> >
> >More threat map sites:
> ><https://threatmap.fortiguard.com>
> ><https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp>
> ><https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html>
> ><https://cybermap.kaspersky.com>
> ><https://www.fireeye.com/cyber-map/threat-map.html>
> ><https://threatmap.bitdefender.com>
> 
> If all those infected packets are identified, why are they delivered?
> 

I was reading this post without knowing who wrote and didn't even get halfway through before I thought, "What idiot wrote this?"  I scrolled up to find... JL wrote it.  Surprise!!! 

Once again, showing a complete ignorance of all the issues. 

"Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

I never realized Shakespeare had met JL. 

Rick C. 

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