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OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 06:38 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 03:50 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 11:18 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:54 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 16:54 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:00 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 07:58 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:55 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:03 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-08 17:26 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 17:29 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:49 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-06 18:36 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:29 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-09 15:36 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:22 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 12:53 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 15:08 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:55 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:19 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 11:54 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 20:08 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 21:12 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 13:06 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:15 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 16:09 -0400
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 22:31 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 18:50 -0400
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-07 10:01 -0400
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 18:06 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-08 21:15 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 23:58 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 20:37 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-12 10:33 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:21 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 23:33 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 22:53 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:03 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 18:59 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 18:04 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:06 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:21 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:56 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:38 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:01 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:21 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 09:43 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:44 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.duckdns.org> - 2026-09-14 10:27 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:26 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 10:23 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:37 +0100
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 11:15 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:03 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:30 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-07 07:19 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:09 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:07 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:51 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-09 19:47 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 13:08 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:24 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 16:37 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-12 09:55 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:18 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:37 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:07 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 03:46 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:07 -0700
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 04:00 +1000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-10 02:50 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:24 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-06 17:48 -0300
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:35 +0000
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 20:46 +0200
Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 19:46 +0000
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-07 08:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ajkt9l1dhllbf6vp579mtpnplc3r2s4hv6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #747307 |
On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:09:35 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >On 7/09/2026 4:54 am, john larkin wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:19:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >> >>> On 9/6/26 16:55, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 15:08:37 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.26 um 12:50 schrieb john larkin: >>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 06:38:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: >>>>>>> https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/isar-aerospace-second-launch-norway-andoya-spaceport-spectrum-rocket >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil >>>>>>> News >>>>>>> By Mike Wall >>>>>>> Last updated 10 hours ago >>>>>>> "This is right now making history — making history for Spectrum, >>>>>>> making history for Isar, making history for Europe. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's truly historic, only 70 years behind the Russians. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course NASA helped a little. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's it for? >>>>> >>>>> What is that NASA thing? Do they still build stuff or do they >>>>> channel only $$$ to DT's friends nowadays? >>>> >>>> So many people have lost their tiny minds over Trump. He's a great >>>> President for that alone. >>>> >>> >>> He's unmatched at causing mayhem and bankrupting your country, that's >>> for sure. He'll be remembered as the most inept US president in >>> history. >> >> In a thread in sci.electronics.design, about a satellite launch, most >> people would rather talk about Trump. >> >> They must dream about him all night. > >My nightmares are Trump-free. The pleasant dreams don't include him either. > >Trump does seem be to working hard to disrupt our lives, mostly by inept >interventions in the world economy. It is an attention-getting activity. >It's a bit surprising that you don't seem to be aware of its downsides, >but Trump's professed aim seems to be to help the US economy (not that >there's any credible evidence that he has). The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians should behave similarly. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-08 02:51 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <117mq1v$3db13$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747327 |
On 8/09/2026 1:07 am, john larkin wrote: > On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 16:09:35 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> > wrote: > >> On 7/09/2026 4:54 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:19:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/6/26 16:55, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 15:08:37 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am 06.09.26 um 12:50 schrieb john larkin: >>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 06:38:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: >>>>>>>> https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/isar-aerospace-second-launch-norway-andoya-spaceport-spectrum-rocket >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil >>>>>>>> News >>>>>>>> By Mike Wall >>>>>>>> Last updated 10 hours ago >>>>>>>> "This is right now making history — making history for Spectrum, >>>>>>>> making history for Isar, making history for Europe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's truly historic, only 70 years behind the Russians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course NASA helped a little. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's it for? >>>>>> >>>>>> What is that NASA thing? Do they still build stuff or do they >>>>>> channel only $$$ to DT's friends nowadays? >>>>> >>>>> So many people have lost their tiny minds over Trump. He's a great >>>>> President for that alone. >>>>> >>>> >>>> He's unmatched at causing mayhem and bankrupting your country, that's >>>> for sure. He'll be remembered as the most inept US president in >>>> history. >>> >>> In a thread in sci.electronics.design, about a satellite launch, most >>> people would rather talk about Trump. >>> >>> They must dream about him all night. >> >> My nightmares are Trump-free. The pleasant dreams don't include him either. >> >> Trump does seem be to working hard to disrupt our lives, mostly by inept >> interventions in the world economy. It is an attention-getting activity. >> It's a bit surprising that you don't seem to be aware of its downsides, >> but Trump's professed aim seems to be to help the US economy (not that >> there's any credible evidence that he has). > > The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people > who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. That's what Trump says that he is doing. What he's actually doing maximising the benefits for his friends and family and people rich enough to bribe him. > Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians > should behave similarly. Bit of Europe are falling for right-wing opportunists like Trump. Hitler and Mussolini have dead for long enough for some people to have forgotten that this is a bad idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu was - in theory - left wing - but he did manage to look a lot like Trump after a few years in power. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-09 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <117sd4m$3qpt9$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #747327 |
John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: |--------------------------------------------------------------------| |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | | | |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | |should behave similarly." | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)
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| From | john larkin <jl@htigct.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-09 13:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <24f3al5e8s7die726mrurnuj2igbs1j9uj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #747512 |
On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >|--------------------------------------------------------------------| >|"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >|who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >| | >|Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >|should behave similarly." | >|--------------------------------------------------------------------| > >Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) "People get the government they deserve"
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| From | Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1181h10$faag$4@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #747513 |
"People get the government they deserve" We do not get the government we deserve. (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 16:37 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <1182rus$3gl0m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747513 |
On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: > On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir > <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: > >> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >> | | >> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >> |should behave similarly." | >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) > > "People get the government they deserve" What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a second time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a defective capacity to notice when you are being lied to, but the American electorate has been lied to a lot over the years (weapons of mass destruction) and the American education system doesn't seem to train American children in the critical skills that they need if they are to be able to detect when they are being lied to. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 09:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11830hq$2cbj$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #747605 |
Am 12.09.26 um 08:37 schrieb Bill Sloman: > On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>> | | >>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>> |should behave similarly." | >>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> >>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >> >> "People get the government they deserve" > > What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a second > time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a defective > capacity to notice when you are being lied to, There are 350 millions of them; if sleepy Don is only considered marginally suitable for the job, there must be shocking alternatives. Hey, did you already get your tariff dividend? Have you plans what to do with the his next bribe present of $ 5K of your own money? He seems like a copy of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Wicki: ---------------------- He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention so no one wonders who is really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was perfectly suited). He is the only man to have survived the Total Perspective Vortex, though it was established (in the books and first two radio series) that he survived only because he was in an Electronically Synthesised Universe created especially for him, thus making him the most important being in that universe and thus uniquely equipped to survive its version of the Vortex. ... As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, self-centered almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore his other flaws. ----------------------- > but the American > electorate has been lied to a lot over the years (weapons of mass > destruction) and the American education system doesn't seem to train > American children in the critical skills that they need if they are to > be able to detect when they are being lied to. Those willing to go to school seem to get mass murdered.
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 08:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9mqaal56mav12mjo04q94ifoj7ijchkltt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #747606 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 09:55:38 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote: >Am 12.09.26 um 08:37 schrieb Bill Sloman: >> On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >>> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>>> | | >>>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>>> |should behave similarly." | >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> >>>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >>> >>> "People get the government they deserve" >> >> What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a second >> time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a defective >> capacity to notice when you are being lied to, > >There are 350 millions of them; if sleepy Don is only considered >marginally suitable for the job, there must be shocking alternatives. > >Hey, did you already get your tariff dividend? >Have you plans what to do with the his next bribe present of $ 5K >of your own money? > > >He seems like a copy of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's guide >to the galaxy. > >Wicki: >---------------------- >He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no >power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention >so no one wonders who is really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was >perfectly suited). He is the only man to have survived the Total >Perspective Vortex, though it was established (in the books and first >two radio series) that he survived only because he was in an >Electronically Synthesised Universe created especially for him, thus >making him the most important being in that universe and thus uniquely >equipped to survive its version of the Vortex. >... >As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, self-centered >almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the >feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is >nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore >his other flaws. >----------------------- > >> but the American >> electorate has been lied to a lot over the years (weapons of mass >> destruction) and the American education system doesn't seem to train >> American children in the critical skills that they need if they are to >> be able to detect when they are being lied to. > >Those willing to go to school seem to get mass murdered. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_Europe It was interesting to see youtube posts from women visiting the USA lately. They were astonished to discover that they could walk alone on the streets without being harassed. And men mostly want to be friendly and helpful to women here. A couple of women left a bar late at night and a guy follwed them. He kept his distance and just wanted to be sure they got to their car OK. I'm impressed at how many friendly and smart and different people (and dogs) I meet every day, all sorts of colors and sizes and sexes. The next generation, the college kids, are awesome. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-13 01:37 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <1183rjt$3rmps$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747606 |
On 12/09/2026 5:55 pm, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 12.09.26 um 08:37 schrieb Bill Sloman: >> On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >>> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>>> | | >>>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>>> |should behave similarly." | >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> >>>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >>> >>> "People get the government they deserve" >> >> What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a >> second time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a >> defective capacity to notice when you are being lied to, > > There are 350 millions of them; if sleepy Don is only considered > marginally suitable for the job, there must be shocking alternatives. > > Hey, did you already get your tariff dividend? I'm not American - Sydney is in Australia, not America. > Have you plans what to do with the his next bribe present of $ 5K > of your own money? See above. > He seems like a copy of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's guide > to the galaxy. Douglas Adams did have a lively sense of humour, but he was British, and Donald Trump clearly isn't. > Wicki: > ---------------------- > He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no > power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention > so no one wonders who is really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was > perfectly suited). He is the only man to have survived the Total > Perspective Vortex, though it was established (in the books and first > two radio series) that he survived only because he was in an > Electronically Synthesised Universe created especially for him, thus > making him the most important being in that universe and thus uniquely > equipped to survive its version of the Vortex. > ... > As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, self-centered > almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the > feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is > nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore > his other flaws. > ----------------------- > >> but the American electorate has been lied to a lot over the years >> (weapons of mass destruction) and the American education system >> doesn't seem to train American children in the critical skills that >> they need if they are to be able to detect when they are being lied to. > > Those willing to go to school seem to get mass murdered. Not all that many of them. It's a legal obligation to get educated, and while home schooling is an option, the parents have to do a lot work - on top of just teaching the kids - to demonstrate that the kids really are getting educated, if they don't show up at a school. And schools aren't the only places where lunatic Americans with guns shoot lots of other people at once. It does make for tear-jerking news footage, and the American news business must have a commercial interest in sustaining the wide availability of hand guns to any psychotic who wants one. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 09:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <m2uaal1kbtdar6hl42p994u5q9319bc6a1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #747616 |
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:37:18 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >On 12/09/2026 5:55 pm, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: >> Am 12.09.26 um 08:37 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>> On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >>>> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>>>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>>>> | | >>>>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>>>> |should behave similarly." | >>>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>>> >>>>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>>>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >>>> >>>> "People get the government they deserve" >>> >>> What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a >>> second time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a >>> defective capacity to notice when you are being lied to, >> >> There are 350 millions of them; if sleepy Don is only considered >> marginally suitable for the job, there must be shocking alternatives. >> >> Hey, did you already get your tariff dividend? > >I'm not American - Sydney is in Australia, not America. > >> Have you plans what to do with the his next bribe present of $ 5K >> of your own money? > >See above. > >> He seems like a copy of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's guide >> to the galaxy. > >Douglas Adams did have a lively sense of humour, but he was British, and >Donald Trump clearly isn't. > >> Wicki: >> ---------------------- >> He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no >> power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention >> so no one wonders who is really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was >> perfectly suited). He is the only man to have survived the Total >> Perspective Vortex, though it was established (in the books and first >> two radio series) that he survived only because he was in an >> Electronically Synthesised Universe created especially for him, thus >> making him the most important being in that universe and thus uniquely >> equipped to survive its version of the Vortex. >> ... >> As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, self-centered >> almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the >> feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is >> nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore >> his other flaws. >> ----------------------- >> >>> but the American electorate has been lied to a lot over the years >>> (weapons of mass destruction) and the American education system >>> doesn't seem to train American children in the critical skills that >>> they need if they are to be able to detect when they are being lied to. >> >> Those willing to go to school seem to get mass murdered. > >Not all that many of them. It's a legal obligation to get educated, and >while home schooling is an option, the parents have to do a lot work - >on top of just teaching the kids - to demonstrate that the kids really >are getting educated, if they don't show up at a school. > >And schools aren't the only places where lunatic Americans with guns >shoot lots of other people at once. It does make for tear-jerking news >footage, and the American news business must have a commercial interest >in sustaining the wide availability of hand guns to any psychotic who >wants one. I pity the poor europeans who have to kill people with cars and kitchen knives. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-13 03:46 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <118435m$3v1sq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747617 |
On 13/09/2026 2:07 am, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:37:18 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> > wrote: > >> On 12/09/2026 5:55 pm, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: >>> Am 12.09.26 um 08:37 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>> On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >>>>> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>>>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>>>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>>>>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>>>>> | | >>>>>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>>>>> |should behave similarly." | >>>>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>>>> >>>>>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>>>>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >>>>> >>>>> "People get the government they deserve" >>>> >>>> What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a >>>> second time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a >>>> defective capacity to notice when you are being lied to, >>> >>> There are 350 millions of them; if sleepy Don is only considered >>> marginally suitable for the job, there must be shocking alternatives. >>> >>> Hey, did you already get your tariff dividend? >> >> I'm not American - Sydney is in Australia, not America. >> >>> Have you plans what to do with the his next bribe present of $ 5K >>> of your own money? >> >> See above. >> >>> He seems like a copy of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's guide >>> to the galaxy. >> >> Douglas Adams did have a lively sense of humour, but he was British, and >> Donald Trump clearly isn't. >> >>> Wicki: >>> ---------------------- >>> He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no >>> power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention >>> so no one wonders who is really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was >>> perfectly suited). He is the only man to have survived the Total >>> Perspective Vortex, though it was established (in the books and first >>> two radio series) that he survived only because he was in an >>> Electronically Synthesised Universe created especially for him, thus >>> making him the most important being in that universe and thus uniquely >>> equipped to survive its version of the Vortex. >>> ... >>> As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, self-centered >>> almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the >>> feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is >>> nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore >>> his other flaws. >>> ----------------------- >>> >>>> but the American electorate has been lied to a lot over the years >>>> (weapons of mass destruction) and the American education system >>>> doesn't seem to train American children in the critical skills that >>>> they need if they are to be able to detect when they are being lied to. >>> >>> Those willing to go to school seem to get mass murdered. >> >> Not all that many of them. It's a legal obligation to get educated, and >> while home schooling is an option, the parents have to do a lot work - >> on top of just teaching the kids - to demonstrate that the kids really >> are getting educated, if they don't show up at a school. >> >> And schools aren't the only places where lunatic Americans with guns >> shoot lots of other people at once. It does make for tear-jerking news >> footage, and the American news business must have a commercial interest >> in sustaining the wide availability of hand guns to any psychotic who >> wants one. > > I pity the poor europeans who have to kill people with cars and > kitchen knives. It's possible to do it. A car can kill a couple of people, but it's a lot easier with a gun. Kitchen knives are similarly limited - we had one nutter (a pyschotic who'd gone off his meds) running around the Bondi Junction shopping centre with a kitchen knife who killed a few people before the police shot him. The two guys with guns on Bondi Beach killed quite a few more. Limiting access to guns does save lives, but there are other avoidable risks. Robert F Kennedy has killed more people (two) than most demented gun nuts just by lying about the risks of vaccination, but nobody is stopping him from doing it. Of course kids dying of measles doesn't make for great new stories. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 08:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2fqaalpfop75nm6up1q48vtuvjch7kmf7l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #747605 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:37:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>> | | >>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>> |should behave similarly." | >>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> >>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >> >> "People get the government they deserve" > >What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a second >time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a defective >capacity to notice when you are being lied to, but the American >electorate has been lied to a lot over the years (weapons of mass >destruction) and the American education system doesn't seem to train >American children in the critical skills that they need if they are to >be able to detect when they are being lied to. He's well worth it just to see all the wussy furriners quake in fear and frustration and anger. Great fun. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-13 04:00 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <118440s$3v1sq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747611 |
On 13/09/2026 1:07 am, john larkin wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:37:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> > wrote: > >> On 10/09/2026 6:08 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 19:47:36 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir >>> <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| >>>> |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | >>>> | | >>>> |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | >>>> |should behave similarly." | >>>> |--------------------------------------------------------------------| >>>> >>>> Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. >>>> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) >>> >>> "People get the government they deserve" >> >> What have Americans done to deserve Donald Trump? Voting him in a second >> time was a serious error of judgement, and represents a defective >> capacity to notice when you are being lied to, but the American >> electorate has been lied to a lot over the years (weapons of mass >> destruction) and the American education system doesn't seem to train >> American children in the critical skills that they need if they are to >> be able to detect when they are being lied to. > > He's well worth it just to see all the wussy furriners quake in fear > and frustration and anger. Great fun. It's more incredulity than fear. Donald Trump's lunatic war on Iran has made the gasoline I buy more expensive, but the question that actually gets asked is "how could he have been so stupid?". If you enjoy being seen as contemptible morons you may be enjoying the experience. The rest of us are wondering when he's going to get his bottom smacked. The mid-terms are going to be the first opportunity, but the US electorate re-elected the twit in 2024 with stronger mandate than he got in 2016, so they can't be relied on to act sensibly. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2026-09-10 02:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <117sut1$8c1v$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #747512 |
Am 09.09.26 um 21:47 schrieb Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir: > John Larkin <jl@Glen--Canyon.com> wrote: > |--------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"The aim of a President should be to maxmize benefits for the people| > |who he represents, in DTs case the citizens of the USA. | > | | > |Europe seems to be coming around to the idea that their politicians | > |should behave similarly." | > |--------------------------------------------------------------------| > > Politicans in Europe do not care about whom they represent. > (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) Like everywhere they care about themselves and their friends. In Terry Pratchetts' Disc World SF book series there is a continent where politicians are jailed immediately after elections as a preventive measure in order not to loose time. The Prime Minister runs his government work directly from his cell. Gerhard
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| From | Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> |
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| Date | 2026-09-06 20:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <117kb4d$2j1fl$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747276 |
On 9/6/26 15:08, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 06.09.26 um 12:50 schrieb john larkin: >> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 06:38:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> From: >>> https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/isar-aerospace-second-launch-norway-andoya-spaceport-spectrum-rocket >>> >>> Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil >>> News >>> By Mike Wall >>> Last updated 10 hours ago >>> "This is right now making history — making history for Spectrum, >>> making history for Isar, making history for Europe. >> >> That's truly historic, only 70 years behind the Russians. >> >> Of course NASA helped a little. >> >> What's it for? > > What is that NASA thing? Do they still build stuff or do they > channel only $$$ to DT's friends nowadays? > > The V2 reached 100 Km, the border to space. A few Km higher is enough > for a LEO. Might have been sufficient to start it near equator instead > of Peenemünde to get another 40,000Km / 24h for free. > > That was 80 years ago. > > BTW, the Ruzzians also got some help from whom they looted from > von Braun's group. > > Gerhard Going up 100km is not enough. You also need to miss the earth when you fall back. That's by far were most of the energy goes. Jeroen Belleman
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| From | Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> |
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| Date | 2026-09-06 17:48 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87ecf6hzr8.fsf@debian> |
| In reply to | #747276 |
Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> writes: > The V2 reached 100 Km, the border to space. A few Km higher is enough > for a LEO. Might have been sufficient to start it near equator instead > of Peenemünde to get another 40,000Km / 24h for free. Suborbital flight is further from orbit than you might think. Reaching 100km of altitude requires 0.98MJ/kg (100km · 9.81m/s/s), a Δv of 1.4km/s (E/m = ½v²). Mean orbital speed v ≈ √(GM/a). Earth weighs M = 5.97 × 10²⁴ kg, G = 6.67 m³/kg/s/s, and a in this case is the radius of the earth (6371km) plus our height of 100 km. This works out to 7.85km/s, a kinetic energy of 30.8MJ/kg. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_speed#Tangential_velocities_at_altitude> So, suborbital flights to the von Kármán line, as game-changing as they would have been had decent guidance systems existed in 01942, are about 18% of the way to orbit in Δv terms, or 3% of the way in energy terms. In particular, the V-2 was designed for 75%-ethanol 25%-water fuel with a cryogenic liquid-oxygen oxidizer (“Brennstoff”). Pure ethanol has 30MJ/kg, so it cannot reach orbit. Carrying the oxygen cuts that in half or more. The V-2 engines needed to be completely redesigned for more energetic rocket fuels. So trying to orbit a payload with a V-2 wouldn’t be any more effective than trying to climb a ladder to the moon. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density#In_chemical_reactions_(oxidation)> To be fair, by the end of the war, the Germans had built rockets before the end of the war that ran on various more exciting mixes like C-Stoff/T-Stoff and S-Stoff (with some reductant). Kragen
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| From | someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18d3b81ab65f3e2b$5728$2028749$4226dc73@news.newsgroupdirect.com> |
| In reply to | #747276 |
Article says it was launched from northern Norway, which probably puts it inside the Arctic Circle To be fair, they probably used NASA and its data to establish time-dependent clearance for the launch as well as the orbit itself, to avoid a collision with all the junk up there. That's something becoming more and more critical by the day. -- For full context, visit https://www.electrondepot.com/electrodesign/ot-private-german-rocket-makes-history-reaches-orbit-from-4410040-.htm
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| From | Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1181hl8$faag$5@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #747502 |
Sweden launches sounding rockets within the Arctic Circle. (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)
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| From | Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 20:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1181i99$339lf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #747592 |
On 9/11/26 20:35, Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir wrote: > Sweden launches sounding rockets within the Arctic Circle. > (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) A sounding rocket is nothing compared to a rocket designed to reach orbit! Not in the same league at all. Jeroen Belleman
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| From | Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 19:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1181lpv$fr5q$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #747593 |
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------| |"> Sweden launches sounding rockets within the Arctic Circle.| |> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) | | | |A sounding rocket is nothing compared to a rocket designed | |to reach orbit! Not in the same league at all. | | | |Jeroen Belleman" | |-------------------------------------------------------------| Hello. Condolences on 9/11. Someone wrote about a place, believing it to be within the Arctic Circle. So I responded about rockets which definitely are launched within the Arctic Circle. (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)
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