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| Started by | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-14 18:58 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-03-23 15:57 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 254 — 32 participants |
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OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-14 18:58 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-14 22:32 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-14 21:53 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 10:08 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-03-14 22:40 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-14 22:47 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-14 22:24 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-15 02:22 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow pedro <me@privacy.net> - 2017-03-16 00:15 +0800
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-15 14:18 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-16 16:50 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-16 22:22 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 00:46 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-17 22:47 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 11:34 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 09:47 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 07:35 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 10:50 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 16:04 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 12:54 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-03-18 09:58 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:04 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 13:11 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 13:17 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:56 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:09 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 13:23 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 22:56 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 16:15 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:19 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 09:07 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:23 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 19:22 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 19:25 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 20:25 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-22 22:21 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:13 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:03 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:19 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:50 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 14:58 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:42 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:03 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:19 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:22 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:07 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:11 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 07:59 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:02 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 15:31 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 00:06 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:34 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:20 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:28 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:09 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:11 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:03 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 08:24 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-26 01:26 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 23:30 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 00:09 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:13 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:21 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:26 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:04 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 06:33 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-26 15:36 +0100
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:50 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:32 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 09:46 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 18:08 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:29 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:11 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 08:03 +0100
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:45 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:06 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:13 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:07 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-02 00:57 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-04 21:42 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-04 19:45 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:21 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:12 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 23:49 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 01:58 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-02 20:24 +0100
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:43 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:15 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 13:42 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:14 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:48 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 14:15 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:05 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:05 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-18 17:45 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-18 23:13 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:51 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 18:34 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 23:50 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-19 14:36 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 18:21 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-19 15:31 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 23:09 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:53 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:15 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-21 16:27 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:38 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 09:16 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-19 13:07 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:54 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-20 01:35 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:22 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 13:06 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 10:48 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 20:21 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:16 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-20 20:59 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 20:23 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 17:19 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-21 18:11 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 19:37 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-21 20:38 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 20:25 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:17 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-22 18:10 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-23 06:42 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 12:45 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:34 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:24 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 20:17 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 10:33 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:55 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:00 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:58 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:03 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-24 23:46 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:23 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 08:16 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:29 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 09:43 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 07:06 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 18:05 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 19:37 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 23:38 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 23:49 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 10:50 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:46 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:25 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 20:21 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:37 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 17:45 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 17:20 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:37 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:46 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 17:07 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:19 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 20:49 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:49 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:44 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 15:31 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:25 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-03-24 11:02 +0100
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:07 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 07:39 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:52 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:16 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-26 00:01 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:17 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 08:20 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 18:09 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:26 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:52 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:18 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:17 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:02 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:41 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 01:56 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-02 14:50 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:01 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:08 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:26 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 23:14 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:36 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:51 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:03 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:18 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:00 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:42 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:01 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-21 19:28 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-20 01:41 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 13:07 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-20 17:05 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:46 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:22 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 15:51 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 09:08 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:30 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-19 18:30 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:18 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:29 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 20:03 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 23:14 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:17 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:03 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-19 14:15 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:05 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 14:16 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 09:49 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 13:53 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 12:55 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-14 22:22 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-14 23:23 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-15 06:54 -0500
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-15 13:07 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 11:43 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-15 19:38 +0000
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-03-16 10:29 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-16 09:40 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-19 14:55 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 23:31 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Carl Ijames" <Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net> - 2017-03-18 09:22 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-03-18 10:08 -0700
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Carl Ijames" <Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net> - 2017-03-18 14:05 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 06:12 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 03:45 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 12:39 -0500
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 10:49 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 23:13 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-20 21:13 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-20 18:08 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 20:12 -0500
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-20 20:00 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-20 23:50 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-03-20 22:58 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 08:34 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 23:14 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-21 08:19 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 07:59 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-21 08:58 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 12:37 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 23:39 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 11:12 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:54 -0400
Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 19:17 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:24 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 17:08 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-21 20:35 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-21 19:32 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 08:37 -0700
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-22 22:33 +0000
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:28 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-03-21 21:14 -0400
Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:57 -0400
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 18:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oan04b$nf0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452618 |
On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: > On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: >> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm not sure it is very >>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 >>>> years in >>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. >>> >>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's >>> relevant. >> >> Know any? The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just doesn't get the same press. Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply being in prison? Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can. I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. -- Rick C
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| From | Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 15:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <d2b58938-27a1-441a-ba9e-bbdefeddc731@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452621 |
Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman: > On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: > > On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: > >> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I'm not sure it is very > >>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 > >>>> years in > >>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. > >>> > >>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's > >>> relevant. > >> > >> Know any? > > The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more > people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row > inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to > governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong > way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just > doesn't get the same press. > > Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we > can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person > who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply > being in prison? > > Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to > death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck > with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police > during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or > many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can. > I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. > you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated murder is the same thing?
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| From | Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 23:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oan32e$oce$25@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452622 |
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:31:30 -0700, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated > murder is the same thing? dude,ignore the prickman troll he talks out of his ass.
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 19:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oc6ucchm2fcfsb3t5a9d65sfchjql9qj6o@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452622 |
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote: >Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman: >> On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: >> > On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: >> >> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> I'm not sure it is very >> >>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 >> >>>> years in >> >>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. >> >>> >> >>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's >> >>> relevant. >> >> >> >> Know any? >> >> The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more >> people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row >> inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to >> governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong >> way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just >> doesn't get the same press. >> >> Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we >> can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person >> who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply >> being in prison? >> >> Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to >> death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck >> with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police >> during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or >> many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can. >> I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. >> > >you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated >murder is the same thing? Sure. That's why it's called "moral equivalence". Both Ricky and ShortRex are adherents to the leftist doctrine of moral equivalency.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 19:15 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oasc1u$cjf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452622 |
On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman: >> On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: >>> On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: >>>> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure it is very >>>>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 >>>>>> years in >>>>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's >>>>> relevant. >>>> >>>> Know any? >> >> The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more >> people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row >> inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to >> governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong >> way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just >> doesn't get the same press. >> >> Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we >> can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person >> who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply >> being in prison? >> >> Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to >> death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck >> with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police >> during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or >> many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can. >> I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. >> > > you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated > murder is the same thing? I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got that equivalence from it. -- Rick C
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| From | Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 16:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <de902869-0227-4fd8-bffb-1f30131bf2d8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452959 |
Den onsdag den 22. marts 2017 kl. 00.16.00 UTC+1 skrev rickman: > On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > > Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman: > >> On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >>> On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: > >>>> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm not sure it is very > >>>>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 > >>>>>> years in > >>>>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. > >>>>> > >>>>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's > >>>>> relevant. > >>>> > >>>> Know any? > >> > >> The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more > >> people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row > >> inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to > >> governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong > >> way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just > >> doesn't get the same press. > >> > >> Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we > >> can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person > >> who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply > >> being in prison? > >> > >> Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to > >> death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck > >> with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police > >> during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or > >> many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can. > >> I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. > >> > > > > you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated > > murder is the same thing? > > I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got > that equivalence from it. > you were speaking as if unintentionally causing someones death by placing a wrong sign etc. is som how comparable to intentionally killing someone
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 19:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oasdcv$ikr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452964 |
On 3/21/2017 7:27 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: > Den onsdag den 22. marts 2017 kl. 00.16.00 UTC+1 skrev rickman: >> On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote: >>> Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman: >>>> On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote: >>>>> On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote: >>>>>> On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure it is very >>>>>>>> relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20 >>>>>>>> years in >>>>>>>> prison if that is such a heinous punishment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's >>>>>>> relevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Know any? >>>> >>>> The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more >>>> people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row >>>> inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to >>>> governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong >>>> way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just >>>> doesn't get the same press. >>>> >>>> Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we >>>> can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person >>>> who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply >>>> being in prison? >>>> >>>> Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to >>>> death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck >>>> with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police >>>> during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or >>>> many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can.. >>>> I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have. >>>> >>> >>> you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated >>> murder is the same thing? >> >> I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got >> that equivalence from it. >> > > you were speaking as if unintentionally causing someones death by placing > a wrong sign etc. is som how comparable to intentionally killing someone I was comparing the issue of the state making a mistake in executing an innocent person compared to the many other ways we unintentionally kill people. I think if you again read what I wrote you will see this clearly. This is an emotional issue because we want to believe our legal system is just and accurate. It is neither. But in general it works better than many of our systems including ones that are also life and death. I'm not saying we shouldn't try our hardest to prevent innocent punishments (this goes much further than just executions). Just the opposite. I'm also not saying we should never execute anyone or should not halt executions. I'm just saying that this issue should be considered in the context of the rest of our lives. -- Rick C
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 09:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <wbmdnb-x_ebz0VPFnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #452493 |
"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >penalty. I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring where the emperor points his thump up or down. What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally righteous ones. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
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| From | John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 13:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <87y3w1e7p1.fsf@devereux.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #452552 |
"Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> writes: > "Kevin Aylward" wrote in message > news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... > >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... > > >> I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >> penalty. > > I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated > murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits > of killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge > exposing all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically > justifiable to execute said person being debated. Said person is then > dragged to a room with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate > injection of chemicals to terminate said life. This is no less > barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring where the emperor points his > thump up or down. > > What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians > supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite > their role model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou > shall not kill". More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they > that there the morally righteous ones. World leaders: China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, USA. Look at that map: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#/media/File:Capital_punishment_in_the_world.svg> Says it all really... -- John Devereux
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 19:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <2g6uccheh2pto7113hegrstud5ro8r8paj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452552 |
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... > >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... > > >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>penalty. > >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring >where the emperor points his thump up or down. > >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >righteous ones. > The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of story.
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| From | Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 01:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oanblo$oce$28@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452640 |
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:54:06 -0400, krw wrote: > The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of > story. Ha! It's *never* the end of the story when you get into an argument with our Kev. ;-)
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| From | tabbypurr@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-19 19:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <fa0c9f76-785a-44d7-a894-c6cd578a7974@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452640 |
On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" > <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message > >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... > > > >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... > > > > > >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death > >>penalty. > > > >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated > >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of > >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing > >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to > >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room > >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to > >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring > >where the emperor points his thump up or down. > > > >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians > >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role > >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". > >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally > >righteous ones. > > > The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of > story. Now there's simplistic.
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 13:06 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <rv20dc129opa5r04es05fu1cf6ktsni0vu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452667 |
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" >> <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >> >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >> >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >> > >> >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >> > >> > >> >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >> >>penalty. >> > >> >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >> >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >> >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >> >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >> >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >> >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >> >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring >> >where the emperor points his thump up or down. >> > >> >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >> >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role >> >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >> >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >> >righteous ones. >> > >> The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >> story. > >Now there's simplistic. Yes, it really is so simple that even you should be able to understand.
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| From | tabbypurr@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 10:48 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <be195aa9-b31f-4b00-8db0-580d396c7f99@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #452739 |
On Monday, 20 March 2017 17:06:41 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: > On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote: > >On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" > >> <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >> >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message > >> >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> > > >> >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... > >> > > >> > > >> >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death > >> >>penalty. > >> > > >> >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated > >> >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of > >> >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing > >> >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to > >> >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room > >> >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to > >> >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring > >> >where the emperor points his thump up or down. > >> > > >> >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians > >> >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role > >> >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". > >> >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally > >> >righteous ones. > >> > > >> The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of > >> story. > > > >Now there's simplistic. > > Yes, it really is so simple that even you should be able to > understand. I understand it ok. You're seriously naive if you think it's that simple. Let's just agree to disagree.
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 20:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <egs0dc1maqgmps7k6rrhkhgvuuadk8dick@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452749 |
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: >On Monday, 20 March 2017 17:06:41 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote: >> >On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" >> >> <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >> >> >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> > >> >> >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >> >> >>penalty. >> >> > >> >> >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >> >> >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >> >> >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >> >> >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >> >> >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >> >> >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >> >> >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring >> >> >where the emperor points his thump up or down. >> >> > >> >> >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >> >> >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role >> >> >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >> >> >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >> >> >righteous ones. >> >> > >> >> The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >> >> story. >> > >> >Now there's simplistic. >> >> Yes, it really is so simple that even you should be able to >> understand. > >I understand it ok. You're seriously naive if you think it's that simple. Let's just agree to disagree. Evidently not.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 19:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <oasc3b$cjf$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #452667 |
On 3/19/2017 10:22 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" >> <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >>> "Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >>> news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> >>>> "bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >>> >>> >>>> I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>>> penalty. >>> >>> I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >>> murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >>> killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >>> all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >>> execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >>> with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >>> terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring >>> where the emperor points his thump up or down. >>> >>> What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >>> supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role >>> model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >>> More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >>> righteous ones. >>> >> The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >> story. > > Now there's simplistic. I wonder if the same rule applies to the executioner? -- Rick C
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 20:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <wvadnYhErvoy303FnZ2dnUU7-TPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #452640 |
>wrote in message news:2g6uccheh2pto7113hegrstud5ro8r8paj@4ax.com... On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... > >>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... > > >>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>penalty. > >I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator >ring >where the emperor points his thump up or down. > >What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their >role >model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >righteous ones. > >The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >story. Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the aforementioned, we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of someone. i.e. murdered someone. It is simply impossible to define "murder" without including those nasty people that also engage in the same practices just because the state says they can. e.g. Murder - "the premeditated killing of someone not in immediate self defence, or defence of another life." This seems a pretty reasonable ethical approach, although I do not claim that in all cases, it is always ethical or not ethical. Including "if the state says so, its ok", begs the obvious follow-up...Dah... As a sideline, just what purpose does the state murdering someone achieve? Bring back the murdered? No. Reduce murder rate? No Cost the state 3 times more? Yes Tells Iran its ok to kill Gays? Yes. Tells the world, the US are hypocrites? Yes Tells the world what "civilised" means? No. You need to see the bigger picture. You are coming across as stunningly unread on this matter. Are you not aware at all of the history to those in power claiming to have a "just", "legal" "ethical" right to murder people? Hitler comes to mind. Do I *really* need to list the 1000s of despots, ALL claiming that it is just justice, as you do above, in taking someone's life? Do ISIS throw gays of buildings because they believe gays are innocent of a crime? Who gets to decide just exactly what specific level of murder warrants the death penalty? The women that shot her husband because she believed that he might beat her? Or, they might kill you in a years time, so you shot them first? or http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/trials_and_error/2017/03/non_unanimous_florida_juries_have_sent_nearly_300_people_to_death_row.html "Consider the case of Emilia Carr. In 2011, by a vote of 7–5, a Florida jury sentenced Carr to death." Clearly, juries cannot agree on "appropriate" death penalty cases. To believe that they every will, is simply delusional. Summary, your view is so simplistic and ill-informed that, sure, we will never agree. And that is not meant to be an insult. Its an observation of fact. You should really look at the history to this issue, rather than the knee jerk reactions. Like, is it ok to push the fat man off the bridge, to stop the train, that would otherwise kill the children? States have been justifying killing its citizens for 1000s of years, for reasons such as adultery, theft, homosexuality and so forth. Reducing it to "those that are truly heinous, involve moral turpitude, with 6 heads chopped off at once, whilst having sex with a corpse..." don't change anything. Ethics are a big subject. This issue though is trivial. Its wrong to murder anyone as punishment or revenge, which is all state executioners ever are. End of story. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-20 20:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <shs0dcht0u1ueng46n19keljm5j7ienvpl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #452781 |
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:59:26 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >>wrote in message news:2g6uccheh2pto7113hegrstud5ro8r8paj@4ax.com... > >On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" ><kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >>"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >>news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >>>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >> >> >>>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>>penalty. >> >>I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >>murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >>killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >>all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >>execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >>with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >>terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator >>ring >>where the emperor points his thump up or down. >> >>What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >>supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their >>role >>model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >>More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >>righteous ones. >> >>The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >>story. > >Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the aforementioned, >we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now >killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of >someone. i.e. murdered someone. It's obvious you're illiterate. <no point in reading further>
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 17:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <u6WdncqY26gt_UzFnZ2dnUU7-IPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #452812 |
wrote in message news:shs0dcht0u1ueng46n19keljm5j7ienvpl@4ax.com... On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:59:26 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >>wrote in message news:2g6uccheh2pto7113hegrstud5ro8r8paj@4ax.com... > >On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" ><kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >>"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >>news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >>>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >> >> >>>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>>penalty. >> >>I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >>murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >>killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >>all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >>execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >>with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >>terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator >>ring >>where the emperor points his thump up or down. >> >>What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >>supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their >>role >>>model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >>>More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >>>righteous ones. >> >>>The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >>story. > >>Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the aforementioned, >>we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now >>killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of >>someone. i.e. murdered someone. >It's obvious you're illiterate. Its obvious that you can't understand the issues involved. You have been brought up as a child that, if say, a judge, or the legal system that you just happen to live in says its ok, than it is. I don't. It is obviously way beyond you to understand that there is no essential difference in one group with the biggest stick agreeing to kill someone, then another. So, yeah, further discussion is pointless. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
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| From | John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 18:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Procedure" tomorrow |
| Message-ID | <87a88eebzg.fsf@devereux.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #452904 |
"Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> writes: > wrote in message news:shs0dcht0u1ueng46n19keljm5j7ienvpl@4ax.com... > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:59:26 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" > <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >>>wrote in message news:2g6uccheh2pto7113hegrstud5ro8r8paj@4ax.com... >> >>On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" >><kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >>>news:kfudnRgqWLyQIlDFnZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> >>>>"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad... >>> >>> >>>>I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death >>>>penalty. >>> >>>I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated >>>murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of >>>killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing >>>all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to >>>execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room >>>with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to >>>terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator >>>ring >>>where the emperor points his thump up or down. >>> >>>What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians >>>supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their >>>role >>>>model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill". >>>>More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally >>>>righteous ones. >>> >>>>The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of >>>story. >> >>>Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the aforementioned, >>>we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now >>>killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of >>>someone. i.e. murdered someone. > >>It's obvious you're illiterate. > > Its obvious that you can't understand the issues involved. > > You have been brought up as a child that, if say, a judge, or the > legal system that you just happen to live in says its ok, than it > is. I don't. > > It is obviously way beyond you to understand that there is no > essential difference in one group with the biggest stick agreeing to > kill someone, then another. I wonder if the juries in death penalty cases are not automatically skewed? Surely jury selection will tend to eliminate those who oppose the death penalty, since there is an excellent chance they would nullify the verdict. The remaining death-penalty-approving jurors would then tend toward the hang-em-high, let god sort them out, looks guilty to me outlook... Conversely a juror strongly opposed to the death penalty could get through selection and then refuse to convict a guilty perp. Either way it does not seem good for justice. -- John Devereux
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