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LTspice Loafing?

Started byrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
First post2017-03-09 03:29 -0500
Last post2017-03-09 18:23 -0500
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  LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 03:29 -0500
    Re: LTspice Loafing? Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2017-03-09 11:37 +0100
      Re: LTspice Loafing? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-09 09:53 -0500
        Re: LTspice Loafing? makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-03-09 07:03 -0800
          Re: LTspice Loafing? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-11 01:01 +0000
          Re: LTspice Loafing? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 08:59 -0700
        Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 09:34 -0800
          Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:11 -0500
        Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 11:33 -0800
          Re: LTspice Loafing? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-09 14:53 -0600
            Re: LTspice Loafing? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-09 13:42 -0800
              Re: LTspice Loafing? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-09 16:49 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-10 10:25 +0000
              Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-10 04:51 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 08:20 -0800
                  Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-10 19:06 +0100
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 10:42 -0800
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-10 20:29 -0600
                        Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 08:55 +0000
                          Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 08:46 -0800
                        Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 08:45 -0800
                          Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 17:11 +0000
                            Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 09:39 -0800
                              Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 18:16 +0000
                                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 11:04 -0800
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-10 22:56 +0000
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-13 06:54 +0100
          Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 17:39 -0500
          Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:01 -0500
            Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 15:49 -0800
              Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 19:07 -0500
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 16:13 -0800
                  Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 20:25 -0500
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 19:11 -0800
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2017-03-10 10:24 -0800
              Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-12 23:32 -0400
          Re: LTspice Loafing? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2017-03-10 00:03 -0500
            Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 01:02 -0700
              Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:14 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 17:38 +0100
                  Re: LTspice Loafing? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-17 09:54 -0700
                  Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 11:55 -0700
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:20 +0100
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 14:22 -0700
                        Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 19:16 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 12:09 -0700
                  Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:19 +0100
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 14:14 -0700
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 19:14 +0100
                        Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-18 14:04 -0700
                          Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 08:45 +0100
                    Re: LTspice Loafing? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-19 00:35 -0500
                      Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-19 05:28 -0700
                        Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 14:00 +0100
                          Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-19 10:35 -0700
                            Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 20:29 +0100
          Re: LTspice Loafing? John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-10 07:19 +0000
      Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 13:23 -0500
    Re: LTspice Loafing? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-09 03:15 -0800
      Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-09 20:12 +0000
        Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 17:47 -0500
        Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:09 -0500
          Re: LTspice Loafing? Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2017-03-10 01:00 +0100
            Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 19:52 -0500
    Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:23 -0500

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#451063

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-09 17:47 -0500
Message-ID<o9slrs$h2h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#451027
On 3/9/2017 3:12 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:114894f7-9781-46c3-b695-e9d0fd488d3d@googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 7:29:17 PM UTC+11, rickman wrote:
>>> I was running some simulations on LTspice and it is not even using 5% of
>>> my CPU.  Nothing else is topping it and the entire computer is pretty
>>> much at idle.  What could be limiting the speed?
>>
>>> One of the main reasons I bought a laptop with an i7 processor was to
>>> speed simulations.  Is this wasted on LTspice or am I doing something
>>> wrong?
>
>> It might be worth buying more RAM or a solid state hard disk.
>
>> LTSpice can get very slow when the waveform files are are being
>> swapped out of RAM onto hard disk.
>
> Yes. True for any spice. Once it starts memory swapping, its all over.
> Always get as much memory as you can if running spice.
>
> I've had 16 GB on my computers for many years now.

16 GB is pretty much standard for non-entry level now.  I'm looking for 
a new machine to replace this piece of crap and it will have 32 GB.

There seems to be a new thing now, gaming laptops.  It's hard to find a 
high end laptop unless it is a "gaming" machine with fancy case, colors 
and even RGB lighted keyboards.  What crap!  I just want a machine I can 
type on without activating the touchpad and a touchpad with *real* 
buttons so I can use it with my thumb on the buttons.  I have to use a 
wireless mouse... which should have the dongle built into the damn 
laptop!!!

Oh, and while I'm ranting, the function keys should be FUNCTION KEYS!!! 
I did finally find a setting to switch the default behavior of my 
function keys to be function keys and the laptop specific functions are 
now activated by the laptop specific feature enable key... but I still 
can't use F4 in any apps.  Seems someone, somewhere it overriding F4 
being a general purpose key and feels I need yet another way to close a 
program.  Instead of cycling the addressing mode in spreadsheets, it 
asks if I want to save my work before closing.

-- 

Rick C

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#451068

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-03-09 18:09 -0500
Message-ID<OglwA.29241$mb5.15829@fx19.iad>
In reply to#451027
On 03/09/2017 03:12 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:114894f7-9781-46c3-b695-e9d0fd488d3d@googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 7:29:17 PM UTC+11, rickman wrote:
>>> I was running some simulations on LTspice and it is not even using 5% of
>>> my CPU.  Nothing else is topping it and the entire computer is pretty
>>> much at idle.  What could be limiting the speed?
>>
>>> One of the main reasons I bought a laptop with an i7 processor was to
>>> speed simulations.  Is this wasted on LTspice or am I doing something
>>> wrong?
>
>> It might be worth buying more RAM or a solid state hard disk.
>
>> LTSpice can get very slow when the waveform files are are being
>> swapped out of RAM onto hard disk.
>
> Yes. True for any spice. Once it starts memory swapping, its all over.
> Always get as much memory as you can if running spice.
>
> I've had 16 GB on my computers for many years now.
>
> -- Kevin Aylward
> http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
> http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

Having a CPU with a nice fat L1/L2 cache probably helps a lot too - my 
guess is if that whatever set of matrix data structures LTSpice uses 
internally to represent a single stepping iteration's results can't fit 
inside the CPU cache you're kind of fucked, have to head out to RAM/disk 
every time.

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#451073

FromJohann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net>
Date2017-03-10 01:00 +0100
Message-ID<o9spe1$1m7k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451068
On 03/10/2017 12:09 AM, bitrex wrote:
> 
> Having a CPU with a nice fat L1/L2 cache probably helps a lot too -
> my guess is if that whatever set of matrix data structures LTSpice
> uses internally to represent a single stepping iteration's results
> can't fit inside the CPU cache you're kind of fucked, have to head
> out to RAM/disk every time.

I doubt it. The slow warthogs are typically buried in the OS/GUI code somewhere. 
Can you turn off the marching waveforms? maybe it's a GUI thing? 

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#451089

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-09 19:52 -0500
Message-ID<o9st61$9b2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#451073
On 3/9/2017 7:00 PM, Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 03/10/2017 12:09 AM, bitrex wrote:
>>
>> Having a CPU with a nice fat L1/L2 cache probably helps a lot too -
>> my guess is if that whatever set of matrix data structures LTSpice
>> uses internally to represent a single stepping iteration's results
>> can't fit inside the CPU cache you're kind of fucked, have to head
>> out to RAM/disk every time.
>
> I doubt it. The slow warthogs are typically buried in the OS/GUI code somewhere.
> Can you turn off the marching waveforms? maybe it's a GUI thing?

It runs faster if I hide the waveforms.  I can minimize the window in 
fact, and it pops up when done.

-- 

Rick C

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#451071

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-03-09 18:23 -0500
Message-ID<kulwA.73528$XG2.48858@fx08.iad>
In reply to#450944
On 03/09/2017 03:29 AM, rickman wrote:
> I was running some simulations on LTspice and it is not even using 5% of
> my CPU.  Nothing else is topping it and the entire computer is pretty
> much at idle.  What could be limiting the speed?
>
> One of the main reasons I bought a laptop with an i7 processor was to
> speed simulations.  Is this wasted on LTspice or am I doing something
> wrong?
>

Are you using Windows Task Manager/Resource mointor on Win8/8.1/10 to 
look at the CPU usage?

Because it's often full of shit. ;-) Try a program like RealTemp...

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