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discharging caps

Started byjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
First post2026-09-07 08:18 -0700
Last post2026-09-26 10:25 -0400
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  discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:18 -0700
    Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 17:20 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 09:58 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 19:51 +0100
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-08 10:27 -0400
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:16 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-08 15:44 +0000
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 09:35 -0700
    Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-07 12:26 -0400
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 10:00 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-07 19:32 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-07 15:38 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 07:41 +0000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:57 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:23 +0000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 09:38 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-09 10:33 +0000
                  Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-11 11:54 +0100
                    Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:01 +0000
                    Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-11 13:59 +0000
    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 04:28 +1000
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 11:59 -0700
    Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 19:33 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 11:52 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:35 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:43 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:03 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 13:10 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:25 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:00 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 03:09 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 12:56 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:40 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:51 +0000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 03:44 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 20:57 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-09 14:25 +0200
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 00:12 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 07:59 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 02:27 +1000
                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 10:42 -0700
                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 17:43 +1000
                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:10 -0700
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 00:58 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-09 17:29 +0100
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 03:35 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 01:32 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-09 23:10 +0200
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-10 18:38 +1000
                              Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 00:27 +0000
                                Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 18:38 -0600
                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 07:50 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 09:14 -0600
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 02:18 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 10:28 -0600
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 01:28 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:03 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-13 23:54 +0100
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 17:12 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:05 +1000
                                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:21 -0700
                                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:28 +1000
                                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-15 10:23 -0700
                                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 18:39 +1000
                                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-16 03:21 -0700
                                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 21:16 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 15:59 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:22 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:31 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 17:59 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-09-12 21:21 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:27 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:24 +1000
                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 13:36 +0000
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 02:05 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 19:40 +0100
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:08 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:18 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:24 -0700
                                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:36 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:11 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-14 08:56 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-15 18:50 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:17 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 01:02 +1000
        Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:19 +0100
          Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:33 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:23 -0700
            Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 16:28 +0100
              Re: discharging caps chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 21:13 +0100
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 16:06 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:10 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-08 12:59 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 16:45 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-09 03:22 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 21:07 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:10 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-14 09:44 -0700
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-14 10:15 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 16:23 +1000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-11 07:45 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 01:59 +1000
        Re: discharging caps Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2026-09-17 07:19 +0000
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 07:46 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2026-09-18 04:54 +0000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 07:57 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:45 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 08:02 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-19 16:40 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-19 08:48 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 16:30 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 02:17 -0700
                        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-20 12:30 +0100
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 00:52 +1000
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:46 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:41 +1000
      Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-08 07:46 +0000
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:26 -0700
    Re: discharging caps Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-09-07 21:18 +0200
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 12:36 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-07 22:26 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 15:14 -0700
            Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:06 -0400
              Re: discharging caps Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-07 19:30 -0700
                Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 23:40 -0400
                  Re: discharging caps Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:04 -0700
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-08 08:45 +0100
              Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 11:59 +0100
                Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-08 12:30 +0100
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 07:34 -0700
                Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-08 12:55 -0400
                Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 08:15 +0100
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 07:41 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 17:45 +0100
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 03:53 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 19:28 +0100
                    Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-13 17:16 -0400
                Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-14 10:20 -0400
                  Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-14 15:41 +0100
    Re: discharging caps Carl <carl.ijamesXX@YYverizon.net> - 2026-09-07 21:10 -0400
    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-08 10:37 -0400
    Re: discharging caps Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-09-08 22:14 -0700
    Re: discharging caps someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 11:40 -0700
      Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-10 09:55 +0100
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-10 07:20 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-11 16:32 +1000
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-11 07:46 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-11 17:08 +0100
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-11 14:28 -0700
              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 16:24 +1000
                Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 10:49 +0100
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:09 +1000
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 07:54 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:20 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:12 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 02:53 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:43 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 16:37 +1000
    Re: discharging caps Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2026-09-09 15:15 -0700
      Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-10 12:25 +0100
        Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-10 13:09 +0100
          Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:10 +0100
            Re: discharging caps Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2026-09-10 11:05 -0700
            Re: discharging caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-10 19:12 +0000
    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-13 14:52 -0400
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-13 12:17 -0700
        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-14 16:25 +1000
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-14 10:15 -0400
        Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:53 -0400
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 19:15 -0700
            Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 23:50 -0400
            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:58 +1000
              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-18 07:26 -0700
                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-19 16:26 +1000
              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-20 11:25 -0400
                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:42 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:54 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-21 10:09 -0700
                  Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-21 08:59 -0400
                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-21 08:02 -0700
                      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-21 13:00 -0400
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-21 10:12 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-22 10:12 -0400
                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 08:25 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 03:55 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-22 17:36 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 16:18 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-23 09:05 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:36 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 08:11 -0400
                                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-24 07:26 -0700
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 00:52 +1000
                                        Re: discharging caps ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-24 18:40 -0400
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 16:22 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:50 +1000
                                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:26 -0700
                                                Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 01:32 +1000
                                                  Re: discharging caps antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-26 03:12 +0000
                                                    Re: discharging caps "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 00:38 -0400
                                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 07:08 -0700
                                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 01:07 +1000
                                            Re: discharging caps JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 15:49 +0100
                                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:11 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-23 09:24 -0400
                      Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:01 +0000
              Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-20 11:44 -0400
    Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-23 21:42 +0100
      Re: discharging caps Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-23 14:44 -0600
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-23 17:51 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: discharging caps Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> - 2026-09-24 12:01 +0100
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 13:59 +0100
      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-23 14:16 -0700
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 11:51 -0700
        Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 07:58 -0400
      Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 07:54 -0400
        Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-24 13:59 +0100
          Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-24 17:56 -0400
            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 16:27 -0700
            Re: discharging caps liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-24 11:55 -0700
          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 17:09 +1000
            Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 09:38 +0200
              Re: discharging caps John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 10:59 +0100
                Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 12:28 +0200
                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 22:42 +1000
                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:38 -0700
                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 01:11 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 19:59 +0200
                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:56 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 09:24 -0700
                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +1000
                            Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 03:20 -0700
                              Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 20:55 +1000
                                Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 07:59 -0700
                                  Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:35 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:15 -0700
                                      Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:22 +1000
                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 07:20 -0700
                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 01:26 +1000
                        Re: discharging caps Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 22:58 +0200
                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 16:20 -0700
                            Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:39 +0000
                              Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 03:29 -0700
                                Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:50 +0000
                                  Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 08:04 -0700
                                    Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:16 +0000
                                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 08:29 -0700
                                        Re: discharging caps Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 06:38 +0000
                                          Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 17:34 +1000
                                          Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-28 10:17 -0700
                                            Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:09 +1000
                                    Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:54 +1000
                                      Re: discharging caps john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 20:14 -0700
                                        Re: discharging caps Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:58 +1000
                    Re: discharging caps legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-09-26 10:25 -0400

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#747362

FromCarl <carl.ijamesXX@YYverizon.net>
Date2026-09-07 21:10 -0400
Message-ID<rgJnS.2877$GL8e.2378@fx15.iad>
In reply to#747328
On 9/7/26 11:18 AM, john larkin wrote:
> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
> discharge them for several reasons.
> 
> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
> 
> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
> 
> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
> 
> 
> John Larkin
> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
> Lunatic Fringe Electronics

The traditional emergency discharge circuit for a supercon magnet like 
you used to make coil drivers for is two stud mounted diodes rated for 
the magnet current wired across from each other and mounted on a 
heatsink.  Two diodes because you never know which way the last person 
to charge the thing connected the + and - leads :-).  Switching was 
manual, of course, but it gave a constant power dump down to the diode 
cutoff.

-- 
Regards,
Carl

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#747394

Fromlegg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
Date2026-09-08 10:37 -0400
Message-ID<1770al9ndicoe0a24oma507rmem6i7me50@4ax.com>
In reply to#747328
On Mon, 07 Sep 2026 08:18:22 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

>Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
>farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
>discharge them for several reasons.
>
>Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
>200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
>gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
>
>The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
>constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
>not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
>
>And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.
>
>
>John Larkin
>Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>Lunatic Fringe Electronics

The most common form of maintenance safety feature of high 
energy installations is a 'lock out' feature.

This can be a simple hatch-activated switch that enforces 
various internal on/off features, such as motor de-energizing 
or energy storage discharge.

Consult the relevant literature.

RL

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#747436

FromJeremiah Jones <jj@j.j>
Date2026-09-08 22:14 -0700
Message-ID<a8q1aldqj3on2jd1v3mivgqg5cagdgafhm@4ax.com>
In reply to#747328
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

> Suppose we have a box with some big caps inside, for example 0.2
> farads that run at about 200 volts. When AC power is off, we want to
> discharge them for several reasons.
> 
> Putting, say, a 1K resistor across them dissipates 40 watts and has a
> 200 second time constant. It will take many tau before the voltage
> gets low enough for people to poke around inside.
> 
> The ideal discharger would be a constant-current or even better a
> constant-power load, all the way down to zero volts. It would be dumb,
> not switched by some decision circuit or anything fancy like that.
> 
> And of course we need several LEDs as warnings that the thing is hot.

You only need an incandescent bulb, around 100 or 150 W,
placed across the capacitor when you want to discharge it.

It's cheap, low tech, high-power tolerant, has non-linear E/I
curve in the right direction, and accomplishes the warning
light part of the mission.

120vac bulbs might require two of them in series for 200+
volt dc use.

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#747506

Fromsomeone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com>
Date2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
Message-ID<18d3b81ac35dfcac$5733$2028749$4226dc73@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#747328
1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200= 20W , which is nothing.

Cheapest way is Darlington current source driven by a multiplier error amp taking voltage input from the cap and current input from the Darlington emitter current sense. The multiplier only needs to be one quadrant, eliminating the need for that overpriced ripoff AD633 and its equivalents. That gives you three options: transconductance variable gain amp, digital PWM multiplier using something like 4066, or a log-antilog using a quad opamp LM324 type. The quad opamp should be the least trouble. There are plenty of circuits in the old NatSemi app notes, nothing extreme by way of diode matching is necessary for this application.

When the voltage across the cap gets down to 10V, switch out the MOSFET and switch in a resistor. Current will be 2A by then.

The constant power components should come in at under $10 (small quantity). Those linear MOSFETs are another major ripoff too, and bipolar is perfectly adequate for this purpose, and cheap.

-- 
For full context, visit https://www.electrondepot.com/electrodesign/discharging-caps-4410124-.htm

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#747510

Fromjohn larkin <jl@htigct.com>
Date2026-09-09 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<ji93al5alshgodqv3ihnp8j3gsg8701a3b@4ax.com>
In reply to#747506
On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 17:45:02 +0000, someone
<2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com>
wrote:

>1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200= 20W , which is nothing.
>
>Cheapest way is Darlington current source driven by a multiplier error amp taking voltage input from the cap and current input from the Darlington emitter current sense. The multiplier only needs to be one quadrant, eliminating the need for that overpriced ripoff AD633 and its equivalents. That gives you three options: transconductance variable gain amp, digital PWM multiplier using something like 4066, or a log-antilog using a quad opamp LM324 type. The quad opamp should be the least trouble. There are plenty of circuits in the old NatSemi app notes, nothing extreme by way of diode matching is necessary for this application.
>
>When the voltage across the cap gets down to 10V, switch out the MOSFET and switch in a resistor. Current will be 2A by then.
>
>The constant power components should come in at under $10 (small quantity). Those linear MOSFETs are another major ripoff too, and bipolar is perfectly adequate for this purpose, and cheap.

We were thinking of doing the opposite: start with a power resistor
and kick in a fet near the end of the discharge, to kill the
exponential tail.

We'd use several and leave them on all the time, which avoids a bunch
of logic with its own failure modes.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/w86g1m4si37dhadi9hw5u/P200_Discharge_1.jpg?rlkey=e1gyhxtivgjqzi85izlixk6sf&raw=1

Thanks for the ideas. It's helpful to get other peoples ideas.

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#747530

FromSimon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk>
Date2026-09-10 09:55 +0100
Message-ID<117trat$1rets$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747506
On 09/09/2026 18:45, someone wrote:
> 1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200= 
> 20W , which is nothing.
<xxxx>

It's interesting. 4kJ would run my ordinary 3kW kettle for about 1.3 
seconds and you'd not notice the water temperature rise, so therefore 
4kJ is nothing much.

But 4kJ would throw a 5kg bowling ball 160m (45 degrees, flat ground, no 
air, natch) which is a lot.

-- 
SS

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#747539

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-10 07:20 -0700
Message-ID<g0f5al185ifin5nvvcq22not9079s6hn90@4ax.com>
In reply to#747530
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 09:55:53 +0100, Simon Simple
<nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 09/09/2026 18:45, someone wrote:
>> 1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200= 
>> 20W , which is nothing.
><xxxx>
>
>It's interesting. 4kJ would run my ordinary 3kW kettle for about 1.3 
>seconds and you'd not notice the water temperature rise, so therefore 
>4kJ is nothing much.
>
>But 4kJ would throw a 5kg bowling ball 160m (45 degrees, flat ground, no 
>air, natch) which is a lot.

2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.

People would notice if that were shorted.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747564

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-11 16:32 +1000
Message-ID<118079g$2kpki$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747539
On 11/09/2026 12:20 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 09:55:53 +0100, Simon Simple
> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/09/2026 18:45, someone wrote:
>>> 1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200=
>>> 20W , which is nothing.
>> <xxxx>
>>
>> It's interesting. 4kJ would run my ordinary 3kW kettle for about 1.3
>> seconds and you'd not notice the water temperature rise, so therefore
>> 4kJ is nothing much.
>>
>> But 4kJ would throw a 5kg bowling ball 160m (45 degrees, flat ground, no
>> air, natch) which is a lot.
> 
> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
> 
> People would notice if that were shorted.

Not if the energy were dissipated making the internals of a couple of 
big resistors several hundred degrees warmer for a few minutes.

That isn't noisy or flashy. Capacitors don't change shape much when they 
discharge. The wiring around big inductors can move. Big transformers 
hum if the windings aren't impregnated, so making the discharge curve 
critically damped with an inductor might call for extra care.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney


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#747577

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-11 07:46 -0700
Message-ID<1158allqkjm1jo5osrdqu3lndeshb8a0s3@4ax.com>
In reply to#747564
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 16:32:03 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 11/09/2026 12:20 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 09:55:53 +0100, Simon Simple
>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/09/2026 18:45, someone wrote:
>>>> 1/2CV^2 is 4,000J.  200 s discharge at constant power is 4,000/200=
>>>> 20W , which is nothing.
>>> <xxxx>
>>>
>>> It's interesting. 4kJ would run my ordinary 3kW kettle for about 1.3
>>> seconds and you'd not notice the water temperature rise, so therefore
>>> 4kJ is nothing much.
>>>
>>> But 4kJ would throw a 5kg bowling ball 160m (45 degrees, flat ground, no
>>> air, natch) which is a lot.
>> 
>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>> 
>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>
>Not if the energy were dissipated making the internals of a couple of 
>big resistors several hundred degrees warmer for a few minutes.

Did I remember to say "shorted" ?


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747582

FromSimon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk>
Date2026-09-11 17:08 +0100
Message-ID<1181914$31p91$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747539
On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:

<xxxx>>
> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.

If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six 
beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!

> People would notice if that were shorted.

Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical 
size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine 
sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.

-- 
SS


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#747600

Fromjohn larkin <jl@htigct.com>
Date2026-09-11 14:28 -0700
Message-ID<cbs8alhspo1m1bl59ctt612bkdfqcuob13@4ax.com>
In reply to#747582
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
<nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>
><xxxx>>
>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>
>If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six 
>beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>
>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>
>Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical 
>size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine 
>sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.

I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
200v.

I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
the nameplate value.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1

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#747604

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-12 16:24 +1000
Message-ID<1182r72$3gl0m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747600
On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>
>> <xxxx>>
>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>
>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>
>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>
>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
> 
> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
> 200v.
> 
> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
> the nameplate value.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1

One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the 
need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day 
or so if they have been unused for a while.

The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode 
surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored 
uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through 
a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off 
the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming 
current as the process proceeds.

Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance. 
That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only 
get you up to 45mF

I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some 
military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother 
to monitor the current.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747608

FromJohn R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-12 10:49 +0100
Message-ID<118376j$3kpl2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747604
On 12/09/2026 07:24, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> <xxxx>>
>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>
>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>
>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>
>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>
>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>> 200v.
>>
>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>> the nameplate value.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg? 
>> rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
> 
> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the 
> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day 
> or so if they have been unused for a while.
> 
> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode 

I'm sure you didn't mean that!

> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored 
> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through 
> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off 
> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming 
> current as the process proceeds.
> 
> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance. 
> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only 
> get you up to 45mF
> 
> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some 
> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother 
> to monitor the current.
> 

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#747612

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-13 01:09 +1000
Message-ID<1183pus$3rmps$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747608
On 12/09/2026 7:49 pm, John R Walliker wrote:
> On 12/09/2026 07:24, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>
>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>
>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>
>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>> 200v.
>>>
>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>> the nameplate value.
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg? 
>>> rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>
>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the 
>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day 
>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>
>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode 
> 
> I'm sure you didn't mean that!

Correct. What I meant to type was that the "dielectric" was a layer of 
aluminium oxide on one electrode.

>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored 
>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage 
>> through a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer 
>> stand off the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the 
>> reforming current as the process proceeds.
>>
>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated 
>> capacitance. That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% 
>> tolerance only get you up to 45mF
>>
>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some 
>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't 
>> bother to monitor the current.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747609

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-12 07:54 -0700
Message-ID<plpaaldvjoad91tun8cpmkjrgolgr830q4@4ax.com>
In reply to#747604
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> <xxxx>>
>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>
>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>
>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>
>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>> 
>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>> 200v.
>> 
>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>> the nameplate value.
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>
>One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the 
>need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day 
>or so if they have been unused for a while.
>
>The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode 
>surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored 
>uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through 
>a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off 
>the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming 
>current as the process proceeds.
>
>Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance. 
>That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only 
>get you up to 45mF
>
>I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some 
>military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother 
>to monitor the current.

I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.

Caps are tricky parts.



John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747615

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-13 01:20 +1000
Message-ID<1183qkt$3rmps$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747609
On 13/09/2026 12:54 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>
>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>
>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>
>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>> 200v.
>>>
>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>> the nameplate value.
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>
>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the
>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day
>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>
>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode
>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored
>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through
>> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off
>> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming
>> current as the process proceeds.
>>
>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance.
>> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only
>> get you up to 45mF
>>
>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some
>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother
>> to monitor the current.
> 
> I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
> drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
> minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.

Not that I know of. Note that the tolerance printed on your can was -10% 
+50%.

The need to reform long unused electrolytic capacitors was well known 
everywhere I worked. Nobody ever warned me about any "drying out", and 
mythical electro-chemical effects weren't mentioned either. Back when I 
was a graduate student in chemistry the electrochemists did get a hard 
time,  but back then they didn't have good tools for looking at the 
microscope detail of the very thin layers where the electrochemistry 
took place.

> Caps are tricky parts.

And electrolytic capacitors are even trickier than regular capacitors. 
Charge soak isn't nice.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747618

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-12 09:12 -0700
Message-ID<19uaalh8mmvo8sqbgaovjhmeu4t2n7p8ag@4ax.com>
In reply to#747615
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:20:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 13/09/2026 12:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>>
>>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>>
>>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>>> 200v.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>>> the nameplate value.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>>
>>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the
>>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day
>>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>>
>>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode
>>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored
>>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through
>>> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off
>>> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming
>>> current as the process proceeds.
>>>
>>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance.
>>> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only
>>> get you up to 45mF
>>>
>>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some
>>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother
>>> to monitor the current.
>> 
>> I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
>> drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
>> minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.
>
>Not that I know of. Note that the tolerance printed on your can was -10% 
>+50%.

Hey, I saw that. It measured +66%.


>
>The need to reform long unused electrolytic capacitors was well known 
>everywhere I worked. Nobody ever warned me about any "drying out", and 
>mythical electro-chemical effects weren't mentioned either. Back when I 
>was a graduate student in chemistry the electrochemists did get a hard 
>time,  but back then they didn't have good tools for looking at the 
>microscope detail of the very thin layers where the electrochemistry 
>took place.
>
>> Caps are tricky parts.
>
>And electrolytic capacitors are even trickier than regular capacitors. 
>Charge soak isn't nice.

Charged to 100v and discharged for 2 seconds, that big cap went to
about 0.25 volts and then only recharged itself to 2 volts.

Not bad.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747623

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-13 02:53 +1000
Message-ID<1184027$3tnj6$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747618
On 13/09/2026 2:12 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:20:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 13/09/2026 12:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>>>> 200v.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>>>> the nameplate value.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>>>
>>>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the
>>>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day
>>>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>>>
>>>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode
>>>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored
>>>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through
>>>> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off
>>>> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming
>>>> current as the process proceeds.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance.
>>>> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only
>>>> get you up to 45mF
>>>>
>>>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some
>>>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother
>>>> to monitor the current.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
>>> drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
>>> minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.
>>
>> Not that I know of. Note that the tolerance printed on your can was -10%
>> +50%.
> 
> Hey, I saw that. It measured +66%.

Which does suggest that it had been left uncharged for long enough to 
need  reforming.

The tolerances are just arbitrary cut-offs on what's probably a Gaussian 
distribution. Presumably the manufacturer samples individual capacitors 
often enough to be confident  that the distribution is stable, but don't 
measure every capacitor that they ship. That +66%  might just have been 
an outlier.

>> The need to reform long unused electrolytic capacitors was well known
>> everywhere I worked. Nobody ever warned me about any "drying out", and
>> mythical electro-chemical effects weren't mentioned either. Back when I
>> was a graduate student in chemistry the electrochemists did get a hard
>> time,  but back then they didn't have good tools for looking at the
>> microscope detail of the very thin layers where the electrochemistry
>> took place.
>>
>>> Caps are tricky parts.
>>
>> And electrolytic capacitors are even trickier than regular capacitors.
>> Charge soak isn't nice.
> 
> Charged to 100v and discharged for 2 seconds, that big cap went to
> about 0.25 volts and then only recharged itself to 2 volts.
> 
> Not bad.

It's more of a worry in capacitor-based A/D converters. Dual ramp and 
quad ramp schemes come to mind. Not all that clearly - that was back in 
1979. Going from a Mylar to polycarbonate dielectric got the soak down 
far enough to make it tolerable.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#747631

Fromjohn larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
Date2026-09-12 12:43 -0700
Message-ID<dbabal59vi2amu0a89g76t6mo3s3ghdj54@4ax.com>
In reply to#747623
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 02:53:12 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 13/09/2026 2:12 am, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:20:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13/09/2026 12:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>>>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>>>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>>>>> 200v.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>>>>> the nameplate value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the
>>>>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day
>>>>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode
>>>>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored
>>>>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through
>>>>> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off
>>>>> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming
>>>>> current as the process proceeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance.
>>>>> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only
>>>>> get you up to 45mF
>>>>>
>>>>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some
>>>>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother
>>>>> to monitor the current.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
>>>> drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
>>>> minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.
>>>
>>> Not that I know of. Note that the tolerance printed on your can was -10%
>>> +50%.
>> 
>> Hey, I saw that. It measured +66%.
>
>Which does suggest that it had been left uncharged for long enough to 
>need  reforming.
>

It charged to 100 volts with a power supply that was limited to 20 mA.
The rampup was very linear.


>The tolerances are just arbitrary cut-offs on what's probably a Gaussian 
>distribution. Presumably the manufacturer samples individual capacitors 
>often enough to be confident  that the distribution is stable, but don't 
>measure every capacitor that they ship. That +66%  might just have been 
>an outlier.
>
>>> The need to reform long unused electrolytic capacitors was well known
>>> everywhere I worked. Nobody ever warned me about any "drying out", and
>>> mythical electro-chemical effects weren't mentioned either. Back when I
>>> was a graduate student in chemistry the electrochemists did get a hard
>>> time,  but back then they didn't have good tools for looking at the
>>> microscope detail of the very thin layers where the electrochemistry
>>> took place.
>>>
>>>> Caps are tricky parts.
>>>
>>> And electrolytic capacitors are even trickier than regular capacitors.
>>> Charge soak isn't nice.
>> 
>> Charged to 100v and discharged for 2 seconds, that big cap went to
>> about 0.25 volts and then only recharged itself to 2 volts.
>> 
>> Not bad.
>
>It's more of a worry in capacitor-based A/D converters. Dual ramp and 
>quad ramp schemes come to mind. Not all that clearly - that was back in 
>1979. Going from a Mylar to polycarbonate dielectric got the soak down 
>far enough to make it tolerable.

I remember dual-slope ADCs. I designed a few. Very long ago. IC adc's
are dirt cheap now and super accurate. 24 bits for $2.

The caps that people can make inside ICs are about the best caps that
are possible.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#747651

FromBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Date2026-09-13 16:37 +1000
Message-ID<1185gap$csfm$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#747631
On 13/09/2026 5:43 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 02:53:12 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 13/09/2026 2:12 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:20:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/09/2026 12:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 16:24:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/09/2026 7:28 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:08:00 +0100, Simon Simple
>>>>>>> <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2026 15:20, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <xxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.4 KJ is about 16 firecrackers or five .45 cal bullets worth of bang.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I've done the sums right, that's a capacitor bank bigger than six
>>>>>>>> beer cans storing about the same energy as one AAA cell!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People would notice if that were shorted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I used to operate capacitor banks of maybe 2-4 times that physical
>>>>>>>> size charged to 1kV and discharged via a spark gap through a marine
>>>>>>>> sparker for seismic work. Long time ago before H&S was a thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got one of the giant caps. It says that it's 30,000 uF but it
>>>>>>> measures 50,000. So we'll have 4000 joules with four in parallel at
>>>>>>> 200v.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's normal for elecs to have more initial capacitance than
>>>>>>> the nameplate value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/apargzu733abcq6ww7w3b/30mF_250v.jpg?rlkey=00osgeyqpxceowgqf7l32mlnr&raw=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the more depressing things about electrolytic capacitors is the
>>>>>> need to reform them by keeping the rated voltage across them for a day
>>>>>> or so if they have been unused for a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The actual electrolyte is a layer of aluminium oxide on the electrode
>>>>>> surface, and that diffuses away slowly if the capacitor is stored
>>>>>> uncharged. In extreme cases you have apply the reforming voltage through
>>>>>> a big resistor because the thinned down layer can no longer stand off
>>>>>> the rated voltage. With the big resistor you can measure the reforming
>>>>>> current as the process proceeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the initial capacitance is higher than the rated capacitance.
>>>>>> That may have contributed to your initial 50mF - a +50% tolerance only
>>>>>> get you up to 45mF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I reformed a couple of electroltics many years ago when I bought some
>>>>>> military surplus electrolytics for my home built hi-fi. I didn't bother
>>>>>> to monitor the current.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking that they overdo the capacitance to account for later-on
>>>>> drying out or some electro-chemical effects, to ensure the guaranteed
>>>>> minimum c over the (short) specified lifetime.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I know of. Note that the tolerance printed on your can was -10%
>>>> +50%.
>>>
>>> Hey, I saw that. It measured +66%.
>>
>> Which does suggest that it had been left uncharged for long enough to
>> need  reforming.
>>
> 
> It charged to 100 volts with a power supply that was limited to 20 mA.
> The rampup was very linear.
> 
> 
>> The tolerances are just arbitrary cut-offs on what's probably a Gaussian
>> distribution. Presumably the manufacturer samples individual capacitors
>> often enough to be confident  that the distribution is stable, but don't
>> measure every capacitor that they ship. That +66%  might just have been
>> an outlier.
>>
>>>> The need to reform long unused electrolytic capacitors was well known
>>>> everywhere I worked. Nobody ever warned me about any "drying out", and
>>>> mythical electro-chemical effects weren't mentioned either. Back when I
>>>> was a graduate student in chemistry the electrochemists did get a hard
>>>> time,  but back then they didn't have good tools for looking at the
>>>> microscope detail of the very thin layers where the electrochemistry
>>>> took place.
>>>>
>>>>> Caps are tricky parts.
>>>>
>>>> And electrolytic capacitors are even trickier than regular capacitors.
>>>> Charge soak isn't nice.
>>>
>>> Charged to 100v and discharged for 2 seconds, that big cap went to
>>> about 0.25 volts and then only recharged itself to 2 volts.
>>>
>>> Not bad.
>>
>> It's more of a worry in capacitor-based A/D converters. Dual ramp and
>> quad ramp schemes come to mind. Not all that clearly - that was back in
>> 1979. Going from a Mylar to polycarbonate dielectric got the soak down
>> far enough to make it tolerable.
> 
> I remember dual-slope ADCs. I designed a few. Very long ago. IC adc's
> are dirt cheap now and super accurate. 24 bits for $2.

Sigma delta parts. Back when I last used one, in 1993, it spat out 
24-bits - three bytes - but the accuracy spec was 20-bit. There were 
more precise versions around but they weren't dirt cheap.

Sloman A.W., Buggs P., Molloy J., and Stewart D. “A 
microcontroller-based driver to stabilise the temperature of an optical 
stage to 1mK in the range 4C to 38C, using a Peltier heat pump and a 
thermistor sensor” Measurement Science and Technology, 7 1653-64 (1996)

> The caps that people can make inside ICs are about the best caps that
> are possible.

If a little too small for you application.

-- 
Bill Sloman. Sydney

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