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Re: "Procedure" tomorrow

From "Carl Ijames" <Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: "Procedure" tomorrow
Date 2017-03-18 14:05 -0400
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"Jeff Liebermann"  wrote in message 
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:22:18 -0400, "Carl Ijames"
<Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net> wrote:

>"rickman"  wrote in message news:oai9hq$ifc$2@dont-email.me...

>I wonder how a balloon is supposed to decimate stones?  For kidney
>stones they use shocks of high intensity ultrasound.
>Rick C

My guess(tm) is that the balloon dilates the bile duct sufficiently to
all the stone(s) to pass normally.

>Mine were shadowed so twice now they have gone in with an endoscope through
>the bladder and up to the kidney, put the end against the stone, and 
>blasted
>away with a pulsed laser to break up the stone.

I had laser lithotripsy for kidney stones.  Plenty of problems.
Looking through an endoscope at the end of a catheter, the kidney is a
large volume with many places for a stone to hide.  Just finding the
stone was a problem.  Once located, they were shattered by the laser,
and were suppose to make a graceful exit through the ureter.  Nope.
The edges of the broken kidney stones were rather jagged, causing the
debris to get stuck in the ureter.  The official term is
"steinstrasse" or "stone street" which is what it resembles on an
x-ray.  It took 9 painful days to finally break loose the log jam.
Most such procedures are not this ugly.

Some of the debris:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/stones.html>

Gall stones are rather larger and often fill the gall bladder.  For
example:
<http://greaterorlandogi.com/wp-content/uploads/Gallstones.jpg>

Hopefully, Jim will not need to go through that ordeal.

-- 
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558
========================================================

I wondered about trying to "lead" them out with a balloon, but that just 
didn't sound promising and he did say "decimate".  Maybe he will tell us 
more when he posts again?

After the laser, did your surgeon use a basket to fish out the big pieces? 
My stones were 9x10x11 mm and about 5x5x7 mm, neither of which were ever 
going to pass without surgery, and I never noticed anything passing 
afterwards so I assumed that whatever the surgeon didn't fish out with the 
basket was some pretty fine sand.  Certainly nothing as large as what's in 
your picture.  I had a CAT scan before each procedure to precisely locate 
the stone, and luckily neither moved in the few days between scan and 
removal.  For me the worst part was the stent they put in the ureter 
(between kidney and bladder) so it doesn't collapse from inflammation. 
Think of a coffee stirrer about 10" long, pushed all the up to the kidney 
and with the excess length coiled up in the bladder so it can't some out. 
It stays in 7-10 days then they go up you-know-where, grab it, and pull it 
out, all with no anesthetic.  The first time it felt like they went in with 
a hot poker.  When he went in I clenched so bad I was only touching the 
table with my shoulders and my heels, my butt was about 6" up in the air. 
He kept telling me to relax and lay back down, but I convinced him that I 
was now rigid and not going to move and JUST PULL IT OUT NOW!!!!!!  The 
second time they agreed to knock me out with a quick hit of anesthesia, 
which cost the insurance company and I more but made life so much better.  I 
had maybe one or two days of discomfort after each stone from inflammation 
but every time I've had a tube in there I get an infection - one Foley 
catheter and two endoscopic lithotripsies, 3 for 3 now.  I keep telling my 
urologist he needs to wash his hands before starting, but ... :-)  First two 
infections required two courses of oral antibiotics each, and one emergency 
room visit when I waited a day too long to see if the second oral antibiotic 
was going to work.  The last time I did a week of cipro before hand to 
prevent an infection, and it didn't matter.  This time it was a resistant 
strain so I had the choice of staying in the hospital 10 days just to get IV 
antibiotics, or get a PICC line put in and give myself IV's at home.  It was 
cool getting the PICC line put in.  It goes into an artery in the bicep, 
across into the aorta, and down to just above the heart.  The tip has 
something which they can track with a coil they rest on your chest, with the 
position displayed on a computer monitor like a video game.  They can steer 
the tip to get it into the right place, then they pull the locator tip out 
of the tube leaving it ready for use.  I was expecting the usual peristaltic 
pump but they had a much simpler, more reliable arrangement.  Each dose was 
inside a tubular balloon about 1/2" diameter and 3" long, inside another 
balloon about 4" diameter inflated with some gas, air or nitrogen probably. 
Connect up the tubing, release the valve, and over 20-40 minutes the 
balloons deflate as the dose is delivered.  Disconnect when done, cap the 
tube and tie it back down to the bicep for safety, and throw away the dead 
balloon.  A home nurse came by a few times to train me, sterilize and check 
the PICC where it entered the skin, and to remove it at the end, but overall 
it was no problem.

Hopefully you and I will never have another kidney stone or move up to 
gallstones :-).

-----
Regards,
Carl Ijames

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OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-14 18:58 -0700
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-14 22:32 -0400
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-14 21:53 -0700
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 10:08 +0000
  Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-03-14 22:40 -0400
  Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-14 22:47 -0400
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-14 22:24 -0700
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-15 02:22 -0400
        Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow pedro <me@privacy.net> - 2017-03-16 00:15 +0800
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-15 14:18 -0400
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-16 16:50 -0400
        Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-16 22:22 -0400
          Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 00:46 +0000
            Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-17 22:47 -0400
              Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 11:34 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 09:47 -0400
              Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 07:35 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 10:50 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 16:04 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 12:54 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-03-18 09:58 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:04 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 13:11 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 13:17 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:56 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:09 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 13:23 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 22:56 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 16:15 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:19 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 09:07 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:23 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 19:22 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 19:25 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 20:25 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-22 22:21 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:13 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:03 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:19 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:50 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 14:58 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:42 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:03 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:19 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:22 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:07 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:11 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 07:59 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:02 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 15:31 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 00:06 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:34 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:20 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:28 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:09 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:11 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:03 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 08:24 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-26 01:26 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 23:30 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 00:09 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:13 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:21 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:26 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:04 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 06:33 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-26 15:36 +0100
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:50 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:32 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 09:46 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 18:08 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:29 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:11 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 08:03 +0100
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:45 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:06 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:13 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-02 00:57 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-04 21:42 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-04 19:45 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:21 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:12 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 23:49 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 01:58 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-02 20:24 +0100
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:43 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:15 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-25 13:42 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:14 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:48 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 14:15 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:05 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:05 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-18 17:45 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 20:51 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 18:34 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 23:50 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-19 14:36 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 18:21 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-19 15:31 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 23:09 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:53 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:15 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-21 16:27 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:38 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 09:16 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-19 13:07 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-19 19:54 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-20 01:35 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:22 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 13:06 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 10:48 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 20:21 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:16 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-20 20:59 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 20:23 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 17:19 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-21 18:11 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 19:37 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-21 20:38 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 20:25 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-22 20:17 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-22 18:10 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-23 06:42 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 12:45 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:34 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:24 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 20:17 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 10:33 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:55 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:00 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:58 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:03 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-24 23:46 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:23 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 08:16 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 13:29 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 09:43 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 07:06 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 18:05 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-25 19:37 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 23:38 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 23:49 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 10:50 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-26 04:46 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-25 20:25 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 20:21 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:37 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-25 17:45 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 17:20 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:37 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:46 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-25 17:07 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:19 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 20:49 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:49 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-23 20:44 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 15:31 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:25 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-03-24 11:02 +0100
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:07 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 07:39 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:52 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:16 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-26 00:01 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:17 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-24 08:20 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 18:09 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:26 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:52 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:18 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:17 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-26 08:02 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:41 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 01:56 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-02 14:50 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:01 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-24 09:08 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-24 22:26 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-24 23:14 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-25 03:36 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 14:51 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-26 02:03 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:18 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:00 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-26 13:42 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-02 02:01 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-21 19:28 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-20 01:41 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-20 13:07 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-20 17:05 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:46 -0400
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 14:22 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 15:51 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 09:08 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:30 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-19 18:30 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:18 -0700
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 17:29 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-19 20:03 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-19 23:14 +0000
                Re: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-19 19:17 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 20:03 -0400
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-19 14:15 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 10:05 -0700
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-18 14:16 -0400
            Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 09:49 -0400
              Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-18 13:53 +0000
                Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-18 12:55 -0400
  Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-14 22:22 -0700
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-14 23:23 -0700
  Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-15 06:54 -0500
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-15 13:07 +0000
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 11:43 -0700
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-15 19:38 +0000
  Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-03-16 10:29 -0400
    Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-16 09:40 -0700
      Re: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-19 14:55 -0400
  Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 23:31 -0400
    Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Carl Ijames" <Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net> - 2017-03-18 09:22 -0400
      Re: "Procedure" tomorrow Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-03-18 10:08 -0700
        Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Carl Ijames" <Xcarl.ijamesY@Zverizon.net> - 2017-03-18 14:05 -0400
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 06:12 -0700
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 03:45 -0700
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 12:39 -0500
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 10:49 -0700
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 23:13 -0700
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-20 21:13 -0400
  Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-20 18:08 -0700
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-03-20 20:12 -0500
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-03-20 20:00 -0700
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-03-20 23:50 -0400
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-03-20 22:58 -0700
      Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 08:34 -0700
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-03-20 23:14 -0700
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-21 08:19 -0700
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 07:59 +0000
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-21 08:58 -0700
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 12:37 -0400
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 23:39 +0000
        Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 11:12 -0700
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:54 -0400
    Re: "Procedure" tomorrow "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 19:17 +0000
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:24 +0000
      Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-21 17:08 -0400
        Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-21 20:35 -0400
      Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-21 19:32 -0700
      Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-22 08:37 -0700
        Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-22 22:33 +0000
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:28 -0400
    Re: OT:  "Procedure" tomorrow Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-03-21 21:14 -0400
    Re: OT: "Procedure" tomorrow "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-23 15:57 -0400

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