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| From | "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Choke winding question |
| Date | 2017-03-15 22:56 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <oad27b$92f$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <oabn87$5ag$1@dont-email.me> |
Saturation occurs at the same N*I for a given core shape and size, independent of gap*. *Not quite independent due to fringing, but in the small-gap limit, this works. Physically, this is because Ae is the same, and you can only pack so much flux density Bsat into the core. Bsat (== Vs/mm^2) * Ae (== mm^2) == Vs (flux, integral V dt applied to the core). The average (or effective) permeability that's best depends on a number of optimization factors, but it's in the 20-60 range. The lower A_L cores in that selection will have this property. As you note, lower mu_eff is higher energy (because the energy is stored in the air gap, which is larger), but harder to wind (takes more copper for the same losses). (If we had superconductors, a very low mu_eff would be manageable, and we could do air-core inductors without worry.) Tim -- Seven Transistor Labs, LLC Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com "Clive Arthur" <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote in message news:oabn87$5ag$1@dont-email.me... >I was using a Ferroxcube calculator to work out some choke windings. These >have to be multiple RM12, about 5mH and 2.5A DC, so I was looking at the >maximum inductance before saturation for different cores. > > A 400nH core means 4 series cores each with 57 turns giving 1.3uH each. > or 3 x 250nH cores with 89 turns, 2000uH each > or 10 x 1000nH cores with 22 turns, 500uH each. > > The 400nH cores are probably best, 89 turns won't fit with reasonably > thick wire and 10 cores is painful. > > However - it seems that the /total/ number of turns is about constant. Is > that a rule of thumb, just normal or just lucky? > > Cheers > -- > Clive
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Choke winding question Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 15:42 +0000
Re: Choke winding question Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-15 09:48 -0700
Re: Choke winding question Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 17:03 +0000
Re: Choke winding question John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-15 10:29 -0700
Re: Choke winding question Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-15 11:37 -0700
Re: Choke winding question Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 22:02 +0000
Re: Choke winding question Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-15 15:16 -0700
Re: Choke winding question Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 23:36 +0000
Re: Choke winding question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:41 -0400
Re: Choke winding question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 19:28 -0700
Re: Choke winding question bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-15 20:12 -0700
Re: Choke winding question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:00 -0400
Re: Choke winding question Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 09:03 +0000
Re: Choke winding question Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-16 05:56 -0700
Re: Choke winding question bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-16 09:42 -0700
Re: Choke winding question legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2017-03-15 19:23 -0400
Re: Choke winding question "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-15 22:56 -0500
Re: Choke winding question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 22:30 -0700
Re: Choke winding question "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-03-16 15:08 -0500
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