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Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter

From David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter
Date 2017-03-09 16:30 +0000
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John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> writes:


>The old disk meters were very accurate for sinewave loads, at any
>power factor. In fact, it's hard to design an electronic meter as good
>as the old disks, one that will pass ANSI C12. About the only spec
>that's easier for an electronic meter to pass is tilt sensitivity.

>I'm sure any smart meter has to be lab tested to C12 levels. Mine
>were.

>The mechanical meters were better for stuff like lightning strikes,
>too.

>Mathematically, as long as the voltage waveform remains sinusoidal,
>there is no energy in the current harmonics.


But the issue at hand is all about non-sinusoidal waveforms, is
it not?  Does C12 even cover such? It's only recently that such
have predominated in resi loads.

[A friend got dragged into mess at a cement plant. His gadget
depended on zero crossing detection. There was a mixer with a
VFD; said mixer was a several thousand horsepower motor. At
some speeds, it took such big chunks out of the plant feed that
"zero" was not where it should be....]


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Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2017-03-06 17:25 +0000
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 10:29 -0800
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-06 14:10 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 14:21 -0800
        Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-06 18:20 -0500
          Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 16:35 -0800
            Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-06 19:53 -0500
              Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 17:08 -0800
                Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-07 13:05 -0500
                Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-07 10:43 -0800
                Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-07 14:21 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 18:36 -0800
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 14:52 -0500
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-03-06 12:04 -0800
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 15:15 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-06 14:28 -0600
        Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 16:41 -0800
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-03-06 14:26 -0600
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-06 15:30 -0500
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-06 15:28 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:04 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-03-06 16:22 -0800
        Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2017-03-09 16:03 +0000
          Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Wim Ton <wim.ton@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 12:39 -0800
          Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-09 15:46 -0800
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter TTman <pcw1.cad@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-06 21:48 +0000
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-06 14:32 -0800
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2017-03-09 16:30 +0000
        Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-03-09 12:27 -0800
          Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-03-09 15:43 -0500
            Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Wim Ton <wim.ton@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 12:49 -0800
              Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-03-11 11:11 -0500
                Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Wim Ton <wim.ton@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 12:28 -0800
            Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 12:59 -0800
              Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-03-11 17:38 -0500
                Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 15:04 -0800
        Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Wim Ton <wim.ton@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 12:47 -0800
    Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-03-08 20:05 -0500
      Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 17:42 -0800
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 17:53 -0800
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-07 17:58 +0000
  Re: Trust your what-hour err watt hour meter Anthony Stewart <tony.sunnysky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 15:31 -0800

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