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Re: LTspice Loafing?

From Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: LTspice Loafing?
Date 2017-03-10 19:06 +0100
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Am 10.03.2017 um 17:20 schrieb John Larkin:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 04:51:03 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann
> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote:

>>
>> LTspice 4:  Linux, virtual Win7 machine  VMware Workstation 12: 42 sec
>> same machine in a Linux window LTspice4 with wine under Linux:  22 sec
>>
>> Machine is a Dell Precision "portable Workstation"  3.5 years old.
>> "portable" has to be taken with a grain of salt. 240W power supply.

>
>
> On my Dell, that sim runs about 10% slower if I plot the waveform
> during the run. I can imagine that PCs with slow graphics could take a
> bigger hit. Do VMs add graphics overhead?

I suppose they do. There must be a lot of exchanging graphics state
when switching tasks and there must be a lot of task switches; when I
move the cursor from a win7 window to the Linux table top: that looks
harmless, but someone has to decide now which operating system has to
react on the next click. And that click could trigger actions is a
3D game or 3D layout in Altium Designer.

I also think that the 2nd  2560*144 pixel monitor attached to my laptop
slows things down, somewhat. Waveform was ON in my test.



> We once rented a compute farm from Amazon to run a slow sim. It wasn't
> any faster than our 4-core Dells.

Spice is well-known for being hard to parallelize. It has been tried
over and over again. It is not even really floating-point limited.
There has been H-spice on the Cray trying to vectorize it. Do you
remember all those Weitek/NS32032 coprocessor boards that were sold
as Spice accelerators? No one ever made a breakthrough.

Gerhard

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LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 03:29 -0500
  Re: LTspice Loafing? Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2017-03-09 11:37 +0100
    Re: LTspice Loafing? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-09 09:53 -0500
      Re: LTspice Loafing? makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-03-09 07:03 -0800
        Re: LTspice Loafing? Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-03-11 01:01 +0000
        Re: LTspice Loafing? tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 08:59 -0700
      Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 09:34 -0800
        Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:11 -0500
      Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 11:33 -0800
        Re: LTspice Loafing? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-09 14:53 -0600
          Re: LTspice Loafing? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-09 13:42 -0800
            Re: LTspice Loafing? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-03-09 16:49 -0700
              Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-10 10:25 +0000
            Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-10 04:51 +0100
              Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 08:20 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-10 19:06 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-10 10:42 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-03-10 20:29 -0600
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 08:55 +0000
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 08:46 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 08:45 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 17:11 +0000
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 09:39 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-11 18:16 +0000
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-11 11:04 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-10 22:56 +0000
                Re: LTspice Loafing? Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2017-03-13 06:54 +0100
        Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 17:39 -0500
        Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:01 -0500
          Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 15:49 -0800
            Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 19:07 -0500
              Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 16:13 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 20:25 -0500
                Re: LTspice Loafing? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-09 19:11 -0800
                Re: LTspice Loafing? Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2017-03-10 10:24 -0800
            Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-12 23:32 -0400
        Re: LTspice Loafing? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2017-03-10 00:03 -0500
          Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 01:02 -0700
            Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:14 +0100
              Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 17:38 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-17 09:54 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 11:55 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:20 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 14:22 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 19:16 +0100
              Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 12:09 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:19 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-17 14:14 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 19:14 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-18 14:04 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 08:45 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-19 00:35 -0500
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-19 05:28 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 14:00 +0100
                Re: LTspice Loafing? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-19 10:35 -0700
                Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 20:29 +0100
        Re: LTspice Loafing? John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-10 07:19 +0000
    Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 13:23 -0500
  Re: LTspice Loafing? bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-09 03:15 -0800
    Re: LTspice Loafing? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-03-09 20:12 +0000
      Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 17:47 -0500
      Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:09 -0500
        Re: LTspice Loafing? Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2017-03-10 01:00 +0100
          Re: LTspice Loafing? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 19:52 -0500
  Re: LTspice Loafing? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 18:23 -0500

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