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| Subject | Re: really bad oscillators |
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| From | bitrex <user@example.net> |
| Message-ID | <RLduD.95331$MJ2.86285@fx12.iad> (permalink) |
| Organization | frugalusenet - www.frugalusenet.com |
| Date | 2018-10-06 21:59 -0400 |
On 10/06/2018 01:33 PM, John Larkin wrote: > > > A timestamper is a circuit that latches the time of arrival of a pulse > edge. We use a clock and a binary counter as MC, the master counter > definition of time. We extend those MC bits down into picoseconds with > a time interpolator, adding 8 to 12 bits below the counter LSB. > > One way to test a time stamper is to stamp pulses that are random in > time, and then histogram/analyze the codes. That can catch all sorts > of nasties, like stuck or shorted bits or interpolator problems; we've > done the math on that. In the test set that I'm designing, I want a > simple but really bad pulse generator, maybe around 1 MHz with tons of > period jitter, to get good statistics and never alias against the > master clock. Aliasing can make really weird histograms. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv6dqeffxrkmca3/Timestamp_Noisy_Osc.jpg?raw=1 > > The single inverting schmitt oscillator is probably good enough, but > it's fun to consider other really nasty oscillators. A bad power > supply will only help. > > We have an FPGA, so I guess we could build a pseudorandom bit stream, > filter that a little, and use that to confuse a schmitt oscillator. > The kids might enjoy programming that. > > Chua's circuit is the textbook chaotic oscillator: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chua%27s_circuit> Adding a single capacitor to the usual "blocking oscillator" can make a chaotic oscillator: "The output signal of such chaotic oscillator is a series of short term pulses characterized by chaotic fluctuations of time intervals between pulses. Such chaotic pulse signals possess a broad-band continuous power spectrum and short correlation length." (PDF) Generation of broad-band chaos using blocking oscillator. Available from: <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3323718_Generation_of_broad-band_chaos_using_blocking_oscillator> Two sheet-beam tube oscillators, each configured as self-oscillating singly-balanced mixers, cross coupled to each other would probably make a pretty crappy oscillator
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really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:33 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2018-10-06 12:51 -0500
Re: really bad oscillators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 15:16 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 15:52 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2018-10-06 22:55 -0500
Re: really bad oscillators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2018-10-06 11:33 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 11:35 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:49 +0000
Re: really bad oscillators Steve Wilson <9fe142ac@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 11:50 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 12:13 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 15:55 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-06 21:28 +0200
Re: really bad oscillators Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2018-10-06 21:35 +0200
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 16:01 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-06 21:59 -0400
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 08:05 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-07 23:04 -0400
Re: really bad oscillators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 21:10 -0700
Re: really bad oscillators bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-07 23:12 -0400
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