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  LA3607 likely fakes asdf <asdf@nospam.com> - 2016-12-27 22:05 +0000
    Re: LA3607 likely fakes John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2016-12-27 14:50 -0800
    Re: LA3607 likely fakes Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-27 17:58 -0500
      Re: LA3607 likely fakes asdf <asdf@nospam.com> - 2016-12-27 23:31 +0000
        Re: LA3607 likely fakes John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2016-12-27 18:41 -0800
          Re: LA3607 likely fakes asdf <asdf@nospam.com> - 2016-12-28 12:07 +0000

#6064 — LA3607 likely fakes

I was just to order some LA3607 graphic equalizer chips from this
seller (have other stuff in the cart from them) when realized
that the chips in the photo are almost 100% fakes: there are 
traces of use on the left chip pins, and the one on the right
shows clear signs of sanding to remove previous labeling
before applying the new one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182324727078

I'm tempted to tell the seller, just to see how they react:)

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#6065

On 2016/12/27 2:05 PM, asdf wrote:
> I was just to order some LA3607 graphic equalizer chips from this
> seller (have other stuff in the cart from them) when realized
> that the chips in the photo are almost 100% fakes: there are
> traces of use on the left chip pins, and the one on the right
> shows clear signs of sanding to remove previous labeling
> before applying the new one.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/182324727078
>
> I'm tempted to tell the seller, just to see how they react:)
>

These days I test a sampling of chips when I order from anyone other 
than Digikey (Mouser, etc.). There are a LOT of fakes out there. You are 
correct though, these look faker than most. No manufacturers mark, 
imperfect plastic body, and the printing looks inferior to most 
industrial parts too.

John :-#(#

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#6066

In article <o3uojp$1v59$1@gioia.aioe.org>, asdf@nospam.com says...
> 
> I was just to order some LA3607 graphic equalizer chips from this
> seller (have other stuff in the cart from them) when realized
> that the chips in the photo are almost 100% fakes: there are 
> traces of use on the left chip pins, and the one on the right
> shows clear signs of sanding to remove previous labeling
> before applying the new one.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/182324727078
> 
> I'm tempted to tell the seller, just to see how they react:)


It seems that many ICs and simiconductors from China off ebay are fakes 
or do not work.  Local ham ordered 8 RF transistors and they were all 
bad.

I have ordered many of the small devices for a few dollars each that are 
made of the China parts and they seem to work. 

Seems like China items are a real crap shoot.  I have 2 different brands 
of the handi talkies and they both work well, same as about 20 others 
that I know of. Some of their other ham radios either do not work 
exectally right or quit after a year or so.

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#6067

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:58:51 -0500, Ralph Mowery wrote:

> It seems that many ICs and simiconductors from China off ebay are fakes
> or do not work.  Local ham ordered 8 RF transistors and they were all
> bad.

Case in point: 2SC1969 and 2SC1971 They're very well known power RF
transistors for HF and VHF which are not cheap, but Chinese sellers offer
their fakes for less than 1/10 of their cost from reputable sources.
Chips such as the NE5532 are counterfeit too, whoever buys them from 
Chinese suppliers basically gets relabeled TL072s if he is lucky.

> I have ordered many of the small devices for a few dollars each that are
> made of the China parts and they seem to work.

I can confirm that. Batches of cheap ICs/Transistors etc. are almost
certainly fakes, while modules and small devices usually do work.
I've bought amplifiers, testers, uC modules etc and never encountered
a problem, but try to stay away from active components, save for
those that are so cheap that faking them isn't economically
convenient anymore (LEDs, drivers etc).

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#6068

On 2016/12/27 3:31 PM, asdf wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:58:51 -0500, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>
>> It seems that many ICs and simiconductors from China off ebay are fakes
>> or do not work.  Local ham ordered 8 RF transistors and they were all
>> bad.
>
> Case in point: 2SC1969 and 2SC1971 They're very well known power RF
> transistors for HF and VHF which are not cheap, but Chinese sellers offer
> their fakes for less than 1/10 of their cost from reputable sources.
> Chips such as the NE5532 are counterfeit too, whoever buys them from
> Chinese suppliers basically gets relabeled TL072s if he is lucky.
>
>> I have ordered many of the small devices for a few dollars each that are
>> made of the China parts and they seem to work.
>
> I can confirm that. Batches of cheap ICs/Transistors etc. are almost
> certainly fakes, while modules and small devices usually do work.
> I've bought amplifiers, testers, uC modules etc and never encountered
> a problem, but try to stay away from active components, save for
> those that are so cheap that faking them isn't economically
> convenient anymore (LEDs, drivers etc).
>

Oddly enough, some of the obsolete parts I have bought off eBay from 
Chinese sources have been authentic. Mind you the ICs were very specific 
in design and pretty much impossible to fake (had a socket built into 
the top of the IC, and they were also ceramic with gold legs). They came 
in factory tubes which made it easier to believe they were authentic 
when I ordered them. Buying through PayPal does give you protection 
against fakes...

I've bought parts from local electronics jobbers that turned out to be 
fakes.

There was an article in Popular Science back in the early 90s about 
counterfeit parts and the safety of aviation...so this is not a new 
problem. Heck even the Romans complained about innkeepers watering down 
the wine...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_fraud

"Let's be careful out there!"

John :-#)#
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#6069

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:41:59 -0800, John Robertson wrote:

> ... Heck even the Romans complained about innkeepers watering down
> the wine...

I'm from Rome, the wine fraud has been so popular even in recent
times that it got into a local very well known popular song.
Today in some places they do the same with beer.

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