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  Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 00:51 -0600
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 23:09 -0800
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2022-12-21 07:19 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 23:27 -0800
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Max <maxturv26@gmx.net> - 2022-12-21 13:00 +0100
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:17 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 18:06 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 05:08 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 05:00 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-21 17:11 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 20:18 +0000
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 17:25 -0600
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 17:23 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-22 01:54 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Max <maxturv26@gmx.net> - 2022-12-22 10:09 +0100
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 04:39 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-23 18:09 +0100
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-02-23 18:29 +0000
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:18 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? CRYP7010G3R <cryptologer@defcon.social> - 2023-02-23 12:39 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-23 21:42 +0100
          Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? CRYP7010G3R <cryptologer@defcon.social> - 2023-02-23 18:06 -0600
            Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-02-24 01:15 +0000
              Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-28 16:46 +0100
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2023-02-24 06:17 +0000
          Re: Hire a genuine hacker for all hacking and recovery services today daniel lamack <dlamack9090@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 00:19 -0800
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-02-23 23:26 +0100
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-24 02:05 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 14:01 -0800
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2023-03-06 06:26 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-03-21 01:18 +0100
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-21 12:13 -0700
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2023-03-22 00:47 -0500
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-03-22 09:37 +0000
          Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-22 14:10 +0100
            Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> - 2023-04-28 19:45 -0500

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#54717

On 2023-02-23 19:39, CRYP7010G3R wrote:
> On 2/23/23 11:09, Jakob Bohm wrote:
>> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> The state intelligence services have a unwritten policy of disruption of 
> all independent communications and media. Likely the usual trolls and 
> sock puppets either went on vacation, quit, died, or got re-assigned to 
> some other disruption operation. The black hat hacker groups were 
> probably given instructions to spam their services to pick up the slack 
> for unabated disruption.
> 
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> Seldomly. But yes.
> 
>> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little 
>> content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the 
>> community alive?
> 
> Most of the spam is coming from corporate binary access providers. They 
> work hand in glove with the intelligence organs to maintain 24/7 
> surveillance, annoyance and disruption of all independent communication 
> networks. Where the organs can't maintain total information control they 
> maintain total disruption and disinformation to keep normal people 
> repulsed from the target medium. They have used black hat hacker groups 
> for such purposes as a matter of routine. Once a black hat gets busted 
> and pinched up with charges, they usually offer a deal of permanent 
> employment in the intelligence internet activities, or very lengthy 
> prison terms for those who won't cut the deal. Almost everyone takes the 
> deal, does a short stint in the clink, then comes out to work as a 
> semi-freelance informant or troll for the state intelligence organs.
> 

What a load of conspirational thinking with no facts to back it up.

>> Enjoy
>>
>> Jakob
> 
> It is not too hard to defeat the spam. You may add a filter to your 
> newsreader that automatically deletes all messages with "google" in the 
> "Path" header. Most of the spam will then be deleted before you ever see 
> it.
> 

Unfortunately, the independent fork of Thunderbird doesn't allow
filtering on the Path header, I was hoping someone upstream of me and
most sci.cryptp participants could cut off the feed from Google until
they clean up their act, perhaps as was historically done against
CompuServe and UUNET when they were being similarly harmful.

> 
> If a spammer uses a free provider I report it to their abuse department 
> immediately. This is rare because the spammers know they will be shut 
> down. If you really want to defeat spam and trolls just filter out all 
> paths from the corporate binary Usenet providers. You'll delete some 
> small number of legitimate messages, but it is what it is.

I have already tried reporting a bunch of the @gmail.com originated Spam
via Google's own interface.  It's a slow process requiring multiple
pointless web site clicks for each piece of Spam.

> 
> Here are several free Usenet providers:
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>    Eternal September       https://eternal-september.org
>    Retro BBS               https://rocksolidbbs.com
>    Nova BBS                https://novabbs.com
>    Sunsite                 http://news.sunsite.dk/ (no https)
>    DotSrc                  https://dotsrc.org/usenet/
>    NZ BBS                  http://news.bbs.nz/ (no https)
>    Blue World Hosting      https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 

SunSite.dk/SunSite.aau.dk/SunSite.auc.dk is the old name of DotSrc.org,
and has a high number of protocol errors when I use it in another role,
which is one of 3 reasons I pay for a Giganews subscription for my
office use.  The third is that according to the page you linked, they
don't currently carry the sci.* hierarchy.

Also NNTP(S) is not a variant of HTTP(S), it doesn't matter if the
provider website uses https.


Enjoy

Jakob
-- 
Jakob Bohm, CIO, Partner, WiseMo A/S.  https://www.wisemo.com
Transformervej 29, 2860 Søborg, Denmark.  Direct +45 31 13 16 10
This public discussion message is non-binding and may contain errors.
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#54723

On 2/23/23 14:42, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2023-02-23 19:39, CRYP7010G3R wrote:
>> On 2/23/23 11:09, Jakob Bohm wrote:
>>> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months 
>>>> when I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group 
>>>> abandoned? Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> The state intelligence services have a unwritten policy of disruption 
>> of all independent communications and media. Likely the usual trolls 
>> and sock puppets either went on vacation, quit, died, or got 
>> re-assigned to some other disruption operation. The black hat hacker 
>> groups were probably given instructions to spam their services to pick 
>> up the slack for unabated disruption.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>
>> Seldomly. But yes.
>>
>>> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little 
>>> content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the 
>>> community alive?
>>
>> Most of the spam is coming from corporate binary access providers. 
>> They work hand in glove with the intelligence organs to maintain 24/7 
>> surveillance, annoyance and disruption of all independent 
>> communication networks. Where the organs can't maintain total 
>> information control they maintain total disruption and disinformation 
>> to keep normal people repulsed from the target medium. They have used 
>> black hat hacker groups for such purposes as a matter of routine. Once 
>> a black hat gets busted and pinched up with charges, they usually 
>> offer a deal of permanent employment in the intelligence internet 
>> activities, or very lengthy prison terms for those who won't cut the 
>> deal. Almost everyone takes the deal, does a short stint in the clink, 
>> then comes out to work as a semi-freelance informant or troll for the 
>> state intelligence organs.
>>
> 
> What a load of conspirational thinking with no facts to back it up.

Yeah, I'll get to work right away writing a doctoral dissertation on it, 
to prove every little point in 500 pages of boilerplate and citations, 
just for you! And you'll read the first paragraph of the abstract and 
assert that nothing in the dissertation can be true, right?

But since you like to arrogantly assert the charge of "conspiratorial 
thinking" with no facts to back up your charge, you can read these articles.

Behaviors observed by disinformation and disruption agents are codified 
in this article:

The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies : COINTELPRO Techniques for 
dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

"There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a 
internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each 
technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can 
be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled 
forum.' .......... Remember these techniques are only effective if the 
forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these 
techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become 
uncontrolled."

Edward Snowden revealed some information on these disruption activities:

THE WORST SNOWDEN REVELATION OF THEM ALL: DIGITAL COINTELPRO
https://popularresistance.org/the-worst-snowden-revelation-of-them-all-digital-cointelpro/

"Cass Sunstein, President Obama’s close advisor and head of a commission 
to “reform” the NSA, has long advocated infiltrating online communities 
devoted to supposedly dangerous “conspiracy theories,” and otherwise 
steering online discourse in a more pro-government direction – and it 
looks like his ideas are being put into practice. The new documents 
promise a “full rollout complete by early 2013,” with “500+ GCHQ 
analysts” on the job – and how many from the NSA and US law enforcement 
agencies?"

If you think random hackers are sending a flood of spam advertisements 
to sci.crypt because they expect for one second they are going to get a 
customer, you're not doing field analysis. It's a digital disruption 
campaign. The spam is the point. Wilful ignorance won't make it go away.

Online searches for these subjects will reveal information about their 
disruption campaign components:

- Digital COINTELPRO
- PRISM
- JTRIG
- IIA (Internet Influence Activities)
- ShadowNet
- Operation Glowing Symphony
- Internet Magicians

Glenn Greenwald, the Author who broke the Snowden leaks, has written 
reams about these kinds of disruption activities carried out by numerous 
government intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

Many leaked documents detail anti-hacktivist campaigns, industrial 
espionage campaigns, character assassination campaigns, confusion and 
distraction campaigns, all being done under the aegis of government 
agencies. But none of that exists because you said the magic word, 
"conspiratorial."

The Secret Service is one of many agencies that routinely prosecute 
black hats. They offer plea deals to the blackhats to have them work as 
disruption and espionage informants. They even had some of these types 
illegally employed in the Silk Road case, working an illegal parallel 
construction to set up Ross Ulbricht while the other insiders got away 
free. Several Federal agents working that case were prosecuted and sent 
to prison for their illegal activities in the case. Meanwhile the real 
villains in the Silk Road case, some Federal agency insiders, sat back 
and enjoyed their tidy profits.

But just say the word, "conspiracy" and none of that matters!

>>> Enjoy
>>>
>>> Jakob
>>
>> It is not too hard to defeat the spam. You may add a filter to your 
>> newsreader that automatically deletes all messages with "google" in 
>> the "Path" header. Most of the spam will then be deleted before you 
>> ever see it.
>>
> 
> Unfortunately, the independent fork of Thunderbird doesn't allow
> filtering on the Path header, I was hoping someone upstream of me and
> most sci.cryptp participants could cut off the feed from Google until
> they clean up their act, perhaps as was historically done against
> CompuServe and UUNET when they were being similarly harmful.

Will the whole world upstream for you jump to and grant your wish?

If your news agent won't let you implement a proper spam filter, get 
another news agent and stop being irascible. Instead of adapting your 
tool, you expect some random upstream strangers to move the entire 
Internet for your little self. I told you how to solve your problem and 
now you want to propose little omnipotent wishes that will make everyone 
else solve your problem for you.

>> If a spammer uses a free provider I report it to their abuse 
>> department immediately. This is rare because the spammers know they 
>> will be shut down. If you really want to defeat spam and trolls just 
>> filter out all paths from the corporate binary Usenet providers. 
>> You'll delete some small number of legitimate messages, but it is what 
>> it is.
> 
> I have already tried reporting a bunch of the @gmail.com originated Spam
> via Google's own interface.  It's a slow process requiring multiple
> pointless web site clicks for each piece of Spam.

I didn't say to report spam to google. I suggested that you to blacklist 
google, then report any spam to the other free providers that might be 
used as origin by the spammer. Not only do you have infantile 
expectations that the universe and everyone in it will block spam for 
you, so you don't have to change to better software--you also have 
reading comprehension problems.

>> Here are several free Usenet providers:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>    Eternal September       https://eternal-september.org
>>    Retro BBS               https://rocksolidbbs.com
>>    Nova BBS                https://novabbs.com
>>    Sunsite                 http://news.sunsite.dk/ (no https)
>>    DotSrc                  https://dotsrc.org/usenet/
>>    NZ BBS                  http://news.bbs.nz/ (no https)
>>    Blue World Hosting      https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com/
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> 
> SunSite.dk/SunSite.aau.dk/SunSite.auc.dk is the old name of DotSrc.org,
> and has a high number of protocol errors when I use it in another role,
> which is one of 3 reasons I pay for a Giganews subscription for my
> office use.  The third is that according to the page you linked, they
> don't currently carry the sci.* hierarchy.

"... when I use it in another role ..." So you're a nym-shifting troll? 
Gravy. No wonder you have comprehension problems.

Did you try the other providers, sparky? Everything is all about you and 
your convenience, isn't it? Two of the providers I listed carry almost 
every known text group.

> Also NNTP(S) is not a variant of HTTP(S), it doesn't matter if the
> provider website uses https.

Wow. Your obliviousness to reality is astounding. Have you been drinking 
much today?

Look at the list again. The list has HTTP URLs, not NNTP URLs. Your 
mention of NNTP links is irrelevant. They are links to web pages. They 
are not NNTP server addresses.

The "no https" info was provided because they are HTTP links to HTTP 
pages. Two of them have no HTTPS certificates, so the info in 
parenthesis says, "no https." They are not NNTP links. You are trying to 
act smart when you're just proving you have problems with reading 
comprehension.

All people make mistakes and all people have moments of inattention. But 
when that inattention appears to be a character trait we have a failure 
to communicate.

-- 

CRYP7010G3R - https://defcon.social/@cryptologer

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#54724

On 24/02/2023 12:06 am, CRYP7010G3R wrote:
> On 2/23/23 14:42, Jakob Bohm wrote:

<snip>

>>
>> What a load of conspirational thinking with no facts to back it 
>> up.
> 
> Yeah, I'll get to work right away writing a doctoral dissertation 
> on it

Guys, adding noise doesn't help the S/N ratio one little bit.

Has either one of you even bothered to glance at the only actual 
crypto to appear in this thread so far?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#54777

On 2023-02-24 02:15, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/02/2023 12:06 am, CRYP7010G3R wrote:
>> On 2/23/23 14:42, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>>
>>> What a load of conspirational thinking with no facts to back it up.
>>
>> Yeah, I'll get to work right away writing a doctoral dissertation on it
> 
> Guys, adding noise doesn't help the S/N ratio one little bit.
> 
> Has either one of you even bothered to glance at the only actual crypto 
> to appear in this thread so far?
> 

Yep, I even replied to one of those posts asking for more information.

Note to CRYP7010G3R:

I know that lots of bad stuff is being done by rogue intelligence
services.  A list of all their crimes (related or not) is not a
relevant answer to any questions if a particular action is theirs.

As to my other role, that role still uses my real name, but a
different e-mail server and Organization header.

Enjoy

Jakob
-- 
Jakob Bohm, CIO, Partner, WiseMo A/S.  https://www.wisemo.com
Transformervej 29, 2860 Søborg, Denmark.  Direct +45 31 13 16 10
This public discussion message is non-binding and may contain errors.
WiseMo - Remote Service Management for PCs, Phones and Embedded

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#54726

On a sunny day (Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:39:11 -0600) it happened CRYP7010G3R
<cryptologer@defcon.social> wrote in <tt8bnr$33gcl$1@paganini.bofh.team>:

>If a spammer uses a free provider I report it to their abuse department 
>immediately. This is rare because the spammers know they will be shut 
>down. If you really want to defeat spam and trolls just filter out all 
>paths from the corporate binary Usenet providers. You'll delete some 
>small number of legitimate messages, but it is what it is.
>
>Here are several free Usenet providers:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>   Eternal September       https://eternal-september.org
>   Retro BBS               https://rocksolidbbs.com
>   Nova BBS                https://novabbs.com
>   Sunsite                 http://news.sunsite.dk/ (no https)
>   DotSrc                  https://dotsrc.org/usenet/
>   NZ BBS                  http://news.bbs.nz/ (no https)
>   Blue World Hosting      https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>There are more free providers than in this list. I don't feel like 
>digging them up right now. If anyone else knows any please post them in 
>reply.

See my headers.
You need to register by asking for a password via email.

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#54720

On 23.02.2023 18:09, Jakob Bohm wrote:

>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
>> are the trolls spamming it?
>> 
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?


> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little
> content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the community
> alive?

I don't think that this is real spam but I suppose it is a single
troll (or the bot of a troll) who tries to make the group unreadable.
But it doesn't matter, usenet is already dead, and there is no big
difference whether there are no postings at all or only crap postings
of a troll.

But to be on-topic: http://ikomi.de/qr.mp4

And the password is "The quick brown fox jump"

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#54725

Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> writes:

> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I
>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
>> are the trolls spamming it?
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>> 
>
> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little content,
> anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the community alive?

Posting on-topic material is the only way and we all have lots of other
things to do!  I did post a challenge for the holidays and I think a
couple of people looked at it.

-- 
Ben.

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#54858

On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
> are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 

http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=d00ff4d41add6357234ce8701a54667d4f91db872898d1c6953c77bf8abfc551bbc522e6d83dd946ac5049a86706eef486a099d578e349adb4a518f032f9fd416135219bbc5fe78cd176804a32910786dc1159d551e3c0052a61576ca1b1d7b5456dfc648c9a53fd3485d16bd8a0ea864f7665a527

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#54862

On a sunny day (Sun, 5 Mar 2023 14:01:20 -0800) it happened "Chris M.
Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote in
<tu33fh$1eo3u$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
>> are the trolls spamming it?
>> 
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>> 

No

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#55214

On 2023-03-05 23:01, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>
> 
> http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=d00ff4d41add6357234ce8701a54667d4f91db872898d1c6953c77bf8abfc551bbc522e6d83dd946ac5049a86706eef486a099d578e349adb4a518f032f9fd416135219bbc5fe78cd176804a32910786dc1159d551e3c0052a61576ca1b1d7b5456dfc648c9a53fd3485d16bd8a0ea864f7665a527 
> 

Sorry, your repeated spamming of your old HMAC-cipher doesn't answer
anything.  Nor do in-jokes based on SCOS, which only a handful of group
members ever managed to implement.

Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an attack gang,
what is the alternative forum in which to publicly discuss cryptographic
ideas by westerners that are not published IACR scientists?


Enjoy

Jakob
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#55278

On 3/20/2023 5:18 PM, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2023-03-05 23:01, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>>
>>
>> http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=d00ff4d41add6357234ce8701a54667d4f91db872898d1c6953c77bf8abfc551bbc522e6d83dd946ac5049a86706eef486a099d578e349adb4a518f032f9fd416135219bbc5fe78cd176804a32910786dc1159d551e3c0052a61576ca1b1d7b5456dfc648c9a53fd3485d16bd8a0ea864f7665a527
> 
> Sorry, your repeated spamming of your old HMAC-cipher doesn't answer
> anything. 

Fwiw, at least is has all of my code. It's a very inefficient quick and 
dirty port of my experiment to JavaScript.


> Nor do in-jokes based on SCOS, which only a handful of group
> members ever managed to implement.

It took me a while to finally be able to implement SCOS for myself. It 
has a little twister in its logic...


> Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an attack gang,
> what is the alternative forum in which to publicly discuss cryptographic
> ideas by westerners that are not published IACR scientists?

Password = Anyways

http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=c29ebaa017341e7c94e9bec0fa0eedcff842e6ecc53839d10e9c88f06dd7b4f55f6e1deb33e923cf14dd0ddf90bc9d5203d224c519328efba2ee44d244d704125604bc8724494956c8c2849d9d08005c741dc11acb8b9045700df5e72091e9f48202ebd77d973e128f74f56b

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#55298

On 3/20/23 19:18, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2023-03-05 23:01, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>>
>>
>> http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=d00ff4d41add6357234ce8701a54667d4f91db872898d1c6953c77bf8abfc551bbc522e6d83dd946ac5049a86706eef486a099d578e349adb4a518f032f9fd416135219bbc5fe78cd176804a32910786dc1159d551e3c0052a61576ca1b1d7b5456dfc648c9a53fd3485d16bd8a0ea864f7665a527
> 
> Sorry, your repeated spamming of your old HMAC-cipher doesn't answer
> anything.  Nor do in-jokes based on SCOS, which only a handful of group
> members ever managed to implement.
> 
> Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an attack gang,
> what is the alternative forum in which to publicly discuss cryptographic
> ideas by westerners that are not published IACR scientists?

If you have ideas for cryptology I am willing to discuss them here on 
Usenet.

-- 

G.K.

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#55310

On 21/03/2023 12:18 am, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2023-03-05 23:01, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many 
>>> months when I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this 
>>> group abandoned? Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>>
>>
>> http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=d00ff4d41add6357234ce8701a54667d4f91db872898d1c6953c77bf8abfc551bbc522e6d83dd946ac5049a86706eef486a099d578e349adb4a518f032f9fd416135219bbc5fe78cd176804a32910786dc1159d551e3c0052a61576ca1b1d7b5456dfc648c9a53fd3485d16bd8a0ea864f7665a527
> 
> Sorry, your repeated spamming of your old HMAC-cipher doesn't answer
> anything.

Agreed. Nor do your complaints. Where is your signal?

> Nor do in-jokes based on SCOS, which only a handful of group 
> members ever managed to implement.
It was hardly difficult, my dear fellow.

> Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an 
> attack gang, what is the alternative forum in which to
> publicly discuss cryptographic ideas by westerners that are
> not published IACR scientists?
The murder is only successful if we allow it to be. Why not 
publicly discuss cryptographic ideas right here instead of 
wasting bandwidth moaning that SCOS was too complicated?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#55328

On 22.03.2023 10:37, Richard Heathfield wrote:
 > On 21/03/2023 12:18 am, Jakob Bohm wrote:

 >> Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an
 >> attack gang, what is the alternative forum in which to
 >> publicly discuss cryptographic ideas by westerners that are
 >> not published IACR scientists?

 > The murder is only successful if we allow it to be. Why not
 > publicly discuss cryptographic ideas right here instead of
 > wasting bandwidth moaning that SCOS was too complicated?

This is an unmoderated group, so you can't do anything against
the spam. And this group shouldn't exit at all because there
are sub-groups and if sub-groups are generated, the parent
group has to be deleted.

But you can cross post any article to the empty sub-group
sci.crypt.random-numbers and add a note, that every on-topic post
in this group can also be read in sci.crypt.random-numbers, but
without any spam postings. You can't use sci.crypt.research
for a cross-post, because this group is moderated with most
probably no moderator left.


=============================================================

And to stay on-topic:

Got aware that VLC can read the video file by stdin. So I
wrote a small utility to use this feature to play encrypted
video files. Download it (source included) from:

http://onlib.de/pub/pfv/pfv.zip

or execute the batch code at the end of this posting to generate
the executable pfv.exe.

There is also a demo file:

http://onlib.de/pub/pfv/demo.pfv (33 MByte)

with a few small encrypted videos embedded.

=============================================================

Privacy For Videos (aes256 encryption for videos)

This utility can be use to display encrypted videos in
combination with the VLC media player:

usage: pfv.exe number : password1 : password2 : inputfile >outputfile

password is a 43 character string with the characters A-Z a-z 0-9 / +
Any other character is ignored. If less characters are provided, the
string is padded with +. Therefore you should not use a password which
ends with a +, because, for example, the two passwords "abc" and "abc++++"
are both extended to "abc++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++"
and therefore "abc++++" is not more secure than "abc". The binary
256 bit key for aes is generated by base64 decoding the given 43
character password.

To encrypt a video file "video1.mp4" with the password "hello world"
(note: the space in the password is ignored, so "helloworld" or
"hello_world" would be the same), use:

pfv.exe :: hello world : video1.mp4 >video1.pfv

The file size of the output file is increased to a multiple
of 1 MByte.

Note: if you repeat this command, you will get a different
binary, but it still is a valid encrypted version of the video.


To decrypt this encrypted video use:

pfv.exe : hello world :: video1.pfv >video2.mp4

video1.mp4 and video2.mp4 are then identical files.


To directly play an encrypted video use:

pfv.exe : hello world :: video1.pfv | C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -


To re-encrypt a video with a different password without first
decrypting it (no decrypted version of the video is temporarily
stored on the disk), use:

pfv.exe : old password : new password : inputfile > outputfile


If you have more encrypted videos, for example:

video1.pfv (encrypted with password "pass1")
video2.pfv (encrypted with password "pass1")
video3.pfv (encrypted with password "pass2")
video4.pfv (encrypted with password "pass1")

you can copy them all into one big file (but there
is a 4 GByte limit for FAT filesystems):

copy /b video1.pfv + video2.pfv + video3.pfv + video4.pfv all.pfv

To play vidoe1 use:
pfv.exe : pass1 :: all.pfv | C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

To play vidoe2 use:
pfv.exe 2 : pass1 :: all.pfv | C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

To play vidoe3 use:
pfv.exe : pass2 :: all.pfv | C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

To play vidoe4 use:
pfv.exe 3 : pass1 :: all.pfv | C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

The number specifies which of the videos encrypted with
the given password should be decrypted. If the number
is 0 or omitted, 1 is used (video4 is the 3. video
encrypted with pass1 in the input file).

If you use ">outfile" instead of "|vlc -" you can
extract the video from the multi-video file (encrypted
or unencrypted depending on a given second password).

The program is pretty slow, but a standard PC should be
be able to decode at least Full HD videos.



If you put this batch on your desktop,

@echo off
set /p p=Password:
set p=&cls&pfv :%p%::%1|C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

you can use the mouse to drop a encrypted video on it.
It then asks for the password and plays the video.


If you use multi video files, use this batch:

@echo off
set /p p=Number:Password:
set p=&cls&pfv %p%::%1|D:\Programme\vlc\vlc.exe -

In this case you must enter the number and password
separated by a ":", for example: 3:mypassword

--------------------------------------------------------------------

The demo file demo.pfv contains 3 videos and a zip file:

video 1:  a cat video
            password "only cats no dogs"
video 2:  a qr code video
            password "hack me if you can"
video 3:  a picture slide show video
            password again "only cats no dogs"
zip file: a zip file with some original pictures of the slide show
            password  "who cares"

to play video 1 use:
pfv :only cats no dogs::demo.pfv| C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

to play video 2 use:
pfv :hack me if you can::demo.pfv| C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

to play video 3 use:
pfv 2:only cats no dogs::demo.pfv| C:\path_to_vlc\vlc.exe -

to extract the zip file use:
pfv :who cares::demo.pfv > cats.zip

If you decode the qr code video, you will get a zip file
with some pictures. The password for the pictures is:
"The quick brown fox jump"

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Here the binary of pfv.exe (just execute the batch below to
generate the binary):

@echo off
certutil -f -decode %~f0 pfv.exe>nul
goto :eof

-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA=
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

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#56925

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:10:25 +0100
Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:

> On 22.03.2023 10:37, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>  > On 21/03/2023 12:18 am, Jakob Bohm wrote:

Please note the followup-to: alt.cypherpunks. I am not subscribed to
sci.crypt. I will not see any response posted there. My response
follows below.
 
>  >> Anyways, if this group has been successfully murdered by an
>  >> attack gang, what is the alternative forum in which to
>  >> publicly discuss cryptographic ideas by westerners that are
>  >> not published IACR scientists?

It seems general public interest in cryptology has waned in the past
decade. Recent developments have created confusion and hysteria that
may also be a deterrent to otherwise curious souls.

I am working piecemeal on just such an alternative to this very
concern raised by Jakob. Where can genteel adults work on cryptosystems
and protocols, translations, languages, and symbolism, past and present?
Where can they share ideas and tools free of cranky axe-grinder noise
and disruption? The answer is basically, 'nowhere' unless you enroll in
a PHD program and play 'publish or perish' for the rest of your career.
The other alternative I can surmise is working on something behind a
private network, where someone is getting funding for its product.

See https://sybershock.com. I'm ironing the kinks out of a hybrid
NNTP/Web forum over the next 'months of Sundays.' This forum will be
open for these kinds of works. The current group selection is just for
testing. In final form public Usenet groups will be hidden from the
web forum.

Only persons with a publicly-accessible body of work will be permitted
to join the forum. Lack of work product means no posting access.
Details are in the TOS on the site.

Political, religious, partisan, and ideological recruitment of any kind
will be forever strictly prohibited on the platform. Flaming,
name-calling, trolling, spamming, racial slurs, crank, crank-baiting,
wank, woo, frivolity and other petulant behaviors will result in
permanent moderation for the first offense. Any posts of those foul
kinds will be deleted and nocem'd.

Users may be pseudonymous to join, but only with a substantial body
of original work product under that pseudonym. I will take the time to
examine the work product to ensure it is neither fluff nor copypasta.
Ridiculous pseudonyms will also be rejected. Hackety noms are OK if
tasteful and respectful.

Groups of users with substantial work on a project will be able to
request a newsgroup for that project if it is *substantially* more than
just an ideation.

This little project will take a while to get moving. Stay tuned.

<snip>

-- 
SugarBug | https://sybershock.com

Publish or pounce off. Cranks caterwaul. Cryptologers create.

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