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  Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 00:51 -0600
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 23:09 -0800
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2022-12-21 07:19 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 23:27 -0800
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Max <maxturv26@gmx.net> - 2022-12-21 13:00 +0100
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:17 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 18:06 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 05:08 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 05:00 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-21 17:11 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 20:18 +0000
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 17:25 -0600
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2022-12-21 17:23 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-22 01:54 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Max <maxturv26@gmx.net> - 2022-12-22 10:09 +0100
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-12-22 04:39 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-23 18:09 +0100
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-02-23 18:29 +0000
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 15:18 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? CRYP7010G3R <cryptologer@defcon.social> - 2023-02-23 12:39 -0600
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-23 21:42 +0100
          Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? CRYP7010G3R <cryptologer@defcon.social> - 2023-02-23 18:06 -0600
            Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-02-24 01:15 +0000
              Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-02-28 16:46 +0100
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2023-02-24 06:17 +0000
          Re: Hire a genuine hacker for all hacking and recovery services today daniel lamack <dlamack9090@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 00:19 -0800
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-02-23 23:26 +0100
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-24 02:05 +0000
    Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 14:01 -0800
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2023-03-06 06:26 +0000
      Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2023-03-21 01:18 +0100
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-21 12:13 -0700
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? "G.K." <g@k.invalid> - 2023-03-22 00:47 -0500
        Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2023-03-22 09:37 +0000
          Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2023-03-22 14:10 +0100
            Re: Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG? Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> - 2023-04-28 19:45 -0500

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#53570 — Hello, sci.crypt cryptonauts! What happened to this NG?

I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
are the trolls spamming it?

Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

-- 

G.K.

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#53571

On 12/20/2022 10:51 PM, G.K. wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
> are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 

I do, but the group is stale at the moment.

The following link goes to my site and decrypts the ciphertext using the 
default key. It works because I encrypted the plaintext using the 
default key... ;^) It is client side only javascript.

http://fractallife247.com/test/hmac_cipher/ver_0_0_0_1?ct_hmac_cipher=636daa97539e99f2f767ae978d27b356589f479fa9054c4bb497d04386f9ea7d3e92b3e8600eb91050b70f27b5e2cd4a7c3c1711fd530cd7c622cb8f1aefa6ff31286c9b9a684dba062bcdc7606af3265ce80a32a0930645657e94ea9df50c7dd6daffa86de4c33d97e54e2a55fce5551a19b33abbd6109542ec94cfb7261549c8c6db5c0ba0b291645d94318102bcefcf428cccea

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#53572

On 21/12/2022 6:51 am, G.K. wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months 
> when I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group 
> abandoned? Why are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

scos 3 4

bl3L u(- #% {+[| J,SY ZMio kskk3I


-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#53573

On 12/20/2022 11:19 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 21/12/2022 6:51 am, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> scos 3 4
> 
> bl3L u(- #% {+[| J,SY ZMio kskk3I
> 
> 

Ahh, my SCOS impls are on a different computer right now! Damn it.

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#53575

On 21.12.22 07:51, G.K. wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
> are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 

Yep, still lurking.

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#53580

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:51:33 -0600, G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
> are the trolls spamming it?
>
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

Yep, still lurking.

Curious why crypto-recovery scammers are pounding so hard
on this newsgroup, which I would expect to be the least
receptive to their claims.

-- 
To email me, substitute nowhere->runbox, invalid->com.

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#53588

On 12/21/22 09:17, Peter Pearson wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:51:33 -0600, G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I
>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why
>> are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> Yep, still lurking.
> 
> Curious why crypto-recovery scammers are pounding so hard
> on this newsgroup, which I would expect to be the least
> receptive to their claims.

I suspect that these hacker groups are actually working for the organs 
of the state, as proxies to IIA campaigns. The suspect states would be 
mainly USA, Britain, China, India, and Russia. The criminal hackers 
themselves would never be in direct contact with a state officer, but 
their objectives would filter down through from a state officer.

I also suspect they are occasionally paid or blackmailed to assist in 
disruption operations. Their spam appears to be intentional disruption 
to annoy anyone using the targeted channels.

Any hacker worth his own salt would know that sci.crypt and really 
usenet in general, is not the place to find customers. They would also 
know that a stream of spam would be an annoyance. They can't be that 
stupid not to know. Or maybe I'm wrong and they are that stupid. Either 
proposition doesn't bolster their character.

-- 

G.K.

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#53597

G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/21/22 09:17, Peter Pearson wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:51:33 -0600, G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I
>>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why
>>> are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>> 
>> Yep, still lurking.
>> 
>> Curious why crypto-recovery scammers are pounding so hard
>> on this newsgroup, which I would expect to be the least
>> receptive to their claims.
> 
> I suspect that these hacker groups are actually working for the organs 
> of the state, as proxies to IIA campaigns. The suspect states would be 
> mainly USA, Britain, China, India, and Russia. The criminal hackers 
> themselves would never be in direct contact with a state officer, but 
> their objectives would filter down through from a state officer.
> 
> I also suspect they are occasionally paid or blackmailed to assist in 
> disruption operations. Their spam appears to be intentional disruption 
> to annoy anyone using the targeted channels.
> 
> Any hacker worth his own salt would know that sci.crypt and really 
> usenet in general, is not the place to find customers. They would also 
> know that a stream of spam would be an annoyance. They can't be that 
> stupid not to know. Or maybe I'm wrong and they are that stupid. Either 
> proposition doesn't bolster their character.

They are looking for the gullible.  There's a reason why Nigerian price 
emails requesting help transferring 12B of riches are written with such 
broken english grammar and spelling.  If someone contacts them, even 
with all the 'clues' in poor grammar and spelling, then it is highly 
likely that is a properly gullible and profitable mark.

These 'recovery' scammers are similar.  If they gain a contact, even 
after being so obviously spammy and irritating, then they also likely 
have gained an easily fleece-able mark.

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#53596

Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:51:33 -0600, G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
>> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
>> are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> Yep, still lurking.
> 
> Curious why crypto-recovery scammers are pounding so hard
> on this newsgroup, which I would expect to be the least
> receptive to their claims.

They are probably ignorant of cryptocurrency enough to believe that 
'sci.crypt' relates to cryptocurrency instead of cryptography.

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#53581

"G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:

> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when
> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned?
> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

Yes.

In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
it's hard to get the difficulty level right.

-- 
Ben.

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#53584

On 21/12/2022 17:11, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> "G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:
> 
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when
>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned?
>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
> it's hard to get the difficulty level right.
> 

Ooh yes, please do.

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#53587

On 12/21/22 14:18, Richard Harnden wrote:
> On 21/12/2022 17:11, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> "G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned?
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
>> it's hard to get the difficulty level right.
>>
> 
> Ooh yes, please do.

Aha! My previous remark about the shark smelling blood is not far off! 
This one is already hungry!

-- 

G.K.

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#53586

On 12/21/22 11:11, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> "G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:
> 
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when
>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned?
>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
> it's hard to get the difficulty level right.

Perhaps you might a couple of easy ones and a couple with some more 
difficulty, then bump the thread after Jan. 1 if there are no takers.

When someone cracks the easy one, that's like a shark scenting blood in 
the water around the harder one.

-- 

G.K.

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#53591

"G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:

> On 12/21/22 11:11, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> "G.K." <g@k.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned?
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>> Yes.
>> In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
>> it's hard to get the difficulty level right.
>
> Perhaps you might a couple of easy ones and a couple with some more
> difficulty, then bump the thread after Jan. 1 if there are no takers.

Good idea.  I'll try.  The trouble is it's not always easy to tell
what's easy and what isn't.  I am far from an expert...  Watch for a new
thread.

-- 
Ben.

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#53604

On 21.12.22 18:11, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
[...]
> 
> In fact, I was considering posting a challenge for the holidays, but
> it's hard to get the difficulty level right.
> 

Great idea, Ben!

Thanks for taking the initiative.

Max

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#53593

G.K. <g@k.invalid> wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam.

When no one posts, no one has anything to reply to.

> Is this group abandoned?

No

> Why are the trolls spamming it?

Possible reasons:

1) there is no penalty to the scammer to spamming the group
2) there is essentially also no monetary cost in spamming the group
3) if even one 'mark' takes the bait, with almost zero cost, any take 
   is nearly pure profit
4) they have to get their crap in front of as many eyes as possible to 
   "find that mark"
5) they think there are lots of eyes here watching

> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

Yep...

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#54714

On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when I 
> have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? Why 
> are the trolls spamming it?
> 
> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
> 

It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little 
content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the community 
alive?


Enjoy

Jakob
-- 
Jakob Bohm, CIO, Partner, WiseMo A/S.  https://www.wisemo.com
Transformervej 29, 2860 Søborg, Denmark.  Direct +45 31 13 16 10
This public discussion message is non-binding and may contain errors.
WiseMo - Remote Service Management for PCs, Phones and Embedded

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#54715

On 23/02/2023 5:09 pm, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many 
>> months when I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this 
>> group abandoned? Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>
> 
> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and 
> little content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep 
> the community alive?

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-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#54733

On 23/02/2023 18:29, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 23/02/2023 5:09 pm, Jakob Bohm wrote:
>> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>>> Why are the trolls spamming it?
>>>
>>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?
>>>
>>
>> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little 
>> content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the 
>> community alive?
> 
> 31 41
> 
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> )T[L9\p Jo. S8T4Hz#;
> 

Well, you can do the 'report abuse' thing on google groups - it's a full 
time job, though, and they don't appear to listen anyway.

What usenet needs is for google groups to become read/search only.

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#54716

On 2/23/23 11:09, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> On 2022-12-21 07:51, G.K. wrote:
>> I noticed that sci.crypt swiftly went 'dead' and for many months when 
>> I have checked I have seen only fake spam. Is this group abandoned? 
>> Why are the trolls spamming it?

The state intelligence services have a unwritten policy of disruption of 
all independent communications and media. Likely the usual trolls and 
sock puppets either went on vacation, quit, died, or got re-assigned to 
some other disruption operation. The black hat hacker groups were 
probably given instructions to spam their services to pick up the slack 
for unabated disruption.

>>
>> Are there any lurkers that even check here any more?

Seldomly. But yes.

> It's been 2 months since that post, and still much spam and little 
> content, anyone done anything to stop the attack and keep the community 
> alive?

Most of the spam is coming from corporate binary access providers. They 
work hand in glove with the intelligence organs to maintain 24/7 
surveillance, annoyance and disruption of all independent communication 
networks. Where the organs can't maintain total information control they 
maintain total disruption and disinformation to keep normal people 
repulsed from the target medium. They have used black hat hacker groups 
for such purposes as a matter of routine. Once a black hat gets busted 
and pinched up with charges, they usually offer a deal of permanent 
employment in the intelligence internet activities, or very lengthy 
prison terms for those who won't cut the deal. Almost everyone takes the 
deal, does a short stint in the clink, then comes out to work as a 
semi-freelance informant or troll for the state intelligence organs.

> Enjoy
> 
> Jakob

It is not too hard to defeat the spam. You may add a filter to your 
newsreader that automatically deletes all messages with "google" in the 
"Path" header. Most of the spam will then be deleted before you ever see it.

I suggest to use the filters in your newsreader to block messages using 
server paths that don't moderate the spam. Then you will have a much 
better reading experience. Using this tactic, I haven't seen a spam 
message in this group for a long time.

If a spammer uses a free provider I report it to their abuse department 
immediately. This is rare because the spammers know they will be shut 
down. If you really want to defeat spam and trolls just filter out all 
paths from the corporate binary Usenet providers. You'll delete some 
small number of legitimate messages, but it is what it is.

Here are several free Usenet providers:

----------------------------------------------------------------
   Eternal September       https://eternal-september.org
   Retro BBS               https://rocksolidbbs.com
   Nova BBS                https://novabbs.com
   Sunsite                 http://news.sunsite.dk/ (no https)
   DotSrc                  https://dotsrc.org/usenet/
   NZ BBS                  http://news.bbs.nz/ (no https)
   Blue World Hosting      https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------

There are more free providers than in this list. I don't feel like 
digging them up right now. If anyone else knows any please post them in 
reply.

It is ethically better to send a few bits of cabbage to these free 
providers than it is to fatten the coffers of the corporate providers 
who only care about the money. Some of the free providers are losing 
money by offering the free service. So we see they really care about 
Usenet and not just making money.

If you complain about spam and serious disruption from one of their 
users, these providers will revoke the offender's credentials. The 
complaint address is usually provided in the message headers.

Independent NNTP server operators really should avoid peering with 
google news and binary digital piracy providers, and just blacklist 
their paths. They are a major force in destroying the culture of Usenet 
by allowing and propagating endless spam and harassment. The 
independents could teach these corporate pigs that allowing spam and 
advertising of illegal hacking services is unacceptable. However, I'm 
not holding my breath for that to happen. Until that golden, utopian 
event filters will have to make do.

-- 

CRYP7010G3R - https://defcon.social/@cryptologer

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