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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2015-12-05 08:41 -0500
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2015-12-05 10:14 -0500
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 21:49 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-06 21:30 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:07 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:45 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-08 16:41 +0100
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:27 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-04-07 17:43 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 12:56 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:26 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:40 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-11 06:11 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-04-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 23:13 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 22:01 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:27 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:08 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:20 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 21:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:22 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:11 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:43 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:09 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 17:39 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:13 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 06:10 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:12 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 18:25 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 16:09 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:40 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 21:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <058otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58115 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>> >>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cite? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>> >>> >>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>> >>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >> >>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >> > > Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated environment. Go have your fun, I'm not prejudiced against the LGBT community. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 20:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjhjgb9nu05ob7t21vqvk3tms3euloqvnb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58126 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cite? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>> >>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>> >>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>> >> >> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. > >Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >environment. > Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. > >Go have your fun, I'm not prejudiced against the LGBT community. > And yet you toss it off like you think it's an insult. You need to leave denial behind, chimp, and stop compensating so hard. -- You are What you do When it counts.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-10 06:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jd7ptc-3mj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58138 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>> >>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>> >>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >> >>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>environment. >> > > Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I > prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting diapers on their babies since antiquity. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-10 06:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <04mkgblph2h5lhr799e2h3hr06inj3cbk7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58142 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>
>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>environment.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>
>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>
It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-10 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hvdqtc-6hn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58146 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>> >>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>> >>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>environment. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >> >>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >> > > It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. Cloth is raw stock. Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-10 17:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <igslgb1cjm6h9mirpqhnu9vei55biniv0h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58160 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>environment.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>
>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>
>>
>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>
>Cloth is raw stock.
>
>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>
And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
dumb cunt.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2k9ttc-714.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58172 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>environment. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>> >>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>> >>> >>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >> >>Cloth is raw stock. >> >>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >> > > And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you > dumb cunt. So what, space cadet? Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from Sri Lanka, space cadet? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 19:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <q0pogb130i0r55d6kau759734m9gub338b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58213 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>
>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>
>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>
>>
>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>> dumb cunt.
>>
>
>So what, space cadet?
>
So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
chimpshit, chimpshit.
>
>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>
Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>
>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>
There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
in a rich suburb"...
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 06:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k3gutc-9t7.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58222 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>> >>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>> >>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>> >>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>> >>> >>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>> dumb cunt. >>> >> >>So what, space cadet? >> > > So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are > chimpshit, chimpshit. > >> >>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >> > > Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by > your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. > >> >>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >> > > There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live > in a rich suburb"... Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without 21st century technology, and a lot of it. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 07:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ai0qgb1rs7mlapvdfpva34bc82foff2057@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58225 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>
>>
>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>
>>>
>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>
>>>
>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>
>>
>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>> in a rich suburb"...
>>
>
>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>
And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 18:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <95rvtc-3gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58226 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>> >>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>> >>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>> >>>> >>>>So what, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>> >>>> >>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>> >>>> >>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>> in a rich suburb"... >>> >> >>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >> > > And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <41uqgb1ljgpvslc7a55eh4vqavjkmcqt4v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58239 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>
>>
>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>
>
>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>
But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
dishonest twat.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <scc0uc-ndh.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58247 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>> >>> >>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>> >> >>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >> > > But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of > survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually > dishonest twat. As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and growing, people before the Europeans arrived, and you can not live longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <omlrgbtu3siouondjltq0klp798vero7it@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58252 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>
>>
>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>> dishonest twat.
>>
>
>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>
And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>
>... and you can not live
>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>
So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
right?
>
>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>
Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <44f2uc-qvn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58261 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>> >>> >>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>> dishonest twat. >>> >> >>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >> > > And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population with imported diseases. None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which includes diseases. >> >>... and you can not live >>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >> > > So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, > right? So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >> > > Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, > don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity of the support equipment, space cadet. As in the ease of survival in the ocean in 1 m of water versus 300 m of water. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ee9tgb54mlpmclp7sm4rd6u6c35c4r2dor@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58278 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>
>>
>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>
>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>with imported diseases.
>
Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
it when it HELPS survival.
>
>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>includes diseases.
>
Unproven.
>>>
>>>... and you can not live
>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>
>>
>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>> right?
>
>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>
>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>
>
>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>
For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
technology in support.
>
>As in the ease of survival in the ocean in 1 m of water versus 300 m of
>water.
>
Perhaps I should change your nickname from 'Jimp the Chimp' to "stupid
parallels R us"...
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hln2uc-67p.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #58286 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>> >>>> >>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>> >>> >>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >> >>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>with imported diseases. >> > > Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count > it when it HELPS survival. No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American indiginous population is irrelevant. >>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>includes diseases. >> > > Unproven. The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>> >>>>... and you can not live >>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>> >>> >>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>> right? >> >>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >> >>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>> >>> >>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>> >> >>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>of the support equipment, space cadet. >> > > For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' > technology in support. Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <umvtgb9ntlh8ukgm0acvs64gs31vqof6n8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58294 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>
>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>with imported diseases.
>>>
>>
>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>> it when it HELPS survival.
>
>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>
Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>includes diseases.
>>>
>>
>> Unproven.
>
>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>> right?
>>>
>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>
>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>> technology in support.
>
>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>
>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>
Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| Date | 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #58301 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>> >>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>with imported diseases. >>>> >>> >>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>> it when it HELPS survival. >> >>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>indiginous population is irrelevant. >> > > Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent carrying any to Mars. >>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>includes diseases. >>>> >>> >>> Unproven. >> >>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >> >>>>>> >>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>> right? >>>> >>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>> >>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>> technology in support. >> >>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >> >>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >> > > Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather > than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same as it had been for a thousand years or so. There were few inventions that effected daily life, and especially farming life, between the 16th century and about the middle of the 19th century. The first invention of note to do so after 1600 was the loom with the flying shuttle in 1733. 1764 spinning jenny 1786 threshing machine 1793 cotton gin 1798 smallpox vaccine -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dn8ts2F8eu3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58310 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? > >Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >as it had been for a thousand years or so. Compared to the North Americans, the use of oxen or horses to do the hard part of the farming was new. An effective horse collar was post-Roman, but I don't know if it was older than that thousand when American was colonized. >There were few inventions that effected daily life, and especially farming >life, between the 16th century and about the middle of the 19th century. You switched from "thousand" to 250 or so rather suddenly. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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