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(atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

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  (atbash) --   (Wizard  -->   draziW)   (Girt   -->   triG)   -- (Like   Palindromes) "HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> - 2026-05-31 00:29 +0000
    Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-05-31 11:56 +1000
      Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) "HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> - 2026-05-31 05:14 +0000
        Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-31 18:05 +0000
      Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-05-31 13:49 +0000
        Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-05-31 14:57 +0000
          Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 11:53 -0700
        Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-01 10:07 +1000
    Re: (atbash) --   (Wizard  -->   draziW)   (Girt   -->   triG)   -- (Like   Palindromes) David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> - 2026-05-31 17:59 +0000
      Re: (atbash) --   (Wizard  -->   draziW)   (Girt   -->   triG)   -- (Like   Palindromes) "HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> - 2026-05-31 19:24 +0000

#27879 — (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

Atbash is a simple substitution cipher that reverses the alphabet: A
becomes Z, B becomes Y, C becomes X, and so on. 


--- Aleph–Tav–Bet–Shin, which is the source of the name
“Atbash”. 



 In English, the classic demo is HELLO → SVOOL


    Wizard  -->   draziW

     Girt   -->   triG

(Like   Palindromes)



Girt is a real English word. It’s an old or uncommon form of gird
meaning “to bind, encircle, or fasten,” and it also appears as a
noun in a few technical senses.

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#27880 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

On 31/05/26 10:29, HenHanna wrote:

> Girt is a real English word. It’s an old or uncommon form of gird
> meaning “to bind, encircle, or fasten,” and it also appears as a
> noun in a few technical senses.

Girt is simply the past participle of the verb gird. As verbs weaken it
is probably being gradually replaced by "girded", but "girt" continues
to survive as the passive participle.

The patriotic song "Wollongong the Brave" contains the lines

Land that is girt
By sea (on one side)
We have soil full of dirt

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#27881 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> On 31/05/26 10:29, HenHanna wrote:
> 
> > Girt is a real English word. It’s an old or uncommon form of gird
> > meaning “to bind, encircle, or fasten,” and it also appears as a
> > noun in a few technical senses.
> 
> Girt is simply the past participle of the verb gird. As verbs weaken it
> is probably being gradually replaced by "girded", but "girt" continues
> to survive as the passive participle.
> 
> The patriotic song "Wollongong the Brave" contains the lines
> 
> Land that is girt
> By sea (on one side)
> We have soil full of dirt
> 
> -- 
> Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
> Newcastle, NSW


thanks!    



AI says all these are cognates:


Girth: The measurement around an object.

Garden / Yard: Fenced-in or enclosed plots of land.

Gürtel: The standard modern German word for a belt.

Gartel: The traditional woven prayer belt worn by Hasidic Jewish men.

Asgard / Midgard: The enclosed realms of the gods and humans in Norse
mythology.



-grad / -gorod: The suffixes used for Slavic cities (like Volgograd or
Novgorod), which originally meant a fortified or walled enclosure.


       ------ Novgorod  means [New City],  so it's just like Newton.




The Basque First Name:       Interestingly, Garden is also a legitimate,
recognized female first name of Basque origin (a region between Spain
and France). 

In the Basque language, it translates to "transparent" or "clear,"
though it is often cross-translated internationally to mean "a
cultivated land of flowers".

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#27886 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

"HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> posted:

> 
>        ------ Novgorod  means [New City],  so it's just like Newton.

Several other cities have names which mean "New City":

* Carthage (Etruscan *Carθaza from the Punic qrt-ḥdšt (𐤒𐤓𐤕 𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕‎)
      "new city", implying it was a "new Tyre.)
* Cartagena, Spain (orig. Carthago Nova, i.e. New Carthage, or
      lit. New New City)
* Naples (From Latin: Neapolis, from Ancient Greek: Νεάπολις,
      romanized: Neápolis, lit. 'new city'.)
* Nablus (in West Bank, formerly Flavia Neapolis)
* Chiang Mai, Thailand (เชียงใหม่)
* MANY other examples with Names beginning Nová-, Neu-, Nev-, New,
      Nov-, Nieuw-, Ny- etc.


"Chiang Mai" originally referred to just the city's inner square mile
surrounded by wall and moat.  English speakers now generally
refer to this innermost "New City" as "the Old City."
 

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#27882 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

On 2026-05-31, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

> Girt is simply the past participle of the verb gird. As verbs weaken it
> is probably being gradually replaced by "girded", but "girt" continues
> to survive as the passive participle.

You mean "become regular".  Gird/girt/girt is already a weak verb.
Along with bend/bent/bent and a few others it belongs to a group
that have coalesced the stem final dental and the past suffix.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

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#27883 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

On 2026-05-31, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

> You mean "become regular".  Gird/girt/girt is already a weak verb.
> Along with bend/bent/bent and a few others it belongs to a group
> that have coalesced the stem final dental and the past suffix.

PS:
Wikipedia's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_irregular_verbs
categorizes the verbs: strong, weak, preterite-present, and a few
other odds and ends.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

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#27887 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

On Sunday, Christian Weisgerber exclaimed wildly:
> On 2026-05-31, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>
>> You mean "become regular".  Gird/girt/girt is already a weak verb.
>> Along with bend/bent/bent and a few others it belongs to a group
>> that have coalesced the stem final dental and the past suffix.
>
> PS:
> Wikipedia's
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_irregular_verbs
> categorizes the verbs: strong, weak, preterite-present, and a few
> other odds and ends.

And of course it cross-references the explanation of the classes at
<URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_irregular_verbs>

/dps

-- 
"I am not given to exaggeration, and when I say a thing I mean it"
   _Roughing It_, Mark Twain

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#27893 — Re: (atbash) -- (Wizard --> draziW) (Girt --> triG) -- (Like Palindromes)

On 31/05/26 23:49, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2026-05-31, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>
>> Girt is simply the past participle of the verb gird. As verbs weaken it
>> is probably being gradually replaced by "girded", but "girt" continues
>> to survive as the passive participle.
>
> You mean "become regular".  Gird/girt/girt is already a weak verb.
> Along with bend/bent/bent and a few others it belongs to a group
> that have coalesced the stem final dental and the past suffix.

Thanks for the reminder. Such details are easy to forget.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#27885

On Sun, 31 May 2026 00:29:36 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

>  In English, the classic demo is HELLO → SVOOL

Gdzh yiroort, zmw gsv horgsb glevh
Wrw tbiv zmw trnyov rm gsv dzyv:
Zoo nrnhb dviv gsv yliltlevh,
Zmw gsv nlnv izgsh lfgtizyv.

-- 
David Entwistle

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#27888

David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 May 2026 00:29:36 +0000, HenHanna wrote:
> 
> >  In English, the classic demo is HELLO → SVOOL
> 
> Gdzh yiroort, zmw gsv horgsb glevh
> Wrw tbiv zmw trnyov rm gsv dzyv:
> Zoo nrnhb dviv gsv yliltlevh,
> Zmw gsv nlnv izgsh lfgtizyv.
> 
> -- 
> David Entwistle



Thanks!


           >>>  Because of its simplicity, Atbash hasn’t been used for
serious encryption purposes but it has been used to disguise words from
casual readers. One example of this is in the bible where place names
have been encrypted using Atbash in some chapters of Jeremiah. 

For example, Jeremiah 25:26 reads, ‘The King of Sheshach shall drink
after them.’ 

Decrypting Seshach using Atbash gives you the more recognisable word,
‘Babylon’.



-------- there's a word for hiding a ciphered text in plain sight ,  in
this way

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