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| From | James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Subject | Re: Musical notes... |
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| Date | 2026-05-27 17:10 +0000 |
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============================================================= WARNING! This is a very long, almost useless list. WARNING! (I dump it here lest it be otherwise lost to posterity.) ============================================================= Octave, perfect fifth, etc. are handy ratios when discussing music, but the complexities of tuning mean that various esoteric ratios arise. For example, the "Pythagorean comma" -- 1.0136432 or 531441/524288 -- is the ratio between C and B-sharp in Pythagoras' tuning. I chose to sort these ratios in ascending numeric order but do not otherwise recall details of this list's construction. 1.0000000 1/1 unison, perfect prime 1.0000430 23232/23231 lesser harmonisma 1.0000508 19657/19656 greater harmonisma 1.0000939 10648/10647 harmonisma 1.0001020 9801/9800 kalisma, Gauss' comma 1.0001689 450359962737049600/450283905890997363 monzisma 1.0001880 250047/250000 Landscape comma 1.0002286 4375/4374 ragisma 1.0002442 4096/4095 tridecimal schisma, Sagittal schismina 1.0003306 3025/3024 Lehmerisma 1.0004166 2401/2400 Breedsma 1.0004861 2058/2057 xenisma 1.0004979 7629394531250/7625597484987 ennealimmal comma 1.0005777 1732/1731 approximation to 1 cent 1.0007770 1288/1287 triaphonisma 1.0007999 274877906944/274658203125 semithirds comma 1.0008230 1216/1215 Eratosthenes' comma 1.0011291 32805/32768 schisma 1.0012714 1575/1573 Nicola 1.0013351 750/749 ancient Chinese tempering 1.0013580 65625/65536 horwell comma 1.0013654 2200/2197 Parizek comma 1.0014005 715/714 septendecimal bridge comma 1.0014814 676/675 island comma 1.0016276 19073486328125/19042491875328 '19-tone' comma 1.0017530 4000/3993 undecimal schisma 1.0018552 540/539 Swets' comma 1.0019299 6115295232/6103515625 Vishnu comma 1.0019531 513/512 undevicesimal comma, Boethius' comma 1.0020903 19383245667680019896796723/19342813113834066795298816 Mercator's comma 1.0021997 33554432/33480783 Beta 2, septimal schisma 1.0022727 441/440 Werckmeister's undecimal septenarian schisma 1.0026041 385/384 undecimal kleisma 1.0028490 352/351 minthma 1.0030613 1224440064/1220703125 parakleisma 1.0031020 6144/6125 porwell comma 1.0033313 5120/5103 Beta 5, Garibaldi comma 1.0035200 3136/3125 middle second comma 1.0035607 1600000/1594323 kleisma - schisma 1.0037494 10976/10935 hemimage 1.0038164 118098/117649 stearnsma 1.0039215 256/255 septendecimal kleisma 1.0040459 16875/16807 small BP diesis 1.0041322 243/242 neutral third comma 1.0042265 1188/1183 kestrel comma 1.0042754 390625/388962 dimcomp comma 1.0044642 225/224 septimal kleisma 1.0046939 15625/15552 kleisma, semicomma majeur 1.0047095 640/637 huntma 1.0048605 65536/65219 orgonisma 1.0048828 1029/1024 gamelan residue 1.0050551 2187/2176 septendecimal comma 1.0056116 896/891 undecimal semicomma 1.0057142 176/175 valinorsma 1.0058283 2109375/2097152 semicomma, Fokker's comma 1.0066329 393216/390625 W�rschmidt's comma 1.0069444 145/144 29th-partial chroma 1.0075801 1728/1715 Orwell comma 1.0077696 78732/78125 medium semicomma 1.0078105 4000/3969 septimal semicomma 1.0080000 126/125 small septimal comma 1.0082304 245/243 minor BP diesis 1.0083333 121/120 undecimal seconds comma 1.0084200 50421/50000 Trimyna 1.0093688 33075/32768 mirwomo comma 1.0096021 736/729 vicesimotertial comma 1.0096153 105/104 small tridecimal comma 1.0101010 100/99 Ptolemy's comma 1.0102040 99/98 small undecimal comma 1.0102173 67108864/66430125 Misty comma, diaschisma - schisma 1.0105263 96/95 19th-partial chroma 1.0111111 91/90 medium tridecimal comma 1.0113580 2048/2025 diaschisma 1.0115288 36893488147419103232/36472996377170786403 '41-tone' comma 1.0120783 2430/2401 nuwell comma 1.0123096 3125/3087 major BP diesis 1.0125000 81/80 syntonic comma, Didymus comma 1.0127314 875/864 keema 1.0131578 77/76 approximation to 53-tone comma 1.0136432 531441/524288 Pythagorean comma, ditonic comma 1.0156250 65/64 13th-partial chroma 1.0158730 64/63 septimal comma, Archytas' comma 1.0161052 20000/19683 minimal diesis 1.0162962 686/675 senga 1.0172526 3125/3072 small diesis 1.0184012 34171875/33554432 Ampersand's comma 1.0195312 261/256 vicesimononal comma 1.0200000 51/50 17th-partial chroma 1.0203667 1594323/1562500 Unicorn comma 1.0204081 50/49 Erlich's decatonic comma, tritonic diesis 1.0205761 248/243 tricesoprimal comma 1.0206414 15625/15309 great BP diesis 1.0208333 49/48 slendro diesis, septimal 1/6-tone 1.0215737 8192/8019 undecimal minor diesis 1.0220275 48828125/47775744 Sycamore comma 1.0222222 46/45 23rd-partial chroma 1.0227272 45/44 1/5-tone 1.0240000 128/125 minor diesis, diesis 1.0251562 6561/6400 Mathieu superdiesis 1.0253906 525/512 Avicenna enharmonic diesis 1.0256410 40/39 tridecimal minor diesis 1.0283203 1053/1024 tridecimal major diesis 1.0285714 36/35 septimal diesis, 1/4-tone 1.0288065 250/243 maximal diesis 1.0292887 246/239 Meshaqah's 1/4-tone 1.0294117 35/34 septendecimal 1/4-tone 1.0297328 59049/57344 Harrison's comma 1.0299682 16875/16384 double augmentation diesis 1.0312500 33/32 undecimal comma, al-Farabi's 1/4-tone 1.0322580 32/31 Greek enharmonic 1/4-tone 1.0333333 31/30 31st-partial chroma 1.0355113 729/704 undecimal major diesis 1.0368000 648/625 major diesis 1.0370370 28/27 Archytas' 1/3-tone 1.0384615 27/26 tridecimal comma 1.0393182 134217728/129140163 Pythagorean double diminished third 1.0400000 26/25 tridecimal 1/3-tone 1.0404917 20480/19683 grave minor second 1.0409948 17496/16807 septimal major diesis 1.0416666 25/24 classic chromatic semitone, minor chroma 1.0434782 24/23 vicesimotertial minor semitone 1.0448979 256/245 septimal minor semitone 1.0476190 22/21 undecimal minor semitone 1.0500000 21/20 minor semitone 1.0526315 20/19 small undevicesimal semitone 1.0534979 256/243 limma, Pythagorean minor second 1.0546875 135/128 major chroma, major limma 1.0555555 19/18 undevicesimal semitone 1.0578512 128/121 undecimal semitone 1.0581580 413343/390625 BP small link 1.0588235 18/17 Arabic lute index finger 1.0594600 52973/50000 Mersenne's quasi-equal semitone 1.0595238 89/84 quasi-equal semitone 1.0625000 17/16 17th harmonic 1.0664062 273/256 Ibn Sina's minor second 1.0666666 16/15 minor diatonic semitone 1.0668672 83349/78125 BP minor link 1.0678710 2187/2048 apotome 1.0711836 6561/6125 BP major link 1.0714285 15/14 major diatonic semitone 1.0769230 14/13 2/3-tone 1.0800000 27/25 large limma, BP small semitone 1.0824403 1162261467/1073741824 Pythagorean-19 comma 1.0833333 13/12 tridecimal 2/3-tone 1.0843696 18225/16807 minimal BP chroma 1.0864197 88/81 2nd undecimal neutral second 1.0872483 162/149 Persian neutral second 1.0880755 4608/4235 Arabic neutral second 1.0888888 49/45 BP minor semitone 1.0904977 241/221 Meshaqah's 3/4-tone 1.0909090 12/11 3/4-tone, undecimal neutral second 1.0922666 2048/1875 double diminished third 1.0932944 375/343 BP major semitone, minor BP chroma 1.0937500 35/32 septimal neutral second 1.0973936 800/729 grave whole tone 1.0986328 1125/1024 double augmented prime 1.1000000 11/10 4/5-tone, Ptolemy's second 1.1020408 54/49 Zalzal's mujannab 1.1022927 625/567 BP great semitone, major BP chroma 1.1034482 32/29 29th subharmonic 1.1098579 65536/59049 Pythagorean diminished third 1.1111111 10/9 minor whole tone 1.1113651 21875/19683 maximal BP chroma 1.1160714 125/112 classic augmented semitone 1.1176470 19/17 quasi-meantone 1.1193415 272/243 Persian whole tone 1.1200000 28/25 middle second 1.1224489 55/49 quasi-equal major second 1.1224637 134217728/119574225 whole tone - 2 schismas, 5-limit approximation to ET whole tone 1.1250000 9/8 major whole tone 1.1363636 25/22 undecimal acute whole tone 1.1377777 256/225 diminished third 1.1390625 729/640 acute major second 1.1403486 4782969/4194304 Pythagorean double augmented prime 1.1428571 8/7 septimal whole tone 1.1458333 55/48 undecimal semi-augmented whole tone 1.1520000 144/125 classic diminished third 1.1538461 15/13 tridecimal 5/4-tone 1.1550000 231/200 5/4-tone 1.1562500 37/32 37th harmonic 1.1571428 81/70 Al-Hwarizmi's lute middle finger 1.1574074 125/108 semi-augmented whole tone 1.1666666 7/6 septimal minor third 1.1692330 16777216/14348907 Pythagorean double diminished fourth 1.1705532 2560/2187 grave minor third 1.1718750 75/64 classic augmented second 1.1739130 27/23 vicesimotertial minor third 1.1764705 20/17 septendecimal augmented second 1.1785714 33/28 undecimal minor third 1.1818181 13/11 tridecimal minor third 1.1851851 32/27 Pythagorean minor third 1.1865234 1215/1024 wide augmented second 1.1875000 19/16 19th harmonic 1.1904761 25/21 BP second, quasi-tempered minor third 1.1911764 81/68 Persian wosta 1.2000000 6/5 minor third 1.2013549 19683/16384 Pythagorean augmented second 1.2136296 4096/3375 double diminished fourth 1.2142857 17/14 supraminor third 1.2150000 243/200 acute minor third 1.2187500 39/32 39th harmonic, Zalzal wosta of Ibn Sina 1.2190476 128/105 septimal neutral third 1.2203389 72/59 Ibn Sina's neutral third 1.2222222 11/9 undecimal neutral third 1.2240000 153/125 7/4-tone 1.2244897 60/49 smaller approximation to neutral third 1.2250000 49/40 larger approximation to neutral third 1.2272727 27/22 neutral third, Zalzal wosta of al-Farabi 1.2307692 16/13 tridecimal neutral third 1.2345679 100/81 grave major third 1.2352941 21/17 submajor third 1.2359619 10125/8192 double augmented second 1.2485901 8192/6561 Pythagorean diminished fourth 1.2500000 5/4 major third 1.2592592 34/27 septendecimal major third 1.2600000 63/50 quasi-equal major third 1.2631578 24/19 smaller undevicesimal major third 1.2641975 512/405 narrow diminished fourth 1.2656250 81/64 Pythagorean major third 1.2666666 19/15 undevicesimal ditone 1.2692307 33/26 tridecimal major third 1.2698412 80/63 wide major third 1.2727272 14/11 undecimal diminished fourth or major third 1.2777777 23/18 vicesimotertial major third 1.2800000 32/25 classic diminished fourth 1.2814453 6561/5120 acute major third 1.2828922 43046721/33554432 Pythagorean double augmented second 1.2857142 9/7 septimal major third, BP third 1.2962962 35/27 9/4-tone, septimal semi-diminished fourth 1.3000000 13/10 tridecimal semi-diminished fourth 1.3020833 125/96 classic augmented third 1.3061224 64/49 2 septatones or septatonic major third 1.3090909 72/55 undecimal semi-diminished fourth 1.3125000 21/16 narrow fourth 1.3153871 2097152/1594323 Pythagorean double diminished fifth 1.3168724 320/243 grave fourth 1.3183593 675/512 wide augmented third 1.3200000 33/25 2 pentatones 1.3333333 4/3 perfect fourth 1.3348388 10935/8192 fourth + schisma, 5-limit approximation to ET fourth 1.3500000 27/20 acute fourth 1.3515243 177147/131072 Pythagorean augmented third 1.3611111 49/36 Arabic lute acute fourth 1.3636363 15/11 undecimal augmented fourth 1.3653333 512/375 double diminished fifth 1.3714285 48/35 septimal semi-augmented fourth 1.3732910 5625/4096 double augmented third 1.3740000 687/500 11/4-tone 1.3750000 11/8 undecimal semi-augmented fourth 1.3846153 18/13 tridecimal augmented fourth 1.3857576 536870912/387420489 Pythagorean double diminished sixth 1.3888888 25/18 classic augmented fourth 1.3913043 32/23 23rd subharmonic 1.4000000 7/5 septimal or Huygens' tritone, BP fourth 1.4046639 1024/729 Pythagorean diminished fifth 1.4062500 45/32 diatonic tritone 1.4117647 24/17 1st septendecimal tritone 1.4141414 140/99 quasi-equal tritone 1.4142857 99/70 2nd quasi-equal tritone 1.4166666 17/12 2nd septendecimal tritone 1.4222222 64/45 2nd tritone 1.4238281 729/512 Pythagorean tritone 1.4285714 10/7 Euler's tritone 1.4375000 23/16 23rd harmonic 1.4400000 36/25 classic diminished fifth 1.4432537 387420489/268435456 Pythagorean double augmented third 1.4444444 13/9 tridecimal diminished fifth 1.4545454 16/11 undecimal semi-diminished fifth 1.4555555 131/90 13/4-tone 1.4563555 8192/5625 double diminished sixth 1.4583333 35/24 septimal semi-diminished fifth 1.4648437 375/256 double augmented fourth 1.4666666 22/15 undecimal diminished fifth 1.4693877 72/49 Arabic lute grave fifth 1.4798105 262144/177147 Pythagorean diminished sixth 1.4814814 40/27 grave fifth 1.4927113 512/343 3 septatones or septatonic fifth 1.4980000 749/500 ancient Chinese quasi-equal fifth 1.4983081 16384/10935 fifth - schisma, 5-limit approximation to ET fifth 1.5000000 3/2 perfect fifth 1.5151515 50/33 3 pentatones 1.5170370 1024/675 narrow diminished sixth 1.5187500 243/160 acute fifth 1.5204648 1594323/1048576 Pythagorean double augmented fourth 1.5238095 32/21 wide fifth 1.5277777 55/36 undecimal semi-augmented fifth 1.5306122 75/49 BP fifth 1.5360000 192/125 classic diminished sixth 1.5384615 20/13 tridecimal semi-augmented fifth 1.5423728 91/59 15/4-tone 1.5428571 54/35 septimal semi-augmented fifth 1.5555555 14/9 septimal minor sixth 1.5589773 67108864/43046721 Pythagorean double diminished seventh 1.5607376 10240/6561 grave minor sixth 1.5625000 25/16 classic augmented fifth 1.5714285 11/7 undecimal augmented fifth 1.5750000 63/40 narrow minor sixth 1.5757575 52/33 tridecimal minor sixth 1.5789473 30/19 smaller undevicesimal minor sixth 1.5802469 128/81 Pythagorean minor sixth 1.5820312 405/256 wide augmented fifth 1.5833333 19/12 undevicesimal minor sixth 1.5873015 100/63 quasi-equal minor sixth 1.5882352 27/17 septendecimal minor sixth 1.6000000 8/5 minor sixth 1.6018066 6561/4096 Pythagorean augmented fifth 1.6181728 16384/10125 double diminished seventh 1.6190476 34/21 supraminor sixth 1.6200000 81/50 acute minor sixth 1.6250000 13/8 tridecimal neutral sixth 1.6296296 44/27 neutral sixth 1.6326530 80/49 smaller approximation to neutral sixth 1.6333333 49/30 larger approximation to neutral sixth 1.6339869 250/153 17/4-tone 1.6363636 18/11 undecimal neutral sixth 1.6406250 105/64 septimal neutral sixth 1.6410256 64/39 39th subharmonic 1.6460905 400/243 grave major sixth 1.6470588 28/17 submajor sixth 1.6479492 3375/2048 double augmented fifth 1.6647868 32768/19683 Pythagorean diminished seventh 1.6666666 5/3 major sixth, BP sixth 1.6770186 270/161 Kirnberger's sixth 1.6800000 42/25 quasi-tempered major sixth 1.6842105 32/19 19th subharmonic 1.6855967 2048/1215 narrow diminished seventh 1.6875000 27/16 Pythagorean major sixth 1.6923076 22/13 tridecimal major sixth 1.7000000 17/10 septendecimal diminished seventh 1.7059558 4096/2401 4 septatones or septatonic major sixth 1.7066666 128/75 diminished seventh 1.7085937 2187/1280 acute major sixth 1.7105230 14348907/8388608 Pythagorean double augmented fifth 1.7142857 12/7 septimal major sixth 1.7280000 216/125 semi-augmented sixth 1.7297297 64/37 37th subharmonic 1.7311827 161/93 19/4-tone 1.7333333 26/15 tridecimal semi-augmented sixth 1.7361111 125/72 classic augmented sixth 1.7500000 7/4 harmonic seventh 1.7538495 8388608/4782969 Pythagorean double diminished octave 1.7558299 1280/729 grave minor seventh 1.7578125 225/128 augmented sixth 1.7600000 44/25 undecimal grave minor seventh 1.7777777 16/9 Pythagorean minor seventh 1.7818181 98/55 quasi-equal minor seventh 1.7857142 25/14 middle minor seventh 1.8000000 9/5 just minor seventh, BP seventh 1.8020324 59049/32768 Pythagorean augmented sixth 1.8125000 29/16 29th harmonic 1.8181818 20/11 large minor seventh 1.8204444 2048/1125 double diminished octave 1.8225000 729/400 acute minor seventh 1.8285714 64/35 septimal neutral seventh 1.8310546 1875/1024 double augmented sixth 1.8333333 11/6 21/4-tone, undecimal neutral seventh 1.8409090 81/44 2nd undecimal neutral seventh 1.8461538 24/13 tridecimal neutral seventh 1.8518518 50/27 grave major seventh 1.8571428 13/7 16/3-tone 1.8666666 28/15 grave major seventh 1.8728852 4096/2187 Pythagorean diminished octave 1.8750000 15/8 classic major seventh 1.8823529 32/17 17th subharmonic 1.8876404 168/89 quasi-equal major seventh 1.8888888 17/9 septendecimal major seventh 1.8947368 36/19 smaller undevicesimal major seventh 1.8962962 256/135 octave - major chroma 1.8984375 243/128 Pythagorean major seventh 1.9000000 19/10 undevicesimal major seventh 1.9047619 40/21 acute major seventh 1.9090909 21/11 undecimal major seventh 1.9166666 23/12 vicesimotertial major seventh 1.9200000 48/25 classic diminished octave 1.9221679 19683/10240 acute major seventh 1.9243383 129140163/67108864 Pythagorean double augmented sixth 1.9285714 27/14 septimal major seventh 1.9290123 625/324 octave - major diesis 1.9375000 31/16 31st harmonic 1.9393939 64/33 33rd subharmonic 1.9418074 32768/16875 octave - double augmentation diesis 1.9428571 68/35 23/4-tone 1.9440000 243/125 octave - maximal diesis 1.9444444 35/18 septimal semi-diminished octave 1.9496638 32768/16807 5 septatones or septatonic diminished octave 1.9531250 125/64 classic augmented seventh, octave - minor diesis 1.9600000 49/25 BP eighth 1.9660800 6144/3125 octave - small diesis 1.9683000 19683/10000 octave - minimal diesis 1.9687500 63/32 octave - septimal comma 1.9730807 1048576/531441 Pythagorean diminished ninth 1.9753086 160/81 octave - syntonic comma 1.9775390 2025/1024 2 tritones 1.9868214 390625/196608 octave - W�rschmidt's comma 1.9977442 65536/32805 octave - schisma 2.0000000 2/1 octave 2.0272865 531441/262144 Pythagorean augmented seventh 2.0833333 25/12 classic augmented octave 2.1250000 17/8 septendecimal minor ninth 2.1333333 32/15 minor ninth 2.1428571 15/7 septimal minor ninth, BP ninth 2.1648806 1162261467/536870912 Pythagorean double augmented seventh 2.2000000 11/5 neutral ninth 2.2222222 20/9 small ninth 2.2500000 9/4 major ninth 2.2857142 16/7 septimal major ninth 2.3333333 7/3 minimal tenth, BP tenth 2.5200000 63/25 quasi-equal major tenth, BP eleventh 2.7777777 25/9 classic augmented eleventh, BP twelfth ----- James
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