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"The Vote is in" by David Weber

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  "The Vote is in" by David Weber Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:31 -0500
    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2018-06-20 09:23 -0400
      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-20 09:54 -0700
        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-20 17:26 +0000
          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-20 18:22 +0000
            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-20 19:37 +0000
            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-21 10:06 -0700
              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-21 17:13 +0000
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-22 10:32 -0700
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-22 17:47 +0000
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-22 17:49 +0000
        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 12:40 -0500
        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 19:18 +0000
          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-20 20:15 +0000
            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 20:40 +0000
              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-20 15:24 -0700
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 22:33 +0000
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 -0700
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 17:43 -0700
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:22 -0700
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2018-06-27 11:24 -0700
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber tsbrueni@gmail.com - 2018-07-13 06:24 -0700
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 09:15 -0700
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:43 -0500
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-21 15:56 -0700
              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-20 22:26 +0000
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-06-20 15:33 -0700
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:12 -0700
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-21 00:05 +0000
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-21 01:10 +0000
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:47 -0400
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 19:16 -0700
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:19 -0700
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-21 02:22 +0000
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:19 -0700
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 17:44 -0700
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:24 -0700
                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-21 17:02 +0000
                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-21 17:37 +0000
                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 13:31 +0000
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-22 13:35 +0000
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-22 15:52 +0000
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 17:45 +0100
                            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 17:00 +0000
                              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-22 17:05 +0000
                                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 17:39 +0000
                                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 14:23 -0400
                                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 21:08 +0000
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 00:01 -0400
                                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-22 19:46 +0000
                                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 13:24 -0700
                                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 14:06 -0700
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-22 21:27 -0700
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-06-23 10:08 +0100
                                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 21:10 +0000
                                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-22 19:45 +0000
                              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 23:14 -0600
                                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-25 14:15 +0000
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 23:13 -0600
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:28 -0700
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-06-22 17:41 +0000
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:43 -0700
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-22 21:30 -0700
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 05:36 +0000
                            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-06-23 10:49 -0700
                              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 18:50 +0000
                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 12:25 -0600
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 19:17 +0000
                          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-24 14:11 -0700
                            Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 00:47 +0000
                              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-24 23:12 -0600
                                Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 05:57 +0000
                                  Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 06:16 -0700
                                    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 10:01 -0700
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 10:32 -0700
                                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 10:43 -0700
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-25 17:47 +0000
                                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 11:08 -0700
                                      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-26 00:09 -0600
                        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-25 14:42 +0000
              Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2018-06-27 11:22 -0700
          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-21 09:43 -0700
        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-22 07:04 -0700
          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-22 07:21 -0700
          Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-06-22 23:46 +0000
    Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber MIKEN <burdsman35@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0700
      Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-06-21 01:46 +0000
        Re: "The Vote is in" by David Weber Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-20 21:41 -0700

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#494269

From	synthius2002@yahoo.com
Date	2018-06-27 11:24 -0700
Message-ID	<aa1b8882-0053-44e5-8d00-9ba5ef46e933@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#493906

RQ Trollpack (sp?) was so impressive I put together a team to create one in another culture.

Nils K. Hammer

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#494810

From	tsbrueni@gmail.com
Date	2018-07-13 06:24 -0700
Message-ID	<59e87370-765d-4041-825c-66e716f8957c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#494269

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 6:31:45 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
>     http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
> 
> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for 
> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the 
> 2018 convention is now closed."
> 
> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical 
> invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited, 
> will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online 
> after the invitations are announced."
> 
> Wow squared !

So guests who happen to be Trumpers would be protected?

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#494814

From	Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date	2018-07-13 09:15 -0700
Message-ID	<XnsA91E5E3B6C372taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to	#494810

tsbrueni@gmail.com wrote in
news:59e87370-765d-4041-825c-66e716f8957c@googlegroups.com: 

> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 6:31:45 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire
> wrote: 
>> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
>>     http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone
>>     .html 
>> 
>> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for 
>> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies
>> of the 2018 convention is now closed."
>> 
>> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue
>> apolitical invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that
>> guests, once invited, will not be disinvited because of
>> political hate campaigns waged online after the invitations are
>> announced." 
>> 
>> Wow squared !
> 
> So guests who happen to be Trumpers would be protected?
> 
As would, appaerntly, Clintonistas.

But, of course, only one side is so terrified of any opinion they 
don't agree with that they form mobs to suppress it.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#493941

From	David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net>
Date	2018-06-21 09:43 -0500
Message-ID	<f7adnddG3vHmJLbGnZ2dnUU7-a3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#493886

On 2018-06-20, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.

Well, and also in the hope that the bugfixes they've put in will curb some of
the brokenness and fix some of the issues the previous edition's gameplay and
rules had. D&D is somewhat extreme in this; 3rd Edition introduced entirely
new ways to use previous concepts and drastically unified the "roll a d20"
mechanism - but that was eclipsed by the changes made for 4th Edition. 5th
Edition in large part is much closer to 3E than to 4E, but hasn't gone all the
way back to the Open Gaming d20 System that 3E used (which made independent
game modules for it so attractive for other companies to mak, because for the
first time you COULD without explicitly contacting TSR and getting permission).

> My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition
> coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one
> edition and is ten years old.

... one big reason for which is that Pathfinder, almost literally, _took over_
the D&D 3rd Edition rules, mechanics, and cosmos when Wizards movrd on to 4E,
because so many players and fans liked 3E so extremely much for various
reasons. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.

[Someone should probably have tried to get White Wolf to agree to much the same
sort of thing after they apocalyptically wound down their various World of
Darkness Lines - Mage, Vampire, werewolf, Wraith, Mummy, Changeling, etc. -
in preparaton for New World of Darkness, which is somewhat bland and
underpowered / unexciting in comparison. Oh well.]

> Paizo, the makers, have made their money in producing adventures paths
> (campaigns) for it and selling those, rather than upgrading the system. Given
> that they've produced over of these twenty and we're just about to start the
> second(*), I suspect we'll stick with it for some time.

Well, to be fair, they also make money by producing sourcebooks for it, though
they're nowhere near the overcompleteness that the TSR Monster Manual additions
had become by the time 3E / 3.5E ended.

Dave, Magic the Gathering also had fairly good reasons for its various rules
 upheavals, for example; they've been pretty stable, with only how-to-assign-
 blockers getting a makeover, since I left them in the early 2000s, and their
 new Editions are now merely changing the mix of which csrds are in the basic
 card set every 2 years, essentially
-- 
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#493987

From	Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date	2018-06-21 15:56 -0700
Message-ID	<80fc6a61-4431-4fd2-bec7-a29df248ce09@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#493941

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 12:43:15 AM UTC+10, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2018-06-20, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> > hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
> 
> Well, and also in the hope that the bugfixes they've put in will curb some of
> the brokenness and fix some of the issues the previous edition's gameplay and
> rules had. D&D is somewhat extreme in this; 3rd Edition introduced entirely
> new ways to use previous concepts and drastically unified the "roll a d20"
> mechanism - but that was eclipsed by the changes made for 4th Edition. 5th
> Edition in large part is much closer to 3E than to 4E, but hasn't gone all the
> way back to the Open Gaming d20 System that 3E used (which made independent
> game modules for it so attractive for other companies to mak, because for the
> first time you COULD without explicitly contacting TSR and getting permission).
> 
> > My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition
> > coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one
> > edition and is ten years old.
> 
> ... one big reason for which is that Pathfinder, almost literally, _took over_
> the D&D 3rd Edition rules, mechanics, and cosmos when Wizards movrd on to 4E,
> because so many players and fans liked 3E so extremely much for various
> reasons. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.

D&D3.5 was a very good system. 4th ed was a massive step backwards. I can see why they did it though. 3.5 (and Pathfinder) are very complex in the character setup and advancement. They made it simpler to encourage new players

> > Paizo, the makers, have made their money in producing adventures paths
> > (campaigns) for it and selling those, rather than upgrading the system. Given
> > that they've produced over of these twenty and we're just about to start the
> > second(*), I suspect we'll stick with it for some time.
> 
> Well, to be fair, they also make money by producing sourcebooks for it, though
> they're nowhere near the overcompleteness that the TSR Monster Manual additions
> had become by the time 3E / 3.5E ended.

Yeah, but as you know Bob, the sourcebooks aren't required to play the game as everything you need is thoroughly indexed on the paizo site or at d20pfsrd.com. Forex, one of my players is designing a Kitsune Oracle. Kitsune's are from the Advanced Race Guide, the Oracle class is from the Advanced Players Guide and it's archetypes and variations are in the Advanced Class Guide. But we don't need to buy those books, as all we need is at:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/uncommonRaces/kitsune.html

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/baseClasses/oracle.html

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/classOptions/oracle.html

The only sourcebook I'd say you really need in physical form is the Core Rulebook. And even that's only one book, as opposed to the two (DM's Guide and Player's Handbook) that D&D uses.

OTOH to actually play the Strange Aeons adventure path, I've ponied up for:

Six adventure path modules.
One map folio
Two pawn collections, one specific to this adventure path and a generic one.

The maps and pawn collections probably aren't necessary, but they do make it easier to GM.

-Moriarty

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#493887

From	jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date	2018-06-20 22:26 +0000
Message-ID	<pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to	#493876

In article <pAn2rI.22Mu@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <pAMyyA.1u20@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>
>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>
>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>not a book.  Are we on the same page?

Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against 
the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
time and I get to look at the material immediately. 


1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
screens but they are handy for searches.
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#493892

From	Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com>
Date	2018-06-20 15:33 -0700
Message-ID	<09919672-f2e1-40f3-b8fa-fc8e277a30ce@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#493887

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:26:10 AM UTC+10, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <pAn2rI.22Mu@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >In article <pgeckp$qvj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> >>In article <pAMyyA.1u20@kithrup.com>,
> >>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
> >>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
> >>
> >>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
> >
> >Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
> >not a book.  Are we on the same page?
> 
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against 
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately. 

And many purchases of the physical book include the pdf thrown in.

> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
> screens but they are handy for searches.

I find it invaluable to have both on hand when GMing.

-Moriarty

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#493907

From	Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date	2018-06-20 16:12 -0700
Message-ID	<XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to	#493887

jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
> 
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.

I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
hell Amazon's format is called these days.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#493913

From	djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date	2018-06-21 00:05 +0000
Message-ID	<pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>
In reply to	#493907

In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>> 
>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>
>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
>hell Amazon's format is called these days.

I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#493916

From	jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date	2018-06-21 01:10 +0000
Message-ID	<pgetup$h3h$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to	#493913

In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>>> 
>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>
>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>
>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>
Amazon uses mobi. 

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#493925

From	J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date	2018-06-20 21:47 -0400
Message-ID	<l80midhuecoa6khi9uup918unm23emmbpc@4ax.com>
In reply to	#493916

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:10:50 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi. 

For certain values.

Amazon is moving to or has moved to a different format, KFX.

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#493926

From	hamish.laws@gmail.com
Date	2018-06-20 19:16 -0700
Message-ID	<a23b63ae-92b5-4138-bc09-555b1f2f93a9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#493925

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:47:13 AM UTC+10, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:10:50 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
> Nicoll) wrote:
> 
> >In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> >>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
> >>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> >>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
> >>>
> >>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
> >>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
> >>
> >>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
> >>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
> >>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
> >>
> >Amazon uses mobi. 
> 
> For certain values.
> 
> Amazon is moving to or has moved to a different format, KFX.

started with mobi format, they've used the azw & azw3 file formats as well

I think all of the amazon formats are basically extensions to and wrappers around mobi.

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#494031

From	Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date	2018-06-22 10:19 -0700
Message-ID	<XnsA909691B1692Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to	#493926

hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
news:a23b63ae-92b5-4138-bc09-555b1f2f93a9@googlegroups.com: 

> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:47:13 AM UTC+10, J. Clarke
> wrote: 
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:10:50 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com
>> (James Nicoll) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>> >>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com>
>> >>wrote: 
>> >>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>> >>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of
>> >>>> landscape laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>> >>>
>> >>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or
>> >>>whatever the hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>> >>
>> >>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>> >>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
>> >>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at
>> >>all. 
>> >>
>> >Amazon uses mobi. 
>> 
>> For certain values.
>> 
>> Amazon is moving to or has moved to a different format, KFX.
> 
> started with mobi format, they've used the azw & azw3 file
> formats as well 
> 
> I think all of the amazon formats are basically extensions to
> and wrappers around mobi. 
> 
Not all. Anything that relies heavily on grahpics is another format 
(not just comcis).

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#493927

From	djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date	2018-06-21 02:22 +0000
Message-ID	<pAnILC.u9y@kithrup.com>
In reply to	#493916

In article <pgetup$h3h$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi. 

Thank you, that sounds right.  Thank heaven it's Bill's problem,
not mine.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#494030

From	Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date	2018-06-22 10:19 -0700
Message-ID	<XnsA90968F9556B5taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to	#493916

jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in news:pgetup$h3h$1
@reader1.panix.com:

> In article <pAnC8F.HCp@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBDD3taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>>>> 
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses.  Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
> Amazon uses mobi. 
> 
Sort of, sometimes. It's not really .mobi any more, though, and 
hasn't been for a long, long time. (Tbey own the rights to the 
format, and can "update" is any time they want.) And they use other 
formats, too, some of which are utterly incomprehensible to any 
computer device not made by Amazon.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#493915

From	hamish.laws@gmail.com
Date	2018-06-20 17:44 -0700
Message-ID	<c677e103-73d0-42c3-82df-e3b73b32d086@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#493907

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:12 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
> news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
> > 
> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> > laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
> 
> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the 
> hell Amazon's format is called these days.
> 
Seconded.

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#494033

From	Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date	2018-06-22 10:24 -0700
Message-ID	<XnsA90969EB9974Ftaustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to	#493915

hamish.laws@gmail.com wrote in
news:c677e103-73d0-42c3-82df-e3b73b32d086@googlegroups.com: 

> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:12 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: 
>> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>> news:pgek9v$kri$1@reader1.panix.com: 
>> > 
>> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of
>> > landscape laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>> 
>> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever
>> the hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>> 
> Seconded.
> 
I will admit, though, that there are obstacles when trying to format 
a manuscript that relies heavily on tables.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#493956

From	Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date	2018-06-21 17:02 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnpinmgc.no6.carlf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to	#493887

On 2018-06-20, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <pAn2rI.22Mu@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In article <pAMyyA.1u20@kithrup.com>,
>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>>
>>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>
>>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>>not a book.  Are we on the same page?
>
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against 
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately. 
>
>
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
> screens but they are handy for searches.

I co-wrote an edition of RQ once myself. (I was the least important of 5 authors,
mind you.)

As for PDFs--they don't have to be portrait, but that's the common format
for reasons that boil down to tradition. You might consider getting a large
tablet. Android tablets are very inexpensive and you can hold them in
portrait mode while reading PDFs.

For that matter, my last laptop was a foldable that could turn into a tablet
and be used in landscape mode.
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu 
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink

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#493960

From	jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date	2018-06-21 17:37 +0000
Message-ID	<pggno3$6ub$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to	#493956

In article <slrnpinmgc.no6.carlf@panix5.panix.com>,
Carl Fink  <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>On 2018-06-20, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <pAn2rI.22Mu@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>>James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <pAMyyA.1u20@kithrup.com>,
>>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>>>
>>>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>>
>>>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>>>not a book.  Are we on the same page?
>>
>> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
>> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against 
>> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
>> time and I get to look at the material immediately. 
>>
>>
>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
>> screens but they are handy for searches.
>
>I co-wrote an edition of RQ once myself. (I was the least important of 5
>authors,
>mind you.)
>
>As for PDFs--they don't have to be portrait, but that's the common format
>for reasons that boil down to tradition. You might consider getting a large
>tablet. Android tablets are very inexpensive and you can hold them in
>portrait mode while reading PDFs.
>
I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
-- 
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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#494009

From	Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com>
Date	2018-06-22 13:31 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnpipui9.4l0.carlf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to	#493960

On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.

Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.

In fact, a quick search says that they can:
https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu 
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!

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