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  Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-19 16:11 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-06-19 09:31 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 10:19 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-19 17:26 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 17:23 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-19 11:17 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 19:22 +0000
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:02 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:56 -0500
                Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-21 16:36 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 00:32 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 16:03 +0000
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:57 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 10:37 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 17:21 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-19 17:57 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 19:25 +0000
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 15:04 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-19 19:54 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-06-19 13:05 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 16:37 -0400
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2018-06-20 07:49 +0100
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:59 -0500
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 23:57 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 15:06 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 23:55 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:55 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:19 +0300
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 08:46 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:13 +0300
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-21 13:13 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:41 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-19 12:41 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:58 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:37 -0400
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 22:12 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-06-22 11:14 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 12:21 -0700
                Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-23 08:35 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:02 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David Johnston <davidjohnston29yahoocom@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 12:57 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-19 14:49 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 00:00 +0000
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-19 19:10 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-19 23:13 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-20 14:33 -0700
                Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-20 15:44 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 00:29 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:54 -0500
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 10:05 -0500

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#493769

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-6, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> A lot of SF (milsf especially, of course) assumes a Space Navy with
> heavy wet Navy traditions.  In real life, it appeared for a long while
> that in the US, the "space" arm of the military would be the Air Force.
> 
> Now it appears we will have an actual "Space Force" separate from
> either older service:
> 
> 	https://www.space.com/40932-trump-space-force-next-steps.html
> 
> Of course, this is contingent on Congressional action, so it may all
> grind to a halt if the midterms shift control..
> 
> All apart from the important military ramifications, there should be some
> neat logos and patches..

I'm fairly confident that even now not enough Republicans would be in favour to make this manchild fantasy a reality.  

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#493778

On Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:57:26 UTC+1, David Johnston  wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-6, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > A lot of SF (milsf especially, of course) assumes a Space Navy with
> > heavy wet Navy traditions.  In real life, it appeared for a long while
> > that in the US, the "space" arm of the military would be the Air Force.
> > 
> > Now it appears we will have an actual "Space Force" separate from
> > either older service:
> > 
> > 	https://www.space.com/40932-trump-space-force-next-steps.html
> > 
> > Of course, this is contingent on Congressional action, so it may all
> > grind to a halt if the midterms shift control..
> > 
> > All apart from the important military ramifications, there should be some
> > neat logos and patches..
> 
> I'm fairly confident that even now not enough Republicans would be in favour to make this manchild fantasy a reality.

In Marvel Comics, Captain Marvel is routinely called
"boss of space".  

She commands a world defence space base launched by Canada.

I mention it in the hope that America's little rocket man
has just exploded upon hearing of it.

Oh!  It's a joint venture with Wakanda.  You know, in 
Africa.  Do I hear...  well, I can wait.

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#493795

In article <23f261eb-a53b-4e2f-8c17-efc4b09496bb@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
>In Marvel Comics, Captain Marvel is routinely called
>"boss of space".  
>
>She commands a world defence space base launched by Canada.

She?  When did she transition?


-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#493804

On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:30:03 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> In article <23f261eb-a53b-4e2f-8c17-efc4b09496bb@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >In Marvel Comics, Captain Marvel is routinely called
> >"boss of space".  
> >
> >She commands a world defence space base launched by Canada.
> 
> She?  When did she transition?

Yup.  This isn't the DC Captain Marvel who says "Shazam";
Marvel Comics have had several, starting I think with
Mar-Vell from the planet Kree-Lar - no, that's his home
town, or something.  He died.  The current one is an 
associate of his, Carol Danvers, USAF, A.K.A. "Ms. Marvel"
back then.  The present "Ms. Marvel" is a teenaged Muslim
Inhuman from Jersey City.  For your convenience, a list:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel>

I think her space station blew up but she probably 
can get another one.  You've heard of S.H.I.E.L.D.,
she runs S.W.O.R.D.  (In space.)  They bicker.

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#493823

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:30:03 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> > In article <23f261eb-a53b-4e2f-8c17-efc4b09496bb@googlegroups.com>,
> > Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >In Marvel Comics, Captain Marvel is routinely called
> > >"boss of space".  
> > >
> > >She commands a world defence space base launched by Canada.
> > 
> > She?  When did she transition?
> 
> Yup.  This isn't the DC Captain Marvel who says "Shazam";

Nitpick: the Fawcett Comics original, purchased, eventually
by DC, which had licensed a revival years after trapping
The Big Red Cheese in legal suspendium with a lawsuit
over copyright violation endong in a consent decree and
a check to DC-National. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Comics_Publications,_Inc._v._Fawcett_Publications,_Inc.


> Marvel Comics have had several, starting I think with
> Mar-Vell from the planet Kree-Lar - no, that's his home
> town, or something. 

Planet Hala had the Kree race, with the capital of the Kree
empire, Kree-Lar.  


> He died.  The current one is an 
> associate of his, Carol Danvers, USAF, A.K.A. "Ms. Marvel"
> back then.  The present "Ms. Marvel" is a teenaged Muslim
> Inhuman from Jersey City.  For your convenience, a list:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel>
> 
> I think her space station blew up but she probably 
> can get another one.  You've heard of S.H.I.E.L.D.,
> she runs S.W.O.R.D.  (In space.)  They bicker.

Mary Marvel could have kicked her ass.  She wouldn't 
have, `cause Mary was nicer than that originally, and
with Athena's wisdom wouldn't have had to. [At least
before fanboy pervs in charge of the asylum turned MM
evil, and dirty/sexy, as opposed to Judy Garland-as-
Betsy Booth-wholesome-sexy.]  OBSFAuthors: Mary Marvel's
original scripter was Otto Binder.

Kevin R

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#493878

On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 07:13:51 UTC+1, Kevrob  wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:30:03 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> > > In article <23f261eb-a53b-4e2f-8c17-efc4b09496bb@googlegroups.com>,
> > > Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >In Marvel Comics, Captain Marvel is routinely called
> > > >"boss of space".  
> > > >
> > > >She commands a world defence space base launched by Canada.
> > > 
> > > She?  When did she transition?
> > 
> > Yup.  This isn't the DC Captain Marvel who says "Shazam";
> 
> Nitpick: the Fawcett Comics original, purchased, eventually
> by DC, which had licensed a revival years after trapping
> The Big Red Cheese in legal suspendium with a lawsuit
> over copyright violation endong in a consent decree and
> a check to DC-National. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Comics_Publications,_Inc._v._Fawcett_Publications,_Inc.
> 
> 
> > Marvel Comics have had several, starting I think with
> > Mar-Vell from the planet Kree-Lar - no, that's his home
> > town, or something. 
> 
> Planet Hala had the Kree race, with the capital of the Kree
> empire, Kree-Lar.  
> 
> 
> > He died.  The current one is an 
> > associate of his, Carol Danvers, USAF, A.K.A. "Ms. Marvel"
> > back then.  The present "Ms. Marvel" is a teenaged Muslim
> > Inhuman from Jersey City.  For your convenience, a list:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel>
> > 
> > I think her space station blew up but she probably 
> > can get another one.  You've heard of S.H.I.E.L.D.,
> > she runs S.W.O.R.D.  (In space.)  They bicker.
> 
> Mary Marvel could have kicked her ass.  She wouldn't 
> have, `cause Mary was nicer than that originally, and
> with Athena's wisdom wouldn't have had to. [At least
> before fanboy pervs in charge of the asylum turned MM
> evil, and dirty/sexy, as opposed to Judy Garland-as-
> Betsy Booth-wholesome-sexy.]  OBSFAuthors: Mary Marvel's
> original scripter was Otto Binder.
> 
> Kevin R

The DC Marvels are basically Superman, Supergirl, etc. 
Which is why DC had a problem with the line in the first
place.  Wizard or no.

Carol Danvers' powers include drawing on available 
energy sources; for a while she owned a white hole 
for this purpose.  So she can punch pretty hard.

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#493895

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:33:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:


> The DC Marvels are basically Superman, Supergirl, etc. 
> Which is why DC had a problem with the line in the first
> place.  Wizard or no.
> 

Captain Marvel and the Marvel family were created by Bill Parker
and CC Beck as boys' and girls' adventure story characters in the 
tradition of fairy tales.  Superman had science fiction roots.
Magic in a Superman story always seemed a bit out of place, with
an alternate (pseudo-)scientific explanation.  Mr Mxyzptlk doesn't
actually do magic: that's 5th Dimensional science that only seems
to be magic.

When the magic lightning factory was shut down in the 50s, many
of the Big Red Cheese's artists and writers wound up at DC.  Binder
wrote a ton of SUPERMAN, and Kurt Schaffenberger became THE artist
on the LOIS LANE comic.  Marvelian whimsy found its way into the
Kryptonian Chronicles, and while the SUPERMAN strip had never been
humorless, you had to go some to find a hero-strip that did humor
better than CAPTAIN MARVEL: PLASTIC MAN? THE SPIRIT? SPARKY WATTS? 

> Carol Danvers' powers include drawing on available 
> energy sources; for a while she owned a white hole 
> for this purpose.  So she can punch pretty hard.

Hey, she has a complicated history.  What Jim Shooter did
to her in 1980s issues of THE AVENGERS....(brrrrrr.)

Kevin R

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#493832

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-6, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> Now it appears we will have an actual "Space Force" separate from
> either older service:

According to an Ars Technica article on this, this will only deal with military 
space functions, and won't take over NASA. I was not aware that the United States 
had militarized space to an extent that would make a force of this nature 
practical on its own.

A force consisting of generals and bureaucrats, but almost no fighting personnel 
is wasteful.

John Savard

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#493871

On 6/20/2018 2:29 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-6, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> 
>> Now it appears we will have an actual "Space Force" separate from
>> either older service:
> 
> According to an Ars Technica article on this, this will only deal with military
> space functions, and won't take over NASA. I was not aware that the United States
> had militarized space to an extent that would make a force of this nature
> practical on its own.
> 
> A force consisting of generals and bureaucrats, but almost no fighting personnel
> is wasteful.
> 
> John Savard

You do know that the US Air Force has their own fleet of downsized space 
shuttles, don't you ?
    https://www.space.com/25275-x37b-space-plane.html

Lynn

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#493946

On 2018-06-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> A force consisting of generals and bureaucrats, but almost no fighting
> personnel is wasteful.

ObSF: Yet that's exactly how Ozma's fighting force based in the Emerald City
was organized. As was Ann Soforth's (Queen of Oogaboo) in Tik-Tok of OZ;
luckily they had a good gun tree handy to pick a nice ripe musket off of for
use by the one Private.

Dave, this organization also exemplifies what happens when you let people pick
 their own ranks instead of making them work their way up
-- 
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It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
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