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  Hawaii and Pele peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-05-23 00:45 -0700
    Re: Hawaii and Pele Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:16 -0700
      Re: Hawaii and Pele "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2018-05-23 18:32 +0100
        Re: Hawaii and Pele Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 11:45 -0700
        Re: Hawaii and Pele djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-23 19:22 +0000
      Re: Hawaii and Pele peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-05-23 18:23 -0700
        Re: Hawaii and Pele Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:55 -0500
          Re: Hawaii and Pele djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-25 13:26 +0000
    Re: Hawaii and Pele Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-23 23:42 -0700
      Re: Hawaii and Pele djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-24 13:24 +0000
        Re: Hawaii and Pele jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-05-24 14:00 +0000
          Re: Hawaii and Pele Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:11 -0400
            Re: Hawaii and Pele Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-24 12:41 -0700
              Re: Hawaii and Pele Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:21 -0700
            Re: Hawaii and Pele mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-24 20:39 +0000
              Re: Hawaii and Pele Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:19 -0400
                Re: Hawaii and Pele Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-24 15:15 -0700
                  Re: Hawaii and Pele Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 02:17 -0400
                    Re: Hawaii and Pele Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-25 07:30 -0700
                  Re: Hawaii and Pele scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-25 15:08 +0000
                    Re: Hawaii and Pele ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-25 16:37 +0000
                      Re: Hawaii and Pele Leo Sgouros <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:46 -0700
                        Re: Hawaii and Pele Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-25 10:05 -0700
                    Re: Hawaii and Pele Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 13:00 -0400
                      Re: Hawaii and Pele Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-25 10:50 -0700
                      Re: Hawaii and Pele Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-26 05:22 -0700
                    Re: Hawaii and Pele djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-25 18:26 +0000
                      Re: Hawaii and Pele ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-25 18:54 +0000
                        Re: Hawaii and Pele djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-25 20:09 +0000
            Re: Hawaii and Pele Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 21:07 -0700
              Re: Hawaii and Pele Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-06-01 23:47 -0300
                Re: Hawaii and Pele Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-01 22:17 -0600
    Re: Hawaii and Pele Leo Sgouros <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 07:06 -0700
      Re: Hawaii and Pele Leo Sgouros <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 07:13 -0700

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#492533

In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>> see on the news.
>>
>>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>
>OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.

Debra Dunbar's Amber, a half-elf, half-succubus, ended up in a threesome
with Pele in _Sins Of The Flesh_.  She (Amber) is able to use the energy
to reverse a blight on the islands.
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#492534

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 11:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
> >>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >>
> >>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
> >>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
> >>> see on the news.
> >>
> >>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
> >
> >OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
> 
> Debra Dunbar's Amber, a half-elf, half-succubus, ended up in a threesome
> with Pele in _Sins Of The Flesh_.  She (Amber) is able to use the energy
> to reverse a blight on the islands.
> -- 
> ------
> columbiaclosings.com
> What's not in Columbia anymore..

SportFootballNews & Comment
Pele collapses: Brazil football legend hospitalised due to ‘severe exhaustion’
Pele – widely regarded as the greatest footballer of all-time – “has undergone a series of tests which appear to point to severe exhaustion”

Luke Brown @lukedbrown Friday 19 January 2018 14:14 GMT

Just thought I should mention it.
Does he know he is named after a gurl? ;-)

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#492536

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 12:46:09 PM UTC-4, Leo Sgouros wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 11:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
> > Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
> > >>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
> > >>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
> > >>> see on the news.
> > >>
> > >>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
> > >
> > >OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
> > 
> > Debra Dunbar's Amber, a half-elf, half-succubus, ended up in a threesome
> > with Pele in _Sins Of The Flesh_.  She (Amber) is able to use the energy
> > to reverse a blight on the islands.
> > -- 
> > ------
> > columbiaclosings.com
> > What's not in Columbia anymore..
> 
> SportFootballNews & Comment
> Pele collapses: Brazil football legend hospitalised due to ‘severe exhaustion’
> Pele – widely regarded as the greatest footballer of all-time – “has undergone a series of tests which appear to point to severe exhaustion”
> 
> Luke Brown @lukedbrown Friday 19 January 2018 14:14 GMT
> 
> Just thought I should mention it.
> Does he know he is named after a gurl? ;-)

If by "gurl" you mean "goalkeeper José Lino."

https://preview.tinyurl.com/Bile-Pele  OR

https://tinyurl.com/Bile-Pele

which resolves to a page from Pele's (the footballer's)
autobiography:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NalAgJSnEUUC&pg=PT34&lpg=PT34&dq=Bil%C3%A9+goalkeeper&source=bl&ots=sysK4H4ywV&sig=FDbEaj1npEZNvV7Ex-x1XDjChOU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh0bLAq6HbAhXxwVkKHctXBg84ChDoAQhAMAQ#v=onepage&q=Bil%C3%A9%20goalkeeper&f=false

There's an accent over the footballer's final vowel,
so Pele and Pelé aren't actually identical.

Kevin R

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#492535

On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:08:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>> see on the news.
>>
>>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>
>OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.

The Hawaiians are very definite about Pele being female.  No ambiguity
whatsoever.  She's straight, too, and has been known to take an
interest in handsome young men.




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My latest novel is Stone Unturned:  A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml

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#492539

On 5/25/2018 10:00 AM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:08:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
> 
>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>>> see on the news.
>>>
>>> Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>>
>> OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
> 
> The Hawaiians are very definite about Pele being female.  No ambiguity
> whatsoever.  She's straight, too, and has been known to take an
> interest in handsome young men.
> 
A common hobby among gods.


-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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#492555

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:00:40 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans  wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:08:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
> 
> >Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
> >>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >>
> >>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
> >>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
> >>> see on the news.
> >>
> >>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
> >
> >OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
> 
> The Hawaiians are very definite about Pele being female.  No ambiguity
> whatsoever.  She's straight, too, and has been known to take an
> interest in handsome young men.

These days, calling a female member of Equity 
an actress can give offence.  I don't know if it's
the same for supernatural beings - and I suppose 
you've considered this carefully...  and so have
the Hawaiians.

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#492540

In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>> see on the news.
>>
>>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>
>OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.

Now I'm remembering a cartoon from long ago (New Yorker, maybe?)
showing the inhabitants of a tropical island watching the local
volcano spouting an exaltation of fireworks.  "Whatever the gods
are, they aren't angry."

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#492542

In article <p9Ar81.7xI@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>>> see on the news.
>>>
>>>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>>
>>OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
>
>Now I'm remembering a cartoon from long ago (New Yorker, maybe?)
>showing the inhabitants of a tropical island watching the local
>volcano spouting an exaltation of fireworks.  "Whatever the gods
>are, they aren't angry."
>

It's an Aadams:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s57ISZAyJXI/RzFmz-ZEItI/AAAAAAAAAdk/CpALaAMYSWs/
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#492544

In article <fmr4f0F729vU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <p9Ar81.7xI@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <yFVNC.174857$LR2.124987@fx41.iad>,
>>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> writes:
>>>>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That Zone 2 and 3 area in the southwest is the Kona coast.  The
>>>>> eastern half of the Kilauea Zone 1 is the present-day hellscape you
>>>>> see on the news.
>>>>
>>>>Have any Slayers started showing up....?
>>>
>>>OBSF, one of the Mercy Thompson books featured a volcano god.
>>
>>Now I'm remembering a cartoon from long ago (New Yorker, maybe?)
>>showing the inhabitants of a tropical island watching the local
>>volcano spouting an exaltation of fireworks.  "Whatever the gods
>>are, they aren't angry."
>>
>
>It's an Addams:
>
>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s57ISZAyJXI/RzFmz-ZEItI/AAAAAAAAAdk/CpALaAMYSWs/

Ah, so it is!  Remarkably cheerful, as Addams's works go.

Bookmarked.  Thanks.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#492735

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 1:11:51 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 14:00:48 +0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
> Nicoll) wrote:
> 
> >In article <p98IL2.1q01@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>In article <be8f31df-7e78-42d2-9639-c4066e6f1bfe@googlegroups.com>,
> >>Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> >>>What about property insurance in Hawaii?  Does it cover
> >>>Act of Volcano God?
> >>
> >>Hal says: "Yes, but it's extremely expensive.  Your fire insurance
> >>can cover volcano damage if you can prove that the house caught
> >>fire.  All insurance is priced to cover risk."  (He's been
> >>spending a lot of time watching volcano news, much of it copied
> >>from the local news channels.
> >
> >I bet it varies greatly by where one is on the Big Island. As
> >I recall (I don't have the relevent map handy), you're a lot less
> >likely to experience an unrequested lava excess in the north 
> >west of the island than the south east. 
> 
> There are no currently active volcanoes on any of the islands except
> Hawaii itself.
> 
> The big island has five and a half volcanoes -- Kohala, Hualalai,
> Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa, Kilauea, and an undersea one just off the
> southeastern coast called Loihi.  Kohala and Mauna Kea are extinct,
> Hualali is nominally active but hasn't erupted since 1801, and the
> other three are all still very much alive.

Earthquakes still appear to have their epicenter below Mauna Kea at times, and there was an eruption in historical times one island up the chain, too.  So I wouldn't want to absolutely rule out Mauna Kea doing something eventually.

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#492770

On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:07:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny1A
<johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote:

> Earthquakes still appear to have their epicenter below Mauna Kea at times, 

Isn't an epicenter, by definition, on the surface?

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

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#492773

Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:07:38 -0700 (PDT), Johnny1A
><johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Earthquakes still appear to have their epicenter below Mauna Kea at times, 
>
>Isn't an epicenter, by definition, on the surface?

Yup.  Epi means above (like epinephrin is made above the kidneys.  As
opposed to the latin version ad renal = towards ??? the kidney)
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#492468

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 2:45:17 AM UTC-5, peterw...@hotmail.com wrote:
> From the _New York Times_, May 21, 2018:
> 
> When the rivers of lava forced thousands to flee this month, 
> many people on Hawaii’s Big Island pointed with awe toward 
> the drizzle-shrouded volcanic crater where Pele — known as 
> “the woman who devours the earth” — usually dwells.
>                ...
> “Our deity is coming down to play,” said Lokelani Puha, 52, a 
> hula dancer and poet who evacuated as the lava encroached, 
> referring to Hawaii’s goddess of volcanoes and fire. “There’s 
> nothing to do when Pele makes up her mind but accept her will.”
> 

And thanks to SCIENCE! we have determined her eyes are brown.
"What in the world can make a brown-eyed girl turn blue"
Roxette, 
"She's Got The Look"

https://earther.com/now-kilaueas-eruption-is-producing-wild-blue-flames-1826266419

:-)

               ...
> Hawaiians have endured the overthrow of their kingdom, annexation 
> by the United States and policies aimed at obliterating the 
> Hawaiian language. But in a striking display of the resilience 
> and adaptability of Native Hawaiian culture, the exaltation 
> of Pele has not only persisted through the centuries, but 
> seems to be strengthening with every bone-rattling eruption 
> of Hawaii’s volcanoes.
>                   ...
> The Kilauea volcano has already laid waste to dozens of homes this month, 
> triggering earthquakes, releasing lethal gases and setting forests ablaze, 
> and on Monday it showed few signs of subsiding.
>                   ...
> And yet many living in Kilauea’s shadow welcome the eruption, express 
> reverence for Pele and thank her — even when the lava destroys their home.
>                   ...
> “My house was an offering for Pele,” said Monica Devlin, 71, a retired 
> schoolteacher whose home was destroyed by a lava flow. “I’ve been in her 
> backyard for 30 years,” she reflected, doing the math on when she moved 
> here from Northern California. “In that time I learned that Pele created 
> this island in all its stunning beauty. It’s an awe-inspiring process 
> of destruction and creation and I was lucky to glimpse it.”
> 
> The last paragraph suggests an interesting possibility. In western
> culture the geological age of the Earth was only discovered a
> few centuries ago. The Polynesians could see volcanoes spew out lava,
> see the lava flow downhill, and see lava cool into rock, adding to
> the bulk of the island. They could also see volcanic islands of 
> widely different sizes. If they believed that the entire volume
> of a big island like Oahu had come from lava flows, then comparing
> the size of the island to the observed accumulation of new material 
> over a person's lifetime would give some measure of how old the
> island would have to be.
>   
> Peter Wezeman
> anti-social Darwinist
> 
> Mo-hole! Mo-hole! A driller's life for me!

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#492469

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 9:06:22 AM UTC-5, Leo Sgouros wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 2:45:17 AM UTC-5, peterw...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > From the _New York Times_, May 21, 2018:
> > 
> > When the rivers of lava forced thousands to flee this month, 
> > many people on Hawaii’s Big Island pointed with awe toward 
> > the drizzle-shrouded volcanic crater where Pele — known as 
> > “the woman who devours the earth” — usually dwells.
> >                ...
> > “Our deity is coming down to play,” said Lokelani Puha, 52, a 
> > hula dancer and poet who evacuated as the lava encroached, 
> > referring to Hawaii’s goddess of volcanoes and fire. “There’s 
> > nothing to do when Pele makes up her mind but accept her will.”
> > 
> 
> And thanks to SCIENCE! we have determined her eyes are brown.
> "What in the world can make a brown-eyed girl turn blue"
> Roxette, 
> "She's Got The Look"
> 
> https://earther.com/now-kilaueas-eruption-is-producing-wild-blue-flames-1826266419
> 
> :-)
> 
>                ...
> > Hawaiians have endured the overthrow of their kingdom, annexation 
> > by the United States and policies aimed at obliterating the 
> > Hawaiian language. But in a striking display of the resilience 
> > and adaptability of Native Hawaiian culture, the exaltation 
> > of Pele has not only persisted through the centuries, but 
> > seems to be strengthening with every bone-rattling eruption 
> > of Hawaii’s volcanoes.
> >                   ...
> > The Kilauea volcano has already laid waste to dozens of homes this month, 
> > triggering earthquakes, releasing lethal gases and setting forests ablaze, 
> > and on Monday it showed few signs of subsiding.
> >                   ...
> > And yet many living in Kilauea’s shadow welcome the eruption, express 
> > reverence for Pele and thank her — even when the lava destroys their home.
> >                   ...
> > “My house was an offering for Pele,” said Monica Devlin, 71, a retired 
> > schoolteacher whose home was destroyed by a lava flow. “I’ve been in her 
> > backyard for 30 years,” she reflected, doing the math on when she moved 
> > here from Northern California. “In that time I learned that Pele created 
> > this island in all its stunning beauty. It’s an awe-inspiring process 
> > of destruction and creation and I was lucky to glimpse it.”
> > 
> > The last paragraph suggests an interesting possibility. In western
> > culture the geological age of the Earth was only discovered a
> > few centuries ago. The Polynesians could see volcanoes spew out lava,
> > see the lava flow downhill, and see lava cool into rock, adding to
> > the bulk of the island. They could also see volcanic islands of 
> > widely different sizes. If they believed that the entire volume
> > of a big island like Oahu had come from lava flows, then comparing
> > the size of the island to the observed accumulation of new material 
> > over a person's lifetime would give some measure of how old the
> > island would have to be.
> >   
> > Peter Wezeman
> > anti-social Darwinist
> > 
> > Mo-hole! Mo-hole! A driller's life for me!

Whoops, can't forget the sci-fi, keep it on topic, all that and more!

"Are you aware," he asked his imaginary visitor, "that the hula preserves an ancient sign language which once belonged only to males? You've never heard of the hula'' Of course. Who dances it anymore? Dancers have preserved many things, though. The translations have been lost, but I know them.

God Emperor Of Dune

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