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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-30 02:29 -0700 |
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Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:29 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-04-30 08:09 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 14:04 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-30 08:55 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 08:30 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 21:02 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 22:21 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 22:24 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-05-02 09:45 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2018-05-02 17:24 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:10 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-03 13:06 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2018-05-04 10:10 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-30 20:30 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:27 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:15 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-01 13:24 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-02 05:49 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:34 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:31 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2018-05-01 19:10 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-30 07:54 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-30 09:41 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-03 10:02 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 10:49 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 11:23 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-03 12:15 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 13:02 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 18:56 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-03 23:28 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-05-04 01:40 +0100
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:56 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-05-03 19:42 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-04 04:10 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 22:54 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-03 22:29 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:58 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 09:17 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-04 09:40 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 14:45 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:18 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-03 20:02 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-04-30 11:44 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:50 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-30 16:55 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:59 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:24 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:26 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:48 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 18:03 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 16:50 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 19:12 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:35 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:47 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:28 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:41 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:43 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 18:00 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 16:48 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-02 03:01 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-02 03:02 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:48 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:53 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-02 00:11 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-04-30 16:54 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2018-05-01 19:38 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:17 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-01 00:03 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:46 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:38 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-01 05:21 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 08:49 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-05-01 12:10 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:12 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:34 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:53 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 19:41 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:49 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 19:36 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 09:25 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:49 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 14:45 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:07 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:10 -0400
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-05-02 21:09 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:23 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 22:43 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 21:49 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 08:10 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:21 -0500
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:14 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:15 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-30 21:55 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-01 05:26 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-01 21:39 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-02 05:01 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 23:17 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:45 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-05-04 06:28 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-04 14:41 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 09:16 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 11:05 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-04 14:45 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:11 -0600
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 15:19 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-01 14:23 -0700
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-01 21:30 +0000
Re: Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 06:25 -0500
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 02:29 -0700 |
| Subject | Who do you rate as your best read in science fiction? |
| Message-ID | <f0f6bfd9-a279-491a-8a45-31027983e7b2@googlegroups.com> |
I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read _Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I find most impressive. The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers. But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories. Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name anyone.
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| From | Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 08:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pc74ih$tvl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491329 |
On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read _Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I find most impressive.
>
> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers. But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories.
>
> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name anyone.
>
>
My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
"Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
Bill
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 14:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p804FF.10F8@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #491332 |
In article <pc74ih$tvl$1@dont-email.me>, Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote:
>On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
>> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to
>best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the
>best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite
>read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read
>_Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite
>writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of
>the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I
>find most impressive.
>>
>> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She
>takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something
>special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel
>Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies
>is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers.
>But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning
>performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would
>otherwise be very ordinary stories.
>>
>> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
>fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I
>can name anyone.
>>
>>
>My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
>"Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
>Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
>We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
Well, think how long it took Tolkien to write ... anything.
I was going to nominate Wrede myself, but y'know, there are still
people on this group who will yell "BUT THAT'S NOT SF, THAT'S
FANTASY!" So nyah to them.
She has a blog, which I read faithfully, and a year or so ago she
asked for ideas about, IIRC, a (fictional) place where three
competitive empires could meet on neutral ground. So we all made
suggestions, and we haven't heard a peep about it since.
Patience is a virtue.
(Now I'm forgetting what fictional character tells another
character to be patient and wait for something to happen: "My
mother had to wait nine months for *me*.")
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 08:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <15f4752e-f68b-4348-a799-d5b37b330acf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491339 |
On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 10:30:06 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <pc74ih$tvl$1@dont-email.me>, Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote:
> >On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> >> I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to
> >best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the
> >best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite
> >read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read
> >_Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite
> >writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of
> >the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I
> >find most impressive.
> >>
> >> The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She
> >takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something
> >special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel
> >Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies
> >is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers.
> >But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning
> >performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would
> >otherwise be very ordinary stories.
> >>
> >> Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
> >fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I
> >can name anyone.
> >>
> >>
> >My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
> >"Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
> >Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
> >We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
>
> Well, think how long it took Tolkien to write ... anything.
>
> I was going to nominate Wrede myself, but y'know, there are still
> people on this group who will yell "BUT THAT'S NOT SF, THAT'S
> FANTASY!" So nyah to them.
>
> She has a blog, which I read faithfully, and a year or so ago she
> asked for ideas about, IIRC, a (fictional) place where three
> competitive empires could meet on neutral ground. So we all made
> suggestions, and we haven't heard a peep about it since.
> Patience is a virtue.
>
> (Now I'm forgetting what fictional character tells another
> character to be patient and wait for something to happen: "My
> mother had to wait nine months for *me*.")
>
No reason not to have a parallel thread, or rename this to "Best
reads in SF/F," and nominate one of each.
Sometimes you can kill 2 birds: Poul Anderson, for example.
I love F. Paul Wilson, who is a triple threat: SF, fantasy and Horror,
sometimes all smooshed together.
Kevin R
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 08:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9a4d46af-03f1-4bdf-99b0-13dbdde782be@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491332 |
On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 9:09:39 AM UTC-4, Bill Gill wrote:
> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> > I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read _Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I find most impressive.
> >
> > The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers. But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would otherwise be very ordinary stories.
> >
> > Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name anyone.
> >
> >
> My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
> "Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
> Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
> We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
>
> Bill
Thanks. I was hoping to discover some new names. Patricia Wrede is new to me.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-30 21:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p80nry.x8@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #491342 |
In article <9a4d46af-03f1-4bdf-99b0-13dbdde782be@googlegroups.com>,
The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 9:09:39 AM UTC-4, Bill Gill wrote:
>> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
>> > I quite deliberately posed the question as "best read" as opposed to
>best writer, because I think that far more factors go into being the
>best writer than simply having the best writing style. My favorite
>read is _Dan Simmons_, but he is not my favorite writer. Before I read
>_Dan Simmons_, _Orson Scott Card_ was my favorite read. My favorite
>writer is _C J Cherryh_. I am in awe of her ability to evoke a sense of
>the alien in the ET's she writes about. Even so, she is not the writer I
>find most impressive.
>> >
>> > The writer I find most impressive is _Lois McMaster Bujold_. She
>takes stories which are conceptually quite ordinary and makes something
>special out of them. Whenever I read her books, I am reminded of _Denzel
>Washington_ in _Training Day_. Without his performance, that movies
>is a nothing movie. There are hundreds like it that no one remembers.
>But people remember _Training Day_ because of his Oscar-winning
>performance. This is what _Lois McMaster Bujold_ does to what would
>otherwise be very ordinary stories.
>> >
>> > Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
>fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I
>can name anyone.
>> >
>> >
>> My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
>> "Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
>> Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
>> We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
>>
>> Bill
>
>Thanks. I was hoping to discover some new names. Patricia Wrede is new to me.
You have some good reading ahead of you. Her early work was
standard-issue fantasy set in a world called Lyra; the best of
these is _The Raven Ring._
She then wrote several alt-worlds, Regency-era with magic, some
with Caroline Stevermer:
Sorcery and Cecelia
The Grand Tour
The Misslaid Magician
(Stevermer also wrote a YA adventure in the same world, _Magic
Below Stairs,_ which you should not miss either.)
and two by herself, _Mairelon the Magician_ and _The Magician's
Ward._
Meanwhile, Stevermer has written two volumes of what *ought* to
be (and I hope for) a four-volume series, _A College of Magics_
and _A Scholar of Magics._ Don't miss those either.
The Frontier Trilogy is Wrede's most recent work; as noted
upthread, she takes a while to put it all together.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 22:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wcSdnQc46-mvQHrHnZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491342 |
On 2018-04-30, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 9:09:39 AM UTC-4, Bill Gill wrote:
>> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
>> > Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name
anyone.
>>
>> My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
>> "Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
>> Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
>> We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
>
> Thanks. I was hoping to discover some new names. Patricia Wrede is new to me.
If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to
Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only
has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara /
West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one
more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now.
Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and
Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status...
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 22:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wcSdnQY46-l1QHrHnZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491408 |
On 2018-05-01, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: > If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to > Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only > has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara > / West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one > more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now. And, duh, Daniel Keys Moran, though he's not the one I wasn't recalling. And Sucharitkul's Inquestor tetralogy. Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | 103134.3516@compuserve.com |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 09:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0990a37d-214e-4494-a976-cb1b3716def1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491409 |
On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:24:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote: > On 2018-05-01, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: > > If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to > > Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only > > has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara > > / West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one > > more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now. > > And, duh, Daniel Keys Moran, though he's not the one I wasn't recalling. And > Sucharitkul's Inquestor tetralogy. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/147-3298840-0763569?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Sucharitkul+Inquestor Result: 'We found 0 results for "sucharitkul inquisitor"' Spell-corrected without recourse. JimboCat -- "...the sky turned and the pole-star rose." [J.P. Sullivan]
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| From | The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 17:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pccs91$rgd$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491522 |
<103134.3516@compuserve.com> wrote: > On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:24:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote: >> On 2018-05-01, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to >>> Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only >>> has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara >>> / West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one >>> more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now. >> >> And, duh, Daniel Keys Moran, though he's not the one I wasn't recalling. And >> Sucharitkul's Inquestor tetralogy. > > https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/147-3298840-0763569?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Sucharitkul+Inquestor > > Result: 'We found 0 results for "sucharitkul inquisitor"' > > Spell-corrected without recourse. > > JimboCat You want “Chronicles of the High Inquest”. Published, in the UK at least, under his most common pen name, SP Somtow. -- There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 06:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6I-dnR8Kq_ypc3fHnZ2dnUU7-KnNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491524 |
On 2018-05-02, The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
><103134.3516@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:24:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
>>> On 2018-05-01, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> And, duh, Daniel Keys Moran, though he's not the one I wasn't recalling. And
>>> Sucharitkul's Inquestor tetralogy.
>>
>> Result: 'We found 0 results for "sucharitkul inquisitor"'
>>
>> Spell-corrected without recourse.
Huh. My Google brings up multiple correct hits, w/the correct spelling of
Inquestor anyway.
> You want ???Chronicles of the High Inquest???. Published, in the UK at least,
> under his most common pen name, SP Somtow.
Light on the Sound, The Throne of Madness, Utopia Hunters, The Darkling Wind.
Sweeping spaceopera told in a high mythic style. Caste systems, Inquestors
with absolute power who {play a game / enact a rite / make war on each other /
sorrowfully dam history at its roots} that ALWAYS ends with at least one
inhabited planet Falling Beyond, its people compassionately evacuated and towed
in stasis pods to other worlds to resettle behind starships whose navigation is
made possible by the extracted giant brains of a certain species of VERY
dangerous - ideologically, they wouldn't physically hurt a fly - space
cetaceans, and yes that's a lot for one sentence but it doesn't even BEGIN to
cover the major plotlines and wars.
Kelver, the protagonist, is a native of the world Gallendys, with the enormous
hollow mountain inside of which the spacewhales live and a separate race of
people, rendered compassionately blind and deaf by the Inquest, harvest their
brains from sailing skiffs and send them quick-frozen down the Cold River
pipeline to the planet's one city, .... aaand searching for its name brings
me somehow to a post of mine from 2007 at
< http://rec.arts.sf.written.narkive.com/b4mpM7FI/sucharitkul-s-inquestor
-series >
which gives entirely different descriptions and makes a point I'd entirely
forgotten about!
Anyway, Hijinx quickly Ensue, seals are broken, a terrifying journey, and
Kelver is inducted into a war he could never have imagined and raised to the
Clan of Ton. And that's all in the first book.
The series is over-the-top and glorious, and the fourth book has an appendix
that provides a Twist Ending. Dave-Bob says five screaming stars!
Dave, chocolate and marzipan under a pearled sky
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 13:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180503a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #491602 |
David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2018-05-02, The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>><103134.3516@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:24:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
>>>> On 2018-05-01, David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> And, duh, Daniel Keys Moran, though he's not the one I wasn't recalling. And
>>>> Sucharitkul's Inquestor tetralogy.
>>>
>>> Result: 'We found 0 results for "sucharitkul inquisitor"'
>>>
>>> Spell-corrected without recourse.
>
> Huh. My Google brings up multiple correct hits, w/the correct spelling of
> Inquestor anyway.
>
>> You want ???Chronicles of the High Inquest???. Published, in the UK at least,
>> under his most common pen name, SP Somtow.
>
> Light on the Sound, The Throne of Madness, Utopia Hunters, The Darkling Wind.
>
> Sweeping spaceopera told in a high mythic style. Caste systems, Inquestors
> with absolute power who {play a game / enact a rite / make war on each other /
> sorrowfully dam history at its roots} that ALWAYS ends with at least one
> inhabited planet Falling Beyond, its people compassionately evacuated and towed
> in stasis pods to other worlds to resettle behind starships whose navigation is
> made possible by the extracted giant brains of a certain species of VERY
> dangerous - ideologically, they wouldn't physically hurt a fly - space
> cetaceans, and yes that's a lot for one sentence but it doesn't even BEGIN to
> cover the major plotlines and wars.
>
> Kelver, the protagonist, is a native of the world Gallendys, with the enormous
> hollow mountain inside of which the spacewhales live and a separate race of
> people, rendered compassionately blind and deaf by the Inquest, harvest their
> brains from sailing skiffs and send them quick-frozen down the Cold River
> pipeline to the planet's one city, .... aaand searching for its name brings
> me somehow to a post of mine from 2007 at
>
> < http://rec.arts.sf.written.narkive.com/b4mpM7FI/sucharitkul-s-inquestor
> -series >
>
> which gives entirely different descriptions and makes a point I'd entirely
> forgotten about!
>
> Anyway, Hijinx quickly Ensue, seals are broken, a terrifying journey, and
> Kelver is inducted into a war he could never have imagined and raised to the
> Clan of Ton. And that's all in the first book.
>
> The series is over-the-top and glorious, and the fourth book has an appendix
> that provides a Twist Ending. Dave-Bob says five screaming stars!
>
> Dave, chocolate and marzipan under a pearled sky
Bless you David for using narkive.com. It's interesting (to me) how
narkive doesn't require secure sockets, nor javascript enabled for
itself and third party websites.
Your 2007 post ends up asking, "What sort of epiphanies have YOU-all
had this morning?
My epiphany is that narkive works better for me than the other guys'
website.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | 103134.3516@compuserve.com |
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| Date | 2018-05-04 10:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1a749109-4ff5-4776-bab6-84dd826eb804@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491602 |
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 7:10:51 AM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote: > Light on the Sound, The Throne of Madness, Utopia Hunters, The Darkling Wind. I read some of this when it was serialized in Asimov's, and liked it. I am now addicted to my e-reader, though. The first title I came across for the Inquestor series was _Utopia Hunters_ and there's no ebook so I gave up. But all three of the others DO have kindle editions! Added to my list. Maybe I can stand to buy a used paperback for the missing title. JimboCat -- "When all you have is cats, everything looks like a laser pointer..." [Dave DeLaney]
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 20:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e00e3ca7-724c-4d39-bfc2-040e16d91377@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491408 |
On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 1:21:30 PM UTC+10, David DeLaney wrote: <snip> > Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and > Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status... I take it you're not a fan of Erikson's Kharkanas books? I haven't started them yet as I'm halfway through a re-read of the Books of the Fallen. And what has Butcher done to earn this demotion? He hasn't published anything since 2015, unless I'm missing something. -Moriarty
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 21:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <934c0cd6-e489-43eb-af40-7c86b2be6b34@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491410 |
On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:30:18 PM UTC-4, Moriarty wrote: > On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 1:21:30 PM UTC+10, David DeLaney wrote: > > <snip> > > > Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and > > Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status... > > I take it you're not a fan of Erikson's Kharkanas books? I haven't started them yet as I'm halfway through a re-read of the Books of the Fallen. > > And what has Butcher done to earn this demotion? He hasn't published anything since 2015, unless I'm missing something. > > -Moriarty He'e been writing comics and collaborating with various authors in short story collections. But yes. nothing serious since 2015 that I know of.
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 06:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6I-dnR4Kq_yrcnfHnZ2dnUU7-KmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491410 |
On 2018-05-01, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 1:21:30 PM UTC+10, David DeLaney wrote: >> Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and >> Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status... > > I take it you're not a fan of Erikson's Kharkanas books? I haven't started > them yet as I'm halfway through a re-read of the Books of the Fallen. Oh, I'm still buying them in hardback, and the current series has shown itself to be okay - but Crack'd Pot Trail made me swear to NEVER again buy an Erikson book without investigating it first. Gaaaaah. > And what has Butcher done to earn this demotion? He hasn't published anything > since 2015, unless I'm missing something. The Aeronaut's Windlass, first in a new series recently, was good but not buy- the-hardback good, I found out after buying the hardback. oops. (He also has not been putting his books out in PAPERBACK since partway through his <Blank's> Fury series, only in Very Small Trade Paperback. Also gaaaah.) Dave, don't get me wrong, more Dresden? Will be snapped up in hardback with visible trailing speed lines -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2018-05-01 13:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WTZFC.19928$eR.5129@fx30.iad> |
| In reply to | #491408 |
David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> writes:
>On 2018-04-30, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 9:09:39 AM UTC-4, Bill Gill wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
>>> > Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
> fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name
> anyone.
>>>
>>> My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
>>> "Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
>>> Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
>>> We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
>>
>> Thanks. I was hoping to discover some new names. Patricia Wrede is new to me.
>
>If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to
>Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only
>has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara /
>West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one
>more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now.
Michelle Sagara-West is amonngst my regular re-reads, along with MiaHM, SiaSL
and a selection of Weber's (Dahak, Apocalypse troll).
Like Terry, I'm fond of _Cities in Flight_.
I recently enjoyed a re-read of Second Foundation. Refreshingly brief (208 e-pages)
when compared with Ms. West's tomes :-)
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 05:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fktmu2FqeurU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #491426 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: >Like Terry, I'm fond of _Cities in Flight_. The middle two. #1 and #4 never really worked for me. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-02 21:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c3331e91-5351-487d-9719-1d6f7bcf8311@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491408 |
On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:21:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2018-04-30, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 9:09:39 AM UTC-4, Bill Gill wrote:
> >> On 4/30/2018 4:29 AM, The Zygon wrote:
> >> > Even so, I would not name any of the above as the best science
> fiction/fantasy author I have read. Indeed, I am not certain that I can name
> anyone.
> >>
> >> My best read is the Frontier Magic series ("Thirteenth Child",
> >> "Across the Great Barrier", and "The Far West) by Patricia C. Wrede.
> >> Wrede is a really good writer, but she is amazingly slow.
> >> We have been waiting years for her next book to come out.
> >
> > Thanks. I was hoping to discover some new names. Patricia Wrede is new to me.
>
> If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to
> Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only
> has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara /
> West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one
> more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now.
>
> Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and
> Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status...
> --
> \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
> Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
By Erikson, do you mean Erik Erickson?
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-03 06:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d6mdnWXNT9e_bnfHnZ2dnUU7-YPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #491590 |
On 2018-05-03, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 11:21:30 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote: >> If we're including fantasy under SF, as usual, then I have to jump straight to >> Diane Duane. With Graydon Saunders not holding top spot only because he only >> has four books out. Right up near them are Diana Wynne Jones, Michelle Sagara / West, Larry Niven oddly enough, Doc Smith, and I _know_ there's at least one >> more giant-space-opera one but they're slipping my mind right now. >> >> Dave, there are certain authors I will buy in hardback on sight. Erikson and >> Butcher have both recently demoted themselves from this status... > > By Erikson, do you mean Erik Erickson? No - Stephen Erikson, author of the (finished) ten-volume Malazan Book of the Fallen series, and some accompanying thinner books about a pair of necromancers from the setting, and currently doing a prequel trilogy on the order of two hundred thousand years earlier. There are also a series of books by Esslemont filling in backstory, and recently a series focusing on the ascension of Dancer and Kellanved to the Malazan Empire's throne (and, along the way, on the beginnings of their _subsequent_ Ascension). What would happen if an archaeologist wrote high fantasy, and put in some TRULY Elder races? Read these and find out... Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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