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Undeservedly famous

Started byThe Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com>
First post2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
Last post2018-05-05 18:03 -0700
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  Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
    Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 23:30 -0600
      Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-14 03:44 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:16 -0400
          Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 21:40 +0300
          Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 19:28 -0700
            Re: Undeservedly famous Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-15 15:19 +1200
              Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:10 -0700
            Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-15 20:11 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:37 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:38 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:43 -0600
            Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 13:53 +0000
              Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:32 -0700
                Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 22:21 -0700
                  Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 01:39 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:26 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:35 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 18:44 -0600
          Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 23:03 +0000
      Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
    Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600
      Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500
      Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000
    Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000
      Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000
            Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700
              Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000
      Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000
      Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000
          Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700
            Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600
        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700
        Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000
            Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700
    Re: Undeservedly famous Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600
      Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500
          Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000
            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
              Re: Undeservedly famous D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000
                Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000
            Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600
            Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:01 -0700
          Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:02 -0600
            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:13 +0000
              Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:56 -0600
          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:09 +0000
          Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:43 -0600
            Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-15 16:45 +0000
      Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:42 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:41 -0600
        Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:46 -0600
      Re: Undeservedly famous eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-04-16 13:05 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:19 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-16 19:31 +0000
        Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:29 -0700
    Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:30 -0700
      Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:49 -0400
        Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:17 -0600
          Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:49 -0500
            Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 08:13 -0400
              Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:47 -0600
                Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000
                  Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600
                  Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000
                    Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600
                      Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700
                        Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
                          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000
                            Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600
                              Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000
                                Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700
                                Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400
                                Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:54 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 17:50 -0700
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:33 -0700
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:19 +0000
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-16 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:02 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:56 +0300
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 13:45 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:56 +0000
                                Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:16 -0700
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:33 +0000
                                Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 21:00 -0600
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:36 +0000
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 01:03 -0600
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:59 -0500
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 13:37 +0000
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 19:09 +0000
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 19:45 +0000
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 21:15 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:11 -0700
                                                Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:34 -0700
                                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 17:31 -0700
                                                    Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 05:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 22:41 -0700
                                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0700
                                                          Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:03 -0700
                                                            Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:40 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2018-04-18 20:04 +0000
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:17 -0500
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-21 06:27 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-21 10:37 -0700
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:38 +0000
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-18 21:15 -0600
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:15 -0500
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-04-18 22:26 +0100
                                Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-17 05:25 +0000
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 13:35 +0000
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-17 19:32 +0000
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:28 -0400
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:06 -0400
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:58 -0400
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 03:40 +0000
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-19 04:45 +0000
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-19 04:51 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:24 -0700
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:23 -0700
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-19 19:13 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:04 -0700
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:32 -0600
                            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:35 +0000
                              Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:05 -0600
                                Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:10 +0000
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:37 -0600
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:24 -0700
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 04:54 -0700
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 16:04 -0500
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 13:34 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:26 -0500
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:37 +0000
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-21 10:03 -0700
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-21 17:07 +0000
                                              Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 19:12 +0000
                                                Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-21 12:34 -0700
                                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-04-21 23:13 +0200
                                                    Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 21:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-21 15:19 -0700
                                Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 16:03 -0500
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-20 22:02 -0300
                            Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:58 -0400
                              Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:12 -0600
                              Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:05 +0000
                                Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-17 05:29 +0000
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 23:07 -0500
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:36 -0600
                            Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:00 -0700
                              Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:38 -0600
                            Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:54 -0500
                              Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:59 -0400
                              Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:10 -0500
                                Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-21 06:25 +0000
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-21 09:39 -0600
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-21 15:24 -0700
                        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:17 +0000
                          Re: Undeservedly famous Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:10 -0400
                            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:01 +0000
                          Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:15 -0400
                          Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:15 -0600
                            Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:38 +0000
                            Re: Undeservedly famous "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-04-18 22:41 +0100
                          Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-16 15:23 -0700
                            Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-16 15:36 -0700
                              Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:27 -0700
                                Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 23:40 +0000
                                  Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:10 -0700
                                    Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 22:00 +0000
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:36 -0700
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-17 17:20 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:39 +0000
                                      Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:31 -0400
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 02:41 +0000
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 06:41 +0000
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-19 16:14 -0700
                                            Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 17:33 -0700
                                        Re: Undeservedly famous Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-19 12:28 -0700
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:05 -0700
                                          Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 20:19 +0000
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#491115

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-04-26 13:10 +0000
Message-ID<p7sn93.1txK@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491096
In article <9334a305-8700-4d44-b9b1-f0ffd5a19b46@googlegroups.com>,
nuny@bid.nes <alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <tvednS0gcoH_1UPHnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> David DeLaney  <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 2018-04-21, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >> David DeLaney  <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>>> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table"
>> >>>> households, however.
>> >>>
>> >>>ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones.
>> >>>
>> >>>Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than today's
>> >>
>> >> Zenna Henderson?
>> >
>> >Technically, those -weren't- children's books.
>> 
>> True, although I was a child when I read them.
>
>  I had to get special written permission from my mother to access the
>not-kids part of the Montebello (CA) Public Library after burning
>through the kids' section at age seven.
>
>  Oh, the things my eyes then saw. As I look back I'm kinda surprised
>the library even *had* some of those books- De Sade and "worse"- in
>1960.
>
>  Of course I _began_ with the non-YA stuff of Heinlein, Asimov, and so
>forth but I read so fast I used them up real quick so after burning
>through the rest of the SF I started in on general fiction and then
>whatever I could find, especially stuff other authors referenced.

My mother read science fiction.  Mostly in the magazines: the
"Big Three", _Astounding_, _Galaxy_, and _F&SF._  There wasn't a
whole lot of SF in book form in the 1940s and 1950s.  (I do have a
couple of early 50s books, e.g., _Hero's Walk_ in a Ballantine
hardback.)

So I was reading adult SF from an early age.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491146

Fromgoldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Date2018-04-27 05:25 +0000
Message-ID<p7twE6.358@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491096
In article <9334a305-8700-4d44-b9b1-f0ffd5a19b46@googlegroups.com>,
nuny@bid.nes <alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>  I had to get special written permission from my mother to access the
>not-kids part of the Montebello (CA) Public Library after burning
>through the kids' section at age seven.

I'm surprised they let you back in at all, let alone with just a
special permission from a single parent. I suppose she paid, and
promised you'd never do it again?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |From the fortune cookie file:
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       |
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |"You have at your command the wisdom of the ages."

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#491159

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2018-04-27 09:29 -0700
Message-ID<436aff4b-ebfe-4d18-8754-c1b3606a8762@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#491146
He said burning _through_, not burning _up_.

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#491310

Fromgoldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Date2018-04-30 03:28 +0000
Message-ID<p7zAzM.1510@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491159
In article <436aff4b-ebfe-4d18-8754-c1b3606a8762@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>He said burning _through_, not burning _up_.

Through, up, what's the difference?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "No-one in the world ever gets what they want
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       |  And that is beautiful.
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  Everybody dies frustrated and sad
                           |  And that is beautiful."  -- TMBG           

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#491747

From"nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-04 20:55 -0700
Message-ID<4285fe03-5c34-4bd4-a6e5-a83756c0a442@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#491310
On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 8:45:06 PM UTC-7, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <436aff4b-ebfe-4d18-8754-c1b3606a8762@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >He said burning _through_, not burning _up_.
> 
> Through, up, what's the difference?

  The rays from my eyes allow me to read them- they don't combust.

  Actually, I was referring to the fact that I read quickly.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#491405

FromJoe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 02:02 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8D4C1C3E4010Kdeuramagmailcom@85.214.115.223>
In reply to#490908
David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote in 
news:tvednS0gcoH_1UPHnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> On 2018-04-21, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

>> David DeLaney  <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>On 2018-04-19, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:

>>>> These are often deprecated in "no reading at the dinner table"
>>>> households, however.

>>>ObSF: Which are far more common than "no flying in the house" ones.

>>>Dave, the children's books I remember were somewhat weirder than 
>>>today's

Maybe because you remember someone who didn't succeed as a children's 
book writer.  See below (after this next bit).

>> Zenna Henderson?

> Technically, those -weren't- children's books.

I doubt anyone who encountered them as a child cared much about that.  
I'm pretty sure my original copy of one People book was given me on a 
family trip, found at a gas station, no doubt because I'd whined a 
lot for it, or to shut me up more generally, or some such.

Some of her short stories were definitely published as for children 
by the time I was around to notice.  At least, <The Anything Box> 
looked like a kids' book to me, and was so shelved by my local 
library.  Um, I think.

> But no, that was the actual title of the book, protagonist could 
> kiss her elbow which was a sign of her Powers, and there was a 
> large evilish cat living there too.

<No Flying in the House> by Betty Brock, illustrated by Wallace Tripp.  
1970, apparently, so I'm surprised I never ran into it at the 
appropriate age.  But anyway there's a copy in the library I'm 
posting from.  So thank you.

(Amusingly to me, there's a Korean translation.  Also Japanese.)

A Betty Murphy Brock did a thesis, <A Study of the Novels of Reynolds 
Price>, in 1968.  On the other hand, a Betty Kephart Brock did one 
titled <The Earlier Remediation of At Risk Students>, which is 
actually about the use of standardised tests for that purpose, in 
1983. However, on the gripping hand, it appears from this site:

<http://biography.jrank.org/pages/398/Brock-Betty-Carter-1923-2003.html>

that our author is neither of these writers.  Her other books:

1971 - <The Shades>, illustrated by Victoria de Larrea.  Speculative 
   fiction for kids (the titular magical eyewear enable seeing ghosts).  
   Apparently not translated.

All sources named in this post attest this as hers.  It's much harder 
for me to reach, so I guess I'll decide after reading <No Flying in 
the House>.

2000 - <Reuben Brock, Jr. (1784-1848) and Descendants> by Clarence C. 
   and Betty C. Brock.

Not only does the cited site give her middle initial as C (for her 
maiden name, Carter, rather than for a middle name given her at birth), 
*and* mention her interest in genealogy, but the biography in 
<Something about the Author> volume 4, to which that site refers, 
says her husband was Clarence C. Brock.  A very safe bet.  Note that 
this is her husband's (and daughters') genealogy, probably not her 
own.  The only library claiming a copy in Worldcat is the Library of 
Congress, but I don't think I'd read it even if it were close by.

The SATA article describes her as primarily interested in fantasy, 
and working on a fantasy at a date when <The Shades> had already 
appeared.  She strikes me as a much more effectively erased writer 
than the ones James Nicoll has been writing about, though I admit I'm 
not current on that thread of his.

The article online also cites her obituary in <The Washington Post>, 
for 27 December 2003, which is more detailed in general than either 
SATA or the website named, but doesn't mention the 2000 book.

Joe Bernstein

PS I was tempted to list <...and He walks with me>, illustrated by 
Marianne Adams, published by "BB Ministries" of Camden, NC.  However, 
its author was an alumna of Old Dominion University, which Betty 
Carter Brock did not attend (and graduated when BCB was forty, at 
that).

<http://ww2.odu.edu/ao/alumni_magazine/fall03/recentbooks.html>

The Worldcat record dates it to 1981, but this 2003 magazine calls it 
"recent", so I dunno.

-- 
Joe Bernstein                                    <Kdeurama@gmail.com>

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#490698

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 10:27 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8C96A62998D1taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#490663
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com: 

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu
> (David Goldfarb) wrote:
> 
>>In article
>><052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>, Richard
>>Hershberger  <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>Yup.  All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and
>>>having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the
>>>literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization will
>>>collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will
>>>turn out to be a really great idea.  That sure will be egg on
>>>my face!  But I am playing the odds that civilization probably
>>>won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't collapse in a
>>>tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better off
>>>living my life.  
>>
>>Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the Kindle
>>apps on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync between them
>>so that I can move between one and the other. I read on the
>>tablet while eating, which is something I can't do with any
>>physical book -- the tablet lies flat, and I can reach out with
>>one hand from time to time to change the pages, whereas I have
>>never found a workable way to hold open a paper book 
> 
> Lay the edge of your plate on it.  Or at a fast food place the
> tray. 

Works really well if you like to use food stains as bookmarks.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#490701

FromPeter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 11:46 -0700
Message-ID<01d1de46-9cd6-4451-8a74-dcaee49fd75f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#490698
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com: 
> 
> > On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu
> > (David Goldfarb) wrote:
> > 
> >>In article
> >><052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>, Richard
> >>Hershberger  <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>Yup.  All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books and
> >>>having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the
> >>>literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization will
> >>>collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will
> >>>turn out to be a really great idea.  That sure will be egg on
> >>>my face!  But I am playing the odds that civilization probably
> >>>won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't collapse in a
> >>>tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I am better off
> >>>living my life.  
> >>
> >>Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the Kindle
> >>apps on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync between them
> >>so that I can move between one and the other. I read on the
> >>tablet while eating, which is something I can't do with any
> >>physical book -- the tablet lies flat, and I can reach out with
> >>one hand from time to time to change the pages, whereas I have
> >>never found a workable way to hold open a paper book 
> > 
> > Lay the edge of your plate on it.  Or at a fast food place the
> > tray. 
> 
> Works really well if you like to use food stains as bookmarks.

Google 'Leather Book Weight', and you'll find a wide variety of LBWs, which 
are designed to hold down the pages. Probably won't help with paperbacks.

I frequently use my tablet either in a while eating or seated at bar (alone,
I'm not an asshole), and there, I find I need something to prop it up at a
convenient angle - a salt shaker or a small shot glass does the trick.

pt

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#490709

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 12:58 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8C983F43B1E3taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#490701
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:01d1de46-9cd6-4451-8a74-dcaee49fd75f@googlegroups.com: 

> On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: 
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com: 
>> 
>> > On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu
>> > (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>> > 
>> >>In article
>> >><052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>Richard Hershberger  <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >>>Yup.  All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books
>> >>>and having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the
>> >>>literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization
>> >>>will collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho
>> >>>will turn out to be a really great idea.  That sure will be
>> >>>egg on my face!  But I am playing the odds that civilization
>> >>>probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't
>> >>>collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I
>> >>>am better off living my life.  
>> >>
>> >>Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the
>> >>Kindle apps on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync
>> >>between them so that I can move between one and the other. I
>> >>read on the tablet while eating, which is something I can't
>> >>do with any physical book -- the tablet lies flat, and I can
>> >>reach out with one hand from time to time to change the
>> >>pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold open
>> >>a paper book 
>> > 
>> > Lay the edge of your plate on it.  Or at a fast food place
>> > the tray. 
>> 
>> Works really well if you like to use food stains as bookmarks.
> 
> Google 'Leather Book Weight', and you'll find a wide variety of
> LBWs, which are designed to hold down the pages. Probably won't
> help with paperbacks. 

I also have opposable thumbs, and like food too much to be prone to 
spilling it. But the plan was to use the plane one is eating off of 
to hold the book open, and that seems, to me, to be a plan fraught 
with peril for both book and food.
> 
> I frequently use my tablet either in a while eating or seated at
> bar (alone, I'm not an asshole), and there, I find I need
> something to prop it up at a convenient angle - a salt shaker or
> a small shot glass does the trick. 

I don't read (on the book reader) too much at home, and I pretty 
much *never* go anywhere without my (prescription) sunglasses. The 
case for the sunglasses makes an excellent tripod to lean the book 
reader against. But on rare occasionas, I've used other impromptu 
objets, too.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#490713

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2018-04-19 20:07 +0000
Message-ID<RF6CC.4897$3R1.2170@fx16.iad>
In reply to#490709
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:01d1de46-9cd6-4451-8a74-dcaee49fd75f@googlegroups.com: 
>
>> On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
>> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: 
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:dj1gdd9d2ghsk5n7kb63qqqn6bbgnppvk1@4ax.com: 
>>> 
>>> > On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu
>>> > (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >>In article
>>> >><052fa716-ae81-4b4c-855a-36a0f7ef6988@googlegroups.com>,
>>> >>Richard Hershberger  <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> >>>Yup.  All the concern about Amazon disappearing your books
>>> >>>and having DRM-stripped backups locked away somewhere is the
>>> >>>literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization
>>> >>>will collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho
>>> >>>will turn out to be a really great idea.  That sure will be
>>> >>>egg on my face!  But I am playing the odds that civilization
>>> >>>probably won't collapse, or if it does it probably won't
>>> >>>collapse in a tidily predictable way, and in the meantime I
>>> >>>am better off living my life.  
>>> >>
>>> >>Hear, hear. I buy books from Amazon. I read them on the
>>> >>Kindle apps on my tablet and phone, and I let Amazon sync
>>> >>between them so that I can move between one and the other. I
>>> >>read on the tablet while eating, which is something I can't
>>> >>do with any physical book -- the tablet lies flat, and I can
>>> >>reach out with one hand from time to time to change the
>>> >>pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold open
>>> >>a paper book 
>>> > 
>>> > Lay the edge of your plate on it.  Or at a fast food place
>>> > the tray. 
>>> 
>>> Works really well if you like to use food stains as bookmarks.
>> 
>> Google 'Leather Book Weight', and you'll find a wide variety of
>> LBWs, which are designed to hold down the pages. Probably won't
>> help with paperbacks. 
>
>I also have opposable thumbs, and like food too much to be prone to 
>spilling it. But the plan was to use the plane one is eating off of 
>to hold the book open, and that seems, to me, to be a plan fraught 
>with peril for both book and food.

I generally use a cookbook holder to hold my paperbacks and
hardbacks at the table.   Plug 'cookbook holder' into amazon
and a plethora of results ensue.

The nook can be propped up with a napkin ring.

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#490720

From"Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com>
Date2018-04-19 21:01 +0000
Message-ID<pbb03n$701$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#490713
Scott Lurndal wrote:

> I generally use a cookbook holder to hold my paperbacks and
> hardbacks at the table.   Plug 'cookbook holder' into amazon
> and a plethora of results ensue.
> 
> The nook can be propped up with a napkin ring.

There are cases that serve as stands. Here's one for iPad:

<https://www.walmart.com/ip/Insten-360-degree-Swivel-Leather-Case-For-Apple-iPad-2-3-4-Black/28866145>

They have them for Kindles and almost any other pad or reader. That
might give you a better angle for reading. I don't read at the table (I
eat while watching TV or computerating so it's not a big deal to me.



Brian

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#490863

FromChris Buckley <alan@sabir.com>
Date2018-04-22 13:57 +0000
Message-ID<slrnpdp5bj.hcs.alan@video.sabir.com>
In reply to#490720
On 2018-04-19, Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> I generally use a cookbook holder to hold my paperbacks and
>> hardbacks at the table.   Plug 'cookbook holder' into amazon
>> and a plethora of results ensue.
>> 
>> The nook can be propped up with a napkin ring.
>
> There are cases that serve as stands. Here's one for iPad:
>
><https://www.walmart.com/ip/Insten-360-degree-Swivel-Leather-Case-For-Apple-iPad-2-3-4-Black/28866145>
>
> They have them for Kindles and almost any other pad or reader. That
> might give you a better angle for reading. I don't read at the table (I
> eat while watching TV or computerating so it's not a big deal to me.

i use an "origami" case for my Kindle Fire that works very well for reading
at the table.  One side of the case folds into a stand.

Mine is something like
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Protective-Cover-Kindle-Voyage/dp/B00I14F19M
though they were much cheaper back when I got mine!

Chris

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#490753

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2018-04-19 21:50 -0600
Message-ID<fjt6cpFi8l1U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#490663
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:23:27 GMT, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David

>> I read on the tablet while eating,
>>which is something I can't do with any physical book -- the tablet 
>>lies flat, and I can reach out with one hand from time to time to
>>change the pages, whereas I have never found a workable way to hold
>>open a paper book 
>
>Lay the edge of your plate on it.  Or at a fast food place the tray.

I miss the old glass ashtrays that restaurants used to have.  For just
that reason.  They were usually square, and would hold the book better
than a round saucer.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#490752

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2018-04-19 21:48 -0600
Message-ID<fjt698Fi8l1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#490528
Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote:

>is the literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization will 
>collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out 
>to be a really great idea.  That sure will be egg on my face!  

Unless you're there at the time, it still might not be enough.  In
Lucifer's Hammer, the Niven analog shows up at his observatory, out in
the middle of nowhere with six months of supplies.  His assistand a
some friends of the assistant won't let him in.  "Well, maybe the
woman can stay."
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#490755

Fromted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date2018-04-20 04:12 +0000
Message-ID<fjt7lqFigc1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#490752
In article <fjt698Fi8l1U1@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss  <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>is the literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization will 
>>collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out 
>>to be a really great idea.  That sure will be egg on my face!  
>
>Unless you're there at the time, it still might not be enough.  In
>Lucifer's Hammer, the Niven analog shows up at his observatory, out in
>the middle of nowhere with six months of supplies.  His assistand a
>some friends of the assistant won't let him in.  "Well, maybe the
>woman can stay."

http://dilbert.com/strip/2011-07-31
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#490761

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 06:43 -0400
Message-ID<2vgjddhroh0dfu3nre787co4lsf4kotka9@4ax.com>
In reply to#490752
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:48:47 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>is the literary equivalent of preppers.  Yes, maybe civilization will 
>>collapse and having a heavily fortified cabin in Idaho will turn out 
>>to be a really great idea.  That sure will be egg on my face!  
>
>Unless you're there at the time, it still might not be enough.  In
>Lucifer's Hammer, the Niven analog shows up at his observatory, out in
>the middle of nowhere with six months of supplies.  His assistand a
>some friends of the assistant won't let him in.  "Well, maybe the
>woman can stay."

I always felt like he wasn't paranoid enough.  If I had the bucks for
something like that I'd build a concealed emergency entrance and
facilities to gas everybody before blowing the entry hole.

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#490543

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 13:12 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8C7865FB335Ataustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#490502
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p7Axo9.zB4@kithrup.com: 

> In article
> <1ae03d6f-d950-404d-95bf-16649d791e71@googlegroups.com>, Robert
> Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: 
>>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 23:45:04 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com>, 
>>> Robert Carnegie  <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: 
>>> >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston 
>>> >wrote: 
>>> >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> >> >> David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney
>>> >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston
>>> >> >>>>> <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>> >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with
>>> >> >>>>>>> bigger 
>>and bigger
>>> >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier
>>> >> >>>>>>> and crappier entertainment, and loss of interest in
>>> >> >>>>>>> reading. 
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*.  There is no loss of interest in
>>> >> >>>>>> reading. 
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now,
>>> >> >>>>> rather 
>>> >than in paper
>>> >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics?  And do you include newspapers
>>> >> >>>> and magazines? 
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still
>>> >> >> prefer 
>>> >print.  Despite
>>> >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked
>>> >> >> back 
>>once I got my
>>> >> >> kindle.  The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic
>>> >> >> books/comic strip collections and reference books.
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly
>>> >> > because Amazon felt like it. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> ...don't synch your Kindle.  That's all it takes.  Even if
>>> >> Amazon had done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make
>>> >> any different at all because I don't synch my Kindle.
>>> >
>>> >Until your Kindle breaks.  Then you can buy another Kindle
>>> >and 
>>> > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess.
>>> 
>>> Is there no way of backing books off the Kindle onto a PC or
>>> something and thence onto a CD or something?
>>
>>They don't want you to do that, but since I only hear about 
>>this, I don't know how difficult they make it.
>>
>>Stop me if I've got this wrong, but I gather that how Amazon
>>sees it is that they deliver books as files onto your Kindle
>>or other reader, and if the Kindle gets broken then you can
>>replace it and they send the same files again - unless they've
>>changed their mind in the meantime about letting you have them.
>>So you'd find - as a conspicuous actual case - that you don't
>>have that George Orwell novel any more where there was a problem
>>over rights.
> 
> Yup, that's the one I heard about.  Mind you, I've read that
> one, don't own a copy, nor do I care to acquire one.

They caught enough hell over it that they vowed it would never 
happen again, and it hasn't.

But it's a good reason to keep backups, which is, as noted, 
trivial.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#490376

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
Message-ID<7eg7ddheaon2geehoumftt9bdsp9nvdq66@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#490371
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:04:21 -0600, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney
>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger
>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier
>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *bullshit*.  There is no loss of interest in reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper
>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have statistics?  And do you include newspapers and magazines?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/
>>>
>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print.  Despite
>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my
>>> kindle.  The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip
>>> collections and reference books.
>> 
>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because
>> Amazon felt like it. 
>
>...don't synch your Kindle.  That's all it takes.  Even if Amazon had 
>done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all 
>because I don't synch my Kindle.

Yes.  And just to be safe, I've backed mine up multiple places.




-- 
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned:  A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml

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#490386

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-04-15 22:16 +0000
Message-ID<p78z87.sKv@kithrup.com>
In reply to#490371
In article <pb0eok$u1d$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney
>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger
>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier
>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *bullshit*.  There is no loss of interest in reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper
>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have statistics?  And do you include newspapers and magazines?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/
>>>
>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print.  Despite
>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my
>>> kindle.  The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip
>>> collections and reference books.
>> 
>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because
>> Amazon felt like it. 
>
>...don't synch your Kindle.  That's all it takes.  Even if Amazon had 
>done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all 
>because I don't synch my Kindle.

Heh.  Since I don't *have* a Kindle -- and if I had, have no idea
how one would "synch" it -- I think I'm safe.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#490399

FromWolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-15 20:12 -0400
Message-ID<0001HW.208421DA03ABF2C770000942D2CF@news.supernews.com>
In reply to#490386
On 15 Apr 2018, Dorothy J Heydt wrote
(in article <p78z87.sKv@kithrup.com>):

> In article<pb0eok$u1d$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > > In article<fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>,
> > > Ted Nolan <tednolan>  <tednolan>  wrote:
> > > > In article<pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>,
> > > > David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > > > > On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney
> > > > > > <daviddelaney@earthlink.net>  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2018-04-15, David Johnston<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger
> > > > > > > > > televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier
> > > > > > > > > entertainment, and loss of interest in reading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in
> > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > books, newspapers, and magazines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/
> > > >
> > > > I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print.
> > > > Despite
> > > > being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got
> > > > my
> > > > kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip
> > > > collections and reference books.
> > >
> > > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because
> > > Amazon felt like it.
> >
> > ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had
> > done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all
> > because I don't synch my Kindle.
>
> Heh. Since I don't *have* a Kindle -- and if I had, have no idea
> how one would "synch" it

don’t let it connect to the internet. Same applies with Kindle software on 
Android or Apple tablets, or on desktops or laptops.
> -- I think I'm safe.

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