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Life on Europa in scifi?

Started by"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com>
First post2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
Last post2018-06-23 17:22 -0400
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  Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-25 13:44 +0000
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:34 -0500
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 01:03 +0000
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0400
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-25 14:44 -0700
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-25 16:04 -0600
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0700
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-26 18:27 +1200
        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-26 08:56 -0600
        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-27 05:32 +0000
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:40 +1200
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 08:04 -0700
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-27 09:48 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:52 -0500
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:02 -0700
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:11 -0400
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 09:22 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:01 -0700
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 11:48 -0700
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:45 -0700
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 13:06 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 09:37 +1200
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:17 -0700
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:12 -0400
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 05:47 +0000
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 07:47 -0700
                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:15 +0000
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 13:11 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-29 09:24 -0600
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:28 -0400
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 00:16 +0000
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-27 18:01 +1000
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 12:32 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-27 20:06 -0600
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:07 -0400
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:26 +1200
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:49 -0400
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-29 04:01 -0500
                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 09:16 -0400
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 05:36 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 09:51 -0400
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 10:59 -0700
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 15:15 -0400
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 13:37 -0700
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:05 -0400
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:28 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:50 -0400
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 18:37 +1200
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-28 01:05 -0600
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 09:25 -0700
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:13 +0000
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-29 11:18 +1000
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 17:04 +1200
                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 23:24 -0700
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 19:20 +1200
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 01:43 -0600
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 10:21 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:11 +0000
                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:57 -0500
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:18 -0400
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-30 15:02 +1200
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 14:19 +1200
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-30 13:21 +1000
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 18:15 +1200
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 23:17 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-01 00:05 +0000
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 15:33 +0000
                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-01 19:00 +0000
                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 20:09 +0000
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 00:28 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 03:37 -0500
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:07 -0600
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 14:53 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 11:46 -0700
                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-30 11:29 -0700
                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:48 -0400
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 11:10 -0700
                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 11:18 -0700
                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:30 -0700
                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-02 18:21 +1200
                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-05-02 12:09 +0000
                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 07:45 -0700
                                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:16 -0400
                                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-02 19:54 -0600
                                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 03:24 +0000
                                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-03 18:22 +1200
                                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:16 -0700
                                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-03 14:47 +0000
                                            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 09:30 -0700
                                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 +1200
                                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-03 15:17 -0600
                                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 14:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-05-04 08:42 +1000
                                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:09 -0500
                                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-03 20:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:05 +1200
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:25 -0700
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-04 22:06 -0500
                                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-04 06:09 +0000
                                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:39 +1200
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-04 15:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 +1200
                                                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 18:56 -0600
                                                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-05-05 16:01 +1200
                                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-05 02:55 -0700
                                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-05 10:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-05 11:46 -0600
                                                        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-05 19:10 -0600
                                                          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-06 19:17 -0500
                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 22:39 -0700
                              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-01 13:29 -0700
                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:32 -0700
                                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-02 13:49 -0700
                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 14:44 -0700
                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:13 -0700
                                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:05 -0400
                                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:06 -0700
                                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:45 -0400
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-01 19:29 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-01 19:50 -0700
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:05 +0000
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-04-28 22:14 +0200
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 12:39 -0400
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 07:19 -0400
        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:38 -0700
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-28 10:40 -0400
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:36 -0700
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-29 06:19 -0400
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:08 -0700
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-30 06:30 -0400
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 15:00 -0700
          Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:28 -0400
            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:35 -0400
        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 10:27 -0400
          Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 14:03 -0400
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:30 -0700
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:00 -0400
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 23:39 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 02:59 -0400
                  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:07 -0700
                    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2018-05-29 07:10 -0400
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-29 14:36 -0700
                      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:11 -0700
              Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:46 -0400
                Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-01 20:07 +0000
                  Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 22:51 -0400
                    Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-02 16:19 +0000
                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:17 -0400
                    Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:38 -0400
                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 01:58 -0700
                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 05:10 -0400
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:01 -0400
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:06 -0700
                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:59 -0400
                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0700
                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:54 -0400
                                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:41 -0700
                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-03 19:36 -0700
                                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:00 -0700
                                    Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-04 07:32 -0700
                                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-06-04 09:13 -0700
                                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:08 -0700
                                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:37 -0400
                                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-05 07:25 -0400
                                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 13:39 -0700
                                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0400
                                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 20:55 -0400
                                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:59 -0700
                                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 06:20 +0000
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:09 -0700
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:00 -0400
                                                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:24 -0700
                                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:50 -0400
                                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:54 -0400
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 18:16 -0700
                                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-06 06:21 +0000
                                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:14 -0700
                                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:08 -0400
                                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-07 16:42 +0000
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 12:26 -0700
                                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:16 -0400
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:13 -0700
                                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:12 -0400
                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-04 15:40 +0000
                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:11 -0700
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-03 10:29 +0000
                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 09:25 -0400
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:21 -0700
                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 18:19 -0400
                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:15 -0700
                                Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:55 -0400
                                  Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:44 -0700
                    Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-17 09:30 -0400
                      Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-17 16:55 -0400
                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 16:59 -0400
                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-17 19:29 -0600
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:01 -0700
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-19 06:58 -0400
                        Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-21 16:34 -0400
                          Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-22 07:30 -0400
                            Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:05 -0400
                              Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-23 17:22 -0400

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#491022 — Life on Europa in scifi?

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com>
Date2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
SubjectLife on Europa in scifi?
Message-ID<pbpoqn$ils$1@dont-email.me>
My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the other 
water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be 
accomplished in a low cost way are described here:

Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html

Low cost Europa lander missions.
https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html

Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing moons 
are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come to grips 
with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that?

Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in 
"2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.

However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the 
discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as 
humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent 
life, how would humans interact with them?

Anyone know of any stories like that?

   Bob Clark

------------------------------------------------------------------
Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago
with the Titan II first stage.
In fact, contrary to popular belief SSTO's are actually easy.
Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time,
and the result will automatically be SSTO.
Blog: Http://Exoscientist.blogspot.com
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#491028

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-04-25 13:44 +0000
Message-ID<p7qu5y.C2@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491022
In article <pbpoqn$ils$1@dont-email.me>,
Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> wrote:
>My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the other 
>water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be 
>accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
>
>Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
>https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html
>
>Low cost Europa lander missions.
>https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
>
>Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing moons 
>are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come to grips 
>with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that?
>
>Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in 
>"2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>
>However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the 
>discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as 
>humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent 
>life, how would humans interact with them?
>
>Anyone know of any stories like that?

You mean, other than _2010_?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491048

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-25 14:34 -0500
Message-ID<pbql89$qvj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#491022
On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the 
> other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be 
> accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
> 
> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html 
> 
> 
> Low cost Europa lander missions.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html 
> 
> 
> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing 
> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come 
> to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that?
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in 
> "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
> 
> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the 
> discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as 
> humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent 
> life, how would humans interact with them?
> 
> Anyone know of any stories like that?

Book number three of a very good five book series:
    https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/

Lynn




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#491078

FromNinapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-26 01:03 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8CFB7BFCC75Etaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491048
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pbql89$qvj$1@dont-email.me: 

> On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
>> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa
>> and the other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some
>> methods it could be accomplished in a low cost way are
>> described here: 
>> 
>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres,
>> page 1. 
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions
>> -from-enceladus.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander
>> -missions.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such
>> water-bearing moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then
>> humanity will have to come to grips with the idea of life on
>> other worlds. How will we deal with that? 
>> 
>> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on
>> Europa in "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>> 
>> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the
>> effect of the discovery on life on Europa in science fiction.
>> Things like, how we as humanity would respond to the discovery?
>> And, if Europa had intelligent life, how would humans interact
>> with them? 
>> 
>> Anyone know of any stories like that?
> 
> Book number three of a very good five book series:
>     https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/
> 
I'm glad somebody mentioned that. I'll add an endorsement.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491079

From"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com>
Date2018-04-25 21:22 -0400
Message-ID<pbr9ke$gl8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#491048
On 4/25/18 3:34 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
>> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the
>> other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could
>> be accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
>>
>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html
>>
>>
>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
>>
>>
>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing
>> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to
>> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal
>> with that?
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in
>> "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>>
>> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of
>> the discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how
>> we as humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had
>> intelligent life, how would humans interact with them?
>>
>> Anyone know of any stories like that?
>
> Book number three of a very good five book series:
>    https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/


	And the "consequences" echo down through the Castaway books.


-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.dreamwidth.org

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#491066

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2018-04-25 14:44 -0700
Message-ID<49813f1e-0974-4c29-a1d3-354dc087fbf6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#491022
Is this cheating?  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter%27s_moons_in_fiction#Europa>

The meaning of life on Europa would differ from life elsewhere
mainly in that you could bring it home to put in an aquarium.
But, as in some stories referred to there, it might be not such 
a good idea.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cachalot_%28novel%29>
isn't on Europa and involves Earth-type transplanted
(humans and) marine life forms...  um: mainly??

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#491067

FromSteve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com>
Date2018-04-25 16:04 -0600
Message-ID<6tudnTd7CejFZn3HnZ2dnUU7-e-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#491022
On 4/25/2018 5:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the 
> other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be 
> accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
> 
> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html 
> 
> 
> Low cost Europa lander missions.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html 
> 
> 
> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing 
> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come 
> to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that?
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in 
> "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
> 
> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the 
> discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as 
> humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent 
> life, how would humans interact with them?
> 
> Anyone know of any stories like that?
> 
>    Bob Clark
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago
> with the Titan II first stage.
> In fact, contrary to popular belief SSTO's are actually easy.
> Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time,
> and the result will automatically be SSTO.
> Blog: Http://Exoscientist.blogspot.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------


Europa Report, not a book but a movie.  Available on Netflix

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#491087

FromWilliam Elliot <marsh@panix.com>
Date2018-04-25 21:22 -0700
Message-ID<Pine.NEB.4.64.1804252116420.3673@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#491022
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote:

> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html
> 
> Low cost Europa lander missions.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
> 
> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing 
> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to 
> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. 

How could that ever be a problem?

> How will we deal with that?

Like everything else we get our hands on - exploit it, ruin it.

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#491090

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-04-26 18:27 +1200
Message-ID<pbrrfj$1toj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#491087
On 2018-04-26 04:22:03 +0000, William Elliot said:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote:
>> 
>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
>> 
>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing
>> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to
>> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds.
> 
> How could that ever be a problem?

The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that 
life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly. We have 
no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some 
cases water is probably poisonness to them.



>> How will we deal with that?
> 
> Like everything else we get our hands on - exploit it, ruin it.

You forgot kill it.  :-(

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#491118

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2018-04-26 08:56 -0600
Message-ID<pbspb2$1kfe$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#491090
On 2018-04-26 12:27 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-04-26 04:22:03 +0000, William Elliot said:
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote:
>>>
>>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
>>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html 
>>>
>>>
>>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html 
>>>
>>>
>>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing
>>> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to
>>> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds.
>>
>> How could that ever be a problem?
> 
> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that 
> life of any sort /must/ have water,

False.  They know that water based life exists.  They do not know that 
any other kind of life exists so it's reasonable to consider liquid 
water to be a positive indicator that life is possible.  That does not 
mean that they rule out the possibility of other bases for life.  But 
they have no idea how to look for it.

The real problem is the conflation of "life is possible" with "life is 
likely".

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#491145

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2018-04-27 05:32 +0000
Message-ID<pbucl6$2ar$1@newsreader5.netcologne.de>
In reply to#491090
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:

> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that 
> life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly.

Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex
molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy,
it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for
condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...

> We have 
> no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some 
> cases water is probably poisonness to them.

We know organic chemistry pretty well.

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#491147

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2018-04-27 18:40 +1200
Message-ID<pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#491145
On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>> 
>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that
>> life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly.
> 
> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex
> molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy,
> it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for
> condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...

All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are almost 
certainly completely different.



>> We have no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some
>> cases water is probably poisonness to them.
> 
> We know organic chemistry pretty well.

We may know *Earth-based* organic chemistry "pretty well" ... we know 
absolutely nothing about extraterrestrial organic chemistry. There are 
very likely alien lifeforms that find water poisoness while happily 
sipping away on a Sulphric-acid Cola and breathing arsenic gas.

Blinkering themselves to what they *THINK* they already know is what 
too many scientists (and too many people in general) do well. They 
can't accept that something might be different and not what they know, 
and that hamstrings them from making some discoveries.

Scientists used to think nothing could live near "toxic" volcanic tubes 
... yet they did discover life there when they bothered to look. Same 
with deep caves, frozen land, deserts, etc., etc. Scientists used to 
believe the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it ... until 
someone decided to actually think otherwise and check into it.

Real science is about discovery, not blindly thinking you already know 
it all and using tunnel vision to look at things.

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#491155

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-27 08:04 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491147
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: 

> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>> 
>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>> moronically silly. 
>> 
>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low
>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows
>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
> 
> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are
> almost certainly completely different.

I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no 
matter what planet you're on.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491160

FromRobert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com>
Date2018-04-27 09:48 -0700
Message-ID<robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net>
In reply to#491155
In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
 Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: 
> 
> > On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
> >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
> >>> 
> >>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
> >>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
> >>> moronically silly. 
> >> 
> >> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
> >> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low
> >> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows
> >> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
> >> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
> > 
> > All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are
> > almost certainly completely different.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no 
> matter what planet you're on.

The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will 
be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and 
density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would 
suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) 
could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide.

-- 
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
‹-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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#491162

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-27 12:52 -0500
Message-ID<pbvo10$7qi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#491160
On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>   Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>
>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low
>>>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows
>>>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
>>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>>>
>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are
>>> almost certainly completely different.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no
>> matter what planet you're on.
> 
> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will
> be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and
> density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would
> suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass)
> could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide.

That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more of the 
Earth's atmospheric pressure.

Lynn


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#491165

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-27 11:02 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D17057FF9B2taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491162
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pbvo10$7qi$1@dont-email.me: 

> On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>   Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>   wrote: 
>> 
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups,
>>>>> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>>>>
>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>>>> are almost certainly completely different.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>> 
>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
>> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
>> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and
>> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid
>> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon
>> dioxide. 
> 
> That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more
> of the Earth's atmospheric pressure.
> 
Which may or may not accompany a higher planetary mass.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491188

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-27 22:11 -0400
Message-ID<5sl7edpcg6isc677ur4d25i20q8d1avops@4ax.com>
In reply to#491162
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:52:29 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>   Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low
>>>>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows
>>>>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
>>>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>>>>
>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are
>>>> almost certainly completely different.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no
>>> matter what planet you're on.
>> 
>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will
>> be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and
>> density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would
>> suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass)
>> could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide.
>
>That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more of the 
>Earth's atmospheric pressure.

Shouldn't be hard to achieve on a solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass.
Venus manages 90x Earth's atmospheric pressure with the same mass as
Earth.

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#491350

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-30 09:22 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D45F571EBF1taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491188
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5sl7edpcg6isc677ur4d25i20q8d1avops@4ax.com: 

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:52:29 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>>   Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>>   wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>>>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>>>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving
>>>>>> groups, it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves
>>>>>> salts... 
>>>>>
>>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>>>>> are almost certainly completely different.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>>>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>>> 
>>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
>>> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
>>> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure
>>> and temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e.,
>>> solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid
>>> carbon dioxide. 
>>
>>That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more
>>of the Earth's atmospheric pressure.
> 
> Shouldn't be hard to achieve on a solid body 6-10 times Earth's
> mass. Venus manages 90x Earth's atmospheric pressure with the
> same mass as Earth.
> 
Which is to say, the amount of atmosphere present isn't necessarily 
connected to the mass of the planet. In either direction.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491164

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-27 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D17035EE73Etaustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491160
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net: 

> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>  Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: 
>> 
>> > On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>> >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>> >>> 
>> >>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>> >>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>> >>> moronically silly. 
>> >> 
>> >> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>> >> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>> >> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>> >> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups,
>> >> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>> > 
>> > All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>> > are almost certainly completely different.
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>> same no matter what planet you're on.
> 
> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and
> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid
> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon
> dioxide. 
> 
Pressure and temperature may allow that. Why on earth you think the 
planet's mass would is beyond me.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491168

FromDimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Date2018-04-27 11:48 -0700
Message-ID<pbvraf$vqb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#491164
On 4/27/2018 11:01 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
> news:robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net:
> 
>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>   Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups,
>>>>> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>>>>
>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>>>> are almost certainly completely different.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>>
>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
>> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
>> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and
>> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid
>> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon
>> dioxide.
>>
> Pressure and temperature may allow that. Why on earth you think the
> planet's mass would is beyond me.
> 
I suspect that a larger, denser planet would have a higher surface 
gravity which would help increase atmospheric density and therefore 
pressure.

-- 
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation 
instinct are running screaming.

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