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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-06-23 17:22 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 206 — 39 participants |
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Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-25 13:44 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:34 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 01:03 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-25 14:44 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-26 18:27 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-26 08:56 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-27 05:32 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:40 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 08:04 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-27 09:48 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:52 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:02 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:11 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 09:22 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:01 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 11:48 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:45 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 13:06 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 09:37 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:17 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:12 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 05:47 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 07:47 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:15 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-28 13:11 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-29 09:24 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:28 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 00:16 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-27 18:01 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 12:32 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-27 20:06 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:07 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:26 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:49 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-29 04:01 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 09:16 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 05:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 09:51 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 10:59 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 15:15 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:05 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:28 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:50 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 18:37 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-28 01:05 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 09:25 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:13 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-29 11:18 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 17:04 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 23:24 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 19:20 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 01:43 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 10:21 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:57 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:18 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-30 15:02 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 14:19 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-30 13:21 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 18:15 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 23:17 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-01 00:05 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 15:33 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-01 19:00 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 20:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 00:28 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-30 03:37 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 10:07 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-30 14:53 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 11:46 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-30 11:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:48 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 11:10 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 11:18 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-02 18:21 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-05-02 12:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 07:45 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:16 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-02 19:54 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 03:24 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-03 18:22 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:16 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-03 14:47 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 09:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-03 15:17 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 14:52 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-05-04 08:42 +1000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:09 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-03 20:49 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:05 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:25 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-04 22:06 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-04 06:09 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:39 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-04 15:21 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 18:56 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-05-05 16:01 +1200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-05 02:55 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-05-05 10:14 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-05 11:46 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-05 19:10 -0600
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-06 19:17 -0500
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 22:39 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-01 13:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:32 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-02 13:49 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 14:44 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:13 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:05 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 06:06 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 19:45 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-01 19:29 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-01 19:50 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:05 +0000
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-04-28 22:14 +0200
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 12:39 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 07:19 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:38 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-28 10:40 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-29 06:19 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:08 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-05-30 06:30 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 15:00 -0700
Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:28 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:35 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 10:27 -0400
Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-28 14:03 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 11:30 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:00 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 23:39 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 02:59 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:07 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2018-05-29 07:10 -0400
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-29 14:36 -0700
Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:11 -0700
Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-05-30 01:46 -0400
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-01 20:07 +0000
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 22:51 -0400
Re: Once into the breach: SSTO's (was more Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:17 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 04:38 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 01:58 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 05:10 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:01 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:06 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:59 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:54 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:41 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-03 19:36 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:00 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-04 07:32 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-06-04 09:13 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:08 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:37 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-05 07:25 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 13:39 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 20:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:59 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 06:20 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:09 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:09 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:00 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:24 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 06:50 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:54 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 18:16 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-06 06:21 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:14 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-06 07:08 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-07 16:42 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 12:26 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:16 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 20:13 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:12 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-04 15:40 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 16:11 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-03 10:29 +0000
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 09:25 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 14:21 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 18:19 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:15 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 19:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:44 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-17 09:30 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-17 16:55 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 16:59 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-17 19:29 -0600
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:01 -0700
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-19 06:58 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-21 16:34 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-22 07:30 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:05 -0400
Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (was Re: Life on Europa in scifi?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-23 17:22 -0400
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| From | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Life on Europa in scifi? |
| Message-ID | <pbpoqn$ils$1@dont-email.me> |
My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be accomplished in a low cost way are described here: Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html Low cost Europa lander missions. https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that? Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also. However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent life, how would humans interact with them? Anyone know of any stories like that? Bob Clark ------------------------------------------------------------------ Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago with the Titan II first stage. In fact, contrary to popular belief SSTO's are actually easy. Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, and the result will automatically be SSTO. Blog: Http://Exoscientist.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 13:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7qu5y.C2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #491022 |
In article <pbpoqn$ils$1@dont-email.me>, Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> wrote: >My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the other >water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be >accomplished in a low cost way are described here: > >Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. >https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html > >Low cost Europa lander missions. >https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html > >Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing moons >are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come to grips >with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that? > >Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in >"2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also. > >However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the >discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as >humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent >life, how would humans interact with them? > >Anyone know of any stories like that? You mean, other than _2010_? -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 14:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pbql89$qvj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491022 |
On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the
> other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be
> accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
>
> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html
>
>
> Low cost Europa lander missions.
> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
>
>
> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing
> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come
> to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that?
>
> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in
> "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>
> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the
> discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as
> humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent
> life, how would humans interact with them?
>
> Anyone know of any stories like that?
Book number three of a very good five book series:
https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/
Lynn
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| From | Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-26 01:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8CFB7BFCC75Etaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #491048 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pbql89$qvj$1@dont-email.me:
> On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
>> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa
>> and the other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some
>> methods it could be accomplished in a low cost way are
>> described here:
>>
>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres,
>> page 1.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions
>> -from-enceladus.html
>>
>>
>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander
>> -missions.html
>>
>>
>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such
>> water-bearing moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then
>> humanity will have to come to grips with the idea of life on
>> other worlds. How will we deal with that?
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on
>> Europa in "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>>
>> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the
>> effect of the discovery on life on Europa in science fiction.
>> Things like, how we as humanity would respond to the discovery?
>> And, if Europa had intelligent life, how would humans interact
>> with them?
>>
>> Anyone know of any stories like that?
>
> Book number three of a very good five book series:
> https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/
>
I'm glad somebody mentioned that. I'll add an endorsement.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-25 21:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pbr9ke$gl8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491048 |
On 4/25/18 3:34 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/25/2018 6:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
>> My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the
>> other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could
>> be accomplished in a low cost way are described here:
>>
>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html
>>
>>
>> Low cost Europa lander missions.
>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html
>>
>>
>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing
>> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to
>> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal
>> with that?
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in
>> "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also.
>>
>> However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of
>> the discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how
>> we as humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had
>> intelligent life, how would humans interact with them?
>>
>> Anyone know of any stories like that?
>
> Book number three of a very good five book series:
> https://www.amazon.com/Portal-Eric-Flint/dp/1476736421/
And the "consequences" echo down through the Castaway books.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.dreamwidth.org
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 14:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <49813f1e-0974-4c29-a1d3-354dc087fbf6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #491022 |
Is this cheating? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter%27s_moons_in_fiction#Europa> The meaning of life on Europa would differ from life elsewhere mainly in that you could bring it home to put in an aquarium. But, as in some stories referred to there, it might be not such a good idea. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cachalot_%28novel%29> isn't on Europa and involves Earth-type transplanted (humans and) marine life forms... um: mainly??
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| From | Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 16:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <6tudnTd7CejFZn3HnZ2dnUU7-e-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #491022 |
On 4/25/2018 5:29 AM, Robert Clark wrote: > My opinion is we will soon launch missions to land on Europa and the > other water-bearing moons of the Solar System. Some methods it could be > accomplished in a low cost way are described here: > > Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. > https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html > > > Low cost Europa lander missions. > https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html > > > Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing > moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to come > to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How will we deal with that? > > Arthur C. Clarke famously discussed the discovery of life on Europa in > "2010". And the recent film "Europa Report" did also. > > However, I'm looking for more in depth examinations of the effect of the > discovery on life on Europa in science fiction. Things like, how we as > humanity would respond to the discovery? And, if Europa had intelligent > life, how would humans interact with them? > > Anyone know of any stories like that? > > Bob Clark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Single-stage-to-orbit was already shown possible 50 years ago > with the Titan II first stage. > In fact, contrary to popular belief SSTO's are actually easy. > Just use the most efficient engines and stages at the same time, > and the result will automatically be SSTO. > Blog: Http://Exoscientist.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Europa Report, not a book but a movie. Available on Netflix
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| From | William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-25 21:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <Pine.NEB.4.64.1804252116420.3673@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #491022 |
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote: > Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. > https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html > > Low cost Europa lander missions. > https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html > > Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing > moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to > come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. How could that ever be a problem? > How will we deal with that? Like everything else we get our hands on - exploit it, ruin it.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-26 18:27 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pbrrfj$1toj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491087 |
On 2018-04-26 04:22:03 +0000, William Elliot said: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote: >> >> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. >> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html >> >> >> Low cost Europa lander missions. >> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html >> >> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing >> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to >> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. > > How could that ever be a problem? The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly. We have no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some cases water is probably poisonness to them. >> How will we deal with that? > > Like everything else we get our hands on - exploit it, ruin it. You forgot kill it. :-(
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-26 08:56 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pbspb2$1kfe$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491090 |
On 2018-04-26 12:27 AM, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-04-26 04:22:03 +0000, William Elliot said: >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Robert Clark wrote: >>> >>> Sample Return Missions from Enceladus, Europa, Titan, Ceres, page 1. >>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2014/04/sample-return-missions-from-enceladus.html >>> >>> >>> Low cost Europa lander missions. >>> https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2015/02/low-cost-europa-lander-missions.html >>> >>> >>> Scientists are increasingly coming to the opinion such water-bearing >>> moons are likely to harbor life. If so, then humanity will have to >>> come to grips with the idea of life on other worlds. >> >> How could that ever be a problem? > > The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that > life of any sort /must/ have water, False. They know that water based life exists. They do not know that any other kind of life exists so it's reasonable to consider liquid water to be a positive indicator that life is possible. That does not mean that they rule out the possibility of other bases for life. But they have no idea how to look for it. The real problem is the conflation of "life is possible" with "life is likely".
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 05:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pbucl6$2ar$1@newsreader5.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #491090 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: > The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that > life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly. Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... > We have > no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some > cases water is probably poisonness to them. We know organic chemistry pretty well.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-27 18:40 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #491145 |
On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: >> >> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that >> life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly. > > Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex > molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy, > it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for > condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has > very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are almost certainly completely different. >> We have no idea what other, non-Earth, living may or may not need. In some >> cases water is probably poisonness to them. > > We know organic chemistry pretty well. We may know *Earth-based* organic chemistry "pretty well" ... we know absolutely nothing about extraterrestrial organic chemistry. There are very likely alien lifeforms that find water poisoness while happily sipping away on a Sulphric-acid Cola and breathing arsenic gas. Blinkering themselves to what they *THINK* they already know is what too many scientists (and too many people in general) do well. They can't accept that something might be different and not what they know, and that hamstrings them from making some discoveries. Scientists used to think nothing could live near "toxic" volcanic tubes ... yet they did discover life there when they bothered to look. Same with deep caves, frozen land, deserts, etc., etc. Scientists used to believe the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it ... until someone decided to actually think otherwise and check into it. Real science is about discovery, not blindly thinking you already know it all and using tunnel vision to look at things.
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 08:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491147 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>
>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>> moronically silly.
>>
>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low
>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows
>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>
> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are
> almost certainly completely different.
I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no
matter what planet you're on.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 09:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #491155 |
In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in > news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: > > > On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said: > >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: > >>> > >>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the > >>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is > >>> moronically silly. > >> > >> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for > >> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low > >> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows > >> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has > >> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... > > > > All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are > > almost certainly completely different. > > I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no > matter what planet you're on. The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide. -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 12:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pbvo10$7qi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491160 |
On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: > In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>, > Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in >> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said: >>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: >>>>> >>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the >>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is >>>>> moronically silly. >>>> >>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for >>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low >>>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows >>>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has >>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... >>> >>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are >>> almost certainly completely different. >> >> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no >> matter what planet you're on. > > The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will > be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and > density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would > suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) > could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide. That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more of the Earth's atmospheric pressure. Lynn
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 11:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D17057FF9B2taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491162 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pbvo10$7qi$1@dont-email.me:
> On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups,
>>>>> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>>>>
>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>>>> are almost certainly completely different.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>>
>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
>> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
>> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and
>> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid
>> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon
>> dioxide.
>
> That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more
> of the Earth's atmospheric pressure.
>
Which may or may not accompany a higher planetary mass.
--
Terry Austin
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-- David Bilek
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-27 22:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5sl7edpcg6isc677ur4d25i20q8d1avops@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #491162 |
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:52:29 -0500, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: >> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>, >> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in >>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>> >>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said: >>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the >>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is >>>>>> moronically silly. >>>>> >>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for >>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low >>>>> energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows >>>>> for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has >>>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... >>>> >>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are >>>> almost certainly completely different. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the same no >>> matter what planet you're on. >> >> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything else) will >> be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., the state and >> density) could vary depending on air pressure and temperature. I would >> suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) >> could have lakes of liquid carbon dioxide. > >That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more of the >Earth's atmospheric pressure. Shouldn't be hard to achieve on a solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass. Venus manages 90x Earth's atmospheric pressure with the same mass as Earth.
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-30 09:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D45F571EBF1taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491188 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5sl7edpcg6isc677ur4d25i20q8d1avops@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:52:29 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/27/2018 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>>>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>>>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>>>>>>> moronically silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>>>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>>>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>>>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving
>>>>>> groups, it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves
>>>>>> salts...
>>>>>
>>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>>>>> are almost certainly completely different.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>>>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>>>
>>> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
>>> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
>>> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure
>>> and temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e.,
>>> solid body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid
>>> carbon dioxide.
>>
>>That would require an extremely dense atmosphere of 6X or more
>>of the Earth's atmospheric pressure.
>
> Shouldn't be hard to achieve on a solid body 6-10 times Earth's
> mass. Venus manages 90x Earth's atmospheric pressure with the
> same mass as Earth.
>
Which is to say, the amount of atmosphere present isn't necessarily
connected to the mass of the planet. In either direction.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-27 11:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8D17035EE73Etaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #491160 |
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net:
> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>> > On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
>> >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
>> >>>
>> >>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the
>> >>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is
>> >>> moronically silly.
>> >>
>> >> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for
>> >> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such
>> >> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it
>> >> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups,
>> >> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
>> >
>> > All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms
>> > are almost certainly completely different.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the
>> same no matter what planet you're on.
>
> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything
> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g.,
> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and
> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid
> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon
> dioxide.
>
Pressure and temperature may allow that. Why on earth you think the
planet's mass would is beyond me.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-27 11:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pbvraf$vqb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #491164 |
On 4/27/2018 11:01 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: > Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in > news:robertaw-76F4D5.09482327042018@news.individual.net: > >> In article <XnsA8D152287E68taustingmail@69.16.179.43>, >> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in >>> news:pbugk7$4m8$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>> >>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said: >>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the >>>>>> belief that life of any sort /must/ have water, which is >>>>>> moronically silly. >>>>> >>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for >>>>> complex molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such >>>>> low energy, it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it >>>>> allows for condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, >>>>> it has very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts... >>>> >>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms >>>> are almost certainly completely different. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of water will be the >>> same no matter what planet you're on. >> >> The chemical properties of carbon compounds (and everything >> else) will be the same as well. The physical properties (e.g., >> the state and density) could vary depending on air pressure and >> temperature. I would suspect that a "heavy" Earth (i.e., solid >> body 6-10 times Earth's mass) could have lakes of liquid carbon >> dioxide. >> > Pressure and temperature may allow that. Why on earth you think the > planet's mass would is beyond me. > I suspect that a larger, denser planet would have a higher surface gravity which would help increase atmospheric density and therefore pressure. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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