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| Started by | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-15 09:19 -0600 |
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Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:19 -0600
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 16:35 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 15:36 -0600
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:39 -0400
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 21:43 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:33 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-15 21:43 -0700
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-04-16 08:07 -0500
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:26 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-16 14:47 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:59 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 22:29 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 23:42 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-17 14:07 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-17 16:07 +0000
Re: Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 15:13 +0000
| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 09:19 -0600 |
| Subject | Thirteen O'Clock by Cyril Kornbluth |
| Message-ID | <pavqhd$1qtn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
This short story is a combination of the Wizard of Oz and Heinlein's Magic Incorporated, a brief look at a world built on the "Sufficiently reliable magic is indistinguishable from technology." lines. Flying carpets instead of cars, skyscrapers, chemical factories producing magic potions and what have you. And like Magic Incorporated organized crime has moved in, although unlike Magic Incorporate organized crime won. And unlike Thirteen O'Clock. Magic Incorporated didn't suck so hard it could be used to remove chrome from bumpers. Seriously Thirteen O'Clock is awful from the moment the protagonist decides he loves the "witch" he meets based on a minute's acquaintance to the ending where he mutilates her because no self-respecting man can tolerate his wife being more dangerous than he is. He cuts off her finger to remove her power to blast things and they live happily ever after having left the crapsack magical world not one iota better than when he arrived. Spare me.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 16:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78JEr.226D@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490331 |
In article <pavqhd$1qtn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >This short story is a combination of the Wizard of Oz and Heinlein's >Magic Incorporated, a brief look at a world built on the "Sufficiently >reliable magic is indistinguishable from technology." lines. Flying >carpets instead of cars, skyscrapers, chemical factories producing magic >potions and what have you. And like Magic Incorporated organized crime >has moved in, although unlike Magic Incorporate organized crime won. >And unlike Thirteen O'Clock. Magic Incorporated didn't suck so hard it >could be used to remove chrome from bumpers. Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > >Seriously Thirteen O'Clock is awful from the moment the protagonist >decides he loves the "witch" he meets based on a minute's acquaintance >to the ending where he mutilates her because no self-respecting man can >tolerate his wife being more dangerous than he is. He cuts off her >finger to remove her power to blast things and they live happily ever >after having left the crapsack magical world not one iota better than >when he arrived. Spare me. Yes, it sounds awful. But it was published in 1954 and Kornbluth died in 1958. As was said in another context, the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. I lived through the fifties, and the assumptions about (inter alia) gender roles were extremely different. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 20:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpd7ef5.rml.carlf@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #490341 |
On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. -- Carl Fink nitpicking@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct!
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 15:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fjhuulF2bv1U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490366 |
Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > >> Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > >I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a >forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. I posted a complaint about the ending of book two of Grand Central Arena here in a forum attended by Ryk E Spoor. He responded with curiosity, and a conversation back and forth for a bit left him astonished that a "rivets" reader would even be comfortable reading GCA. "Why would you feel that way" is a lot better at keeping fans impressed than "you jerk". -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 17:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.2083FE2403A3940870000942D2CF@news.supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #490366 |
On 15 Apr 2018, Carl Fink wrote (in article <slrnpd7ef5.rml.carlf@panix2.panix.com>): > On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > > > Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? > > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with > > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of > > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > > I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a > forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. I quite liked it. Especially things like David Fisher’s go-to guy for warrants, ‘Maximum’ Ruhollah.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 21:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjhvcuF2ep2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490381 |
In article <0001HW.2083FE2403A3940870000942D2CF@news.supernews.com>, Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> wrote: >On 15 Apr 2018, Carl Fink wrote >(in article <slrnpd7ef5.rml.carlf@panix2.panix.com>): > >> On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> >> > Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >> > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >> > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >> > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >> >> I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a >> forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. > >I quite liked it. Especially things like David Fisher’s go-to guy for >warrants, ‘Maximum’ Ruhollah. > I thought it was fun, though slight. And I wouldn't say the world was just-like-ours. There were some groaner puns: Virtuous Reality forex. Of course we know puns are the only "real" type of human humor. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 22:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78zzG.u0u@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490381 |
In article <0001HW.2083FE2403A3940870000942D2CF@news.supernews.com>, Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> wrote: >On 15 Apr 2018, Carl Fink wrote >(in article <slrnpd7ef5.rml.carlf@panix2.panix.com>): > >> On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> >> > Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >> > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >> > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >> > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >> >> I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a >> forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. > >I quite liked it. Especially things like David Fisher’s go-to guy for >warrants, ‘Maximum’ Ruhollah. Especially all the place names translated out of Spanish. Such as "the The Second freeway." (Explanation: in Los Angeles and perhaps elsewhere in Southern California (I don't live there so I'm not sure), drivers refer to freeways using the definite article. (E.g., Interstate Highway 5, which runs up and down the West Coast from the US/Canadian border to the US/Mexican border, is called "I-5" in the northern part of California. In the south, it's called "the Five." So Turtledove's protagonist is driving down a freeway which he calles "the The Second," and wonders why the extra "the". In OTL it's "the El Segundo.") -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 21:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <robertaw-CB2224.21434815042018@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490381 |
In article <0001HW.2083FE2403A3940870000942D2CF@news.supernews.com>, Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 Apr 2018, Carl Fink wrote > (in article <slrnpd7ef5.rml.carlf@panix2.panix.com>): > > > On 2018-04-15, Dorothy J Heydt<djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > > > > > Have you read Turtledove's _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? > > > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with > > > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of > > > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > > > > I read it and found it astonishingly bad. I inadvertently posted that in a > > forum (GEnie's SFRT) that Mr. Turtledove read, offending him. Whoops. > > I quite liked it. Especially things like David Fisher’s go-to guy for > warrants, ‘Maximum’ Ruhollah. I noticed him as well; I can see why some people would consider that to be excessively cute and toss the book. -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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| From | Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 08:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pb275s$4d3$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490341 |
On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? > It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with > skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of > Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been able to read. And I have reread it several times. Bill
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 13:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7A5BM.1CCL@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490442 |
In article <pb275s$4d3$2@dont-email.me>, Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > >I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >able to read. And I have reread it several times. I'll also suggest the "fixup novel" _Earthgrip,_ which is a collection of two stories and a novella. The protagonist is an academic who's signed aboard a trading ship to flesh out her resume. In the first story she solves a problem by having read Heinlein. In the second, she solves another by having read Sherlock Holmes. But in the novella, she solves a much serious problem by being familiar with *the concept of science fiction* as an aid to creative thinking. Worth a read; I even reread it occasionally. He also has a novella "Down in the Bottomlands" which was published bundled with de Camp's "The Wheels of If." Thesis: the Mediterranean basin hasn't filled up recently and both Neanderthals (or something looking very like them) and modern humans are living around the basin and have atomic weapons.... And that's all the Turtledove I can recommend, bar a couple of short stories such as "The Road Not Taken." -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 14:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490442 |
Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: > On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. > > I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been > able to read. And I have reread it several times. I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" hit for me. Tony
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7At30.q3n@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490452 |
In article <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me>, Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >> On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >>> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >>> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >>> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >> >> I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >> able to read. And I have reread it several times. > >I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history >person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . >It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine >secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. >Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and >the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" >hit for me. I have read only one bit of that alt-hist, a short story whose title I can't remember ... but it featured Turtledove's major POD, a fantatical Christian monk named Mohammed. :) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjkmehFkvpiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490489 |
In article <p7At30.q3n@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me>, >Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >>Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >>> On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >>>> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >>>> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >>>> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >>> >>> I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >>> able to read. And I have reread it several times. >> >>I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history >>person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . >>It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine >>secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. >>Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and >>the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" >>hit for me. > >I have read only one bit of that alt-hist, a short story whose >title I can't remember ... but it featured Turtledove's major >POD, a fantatical Christian monk named Mohammed. :) > Almost every story mentioned that as it was the divergence point. Also, probably why they don't get reprinted.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 23:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7Axu7.znw@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490491 |
In article <fjkmehFkvpiU1@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >In article <p7At30.q3n@kithrup.com>, >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me>, >>Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >>>Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >>>> On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >>>>> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >>>>> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >>>>> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >>>> >>>> I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >>>> able to read. And I have reread it several times. >>> >>>I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history >>>person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . >>>It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine >>>secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. >>>Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and >>>the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" >>>hit for me. >> >>I have read only one bit of that alt-hist, a short story whose >>title I can't remember ... but it featured Turtledove's major >>POD, a fantatical Christian monk named Mohammed. :) >> > >Almost every story mentioned that as it was the divergence point. So I've been told. (Note, I do know that's the POD.) But I've never encountered any of the other stories. >Also, probably why they don't get reprinted.. Which is probably why I've never encountered them. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 14:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pb4v3j$mjo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490491 |
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote: > In article <p7At30.q3n@kithrup.com>, > Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me>, >>Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >>>Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >>>> On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >>>>> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >>>>> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >>>>> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >>>> >>>> I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >>>> able to read. And I have reread it several times. >>> >>>I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history >>>person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . >>>It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine >>>secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. >>>Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and >>>the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" >>>hit for me. >> >>I have read only one bit of that alt-hist, a short story whose >>title I can't remember ... but it featured Turtledove's major >>POD, a fantatical Christian monk named Mohammed. :) >> > > Almost every story mentioned that as it was the divergence point. > > Also, probably why they don't get reprinted.. I don't know about the individual stories, but according to isfdb, there are e-book releases of the AoB fix-up/collection from 2013 (Gateway/Orion) and 2015 (Open Road Integrated Media), and a paper version (perhaps trade paperback) that is slated for release in May of 2018, also by Open Road Integrated Media. Tony
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 16:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjmkeeF3ojmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490524 |
In article <pb4v3j$mjo$1@dont-email.me>, Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote: >> In article <p7At30.q3n@kithrup.com>, >> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>>In article <pb2d2s$9vu$1@dont-email.me>, >>>Anthony Nance <nance@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >>>>Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >>>>> On 4/15/2018 11:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>>> Have you read Turtledove's_The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump_? >>>>>> It's alternate-world-just-like-ours-except-with-magic done with >>>>>> skill and a laudable attention to detail. There's a whole lot of >>>>>> Turtledove I can't/won't read, but this is an exception. >>>>> >>>>> I fully agree. Spell Dump is the only Turtledove I have been >>>>> able to read. And I have reread it several times. >>>> >>>>I very much enjoyed Spell Dump. I'm not a big alternate history >>>>person, but let me also suggest Turtledove's _Agent of Byzantium_ . >>>>It's basically a fix-up of short stories that feature Byzantine >>>>secret agent Basil Argyros, set in an alternate 14th Century. >>>>Argyros is sent across the empire to solve various problems, and >>>>the stories hit some (some!) of the same notes that "Lest Darkness Fall" >>>>hit for me. >>> >>>I have read only one bit of that alt-hist, a short story whose >>>title I can't remember ... but it featured Turtledove's major >>>POD, a fantatical Christian monk named Mohammed. :) >>> >> >> Almost every story mentioned that as it was the divergence point. >> >> Also, probably why they don't get reprinted.. > >I don't know about the individual stories, but according to isfdb, >there are e-book releases of the AoB fix-up/collection from 2013 >(Gateway/Orion) and 2015 (Open Road Integrated Media), and a paper >version (perhaps trade paperback) that is slated for release in >May of 2018, also by Open Road Integrated Media. > Hmm. OK, I guess I didn't see the eboos because I wasn't looking for them. Brave man. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 15:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180416a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #490331 |
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This short story is a combination of the Wizard of Oz and Heinlein's
> Magic Incorporated, a brief look at a world built on the "Sufficiently
> reliable magic is indistinguishable from technology." lines. Flying
> carpets instead of cars, skyscrapers, chemical factories producing magic
> potions and what have you. And like Magic Incorporated organized crime
> has moved in, although unlike Magic Incorporate organized crime won.
> And unlike Thirteen O'Clock. Magic Incorporated didn't suck so hard it
> could be used to remove chrome from bumpers.
>
> Seriously Thirteen O'Clock is awful from the moment the protagonist
> decides he loves the "witch" he meets based on a minute's acquaintance
> to the ending where he mutilates her because no self-respecting man can
> tolerate his wife being more dangerous than he is. He cuts off her
> finger to remove her power to blast things and they live happily ever
> after having left the crapsack magical world not one iota better than
> when he arrived. Spare me.
Crapsack infrastructure made of half-stuff that vanishes if the bums
ever get voted out of office. That sounds about right. Strive to make
the majority of voters dependent upon the status-quo.
And a winner-take-all wrestling bout near the end. Shades of
_Dune_!
Thank you,
--
Don
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